Guest guest Posted April 8, 2008 Report Share Posted April 8, 2008 Dear Prashantji, of course in certain families there are certain trends which keep on repeating due to some dosha/shraapa running through the ancestries,like all children born short, or the male members for instanvce not crossing age 50, or 1st male child always expiring, or all of them dying through similiar health problems. rgrds/Bhaskar. , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > > Nikit, > > It is possible to say one will have tendencies for a unaural death, untimely death etc > these depend on their Karma and family that they r bon into [their collective karma] sometimes a window of hope is there, by some prayers, or some councelling etc and a close shave or call whatever it may be may happen, in most cases it won't stop the event > > an astrologers job is to identify them and let the family know of it, it is possible, but it will be a v heavy heart that one can put this, in a way suggesting remedies is a blessing to say we have told u and reduce their shock level > > I can give u an example > > female born on 7/5/96, 7.35 am Hyd > > I had to her father long beofre say in 1982 that irrespective of how many kids he may have 1st will be a girl and it may not last, > he dismissed it and even ridiculed it saying for generations the 1st born in their family is male so forget it > the girls 4th b'day was was celebrated in our house > > on June 11 99 at 3.09 pm her mother opened the grill door and main door to let the servant in and she went to the terrace to bring the clothes up to dry, > this child climbed [wet hands] the grill door to press the bell as kids like climbing heights esp grills, and playing with the calling bell etc > > as she did try it and was barefoot on the grill and the live wires to the bell were exposed she contacted it and was electrocuted on the spot and fell down dead > this prediction as such I was right, but did it give me happiness no as it brough the family to a lot of grief > > girl is a cousin of mine. > > my uncle who had faith in some astrologers who said many goood things of him never felt I can be right till this happened > > in spite of giving him a prediction 3 yrs before that he will resign on a particular day the next job will see him grow hell a lot > > from 3k a month for past 8 yrs he got a job on the said date for 9k and in 3 months became 12k now earns some lak plus a month] > > nothing impressed him, but this is no prediction to give anyone happiness does it? > I can cite more such examples if it helps > > for everyone it looks akala mrityu a asntrolger it is kala mrityu > [that was all she had if u see her chart and 22nd drekkana- death by water] > > best wishes > > > > > > astroiniket <astroiniket wrote: bhaskarji, > In simple words:(what i understand) > 1. Mritu:(natural death)- if happen by some illness, or sudden > without any known cause called Mritue or naturaly when age is > completed it may completed in any age(can be calculated , governed by > planets) > > 2. AkalMritu:- when some accident happen, suside happen, but as per > planets age is remaining, it depends on Natural disasters included > war or terrorism etc. purely base on desh kaal and paristhity, when > deth come in mass distruction , you can include that. > > for example : A candle you lite , it have avrage 2 hrs life, but some > chield blow air, or storm come or some one make through it. > > i may be wrong but this is my opinion and thoughts. > > rgds > niket > > , " Bhaskar " > <rajiventerprises@> wrote: > > > > Dear sushmaji, > > > > I have heard of 2 terms ,but do not > > know the meaning exactly, and hope you > > can guide me on this . > > > > 1) Mrityu > > 2) Akaal mrityu. > > > > Can you guide me to the difference in > > both these mrityus ? > > Also let me know, whether both of thse > > are destined ? > > > > rgrds, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > , " bhagvatjee " > > <bhagvatjee@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji, > > > Sorry to interfere in astrologers' conversations; but being an > > > astgrologer, it seems that you yourself don't belive in > astrology. > > > Committing suicide was written in her destiny. No astrologer is > > > rascal, and can force anybody to commit suicide. Committing > > suicide > > > is not easy. I am sure there must be some Yog or Nakshatra which > > > force a person to committ suicide, everybody can't get such > > courage. > > > Even a prick of needle hurt people, leave committing suicide. So, > > > please, don't let your blood boil on such cases. > > > > > > No person can give grief to anybody, no person can give happiness > > to > > > anybody, everything is got by one's Destiny; that is why it is > not > > > good to blame others. Nothing happens outside of our fate. Even > > > Krishn had to suffer with blame, who are we? > > > > > > Sorry to write all this. I read all the nasty mails you people > > wrote > > > among yourselves, I wanted to write something about it, but in > > fact I > > > am nobody to comment on all that, just a user. All that happened > > was > > > not good - Kshamaa Badan ko Chaahiye, chhotan to Utpaat... > Kshamaa > > is > > > Dharm, Kshamaa is kindness, Kshamaa is everything - I don't > forget > > > Yudhishthir's dialogs in MBH serial. > > > > > > If I have offended you in any way, please forgive me, I respect > > you a > > > lot, you seem to be a very good person. > > > With regards > > > Sushma > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > <rajiventerprises@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Prashantji, > > > > > > > > This sucide by the girl who was Manglik, shows the > > > > play of rascal astrologers , who turn astrologers > > > > within 3-5 months of reading 1-2 books. > > > > > > > > Mars in a womens chart placed in 1st, 4th, 7th, > > > > 8th or 12th , in all charts does not cause Manglik Dosha. > > > > there are many exceptions to such rules. > > > > > > > > The half baked astrologers, do not know > > > > or study these rules, and cause grief to such parents. > > > > > > > > There is another school which i too believe in, is > > > > studying the Nakshatra which Mars is placed in, apart > > > > from being in above mentioned houses. > > > > > > > > This too is helpful in considering the intensity of the Mars > > Dosha. > > > > > > > > The problem in India is half baked astrologers (???) > > > > like Lalit Mishra, who have turned self prophesed astrologers > > > > by showing their charts for free to hundreds of astrologers, > > > > who do not know even the small basics of > > > > chart readings, when they study charts and pass negative > > > > statements after reading effects of planets placed in Houses, > > > > in isolation, who cause much trouble to this science. > > > > > > > > For me there is only one solution. > > > > To shoot them dead. > > > > > > > > Shri prashantji, you were looking for > > > > responses. Unfortunately my > > > > responses on such matters are very blunt, transparent > > > > and candid. Because my blood boils when I > > > > read such stories of young ladies nipped in the > > > > bud, by committing suicide , > > > > due to readings of such half baked astrologers. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " YOUR ONLINE > > ASTROLOGER " > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > members, > > > > > > > > > > i AM SURPRISED OVER THE LACK OF RESPONSE ON SUCH A TOPIC, > > where > > > > each > > > > > can write what they can and may be then upload the file > > > > collectively > > > > > in as many forums and spread the positive side and truth about > > > > > Mangalik and help the subject from attacks by media and also > > help > > > > > victims be reassured > > > > > > > > > > when so much emotions is spent on our own members why not on > > the > > > > > subject that concerns every astrologer as the blame lies on > > our > > > > lack > > > > > of continued clarity, this we have to keep doing as and when > > we > > > > have > > > > > run out of topics and also break the war mood and re- focus on > > > > > astrology, this way groups can work better, I am sure there r > > many > > > > > other such sensitive topics that need attention > > > > > > > > > > so I hope there will be some effort from all of u as well > > > > > > > > > > Happy Ugadi > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Memmbers, > > > > > > > > > > > > It was really sad reading this story and brings astrology > to > > TV > > > > > studios and press in bad light who abuses it further. > > > > > > > > > > > > We must help set this trend right > > > > > > > > > > > > that Mangliks [kuja dosha, angaraka dosha, chevvai dosham] > > are > > > > not > > > > > criminals or condemned for life > > > > > > > > > > > > Mangalik dosha is a insurance for women and shield now it > is > > > > become > > > > > a weapon to malign them > > > > > > > > > > > > they have potential in them that dominate their spouse > more, > > in > > > > the > > > > > past esp women had little choice but be with parents in pre > > > married > > > > > life and after it the house of in-laws and later with her sons > > > > > > and more so if both don't have it or an eual level of the > > dosha > > > > > > > > > > > > and for the current times when women work and are self > > > sufficient > > > > > just Mars in 7 or 8 alone need to casue concern not all others > > > > > > and here too match with a like one and mot lesser ones. > > > > > > > > > > > > and in cases where the husbands died