Guest guest Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 kleem namah narasimhaaya Dear Sundeep, Namaskar On Ck level 1) maranakarakasthana and 2) pachakadi sambandha are most important. It refers to motivation and soul level sambandha which is connected to our inspirations, desires. AK with AmK is rajasambandha yoga per Parasara Maharishi - this gives karma yogis which are fully dedicated to mission (similar with charakaraka replacement). Of course AK/PK in 2/12 doesnt bode well for relation with children but there are more points to check. Regards, Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal Maja Strbac pisze: Om Gurave Namah Namaste dear Sundeep, (And hello again I think that in case when AK and PK 2/12 is not really 100% attitude issue of "giving up". What AK represents for native, same is PK for native's children. So, soul level and important experiences regarding purification and spirituality are very different between native and children (I think it refers to all children) which can bring lack of understanding. Of course, AK can also describe huge portion of someone's character. Attitude and life direction is more matter of arudhas, so in that case it seems that we should observe relation between AL and A5. These are just thoughts. (I could be wrong too. I did not listen to that lecture) Regards, Maja Hari Om Tat Sat sohamsa , "vedicastrostudent" <vedicastrostudent wrote: > > Dear members and Gurus, > > Again a probably simple question. After listening to one of > Vistiji's lectures, I got the impression (possibly wrong, I just > cant spend as much time on astrology as I want to, so please excuse > me if I wrongly absorb something) that by seeing the relationship of > the AK to the other charakarakas in the Rasi chart, you see the real > attitude towards whatever is signified by the charakaraka. I am > confused as to what this "real attitude" means. For example, if a > mother's AK and PK are in 2-12 relationship e.g. PK in 12th from AK, > surely it doesnt mean that the mother's conscious attitude toward > her children is of "giving up"? Because that doesnt seem to be the > case. Or does it mean that that is the Atma's attitude and since the > Atma is deeper than the conscious mind, it might instead create > situations in which the children are forced to be given up? So my > real question is - how exactly, or at what level of experience, do > you interpret charakarakas position relative to each other? If AK > and AmK are together, how exactly does it create Rajayoga? To make > the CK principle clearer, could you contrast it with, for example, > 10L in the 1st house, and also with 10L with the Moon. > > Thank you very much, > > Sundeep > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 kleem namah narasimhaaya Dear Sundeep, Namaskar CK's are more to desire, Arudhas more to circumstance. It becomes more clear when you will learn about yogas having argala on L (take), AL (form), AK (desire). It relates also to three types of shakti. So we should see where the A5/A9 (depending on oddity of Lagna) lord is placed from Atmakaraka. We should also see 5L/9L, PK and Ju from AK (focusing on mks/pachakadi) and then AK,LL from PK (also same 2 sambandhas). Lagna yogas shows circumstance/action, AL shows how/if you will benefit from this, AK shows how you deal with that or what does this make to you (make you bounded - 12, or make you want it - 4,2,11 etc). AK desires are known to mind, therefore when AK is in tenth one treats training/skills/work very seriously, almost like religion. Regards, Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal vedicastrostudent pisze: Dear Rafalji, Your replies are always pithy (full of information), it takes a while for me to fully absorb them! But please see my post to Maja - I mean AK and conscious mind arent the same thing are they? AK is the deeper spark of the soul that in most cases the mind (manas) isnt even aware of. And the AK might actually want to take the person in a different direction than where the mind/lagna wants to take them, no? But how will it do that - it can only do so by creating a circumstance in which the mind is forced to listen, even if it doesnt want to. I feel this strongly because my own AK is in the 6th (before CK replacements), and I strongly felt that during my (ongoing) AK dasa, lots of events happened which I consciously didnt like or ask for, but they happened anyway and forced me to change my outlook, harshly and repeatedly. The AK didnt sweetly and gently plant "the right desires" and remove the "wrong desires" (in my mind) so that life was continuously (mentally) smooth. This is why I suspect that AK is deeper and in case of less enlightened/more rajasik-tamasik souls, almost totally separate from the mind. The mind is not even aware of AK's desires. But AK remains the king, and it expresses it's strength by forcing situations in which the mind helplessly has to listen. Do I understand correctly? Thank you very much, Sundeep sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > Dear