early when this dosha > > is > > > > there > > > > > and also Alpa ayush is their in the husbands only it happens > > else > > > > the > > > > > other dominates if Sri rama went in search of the Golden deer > > as a > > > > > avatara purusha he knoew it so did Laxmana also warn him, but > > the > > > > > Mangalik dosha alone made rama chase it for seethas sake if > > such a > > > > > Marayada Purusha cou;nt resist fulfilling the wifes desire > > what > > > > can > > > > > ordinary men do > > > > > > > > > > > > they to fulfill their wives pleasure will even disown, > > > disrespect > > > > > their own caring parents, or borrow or take bribes and over > > spend > > > > or > > > > > abandon work in crucial times and come home to satisfy their > > > > demands > > > > > as the gravitational pull of such a partner is awesome, if it > > > > doesn't > > > > > happen and there is combinations for going astray they do find > > > > > alternate men who can give happiness same is the case vice > > versa > > > if > > > > > men have it and women are victims of it too > > > > > > > > > > > > now this story in today in Times of India > > > > > > > > > > > > this is more to protect a women not harm her esp this way > > > > becoming a > > > > > superstiton and a cruel slant on woen > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //configuration > > > > > > > > > > > > OAS_url > > > > ='http://adstil.indiatimes.com/RealMedia/ads/'; > > > > > > > > > > > > OAS_listpos = 'Position1'; > > > > > > > > > > > > OAS_query = '?'; > > > > > > > > > > > > OAS_sitepage > > > > = 'www.timesofindia.com/Innovation/index.html'; > > > > > > > > > > > > //end of configuration > > > > > > > > > > > > OAS_version = 10; > > > > > > > > > > > > OAS_rn = '001234567890'; OAS_rns = '1234567890'; > > > > > > > > > > > > OAS_rn = new String (Math.random()); OAS_rns = > > > > > OAS_rn.substring (2, 11); > > > > > > > > > > > > function OAS_NORMAL(pos) { > > > > > > > > > > > > document.write('<A HREF= " ' + OAS_url > > > > + 'click_nx.ads/' + > > > > > OAS_sitepage + '/1' + OAS_rns + '@' + OAS_listpos + '!' + pos > + > > > > > OAS_query + ' " TARGET=_top>'); > > > > > > > > > > > > document.write('<IMG SRC= " ' + OAS_url > > > > + 'adstream_nx.ads/' > > > > > + OAS_sitepage + '/1' + OAS_rns + '@' + OAS_listpos + '!' + > > pos + > > > > > OAS_query + ' " BORDER=0 ALT= " Click! 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Guest guest Posted April 8, 2008 Report Share Posted April 8, 2008 prashant ji, i am still on my opinion that Unnatural death cant be pridicted, even one cant forecast about related things. dear sir, leave about unnatural death, there are so many horoscope of living people's, i had seen personaly mostly pridictions came wrong some time, when time and other data is perfect. not by me only even pillers of astrology cant pridict exactly , by by serfacely one can touch, not in detail, only one can pridict when he is pure hearted astrologer, or with lot of blessing of almightly. like doctors you can say 100 ppl come for treatment but only those get cure who are destined for geting cure with particular doctor. lot of can be said but it all depends on almighty, what he wants from us, what he want to say from us, all depend on his wish, as we will pure same our Vani will be pure, in that condition whatever we will say will come true, i had seen few ppl who does not know abcd of astrology but whatever they pridict comes true. kind rgds niket , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > > Nikit, > > It is possible to say one will have tendencies for a unaural death, untimely death etc > these depend on their Karma and family that they r bon into [their collective karma] sometimes a window of hope is there, by some prayers, or some councelling etc and a close shave or call whatever it may be may happen, in most cases it won't stop the event > > an astrologers job is to identify them and let the family know of it, it is possible, but it will be a v heavy heart that one can put this, in a way suggesting remedies is a blessing to say we have told u and reduce their shock level > > I can give u an example > > female born on 7/5/96, 7.35 am Hyd > > I had to her father long beofre say in 1982 that irrespective of how many kids he may have 1st will be a girl and it may not last, > he dismissed it and even ridiculed it saying for generations the 1st born in their family is male so forget it > the girls 4th b'day was was celebrated in our house > > on June 11 99 at 3.09 pm her mother opened the grill door and main door to let the servant in and she went to the terrace to bring the clothes up to dry, > this child climbed [wet hands] the grill door to press the bell as kids like climbing heights esp grills, and playing with the calling bell etc > > as she did try it and was barefoot on the grill and the live wires to the bell were exposed she contacted it and was electrocuted on the spot and fell down dead > this prediction as such I was right, but did it give me happiness no as it brough the family to a lot of grief > > girl is a cousin of mine. > > my uncle who had faith in some astrologers who said many goood things of him never felt I can be right till this happened > > in spite of giving him a prediction 3 yrs before that he will resign on a particular day the next job will see him grow hell a lot > > from 3k a month for past 8 yrs he got a job on the said date for 9k and in 3 months became 12k now earns some lak plus a month] > > nothing impressed him, but this is no prediction to give anyone happiness does it? > I can cite more such examples if it helps > > for everyone it looks akala mrityu a asntrolger it is kala mrityu > [that was all she had if u see her chart and 22nd drekkana- death by water] > > best wishes > > > > > > astroiniket <astroiniket wrote: bhaskarji, > In simple words:(what i understand) > 1. Mritu:(natural death)- if happen by some illness, or sudden > without any known cause called Mritue or naturaly when age is > completed it may completed in any age(can be calculated , governed by > planets) > > 2. AkalMritu:- when some accident happen, suside happen, but as per > planets age is remaining, it depends on Natural disasters included > war or terrorism etc. purely base on desh kaal and paristhity, when > deth come in mass distruction , you can include that. > > for example : A candle you lite , it have avrage 2 hrs life, but some > chield blow air, or storm come or some one make through it. > > i may be wrong but this is my opinion and thoughts. > > rgds > niket > > , " Bhaskar " > <rajiventerprises@> wrote: > > > > Dear sushmaji, > > > > I have heard of 2 terms ,but do not > > know the meaning exactly, and hope you > > can guide me on this . > > > > 1) Mrityu > > 2) Akaal mrityu. > > > > Can you guide me to the difference in > > both these mrityus ? > > Also let me know, whether both of thse > > are destined ? > > > > rgrds, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > , " bhagvatjee " > > <bhagvatjee@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji, > > > Sorry to interfere in astrologers' conversations; but being an > > > astgrologer, it seems that you yourself don't belive in > astrology. > > > Committing suicide was written in her destiny. No astrologer is > > > rascal, and can force anybody to commit suicide. Committing > > suicide > > > is not easy. I am sure there must be some Yog or Nakshatra which > > > force a person to committ suicide, everybody can't get such > > courage. > > > Even a prick of needle hurt people, leave committing suicide. So, > > > please, don't let your blood boil on such cases. > > > > > > No person can give grief to anybody, no person can give happiness > > to > > > anybody, everything is got by one's Destiny; that is why it is > not > > > good to blame others. Nothing happens outside of our fate. Even > > > Krishn had to suffer with blame, who are we? > > > > > > Sorry to write all this. I read all the nasty mails you people > > wrote > > > among yourselves, I wanted to write something about it, but in > > fact I > > > am nobody to comment on all that, just a user. All that happened > > was > > > not good - Kshamaa Badan ko Chaahiye, chhotan to Utpaat... > Kshamaa > > is > > > Dharm, Kshamaa is kindness, Kshamaa is everything - I don't > forget > > > Yudhishthir's dialogs in MBH serial. > > > > > > If I have offended you in any way, please forgive me, I respect > > you a > > > lot, you seem to be a very good person. > > > With regards > > > Sushma > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > <rajiventerprises@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Prashantji, > > > > > > > > This sucide by the girl who was Manglik, shows the > > > > play of rascal astrologers , who turn astrologers > > > > within 3-5 months of reading 1-2 books. > > > > > > > > Mars in a womens chart placed in 1st, 4th, 7th, > > > > 8th or 12th , in all charts does not cause Manglik Dosha. > > > > there are many exceptions to such rules. > > > > > > > > The half baked astrologers, do not know > > > > or study these rules, and cause grief to such parents. > > > > > > > > There is another school which i too believe in, is > > > > studying the Nakshatra which Mars is placed in, apart > > > > from being in above mentioned houses. > > > > > > > > This too is helpful in considering the intensity of the Mars > > Dosha. > > > > > > > > The problem in India is half baked astrologers (???) > > > > like Lalit Mishra, who have turned self prophesed astrologers > > > > by showing their charts for free to hundreds of astrologers, > > > > who do not know even the small basics of > > > > chart readings, when they study charts and pass negative > > > > statements after reading effects of planets placed in Houses, > > > > in isolation, who cause much trouble to this science. > > > > > > > > For me there is only one solution. > > > > To shoot them dead. > > > > > > > > Shri prashantji, you were looking for > > > > responses. Unfortunately my > > > > responses on such matters are very blunt, transparent > > > > and candid. Because my blood boils when I > > > > read such stories of young ladies nipped in the > > > > bud, by committing suicide , > > > > due to readings of such half baked astrologers. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " YOUR ONLINE > > ASTROLOGER " > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > members, > > > > > > > > > > i AM SURPRISED OVER THE LACK OF RESPONSE ON SUCH A TOPIC, > > where > > > > each > > > > > can write what they can and may be then upload the file > > > > collectively > > > > > in as many forums and spread the positive side and truth about > > > > > Mangalik and help the subject from attacks by media and also > > help > > > > > victims be reassured > > > > > > > > > > when so much emotions is spent on our own members why not on > > the > > > > > subject that concerns every astrologer as the blame lies on > > our > > > > lack > > > > > of continued clarity, this we have to keep doing as and when > > we > > > > have > > > > > run out of topics and also break the war mood and re-focus on > > > > > astrology, this way groups can work better, I am sure there r > > many > > > > > other such sensitive topics that need attention > > > > > > > > > > so I hope there will be some effort from all of u as well > > > > > > > > > > Happy Ugadi > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Memmbers, > > > > > > > > > > > > It was really sad reading this story and brings astrology > to > > TV > > > > > studios and press in bad light who abuses it further. > > > > > > > > > > > > We must help set this trend right > > > > > > > > > > > > that Mangliks [kuja dosha, angaraka dosha, chevvai dosham] > > are > > > > not > > > > > criminals or condemned for life > > > > > > > > > > > > Mangalik dosha is a insurance for women and shield now it > is > > > > become > > > > > a weapon to malign them > > > > > > > > > > > > they have potential in them that dominate their spouse > more, > > in > > > > the > > > > > past esp women had little choice but be with parents in pre > > > married > > > > > life and after it the house of in-laws and later with her sons > > > > > > and more so if both don't have it or an eual level of the > > dosha > > > > > > > > > > > > and for the current times when women work and are self > > > sufficient > > > > > just Mars in 7 or 8 alone need to casue concern not all others > > > > > > and here too match with a like one and mot lesser ones. > > > > > > > > > > > > and in cases where the husbands died early when this dosha > > is > > > > there > > > > > and also Alpa ayush is their in the husbands only it happens > > else > > > > the > > > > > other dominates if Sri rama went in search of the Golden deer > > as a > > > > > avatara purusha he knoew it so did Laxmana also warn him, but > > the > > > > > Mangalik dosha alone made rama chase it for seethas sake if > > such a > > > > > Marayada Purusha cou;nt resist fulfilling the wifes desire > > what > > > > can > > > > > ordinary men do > > > > > > > > > > > > they to fulfill their wives pleasure will even disown, > > > disrespect > > > > > their own caring parents, or borrow or take bribes and over > > spend > > > > or > > > > > abandon work in crucial times and come home to satisfy their > > > > demands > > > > > as the gravitational pull of such a partner is awesome, if it > > > > doesn't > > > > > happen and there is combinations for going astray they do find > > > > > alternate men who can give happiness same is the case vice > > versa > > > if > > > > > men have it and women are victims of it too > > > > > > > > > > > > now this story in today in Times of India > > > > > > > > > > > > this is more to protect a women not harm her esp this way > > > > becoming a > > > > > superstiton and a cruel slant on woen > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //configuration > > > > > > > > > > > > OAS_url > > > > ='http://adstil.indiatimes.com/RealMedia/ads/'; > > > > > > > > > > > > OAS_listpos = 'Position1'; > > > > > > > > > > > > OAS_query = '?'; > > > > > > > > > > > > OAS_sitepage > > > > = 'www.timesofindia.com/Innovation/index.html'; > > > > > > > > > > > > //end of configuration > > > > > > > > > > > > OAS_version = 10; > > > > > > > > > > > > OAS_rn = '001234567890'; OAS_rns = '1234567890'; > > > > > > > > > > > > OAS_rn = new String (Math.random()); OAS_rns = > > > > > OAS_rn.substring (2, 11); > > > > > > > > > > > > function OAS_NORMAL(pos) { > > > > > > > > > > > > document.write('<A HREF= " ' + OAS_url > > > > + 'click_nx.ads/' + > > > > > OAS_sitepage + '/1' + OAS_rns + '@' + OAS_listpos + '!' + pos > + > > > > > OAS_query + ' " TARGET=_top>'); > > > > > > > > > > > > document.write('<IMG SRC= " ' + OAS_url > > > > + 'adstream_nx.ads/' > > > > > + OAS_sitepage + '/1' + OAS_rns + '@' + OAS_listpos + '!' + > > pos + > > > > > OAS_query + ' " BORDER=0 ALT= " Click! 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Guest guest Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 See Bhaskar Ji, What I wrote in my 3-4 mails can be proved by this incident cited by Prashant ji. (1) So it was not A-Kaal Mrityu, because it could be predicted even before her birth. It was only A-Kaal Mrityu in the eyes of mortals. (2) Births and deaths can be predicted by good astrologers. If you have read Vaalmeeki Raamaayan, Dasharath was worried about his children, but at the same Sumantra knew that he will surely have four sons and those will also be born by the Yagya performed by Rishyashring Muni. So this shows that he had four sons in his fate, and the Nimitta was Rishyashring Muni. And as per his fate, he did not try to do this Yagya before the certain time of his life (this means that he could not enjoy children before this time). So everything is fixed - one cannot get anything before time and more than what is written in his fate. With regards Sushma , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > > Nikit, > > It is possible to say one will have tendencies for a unaural death, untimely death etc > these depend on their Karma and family that they r bon into [their collective karma] sometimes a window of hope is there, by some prayers, or some councelling etc and a close shave or call whatever it may be may happen, in most cases it won't stop the event > > an astrologers job is to identify them and let the family know of it, it is possible, but it will be a v heavy heart that one can put this, in a way suggesting remedies is a blessing to say we have told u and reduce their shock level > > I can give u an example > > female born on 7/5/96, 7.35 am Hyd > > I had to her father long beofre say in 1982 that irrespective of how many kids he may have 1st will be a girl and it may not last, > he dismissed it and even ridiculed it saying for generations the 1st born in their family is male so forget it > the girls 4th b'day was was celebrated in our house > > on June 11 99 at 3.09 pm her mother opened the grill door and main door to let the servant in and she went to the terrace to bring the clothes up to dry, > this child climbed [wet hands] the grill door to press the bell as kids like climbing heights esp grills, and playing with the calling bell etc > > as she did try it and was barefoot on the grill and the live wires to the bell were exposed she contacted it and was electrocuted on the spot and fell down dead > this prediction as such I was right, but did it give me happiness no as it brough the family to a lot of grief > > girl is a cousin of mine. > > my uncle who had faith in some astrologers who said many goood things of him never felt I can be right till this happened > > in spite of giving him a prediction 3 yrs before that he will resign on a particular day the next job will see him grow hell a lot > > from 3k a month for past 8 yrs he got a job on the said date for 9k and in 3 months became 12k now earns some lak plus a month] > > nothing impressed him, but this is no prediction to give anyone happiness does it? > I can cite more such examples if it helps > > for everyone it looks akala mrityu a asntrolger it is kala mrityu > [that was all she had if u see her chart and 22nd drekkana- death by water] > > best wishes > > > > > > astroiniket <astroiniket wrote: bhaskarji, > In simple words:(what i understand) > 1. Mritu:(natural death)- if happen by some illness, or sudden > without any known cause called Mritue or naturaly when age is > completed it may completed in any age(can be calculated , governed by > planets) > > 2. AkalMritu:- when some accident happen, suside happen, but as per > planets age is remaining, it depends on Natural disasters included > war or terrorism etc. purely base on desh kaal and paristhity, when > deth come in mass distruction , you can include that. > > for example : A candle you lite , it have avrage 2 hrs life, but some > chield blow air, or storm come or some one make through it. > > i may be wrong but this is my opinion and thoughts. > > rgds > niket > > , " Bhaskar " > <rajiventerprises@> wrote: > > > > Dear sushmaji, > > > > I have heard of 2 terms ,but do not > > know the meaning exactly, and hope you > > can guide me on this . > > > > 1) Mrityu > > 2) Akaal mrityu. > > > > Can you guide me to the difference in > > both these mrityus ? > > Also let me know, whether both of thse > > are destined ? > > > > rgrds, > > Bhaskar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 Madam Sushmaji, there are many ways in which the destined longevity of a person , can be cut short, and there are many ways in which the destined fate can be made better, but this can happen only with real men and not with ordinary pansies. I will not prsesent the ways for cutting someones longevity or for increasing the longevity, or for bettering the destiny. I need a Supatra to explain all this. There is nothing like impossible in this world. All Birth and all deaths cannot be predicted even by good astrologers. Flukes is a seperate matter. rgrds/Bhaskar. , " bhagvatjee " <bhagvatjee wrote: > > > See Bhaskar Ji, > What I wrote in my 3-4 mails can be proved by this incident cited by > Prashant ji. > (1) So it was not A-Kaal Mrityu, because it could be predicted even > before her birth. It was only A-Kaal Mrityu in the eyes of mortals. > > (2) Births and deaths can be predicted by good astrologers. If you > have read Vaalmeeki Raamaayan, Dasharath was worried about his > children, but at the same Sumantra knew that he will surely have four > sons and those will also be born by the Yagya performed by > Rishyashring Muni. So this shows that he had four sons in his fate, > and the Nimitta was Rishyashring Muni. And as per his fate, he did > not try to do this Yagya before the certain time of his life (this > means that he could not enjoy children before this time). > > So everything is fixed - one cannot get anything before time and more > than what is written in his fate. > With regards > Sushma > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > Nikit, > > > > It is possible to say one will have tendencies for a unaural death, > untimely death etc > > these depend on their Karma and family that they r bon into [their > collective karma] sometimes a window of hope is there, by some > prayers, or some councelling etc and a close shave or call whatever > it may be may happen, in most cases it won't stop the event > > > > an astrologers job is to identify them and let the family know of > it, it is possible, but it will be a v heavy heart that one can put > this, in a way suggesting remedies is a blessing to say we have told > u and reduce their shock level > > > > I can give u an example > > > > female born on 7/5/96, 7.35 am Hyd > > > > I had to her father long beofre say in 1982 that irrespective of > how many kids he may have 1st will be a girl and it may not last, > > he dismissed it and even ridiculed it saying for generations the > 1st born in their family is male so forget it > > the girls 4th b'day was was celebrated in our house > > > > on June 11 99 at 3.09 pm her mother opened the grill door and main > door to let the servant in and she went to the terrace to bring the > clothes up to dry, > > this child climbed [wet hands] the grill door to press the bell as > kids like climbing heights esp grills, and playing with the calling > bell etc > > > > as she did try it and was barefoot on the grill and the live wires > to the bell were exposed she contacted it and was electrocuted on the > spot and fell down dead > > this prediction as such I was right, but did it give me happiness > no as it brough the family to a lot of grief > > > > girl is a cousin of mine. > > > > my uncle who had faith in some astrologers who said many goood > things of him never felt I can be right till this happened > > > > in spite of giving him a prediction 3 yrs before that he will > resign on a particular day the next job will see him grow hell a lot > > > > from 3k a month for past 8 yrs he got a job on the said date for 9k > and in 3 months became 12k now earns some lak plus a month] > > > > nothing impressed him, but this is no prediction to give anyone > happiness does it? > > I can cite more such examples if it helps > > > > for everyone it looks akala mrityu a asntrolger it is kala mrityu > > [that was all she had if u see her chart and 22nd drekkana- death > by water] > > > > best wishes > > > > > > > > > > > > astroiniket <astroiniket@> wrote: > bhaskarji, > > In simple words:(what i understand) > > 1. Mritu:(natural death)- if happen by some illness, or sudden > > without any known cause called Mritue or naturaly when age is > > completed it may completed in any age(can be calculated , governed > by > > planets) > > > > 2. AkalMritu:- when some accident happen, suside happen, but as > per > > planets age is remaining, it depends on Natural disasters included > > war or terrorism etc. purely base on desh kaal and paristhity, > when > > deth come in mass distruction , you can include that. > > > > for example : A candle you lite , it have avrage 2 hrs life, but > some > > chield blow air, or storm come or some one make through it. > > > > i may be wrong but this is my opinion and thoughts. > > > > rgds > > niket > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > <rajiventerprises@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear sushmaji, > > > > > > I have heard of 2 terms ,but do not > > > know the meaning exactly, and hope you > > > can guide me on this . > > > > > > 1) Mrityu > > > 2) Akaal mrityu. > > > > > > Can you guide me to the difference in > > > both these mrityus ? > > > Also let me know, whether both of thse > > > are destined ? > > > > > > rgrds, > > > Bhaskar. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 Dear Sushma ji, What is your opinion about Bhisma Pitamah who waited for his Mritu till Uttarayan and about Savitri who could be able to alive his dead husband again.Ok,fate is final but atleast we can fight to him and astrological remedies do the same.To get success or faliure is another matter. Regards Ratnaakar bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee wrote: See Bhaskar Ji, What I wrote in my 3-4 mails can be proved by this incident cited by Prashant ji. (1) So it was not A-Kaal Mrityu, because it could be predicted even before her birth. It was only A-Kaal Mrityu in the eyes of mortals. (2) Births and deaths can be predicted by good astrologers. If you have read Vaalmeeki Raamaayan, Dasharath was worried about his children, but at the same Sumantra knew that he will surely have four sons and those will also be born by the Yagya performed by Rishyashring Muni. So this shows that he had four sons in his fate, and the Nimitta was Rishyashring Muni. And as per his fate, he did not try to do this Yagya before the certain time of his life (this means that he could not enjoy children before this time). So everything is fixed - one cannot get anything before time and more than what is written in his fate. With regards Sushma , Prashant Kumar G B wrote: > > Nikit, > > It is possible to say one will have tendencies for a unaural death, untimely death etc > these depend on their Karma and family that they r bon into [their collective karma] sometimes a window of hope is there, by some prayers, or some councelling etc and a close shave or call whatever it may be may happen, in most cases it won't stop the event > > an astrologers job is to identify them and let the family know of it, it is possible, but it will be a v heavy heart that one can put this, in a way suggesting remedies is a blessing to say we have told u and reduce their shock level > > I can give u an example > > female born on 7/5/96, 7.35 am Hyd > > I had to her father long beofre say in 1982 that irrespective of how many kids he may have 1st will be a girl and it may not last, > he dismissed it and even ridiculed it saying for generations the 1st born in their family is male so forget it > the girls 4th b'day was was celebrated in our house > > on June 11 99 at 3.09 pm her mother opened the grill door and main door to let the servant in and she went to the terrace to bring the clothes up to dry, > this child climbed [wet hands] the grill door to press the bell as kids like climbing heights esp grills, and playing with the calling bell etc > > as she did try it and was barefoot on the grill and the live wires to the bell were exposed she contacted it and was electrocuted on the spot and fell down dead > this prediction as such I was right, but did it give me happiness no as it brough the family to a lot of grief > > girl is a cousin of mine. > > my uncle who had faith in some astrologers who said many goood things of him never felt I can be right till this happened > > in spite of giving him a prediction 3 yrs before that he will resign on a particular day the next job will see him grow hell a lot > > from 3k a month for past 8 yrs he got a job on the said date for 9k and in 3 months became 12k now earns some lak plus a month] > > nothing impressed him, but this is no prediction to give anyone happiness does it? > I can cite more such examples if it helps > > for everyone it looks akala mrityu a asntrolger it is kala mrityu > [that was all she had if u see her chart and 22nd drekkana- death by water] > > best wishes > > > > > > astroiniket wrote: bhaskarji, > In simple words:(what i understand) > 1. Mritu:(natural death)- if happen by some illness, or sudden > without any known cause called Mritue or naturaly when age is > completed it may completed in any age(can be