Sundeep, Namaskar > > On Ck level 1) maranakarakasthana and 2) pachakadi sambandha are most > important. It refers to motivation and soul level sambandha which is > connected to our inspirations, desires. AK with AmK is rajasambandha > yoga per Parasara Maharishi - this gives karma yogis which are fully > dedicated to mission (similar with charakaraka replacement). Of course > AK/PK in 2/12 doesnt bode well for relation with children but there are > more points to check. > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal > > Maja Strbac pisze: > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Namaste dear Sundeep, > > (And hello again > > > > I think that in case when AK and PK 2/12 is not really 100% attitude > > issue of "giving up". What AK represents for native, same is PK for > > native's children. So, soul level and important experiences > > regarding purification and spirituality are very different between > > native and children (I think it refers to all children) which can > > bring lack of understanding. Of course, AK can also describe huge > > portion of someone's character. > > > > Attitude and life direction is more matter of arudhas, so in that > > case it seems that we should observe relation between AL and A5. > > > > These are just thoughts. (I could be wrong too. I did not listen to > > that lecture) > > > > Regards, > > Maja > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa% 40>, > > "vedicastrostudent" > > <vedicastrostudent@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear members and Gurus, > > > > > > Again a probably simple question. After listening to one of > > > Vistiji's lectures, I got the impression (possibly wrong, I just > > > cant spend as much time on astrology as I want to, so please > > excuse > > > me if I wrongly absorb something) that by seeing the relationship > > of > > > the AK to the other charakarakas in the Rasi chart, you see the > > real > > > attitude towards whatever is signified by the charakaraka. I am > > > confused as to what this "real attitude" means. For example, if a > > > mother's AK and PK are in 2-12 relationship e.g. PK in 12th from > > AK, > > > surely it doesnt mean that the mother's conscious attitude toward > > > her children is of "giving up"? Because that doesnt seem to be the > > > case. Or does it mean that that is the Atma's attitude and since > > the > > > Atma is deeper than the conscious mind, it might instead create > > > situations in which the children are forced to be given up? So my > > > real question is - how exactly, or at what level of experience, do > > > you interpret charakarakas position relative to each other? If AK > > > and AmK are together, how exactly does it create Rajayoga? To make > > > the CK principle clearer, could you contrast it with, for example, > > > 10L in the 1st house, and also with 10L with the Moon. > > > > > > Thank you very much, > > > > > > Sundeep > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 kleem namah narasimhaaya Dear Sundeep , Namaskar Its pure or default AK when it drives one to God through Ishta deva, but normally AK is filtered through the previous samskaras. Their layers are seen by examinin position of AK in Navamsa. If these layers enables one to uplift the soul then one is spiritual otherwise one is under rajasic and tamasic traits which makes the AK acts differently. Therefore when AK is lording Lagna it can make one like demon or saint. No need to doubt, its from Parampara. Regards, Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal vedicastrostudent pisze: Dear RAfalji, Again, I will have to take some time to absorb everything you say, but regarding the sentence "AKs desires are known to mind", I have a doubt. Sanjayji said somewhere something like: "AK's goal is to guide you to the temple of God". If this is the AK's desire, and AK's desire is known to the mind, then either everyone should be truly spiritual, or perhaps when you say "known" you mean "known but not necessarily liked"? I know for a fact that everyone is NOT truly spiritual - I wasnt until age 35. Thank you, Sundeep sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > Dear Sundeep, Namaskar > > CK's are more to desire, Arudhas more to circumstance. It becomes more > clear when you will learn about yogas having argala on L (take), AL > (form), AK (desire). It relates also to three types of shakti. So we > should see where the A5/A9 (depending on oddity of Lagna) lord is > placed from Atmakaraka. We should also see 5L/9L, PK and Ju from AK > (focusing on mks/pachakadi) and then AK,LL from PK (also same 2 > sambandhas). Lagna yogas shows circumstance/action, AL shows how/if you > will benefit from this, AK shows how you deal with that or what does > this make to you (make you bounded - 12, or make you want it - 4,2,11 etc). > > AK desires are known to mind, therefore when AK is in tenth one treats > training/skills/work very seriously, almost like religion. > > > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal > > > > vedicastrostudent pisze: > > > > Dear