calculated , governed by > planets) > > 2. AkalMritu:- when some accident happen, suside happen, but as per > planets age is remaining, it depends on Natural disasters included > war or terrorism etc. purely base on desh kaal and paristhity, when > deth come in mass distruction , you can include that. > > for example : A candle you lite , it have avrage 2 hrs life, but some > chield blow air, or storm come or some one make through it. > > i may be wrong but this is my opinion and thoughts. > > rgds > niket > > , " Bhaskar " > wrote: > > > > Dear sushmaji, > > > > I have heard of 2 terms ,but do not > > know the meaning exactly, and hope you > > can guide me on this . > > > > 1) Mrityu > > 2) Akaal mrityu. > > > > Can you guide me to the difference in > > both these mrityus ? > > Also let me know, whether both of thse > > are destined ? > > > > rgrds, > > Bhaskar. --- SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 Good.I had that same example in mind to put in front of Sushmaji, Plus many more, but it prolongs the discussion, so I overruled putting it. even today there are many ladies like Savitri and many men like harischandra, but only the fortunates can meet hem. Bhaskar. , Ratnaakar <namra_nivedan wrote: > > Dear Sushma ji, > What is your opinion about Bhisma Pitamah who waited > for his Mritu till Uttarayan and about Savitri who could be > able to alive his dead husband again.Ok,fate is final but > atleast we can fight to him and astrological remedies do > the same.To get success or faliure is another matter. > > Regards > Ratnaakar > > > bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee wrote: > > See Bhaskar Ji, > What I wrote in my 3-4 mails can be proved by this incident cited by > Prashant ji. > (1) So it was not A-Kaal Mrityu, because it could be predicted even > before her birth. It was only A-Kaal Mrityu in the eyes of mortals. > > (2) Births and deaths can be predicted by good astrologers. If you > have read Vaalmeeki Raamaayan, Dasharath was worried about his > children, but at the same Sumantra knew that he will surely have four > sons and those will also be born by the Yagya performed by > Rishyashring Muni. So this shows that he had four sons in his fate, > and the Nimitta was Rishyashring Muni. And as per his fate, he did > not try to do this Yagya before the certain time of his life (this > means that he could not enjoy children before this time). > > So everything is fixed - one cannot get anything before time and more > than what is written in his fate. > With regards > Sushma > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > wrote: > > > > Nikit, > > > > It is possible to say one will have tendencies for a unaural death, > untimely death etc > > these depend on their Karma and family that they r bon into [their > collective karma] sometimes a window of hope is there, by some > prayers, or some councelling etc and a close shave or call whatever > it may be may happen, in most cases it won't stop the event > > > > an astrologers job is to identify them and let the family know of > it, it is possible, but it will be a v heavy heart that one can put > this, in a way suggesting remedies is a blessing to say we have told > u and reduce their shock level > > > > I can give u an example > > > > female born on 7/5/96, 7.35 am Hyd > > > > I had to her father long beofre say in 1982 that irrespective of > how many kids he may have 1st will be a girl and it may not last, > > he dismissed it and even ridiculed it saying for generations the > 1st born in their family is male so forget it > > the girls 4th b'day was was celebrated in our house > > > > on June 11 99 at 3.09 pm her mother opened the grill door and main > door to let the servant in and she went to the terrace to bring the > clothes up to dry, > > this child climbed [wet hands] the grill door to press the bell as > kids like climbing heights esp grills, and playing with the calling > bell etc > > > > as she did try it and was barefoot on the grill and the live wires > to the bell were exposed she contacted it and was electrocuted on the > spot and fell down dead > > this prediction as such I was right, but did it give me happiness > no as it brough the family to a lot of grief > > > > girl is a cousin of mine. > > > > my uncle who had faith in some astrologers who said many goood > things of him never felt I can be right till this happened > > > > in spite of giving him a prediction 3 yrs before that he will > resign on a particular day the next job will see him grow hell a lot > > > > from 3k a month for past 8 yrs he got a job on the said date for 9k > and in 3 months became 12k now earns some lak plus a month] > > > > nothing impressed him, but this is no prediction to give anyone > happiness does it? > > I can cite more such examples if it helps > > > > for everyone it looks akala mrityu a asntrolger it is kala mrityu > > [that was all she had if u see her chart and 22nd drekkana- death > by water] > > > > best wishes > > > > > > > > > > > > astroiniket wrote: > bhaskarji, > > In simple words:(what i understand) > > 1. Mritu:(natural death)- if happen by some illness, or sudden > > without any known cause called Mritue or naturaly when age is > > completed it may completed in any age(can be calculated , governed > by > > planets) > > > > 2. AkalMritu:- when some accident happen, suside happen, but as > per > > planets age is remaining, it depends on Natural disasters included > > war or terrorism etc. purely base on desh kaal and paristhity, > when > > deth come in mass distruction , you can include that. > > > > for example : A candle you lite , it have avrage 2 hrs life, but > some > > chield blow air, or storm come or some one make through it. > > > > i may be wrong but this is my opinion and thoughts. > > > > rgds > > niket > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear sushmaji, > > > > > > I have heard of 2 terms ,but do not > > > know the meaning exactly, and hope you > > > can guide me on this . > > > > > > 1) Mrityu > > > 2) Akaal mrityu. > > > > > > Can you guide me to the difference in > > > both these mrityus ? > > > Also let me know, whether both of thse > > > are destined ? > > > > > > rgrds, > > > Bhaskar. > > > --- > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 Truly,if some one became critically ill in the family, so to think the result of his karma we should not try to cure him or if enemy army attack on our country, in such case we kept on waiting persuming the result of our Karma.We will have to fight definitely. Ratnaakar Bhaskar <rajiventerprises wrote: Good.I had that same example in mind to put in front of Sushmaji, Plus many more, but it prolongs the discussion, so I overruled putting it. even today there are many ladies like Savitri and many men like harischandra, but only the fortunates can meet hem. Bhaskar. , Ratnaakar wrote: > > Dear Sushma ji, > What is your opinion about Bhisma Pitamah who waited > for his Mritu till Uttarayan and about Savitri who could be > able to alive his dead husband again.Ok,fate is final but > atleast we can fight to him and astrological remedies do > the same.To get success or faliure is another matter. > > Regards > Ratnaakar > > > bhagvatjee wrote: > > See Bhaskar Ji, > What I wrote in my 3-4 mails can be proved by this incident cited by > Prashant ji. > (1) So it was not A-Kaal Mrityu, because it could be predicted even > before her birth. It was only A-Kaal Mrityu in the eyes of mortals. > > (2) Births and deaths can be predicted by good astrologers. If you > have read Vaalmeeki Raamaayan, Dasharath was worried about his > children, but at the same Sumantra knew that he will surely have four > sons and those will also be born by the Yagya performed by > Rishyashring Muni. So this shows that he had four sons in his fate, > and the Nimitta was Rishyashring Muni. And as per his fate, he did > not try to do this Yagya before the certain time of his life (this > means that he could not enjoy children before this time). > > So everything is fixed - one cannot get anything before time and more > than what is written in his fate. > With regards > Sushma > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > wrote: > > > > Nikit, > > > > It is possible to say one will have tendencies for a unaural death, > untimely death etc > > these depend on their Karma and family that they r bon into [their > collective karma] sometimes a window of hope is there, by some > prayers, or some councelling etc and a close shave or call whatever > it may be may happen, in most cases it won't stop the event > > > > an astrologers job is to identify them and let the family know of > it, it is possible, but it will be a v heavy heart that one can put > this, in a way suggesting remedies is a blessing to say we have told > u and reduce their shock level > > > > I can give u an example > > > > female born on 7/5/96, 7.35 am Hyd > > > > I had to her father long beofre say in 1982 that irrespective of > how many kids he may have 1st will be a girl and it may not last, > > he dismissed it and even ridiculed it saying for generations the > 1st born in their family is male so forget it > > the girls 4th b'day was was celebrated in our house > > > > on June 11 99 at 3.09 pm her mother opened the grill door and main > door to let the servant in and she went to the terrace to bring the > clothes up to dry, > > this child climbed [wet hands] the grill door to press the bell as > kids like climbing heights esp grills, and playing with the calling > bell etc > > > > as she did try it and was barefoot on the grill and the live wires > to the bell were exposed she contacted it and was electrocuted on the > spot and fell down dead > > this prediction as such I was right, but did it give me happiness > no as it brough the family to a lot of grief > > > > girl is a cousin of mine. > > > > my uncle who had faith in some astrologers who said many goood > things of him never felt I can be right till this happened > > > > in spite of giving him a prediction 3 yrs before that he will > resign on a particular day the next job will see him grow hell a lot > > > > from 3k a month for past 8 yrs he got a job on the said date for 9k > and in 3 months became 12k now earns some lak plus a month] > > > > nothing impressed him, but this is no prediction to give anyone > happiness does it? > > I can cite more such examples if it helps > > > > for everyone it looks akala mrityu a asntrolger it is kala mrityu > > [that was all she had if u see her chart and 22nd drekkana- death > by water] > > > > best wishes > > > > > > > > > > > > astroiniket wrote: > bhaskarji, > > In simple words:(what i understand) > > 1. Mritu:(natural death)- if happen by some illness, or sudden > > without any known cause called Mritue or naturaly when age is > > completed it may completed in any age(can be calculated , governed > by > > planets) > > > > 2. AkalMritu:- when some accident happen, suside happen, but as > per > > planets age is remaining, it depends on Natural disasters included > > war or terrorism etc. purely base on desh kaal and paristhity, > when > > deth come in mass distruction , you can include that. > > > > for example : A candle you lite , it have avrage 2 hrs life, but > some > > chield blow air, or storm come or some one make through it. > > > > i may be wrong but this is my opinion and thoughts. > > > > rgds > > niket > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear sushmaji, > > > > > > I have heard of 2 terms ,but do not > > > know the meaning exactly, and hope you > > > can guide me on this . > > > > > > 1) Mrityu > > > 2) Akaal mrityu. > > > > > > Can you guide me to the difference in > > > both these mrityus ? > > > Also let me know, whether both of thse > > > are destined ? > > > > > > rgrds, > > > Bhaskar. > > > --- > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 Dear Bhaskar Ji Thanks for your quick reply. I have heard this that " One can change his fate to the worse, or better. " But I did not believe it because of believing in Karm's theory. But since you say this with your personal knowledge and experience, I will have to believe, because I believe in you. If you consider me as a Supaatra for that, please make me your disciple. I am a very pious lady and will not let you down. I am really interested in it from the bottom of my heart. I am fascinated with this idea, because I have never thought about it. The second thing - you yourself wrote that you know three astrologers who could predict birth and death, then how do you say this that all births and deaths cannot be predicted even by good astrologers - flukes is a separate matter? Hope you will reply, With regards Sushma , " Bhaskar " <rajiventerprises wrote: > > Madam Sushmaji, > > there are many ways in which the destined > longevity of a person , can be cut > short, and there are many ways in which > the destined fate can be made better, but > this can happen only with real men and not > with ordinary pansies. I will not > prsesent the ways for cutting > someones longevity or for increasing > the longevity, or for bettering the > destiny. I need a Supatra to explain all > this. > > There is nothing like impossible in this world. > > All Birth and all deaths cannot be predicted > even by good astrologers. > Flukes is a seperate matter. > > rgrds/Bhaskar. > > > > > , " bhagvatjee " > <bhagvatjee@> wrote: > > > > > > See Bhaskar Ji, > > What I wrote in my 3-4 mails can be proved by this incident cited > by > > Prashant ji. > > (1) So it was not A-Kaal Mrityu, because it could be predicted > even > > before her birth. It was only A-Kaal Mrityu in the eyes of mortals. > > > > (2) Births and deaths can be predicted by good astrologers. If you > > have read Vaalmeeki Raamaayan, Dasharath was worried about his > > children, but at the same Sumantra knew that he will surely have > four > > sons and those will also be born by the Yagya performed by > > Rishyashring Muni. So this shows that he had four sons in his > fate, > > and the Nimitta was Rishyashring Muni. And as per his fate, he did > > not try to do this Yagya before the certain time of his life (this > > means that he could not enjoy children before this time). > > > > So everything is fixed - one cannot get anything before time and > more > > than what is written in his fate. > > With regards > > Sushma > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > Nikit, > > > > > > It is possible to say one will have tendencies for a unaural > death, > > untimely death etc > > > these depend on their Karma and family that they r bon into > [their > > collective karma] sometimes a window of hope is there, by some > > prayers, or some councelling etc and a close shave or call > whatever > > it may be may happen, in most cases it won't stop the event > > > > > > an astrologers job is to identify them and let the family know > of > > it, it is possible, but it will be a v heavy heart that one can > put > > this, in a way suggesting remedies is a blessing to say we have > told > > u and reduce their shock level > > > > > > I can give u an example > > > > > > female born on 7/5/96, 7.35 am Hyd > > > > > > I had to her father long beofre say in 1982 that irrespective of > > how many kids he may have 1st will be a girl and it may not last, > > > he dismissed it and even ridiculed it saying for generations the > > 1st born in their family is male so forget it > > > the girls 4th b'day was was celebrated in our house > > > > > > on June 11 99 at 3.09 pm her mother opened the grill door and > main > > door to let the servant in and she went to the terrace to bring > the > > clothes up to dry, > > > this child climbed [wet hands] the grill door to press the bell > as > > kids like climbing heights esp grills, and playing with the > calling > > bell etc > > > > > > as she did try it and was barefoot on the grill and the live > wires > > to the bell were exposed she contacted it and was electrocuted on > the > > spot and fell down dead > > > this prediction as such I was right, but did it give me > happiness > > no as it brough the family to a lot of grief > > > > > > girl is a cousin of mine. > > > > > > my uncle who had faith in some astrologers who said many goood > > things of him never felt I can be right till this happened > > > > > > in spite of giving him a prediction 3 yrs before that he will > > resign on a particular day the next job will see him grow hell a > lot > > > > > > from 3k a month for past 8 yrs he got a job on the said date for > 9k > > and in 3 months became 12k now earns some lak plus a month] > > > > > > nothing impressed him, but this is no prediction to give anyone > > happiness does it? > > > I can cite more such examples if it helps > > > > > > for everyone it looks akala mrityu a asntrolger it is kala mrityu > > > [that was all she had if u see her chart and 22nd drekkana- > death > > by water] > > > > > > best wishes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astroiniket <astroiniket@> wrote: > > bhaskarji, > > > In simple words:(what i understand) > > > 1. Mritu:(natural death)- if happen by some illness, or sudden > > > without any known cause called Mritue or naturaly when age is > > > completed it may completed in any age(can be calculated , > governed > > by > > > planets) > > > > > > 2. AkalMritu:- when some accident happen, suside happen, but as > > per > > > planets age is remaining, it depends on Natural disasters > included > > > war or terrorism etc. purely base on desh kaal and paristhity, > > when > > > deth come in mass distruction , you can include that. > > > > > > for example : A candle you lite , it have avrage 2 hrs life, > but > > some > > > chield blow air, or storm come or some one make through it. > > > > > > i may be wrong but this is my opinion and thoughts. > > > > > > rgds > > > niket > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > <rajiventerprises@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear sushmaji, > > > > > > > > I have heard of 2 terms ,but do not > > > > know the meaning exactly, and hope you > > > > can guide me on this . > > > > > > > > 1) Mrityu > > > > 2) Akaal mrityu. > > > > > > > > Can you guide me to the difference in > > > > both these mrityus ? > > > > Also let me know, whether both of thse > > > > are destined ? > > > > > > > > rgrds, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 Dear Sushma ji, You are a lady and it is explained in our sages that before marriage father is the Guru of her and after marriage her husband is the only Guru of one lady. And in present Kali-Kaal plz do not search for Guru & do surrender in the lotus feet of Hanuman Ji for Gurutawa as " JAI JAI HANUMAN GOSAAI KRIPAA KAREHU GURUDEV KI NAAI " . Further astrology is for living persons & what is the need to know about the time death? To do good karma as same as the frequency of breath is the only way.Plz read Utter-Kand of Ramcharitmanas for removing all confusions.But it is sure that no one can increase a single breath of one in terrible Kali-Kaal. Regards