Rafalji, > > Your replies are always pithy (full of information), it takes a > > while for me to fully absorb them! But please see my post to Maja - > > I mean AK and conscious mind arent the same thing are they? AK is > > the deeper spark of the soul that in most cases the mind (manas) > > isnt even aware of. And the AK might actually want to take the > > person in a different direction than where the mind/lagna wants to > > take them, no? But how will it do that - it can only do so by > > creating a circumstance in which the mind is forced to listen, even > > if it doesnt want to. I feel this strongly because my own AK is in > > the 6th (before CK replacements), and I strongly felt that during my > > (ongoing) AK dasa, lots of events happened which I consciously didnt > > like or ask for, but they happened anyway and forced me to change my > > outlook, harshly and repeatedly. The AK didnt sweetly and gently > > plant "the right desires" and remove the "wrong desires" (in my > > mind) so that life was continuously (mentally) smooth. This is why I > > suspect that AK is deeper and in case of less enlightened/more > > rajasik-tamasik souls, almost totally separate from the mind. The > > mind is not even aware of AK's desires. But AK remains the king, and > > it expresses it's strength by forcing situations in which the mind > > helplessly has to listen. > > > > Do I understand correctly? > > > > Thank you very much, > > > > Sundeep > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa% 40>, > > Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@> > > wrote: > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > > Dear Sundeep, Namaskar > > > > > > On Ck level 1) maranakarakasthana and 2) pachakadi sambandha are > > most > > > important. It refers to motivation and soul level sambandha which > > is > > > connected to our inspirations, desires. AK with AmK is > > rajasambandha > > > yoga per Parasara Maharishi - this gives karma yogis which are > > fully > > > dedicated to mission (similar with charakaraka replacement). Of > > course > > > AK/PK in 2/12 doesnt bode well for relation with children but > > there are > > > more points to check. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > > www: http://rohinaa.com <http://rohinaa.com> / email: rafal@ > > > > > > Maja Strbac pisze: > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > Namaste dear Sundeep, > > > > (And hello again > > > > > > > > I think that in case when AK and PK 2/12 is not really 100% > > attitude > > > > issue of "giving up". What AK represents for native, same is PK > > for > > > > native's children. So, soul level and important experiences > > > > regarding purification and spirituality are very different > > between > > > > native and children (I think it refers to all children) which can > > > > bring lack of understanding. Of course, AK can also describe huge > > > > portion of someone's character. > > > > > > > > Attitude and life direction is more matter of arudhas, so in that > > > > case it seems that we should observe relation between AL and A5. > > > > > > > > These are just thoughts. (I could be wrong too. I did not listen > > to > > > > that lecture) > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Maja > > > > > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa% 40> > > <sohamsa% > > 40>, > > > > "vedicastrostudent" > > > > <vedicastrostudent@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear members and Gurus, > > > > > > > > > > Again a probably simple question. After listening to one of > > > > > Vistiji's lectures, I got the impression (possibly wrong, I > > just > > > > > cant spend as much time on astrology as I want to, so please > > > > excuse > > > > > me if I wrongly absorb something) that by seeing the > > relationship > > > > of > > > > > the AK to the other charakarakas in the Rasi chart, you see the > > > > real > > > > > attitude towards whatever is signified by the charakaraka. I am > > > > > confused as to what this "real attitude" means. For example, > > if a > > > > > mother's AK and PK are in 2-12 relationship e.g. PK in 12th > > from > > > > AK, > > > > > surely it doesnt mean that the mother's conscious attitude > > toward > > > > > her children is of "giving up"? Because that doesnt seem to be > > the > > > > > case. Or does it mean that that is the Atma's attitude and > > since > > > > the > > > > > Atma is deeper than the conscious mind, it might instead create > > > > > situations in which the children are forced to be given up? So > > my > > > > > real question is - how exactly, or at what level of > > experience, do > > > > > you interpret charakarakas position relative to each other? If > > AK > > > > > and AmK are together, how exactly does it create Rajayoga? To > > make > > > > > the CK principle clearer, could you contrast it with, for > > example, > > > > > 10L in the 1st house, and also with 10L with the Moon. > > > > > > > > > > Thank you very much, > > > > > > > > > > Sundeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 kleem namah narasimhaaya Dear Sundeep, Namaskar 1. For upliftment of conciousness Karakamsa and Karaka Lagna must be connected to spiritual yogas. This can mean AK in second bhava in D9, Shukra/Moon/Ketu in forth from AK, Karakaamsa yuti Guru/Ketu, Guru in 9 from Karakaamsa, spiritual yogas in moksha trikona in D9 etc. In Rasi spiritual yogas are connected mostly to Moon and Arudha Lagna as that is what Ketu (sadhu) will cut. AK (like some nakshatras) is always spiritual in a sense that the suffering makes one think about life in more holistic sense which can inspire one to become more spiritual. But even for complete non-spiritual people you will recognize that they are attached to areas of life represented by bhava/arudha/graha/yoga yuti AK and thats quite concious for them. 2. AK (d60) is much deeper than mana-vargas but its not adrsya like badhak. Inimical desires are connected again to badhakesh ie AK in badhaksthana, sarpa, pisaca, preta yoga. Unknown desires when one is wandering are connected to weak Guru or Lagnesh in seventh. These principles youll find working well with charts. Regards, Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal vedicastrostudent pisze: Dear Rafalji, Thank you for the information. I must say it makes a lot of sense. But 2 questions still: 1) So how do we find out from Navamsa if AK is a spiritual AK versus a non-spiritual one? 2) Nevertheless, I am still confused that AK is known to mind. Mind (manas) according to Vivekacudamani is manomayakosa, surely AK is deeper than that. Does Moon represent this same manas (doesnt Parasara say so?)? Then Moon and AK in 6/8 would mean that AK desires are inimical(6) to the mind, or unknown(8) to the mind. Where am I going wrong here? Thank you, Sundeep sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > Dear Sundeep , Namaskar > > Its pure or default AK when it drives one to God through Ishta deva, but > normally AK is filtered through the previous samskaras. Their layers are > seen by examinin position of AK in Navamsa. If these layers enables one > to uplift the soul then one is spiritual otherwise one is under rajasic > and tamasic traits which makes the AK acts differently. Therefore when > AK is lording Lagna it can make one like demon or saint. No need to > doubt, its from Parampara. > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal > > > > > > vedicastrostudent pisze: > > > > Dear RAfalji, > > Again, I will have to take some time to absorb everything you say, > > but regarding the sentence "AKs desires are known to mind", I have a > > doubt. Sanjayji said somewhere something like: "AK's goal is to > > guide you to the temple of God". If this is the AK's desire, and > > AK's desire is known to the mind, then either everyone should be > > truly spiritual, or perhaps when you say "known" you mean "known but > > not necessarily liked"? I know for a fact that everyone is NOT truly > > spiritual - I wasnt until age 35. > > > > Thank you, > > > > Sundeep > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa% 40>, > > Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@> > > wrote: > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > > Dear Sundeep, Namaskar > > > > > > CK's are more to desire, Arudhas more to circumstance. It becomes > > more > > > clear when you will learn about yogas having argala on L (take), > > AL > > > (form), AK (desire). It relates also to three types of shakti. So > > we > > > should see where the A5/A9 (depending on oddity of Lagna) lord is > > > placed from Atmakaraka. We should also see 5L/9L, PK and Ju from > > AK > > > (focusing on mks/pachakadi) and then AK,LL from PK (also same 2 > > > sambandhas). Lagna yogas shows circumstance/action, AL shows > > how/if you > > > will benefit from this, AK shows how you deal with that or what > > does > > > this make to you (make you bounded - 12, or make you want it - > > 4,2,11 etc). > > > > > > AK desires are known to mind, therefore when AK is in tenth one > > treats > > > training/skills/work very seriously, almost like religion. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > > www: http://rohinaa.com <http://rohinaa.com> / email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > > > > > vedicastrostudent pisze: > > > > > > > > Dear Rafalji, > > > > Your replies are always pithy (full of information), it takes a > > > > while for me to fully absorb them! But please see my post to > > Maja - > > > > I mean AK and conscious mind arent the same thing are they? AK is > > > > the deeper spark of the soul that in most cases the mind (manas) > > > > isnt even aware of. And the AK might actually want to take the > > > > person in a different direction than where the mind/lagna wants > > to > > > > take them, no? But how will it do that - it can only do so by > > > > creating a circumstance in which the mind is forced to listen, > > even > > > > if it doesnt want to. I feel this strongly because my own AK is > > in > > > > the 6th (before CK replacements), and I strongly felt that > > during my > > > > (ongoing) AK