Ratnaakar bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee wrote: Dear Bhaskar Ji Thanks for your quick reply. I have heard this that " One can change his fate to the worse, or better. " But I did not believe it because of believing in Karm's theory. But since you say this with your personal knowledge and experience, I will have to believe, because I believe in you. If you consider me as a Supaatra for that, please make me your disciple. I am a very pious lady and will not let you down. I am really interested in it from the bottom of my heart. I am fascinated with this idea, because I have never thought about it. The second thing - you yourself wrote that you know three astrologers who could predict birth and death, then how do you say this that all births and deaths cannot be predicted even by good astrologers - flukes is a separate matter? Hope you will reply, With regards Sushma , " Bhaskar " wrote: > > Madam Sushmaji, > > there are many ways in which the destined > longevity of a person , can be cut > short, and there are many ways in which > the destined fate can be made better, but > this can happen only with real men and not > with ordinary pansies. I will not > prsesent the ways for cutting > someones longevity or for increasing > the longevity, or for bettering the > destiny. I need a Supatra to explain all > this. > > There is nothing like impossible in this world. > > All Birth and all deaths cannot be predicted > even by good astrologers. > Flukes is a seperate matter. > > rgrds/Bhaskar. > > > > > , " bhagvatjee " > wrote: > > > > > > See Bhaskar Ji, > > What I wrote in my 3-4 mails can be proved by this incident cited > by > > Prashant ji. > > (1) So it was not A-Kaal Mrityu, because it could be predicted > even > > before her birth. It was only A-Kaal Mrityu in the eyes of mortals. > > > > (2) Births and deaths can be predicted by good astrologers. If you > > have read Vaalmeeki Raamaayan, Dasharath was worried about his > > children, but at the same Sumantra knew that he will surely have > four > > sons and those will also be born by the Yagya performed by > > Rishyashring Muni. So this shows that he had four sons in his > fate, > > and the Nimitta was Rishyashring Muni. And as per his fate, he did > > not try to do this Yagya before the certain time of his life (this > > means that he could not enjoy children before this time). > > > > So everything is fixed - one cannot get anything before time and > more > > than what is written in his fate. > > With regards > > Sushma > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > wrote: > > > > > > Nikit, > > > > > > It is possible to say one will have tendencies for a unaural > death, > > untimely death etc > > > these depend on their Karma and family that they r bon into > [their > > collective karma] sometimes a window of hope is there, by some > > prayers, or some councelling etc and a close shave or call > whatever > > it may be may happen, in most cases it won't stop the event > > > > > > an astrologers job is to identify them and let the family know > of > > it, it is possible, but it will be a v heavy heart that one can > put > > this, in a way suggesting remedies is a blessing to say we have > told > > u and reduce their shock level > > > > > > I can give u an example > > > > > > female born on 7/5/96, 7.35 am Hyd > > > > > > I had to her father long beofre say in 1982 that irrespective of > > how many kids he may have 1st will be a girl and it may not last, > > > he dismissed it and even ridiculed it saying for generations the > > 1st born in their family is male so forget it > > > the girls 4th b'day was was celebrated in our house > > > > > > on June 11 99 at 3.09 pm her mother opened the grill door and > main > > door to let the servant in and she went to the terrace to bring > the > > clothes up to dry, > > > this child climbed [wet hands] the grill door to press the bell > as > > kids like climbing heights esp grills, and playing with the > calling > > bell etc > > > > > > as she did try it and was barefoot on the grill and the live > wires > > to the bell were exposed she contacted it and was electrocuted on > the > > spot and fell down dead > > > this prediction as such I was right, but did it give me > happiness > > no as it brough the family to a lot of grief > > > > > > girl is a cousin of mine. > > > > > > my uncle who had faith in some astrologers who said many goood > > things of him never felt I can be right till this happened > > > > > > in spite of giving him a prediction 3 yrs before that he will > > resign on a particular day the next job will see him grow hell a > lot > > > > > > from 3k a month for past 8 yrs he got a job on the said date for > 9k > > and in 3 months became 12k now earns some lak plus a month] > > > > > > nothing impressed him, but this is no prediction to give anyone > > happiness does it? > > > I can cite more such examples if it helps > > > > > > for everyone it looks akala mrityu a asntrolger it is kala mrityu > > > [that was all she had if u see her chart and 22nd drekkana- > death > > by water] > > > > > > best wishes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astroiniket wrote: > > bhaskarji, > > > In simple words:(what i understand) > > > 1. Mritu:(natural death)- if happen by some illness, or sudden > > > without any known cause called Mritue or naturaly when age is > > > completed it may completed in any age(can be calculated , > governed > > by > > > planets) > > > > > > 2. AkalMritu:- when some accident happen, suside happen, but as > > per > > > planets age is remaining, it depends on Natural disasters > included > > > war or terrorism etc. purely base on desh kaal and paristhity, > > when > > > deth come in mass distruction , you can include that. > > > > > > for example : A candle you lite , it have avrage 2 hrs life, > but > > some > > > chield blow air, or storm come or some one make through it. > > > > > > i may be wrong but this is my opinion and thoughts. > > > > > > rgds > > > niket > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear sushmaji, > > > > > > > > I have heard of 2 terms ,but do not > > > > know the meaning exactly, and hope you > > > > can guide me on this . > > > > > > > > 1) Mrityu > > > > 2) Akaal mrityu. > > > > > > > > Can you guide me to the difference in > > > > both these mrityus ? > > > > Also let me know, whether both of thse > > > > are destined ? > > > > > > > > rgrds, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > --- SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. 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Guest guest Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 Dear Sushmaji, believe me, when I say that one can increase his Life, by slowing down his breaths with a particluar Yogic kriya, which only few of us can do, but very much possible. There are other ways too, to incraese ones Life span. In same way there are many ways to decrease ones normal life span. Now one can argue that this all must be written in the persons horoscope that he would do this. Now theres no answer for this argument. Becaue no one can prove this.There are many secrets of such subjects, which are not proper to be written in a public Forum. I am nobody not to consider you a " Supaatra " . I am not equipped enogh, tobecome anyones Guru,or make anyone my Disciple. Neither in field of Spirituality, and neither in field of astrology. I will no more be able to continue this discussionb, because I am occupied with my professional activities. best wishes, Bhaskar. , " bhagvatjee " <bhagvatjee wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar Ji > Thanks for your quick reply. I have heard this that " One can change > his fate to the worse, or better. " But I did not believe it because > of believing in Karm's theory. But since you say this with your > personal knowledge and experience, I will have to believe, because I > believe in you. > > If you consider me as a Supaatra for that, please make me your > disciple. I am a very pious lady and will not let you down. I am > really interested in it from the bottom of my heart. I am fascinated > with this idea, because I have never thought about it. > > The second thing - you yourself wrote that you know three astrologers > who could predict birth and death, then how do you say this that all > births and deaths cannot be predicted even by good astrologers - > flukes is a separate matter? > > Hope you will reply, > With regards > Sushma > > > , " Bhaskar " > <rajiventerprises@> wrote: > > > > Madam Sushmaji, > > > > there are many ways in which the destined > > longevity of a person , can be cut > > short, and there are many ways in which > > the destined fate can be made better, but > > this can happen only with real men and not > > with ordinary pansies. I will not > > prsesent the ways for cutting > > someones longevity or for increasing > > the longevity, or for bettering the > > destiny. I need a Supatra to explain all > > this. > > > > There is nothing like impossible in this world. > > > > All Birth and all deaths cannot be predicted > > even by good astrologers. > > Flukes is a seperate matter. > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > , " bhagvatjee " > > <bhagvatjee@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > See Bhaskar Ji, > > > What I wrote in my 3-4 mails can be proved by this incident cited > > by > > > Prashant ji. > > > (1) So it was not A-Kaal Mrityu, because it could be predicted > > even > > > before