dasa, lots of events happened which I consciously > > didnt > > > > like or ask for, but they happened anyway and forced me to > > change my > > > > outlook, harshly and repeatedly. The AK didnt sweetly and gently > > > > plant "the right desires" and remove the "wrong desires" (in my > > > > mind) so that life was continuously (mentally) smooth. This is > > why I > > > > suspect that AK is deeper and in case of less enlightened/more > > > > rajasik-tamasik souls, almost totally separate from the mind. The > > > > mind is not even aware of AK's desires. But AK remains the king, > > and > > > > it expresses it's strength by forcing situations in which the > > mind > > > > helplessly has to listen. > > > > > > > > Do I understand correctly? > > > > > > > > Thank you very much, > > > > > > > > Sundeep > > > > > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa% 40> > > <sohamsa% > > 40>, > > > > Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > > > > Dear Sundeep, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > On Ck level 1) maranakarakasthana and 2) pachakadi sambandha > > are > > > > most > > > > > important. It refers to motivation and soul level sambandha > > which > > > > is > > > > > connected to our inspirations, desires. AK with AmK is > > > > rajasambandha > > > > > yoga per Parasara Maharishi - this gives karma yogis which are > > > > fully > > > > > dedicated to mission (similar with charakaraka replacement). Of > > > > course > > > > > AK/PK in 2/12 doesnt bode well for relation with children but > > > > there are > > > > > more points to check. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > > > > www: http://rohinaa.com <http://rohinaa.com> <http://rohinaa.com > > <http://rohinaa.com>> / email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > > > Maja Strbac pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste dear Sundeep, > > > > > > (And hello again > > > > > > > > > > > > I think that in case when AK and PK 2/12 is not really 100% > > > > attitude > > > > > > issue of "giving up". What AK represents for native, same is > > PK > > > > for > > > > > > native's children. So, soul level and important experiences > > > > > > regarding purification and spirituality are very different > > > > between > > > > > > native and children (I think it refers to all children) > > which can > > > > > > bring lack of understanding. Of course, AK can also describe > > huge > > > > > > portion of someone's character. > > > > > > > > > > > > Attitude and life direction is more matter of arudhas, so in > > that > > > > > > case it seems that we should observe relation between AL and > > A5. > > > > > > > > > > > > These are just thoughts. (I could be wrong too. I did not > > listen > > > > to > > > > > > that lecture) > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Maja > > > > > > > > > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa > > <sohamsa%40> <sohamsa% > > 40> > > > > <sohamsa% > > > > 40>, > > > > > > "vedicastrostudent" > > > > > > <vedicastrostudent@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear members and Gurus, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again a probably simple question. After listening to one of > > > > > > > Vistiji's lectures, I got the impression (possibly wrong, I > > > > just > > > > > > > cant spend as much time on astrology as I want to, so > > please > > > > > > excuse > > > > > > > me if I wrongly absorb something) that by seeing the > > > > relationship > > > > > > of > > > > > > > the AK to the other charakarakas in the Rasi chart, you > > see the > > > > > > real > > > > > > > attitude towards whatever is signified by the charakaraka. > > I am > > > > > > > confused as to what this "real attitude" means. For > > example, > > > > if a > > > > > > > mother's AK and PK are in 2-12 relationship e.g. PK in 12th > > > > from > > > > > > AK, > > > > > > > surely it doesnt mean that the mother's conscious attitude > > > > toward > > > > > > > her children is of "giving up"? Because that doesnt seem > > to be > > > > the > > > > > > > case. Or does it mean that that is the Atma's attitude and > > > > since > > > > > > the > > > > > > > Atma is deeper than the conscious mind, it might instead > > create > > > > > > > situations in which the children are forced to be given > > up? So > > > > my > > > > > > > real question is - how exactly, or at what level of > > > > experience, do > > > > > > > you interpret charakarakas position relative to each > > other? If > > > > AK > > > > > > > and AmK are together, how exactly does it create Rajayoga? > > To > > > > make > > > > > > > the CK principle clearer, could you contrast it with, for > > > > example, > > > > > > > 10L in the 1st house, and also with 10L with the Moon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you very much, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sundeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 *kleem namah narasimhaaya* Dear Sundeep , Namaskar Depends. If PK is in 12 from AK then children/students are strongly connected to one feeling of freedom, whilst position in second shows that they sustain the inspiration and desire of the native (atma iccha shakti - argala). If PK in 12H is benefic then its good and if some planet connects these two then there can be strong bond to associate oneself with those areas of life. Kendra/kona vs dushtana also shows something here - its the relation and way of approaching various areas, therefore rajasambandha rules gives by Maharishi Parasara. But for the ignore/reject we should use a) mks and b) pachakadi sambandhas. So if I will give you simplified answer that 2/12 is bad then you will give me ten charts when that rule doesnt work - so I try to make it holistic by differentiate between Ck (eight petals of anahata chakra), AL (moon as karaka, has similarity to Karakaamsa - Parasara 31.29), Lordship (rashmesh), Karaka (anubhava), Nakshatra (sustanence), Varga (detailed and independent) etc levels. Every approach which omits that type of approaching the chart will lead to wrong predictions. So AK (king of chart - Parasara 34.9) bhava shows where you are picky, kendra to it (by naisargika) shows ahamkarana and attachment - this we cure by Mahavidya worship. Trikona to it can motivate one or make completely depressed / crazy (see example 2). 3 from AK shows preferred death (again desire) whilst in karakaamsa shows for which things we can strife to death (as it deals with ideals of soul). Panaphara to Ak shows middle, whilst Apoklima old age (so 12 shows oldage). Arudhas yuti shows vital focus, whilst yuti karaakamsa shows group we belong to and our interests (Parasara chapter 34) which can materialize depending on navamsa lagna. We have three : naisargika (atma), sthira (jiva) and chara (for this birth) atmakaraka. For this relation (2/12) charakaraka replacement should be seen as well as nature of the planet. As the Surya as AK will hit the twelfth bhava more due to MKS (see example 3). September 18, 1958 Time: 18:10:18 Time Zone: 2:00:00 (East of GMT) Place: 16 E 39' 00 " , 50 N 27' 00 " For example in this chart there is no spiritual bond between spouse and native (2/12 with DK) and therefore when native went ahead spiritually the bond was over, but because Guru with Lagnesh is in 2H from UL he feel morally responsible to stay with that person by all means. Example 2 JAC Natal Chart June 24, 1983 Time: 18:54:24 Time Zone: 2:00:00 (East of GMT) Place: 19 E 03' 10 " , 50 N 17' 10 " Using Satabdika dasa. Person is in Shani-shani-mangal which made him really depressed. Analyzing Shani we see its placement in 5 from AK, 10 from AL (pravraja) and 12H from Lagna (which aspects 12h from Karaka Lagna) which shows lack of freedom and opportunities which made him totally absent-minded. Current 07/08 was really bad as Sudarshana progression of Surya comes to eight bhava (invisible house) where he has 1) low point in Chandra-Bhinna AV and 2) its the place of AK in randhrabhava. Tithi pravesha has bandhanayoga. Example 3 This person had already 2 second relationships. Now she has baby with the third partner, all they were quite spiritual as she. October 15, 1979 Time: 22:15:00 Time Zone: 2:00:00 (East of GMT) Place: 23 E 09' 00 " , 53 N 08' 00 " 1) First and Second Upapada has fallen due to weak Mangal. The third upapada was the same person as it is lorded by same planet and aspected by rasi drsti. 2) The third (father of baby) serious partner is the 4UL (dhanus). Lord is with Mo/Ra/Sa - person is totally depressed - 4L in D9 is budha neecha. Ninth from UL is Ra+Ju which shows sudden childbirth (Guru-Shani per Utpanna Vimshottari - ninth lord[lady] and Guru[karaka] in ninth from UL. Guru here also shows that she is (quite independent - see 10L from Rasi Lg in D10 and Lagnesh of D10 in ninth whilst 2/7 are in parivartana in d10) teacher of English (see Ju in AL, d9 lagna and lording 1/10L in D10). Coming to the Ck's - analyze 12H from AK. Children (Ju - karaka/Sa-lord), Relations (Chandra-Ck,Gu-lord), Career (Shani-amk, Guru-lord) were all quite bad which make the chart seriously damaged by the rejections of atma and taking spiritual path (Ke in AL in fifth from Lagnesh). Regards, Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal vedicastrostudent pisze: > > Dear Rafalji, > Thank you for all this information. Again, it is going to take me a > while to absorb this one. But going back to the original question: So > if AK and PK are in 2-12, then what exactly does it mean? Everytime I > tried to explain it, you showed me that that explanation was > attributed to actually something else. So this time I'm simply asking > you point blank what AK-PK 2-12 means (i.e. AK in 2 to PK and PK in 12 > to AK). > > Thank you, > > Sundeep > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 *kleem namah narasimhaaya* Dear Sundeep , Namaskar Depends. If PK is in 12 from AK then children/students are strongly connected to one feeling of freedom, whilst position in second shows that they sustain the inspiration and desire of the native (atma iccha shakti - argala). If PK in 12H is benefic then its good and if some planet connects these two then there can be strong bond to associate oneself with those areas of life. Kendra/kona vs dushtana also shows something here - its the relation and way of approaching various areas, therefore rajasambandha rules gives by Maharishi Parasara. But for the ignore/reject we should use a) mks and b) pachakadi sambandhas. So if I will give you simplified answer that 2/12 is bad then you will give me ten charts when that rule doesnt work - so I try to make it holistic by differentiate between Ck (eight petals of anahata chakra), AL (moon as karaka, has similarity to Karakaamsa - Parasara 31.29), Lordship (rashmesh), Karaka (anubhava), Nakshatra (sustanence), Varga (detailed and independent) etc levels. Every approach which omits that type of approaching the chart will lead to wrong predictions. So AK (king of chart - Parasara 34.9) bhava shows where you are picky, kendra to it (by naisargika) shows ahamkarana and attachment - this we cure by Mahavidya worship. Trikona to it can motivate one or make completely depressed / crazy (see example 2). 3 from AK shows preferred death (again desire) whilst in karakaamsa shows for which things we can strife to death (as it deals with ideals of soul). Panaphara to Ak shows middle, whilst Apoklima old age (so 12 shows oldage). Arudhas yuti shows vital focus, whilst yuti karaakamsa shows group we belong to and our interests (Parasara chapter 34) which can materialize depending on navamsa lagna. We have three : naisargika (atma), sthira (jiva) and chara (for this birth) atmakaraka. For this relation (2/12) charakaraka replacement should be seen as well as nature of the planet. As the Surya as AK will hit the twelfth bhava more due to MKS (see example 3). September 18, 1958 Time: 18:10:18 Time Zone: 2:00:00 (East of GMT) Place: 16 E 39' 00 " , 50 N 27' 00 " For example in this chart there is no spiritual bond between spouse and native (2/12 with DK) and therefore when native went ahead spiritually the bond was over, but because Guru with Lagnesh is in 2H from UL he feel morally responsible to stay with that person by all means. Example 2 JAC Natal Chart June 24, 1983 Time: 18:54:24 Time Zone: 2:00:00 (East of GMT) Place: 19 E 03' 10 " , 50 N 17' 10 " Using Satabdika dasa. Person is in Shani-shani-mangal which made him really depressed. Analyzing Shani we see its placement in 5 from AK, 10 from AL (pravraja) and 12H from Lagna (which aspects 12h from Karaka Lagna) which shows lack of freedom and opportunities which made him totally absent-minded. Current 07/08 was really bad as Sudarshana progression of Surya comes to eight bhava (invisible house) where he has 1) low point in Chandra-Bhinna AV and 2) its the place of AK in randhrabhava. Tithi pravesha has bandhanayoga. Example 3 This person had already 2 second relationships. Now she has baby with the third partner, all they were quite spiritual as she. October 15, 1979 Time: 22:15:00 Time Zone: 2:00:00 (East of GMT) Place: 23 E 09' 00 " , 53 N 08' 00 " 1) First and Second Upapada has fallen due to weak Mangal. The third upapada was the same person as it is lorded by same planet and aspected by rasi drsti. 2) The third (father of baby) serious partner is the 4UL (dhanus). Lord is with Mo/Ra/Sa - person is totally depressed - 4L in D9 is budha neecha. Ninth from UL is Ra+Ju which shows sudden childbirth (Guru-Shani per Utpanna Vimshottari - ninth lord[lady] and Guru[karaka] in ninth from UL. Guru here also shows that she is (quite independent - see 10L from Rasi Lg in D10 and Lagnesh of D10 in ninth whilst 2/7 are in parivartana in d10) teacher of English (see Ju in AL, d9 lagna and lording 1/10L in D10). Coming to the Ck's - analyze 12H from AK. Children (Ju - karaka/Sa-lord), Relations (Chandra-Ck,Gu-lord), Career (Shani-amk, Guru-lord) were all quite bad which make the chart seriously damaged by the rejections of atma and taking spiritual path (Ke in AL in fifth from Lagnesh). Regards, Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal vedicastrostudent pisze: > > Dear Rafalji, > Thank you for all this information. Again, it is going to take me a > while to absorb this one. But going back to the original question: So > if AK and PK are in 2-12, then what exactly does it mean? Everytime I > tried to explain it, you showed me that that explanation was > attributed to actually something else. So this time I'm simply asking > you point blank what AK-PK 2-12 means (i.e. AK in 2 to PK and PK in 12 > to AK). > > Thank you, > > Sundeep > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 kleem namah narasimhaaya Dear Sundeep , Namaskar You are most welcome. Regards, Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal vedicastrostudent pisze: Dear Rafalji, Many thanks for this truly comprehensive reply! I will need to read this several times over and examine the charts in the next few days and weeks. Thank you, Sundeep sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > Dear Sundeep , Namaskar > > Depends. If PK is in 12 from AK then children/students are strongly > connected to one feeling of freedom, whilst position in second shows > that they sustain the inspiration and desire of the native (atma iccha > shakti - argala). If PK in 12H is benefic then its good and if some > planet connects these two then there can be strong bond to associate > oneself with those areas of life. Kendra/kona vs dushtana also shows > something here - its the relation and way of approaching various areas, > therefore rajasambandha rules gives by Maharishi Parasara. But for the > ignore/reject we should use a) mks and b) pachakadi sambandhas. So if I > will give you simplified answer that 2/12 is bad then you will give me > ten charts when that rule doesnt work - so I try to make it holistic by > differentiate between Ck (eight petals of anahata chakra), AL (moon as > karaka, has similarity to Karakaamsa - Parasara 31.29), Lordship > (rashmesh), Karaka (anubhava), Nakshatra (sustanence), Varga (detailed > and independent) etc levels. Every approach which omits that type of > approaching the chart will lead to wrong predictions. So AK (king of > chart - Parasara 34.9) bhava shows where you are picky, kendra to it (by > naisargika) shows ahamkarana and attachment - this we cure by Mahavidya > worship. Trikona to it can motivate one or make completely depressed / > crazy (see example 2). 3 from AK shows preferred death (again desire) > whilst in karakaamsa shows for which things we can strife to death (as > it deals with ideals of soul). Panaphara to Ak shows middle, whilst > Apoklima old age (so 12 shows oldage). Arudhas yuti shows vital focus, > whilst yuti karaakamsa shows group we belong to and our interests > (Parasara chapter 34) which can materialize depending on navamsa lagna. > We have three : naisargika (atma), sthira (jiva) and chara (for this > birth) atmakaraka. For this relation (2/12) charakaraka replacement > should be seen as well as nature of the planet. As the Surya as AK will > hit the twelfth bhava more due to MKS (see example 3). > > September 18, 1958 > Time: 18:10:18 > Time Zone: 2:00:00 (East of GMT) > Place: 16 E 39' 00", 50 N 27' 00" > > For example in this chart there is no spiritual bond between spouse and > native (2/12 with DK) and therefore when native went ahead spiritually > the bond was over, but because Guru with Lagnesh is in 2H from UL he > feel morally responsible to stay with that person by all means. > > Example 2 > > JAC > > Natal Chart > > June 24, 1983 > Time: 18:54:24 > Time Zone: 2:00:00 (East of GMT) > Place: 19 E 03' 10", 50 N 17' 10" > > Using Satabdika dasa. Person is in Shani-shani-mangal which made him > really depressed. Analyzing Shani we see its placement in 5 from AK, 10 > from AL (pravraja) and 12H from Lagna (which aspects 12h from Karaka > Lagna) which shows lack of freedom and opportunities which made him > totally absent-minded. Current 07/08 was really bad as Sudarshana > progression of Surya comes to eight bhava (invisible house) where he has > 1) low point in Chandra-Bhinna AV and 2) its the place of AK in > randhrabhava. Tithi pravesha has bandhanayoga. > > > Example 3 > > This person had already 2 second relationships. Now she has baby with > the third partner, all they were quite spiritual as she. > > October 15, 1979 > Time: 22:15:00 > Time Zone: 2:00:00 (East of GMT) > Place: 23 E 09' 00", 53 N 08' 00" > > 1) First and Second Upapada has fallen due to weak Mangal. The third > upapada was the same person as it is lorded by same planet and aspected > by rasi drsti. > 2) The third (father of baby) serious partner is the 4UL (dhanus). Lord > is with Mo/Ra/Sa - person is totally depressed - 4L in D9 is budha > neecha. Ninth from UL is Ra+Ju which shows sudden childbirth (Guru- Shani > per Utpanna Vimshottari - ninth lord[lady] and Guru[karaka] in ninth > from UL. Guru here also shows that she is (quite independent - see 10L > from Rasi Lg in D10 and Lagnesh of D10 in ninth whilst 2/7 are in > parivartana in d10) teacher of English (see Ju in AL, d9 lagna and > lording 1/10L in D10). > > Coming to the Ck's - analyze 12H from AK. Children (Ju - > karaka/Sa-lord), Relations (Chandra-Ck,Gu-lord), Career (Shani- amk, > Guru-lord) were all quite bad which make the chart seriously damaged by > the rejections of atma and taking spiritual path (Ke in AL in fifth from > Lagnesh). > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal > > > vedicastrostudent pisze: > > > > Dear Rafalji, > > Thank you for all this information. Again, it is going to take me a > > while to absorb this one. But going back to the original question: So > > if AK and PK are in 2-12, then what exactly does it mean? Everytime I > > tried to explain it, you showed me that that explanation was > > attributed to actually something else. So this time I'm simply asking > > you point blank what AK-PK 2-12 means (i.e. AK in 2 to PK and PK in 12 > > to AK). > > > > Thank you, > > > > Sundeep > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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