her birth. It was only A-Kaal Mrityu in the eyes of > mortals. > > > > > > (2) Births and deaths can be predicted by good astrologers. If > you > > > have read Vaalmeeki Raamaayan, Dasharath was worried about his > > > children, but at the same Sumantra knew that he will surely have > > four > > > sons and those will also be born by the Yagya performed by > > > Rishyashring Muni. So this shows that he had four sons in his > > fate, > > > and the Nimitta was Rishyashring Muni. And as per his fate, he > did > > > not try to do this Yagya before the certain time of his life > (this > > > means that he could not enjoy children before this time). > > > > > > So everything is fixed - one cannot get anything before time and > > more > > > than what is written in his fate. > > > With regards > > > Sushma > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nikit, > > > > > > > > It is possible to say one will have tendencies for a unaural > > death, > > > untimely death etc > > > > these depend on their Karma and family that they r bon into > > [their > > > collective karma] sometimes a window of hope is there, by some > > > prayers, or some councelling etc and a close shave or call > > whatever > > > it may be may happen, in most cases it won't stop the event > > > > > > > > an astrologers job is to identify them and let the family know > > of > > > it, it is possible, but it will be a v heavy heart that one can > > put > > > this, in a way suggesting remedies is a blessing to say we have > > told > > > u and reduce their shock level > > > > > > > > I can give u an example > > > > > > > > female born on 7/5/96, 7.35 am Hyd > > > > > > > > I had to her father long beofre say in 1982 that irrespective > of > > > how many kids he may have 1st will be a girl and it may not last, > > > > he dismissed it and even ridiculed it saying for generations > the > > > 1st born in their family is male so forget it > > > > the girls 4th b'day was was celebrated in our house > > > > > > > > on June 11 99 at 3.09 pm her mother opened the grill door and > > main > > > door to let the servant in and she went to the terrace to bring > > the > > > clothes up to dry, > > > > this child climbed [wet hands] the grill door to press the bell > > as > > > kids like climbing heights esp grills, and playing with the > > calling > > > bell etc > > > > > > > > as she did try it and was barefoot on the grill and the live > > wires > > > to the bell were exposed she contacted it and was electrocuted on > > the > > > spot and fell down dead > > > > this prediction as such I was right, but did it give me > > happiness > > > no as it brough the family to a lot of grief > > > > > > > > girl is a cousin of mine. > > > > > > > > my uncle who had faith in some astrologers who said many goood > > > things of him never felt I can be right till this happened > > > > > > > > in spite of giving him a prediction 3 yrs before that he will > > > resign on a particular day the next job will see him grow hell a > > lot > > > > > > > > from 3k a month for past 8 yrs he got a job on the said date > for > > 9k > > > and in 3 months became 12k now earns some lak plus a month] > > > > > > > > nothing impressed him, but this is no prediction to give anyone > > > happiness does it? > > > > I can cite more such examples if it helps > > > > > > > > for everyone it looks akala mrityu a asntrolger it is kala > mrityu > > > > [that was all she had if u see her chart and 22nd drekkana- > > death > > > by water] > > > > > > > > best wishes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astroiniket <astroiniket@> wrote: > > > bhaskarji, > > > > In simple words:(what i understand) > > > > 1. Mritu:(natural death)- if happen by some illness, or sudden > > > > without any known cause called Mritue or naturaly when age is > > > > completed it may completed in any age(can be calculated , > > governed > > > by > > > > planets) > > > > > > > > 2. AkalMritu:- when some accident happen, suside happen, but > as > > > per > > > > planets age is remaining, it depends on Natural disasters > > included > > > > war or terrorism etc. purely base on desh kaal and paristhity, > > > when > > > > deth come in mass distruction , you can include that. > > > > > > > > for example : A candle you lite , it have avrage 2 hrs life, > > but > > > some > > > > chield blow air, or storm come or some one make through it. > > > > > > > > i may be wrong but this is my opinion and thoughts. > > > > > > > > rgds > > > > niket > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > > <rajiventerprises@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear sushmaji, > > > > > > > > > > I have heard of 2 terms ,but do not > > > > > know the meaning exactly, and hope you > > > > > can guide me on this . > > > > > > > > > > 1) Mrityu > > > > > 2) Akaal mrityu. > > > > > > > > > > Can you guide me to the difference in > > > > > both these mrityus ? > > > > > Also let me know, whether both of thse > > > > > are destined ? > > > > > > > > > > rgrds, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 Dear Bhaskarji, I sometimes wonder how you can be both sublime and mundane at the same time. You have wonderful capabilities. Just keep it up and rid yourself of the mundane matters. Just concentrate on your strength, and leave everything else to God's grace. I wish you well. regards, Narsingh , " Bhaskar " <rajiventerprises wrote: > > Dear Sushmaji, > > believe me, when I say that one can > increase his Life, by slowing down his breaths > with a particluar Yogic kriya, which only few > of us can do, but very much possible. > There are other ways too, to incraese > ones Life span. > In same way there are many ways to > decrease ones normal life span. > Now one can argue that this all must be > written in the persons horoscope > that he would do this. Now theres > no answer for this argument. Becaue > no one can prove this.There are many secrets > of such subjects, which are not proper > to be written in a public Forum. > > I am nobody not to consider > you a " Supaatra " . > > I am not equipped enogh, tobecome anyones > Guru,or make anyone my Disciple. Neither > in field of Spirituality, and neither in > field of astrology. > > I will no more be able to continue this > discussionb, because I am occupied with > my professional activities. > > best wishes, > Bhaskar. > > > > > > , " bhagvatjee " > <bhagvatjee@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji > > Thanks for your quick reply. I have heard this that " One can > change > > his fate to the worse, or better. " But I did not believe it > because > > of believing in Karm's theory. But since you say this with your > > personal knowledge and experience, I will have to believe, because > I > > believe in you. > > > > If you consider me as a Supaatra for that, please make me your > > disciple. I am a very pious lady and will not let you down. I am > > really interested in it from the bottom of my heart. I am > fascinated > > with this idea, because I have never thought about it. > > > > The second thing - you yourself wrote that you know three > astrologers > > who could predict birth and death, then how do you say this that > all > > births and deaths cannot be predicted even by good astrologers - > > flukes is a separate matter? > > > > Hope you will reply, > > With regards > > Sushma > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > <rajiventerprises@> wrote: > > > > > > Madam Sushmaji, > > > > > > there are many ways in which the destined > > > longevity of a person , can be cut > > > short, and there are many ways in which > > > the destined fate can be made better, but > > > this can happen only with real men and not > > > with ordinary pansies. I will not > > > prsesent the ways for cutting > > > someones longevity or for increasing > > > the longevity, or for bettering the > > > destiny. I need a Supatra to explain all > > > this. > > > > > > There is nothing like impossible in this world. > > > > > > All Birth and all deaths cannot be predicted > > > even by good astrologers. > > > Flukes is a seperate matter. > > > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " bhagvatjee " > > > <bhagvatjee@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > See Bhaskar Ji, > > > > What I wrote in my 3-4 mails can be proved by this incident > cited > > > by > > > > Prashant ji. > > > > (1) So it was not A-Kaal Mrityu, because it could be predicted > > > even > > > > before her birth. It was only A-Kaal Mrityu in the eyes of > > mortals. > > > > > > > > (2) Births and deaths can be predicted by good astrologers. If > > you > > > > have read Vaalmeeki Raamaayan, Dasharath was worried about his > > > > children, but at the same Sumantra knew that he will surely > have > > > four > > > > sons and those will also be born by the Yagya performed by > > > > Rishyashring Muni. So this shows that he had four sons in his > > > fate, > > > > and the Nimitta was Rishyashring Muni. And as per his fate, he > > did > > > > not try to do this Yagya before the certain time of his life > > (this > > > > means that he could not enjoy children before this time). > > > > > > > > So everything is fixed - one cannot get anything before time > and > > > more > > > > than what is written in his fate. > > > > With regards > > > > Sushma > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nikit, > > > > > > > > > > It is possible to say one will have tendencies for a unaural > > > death, > > > > untimely death etc > > > > > these depend on their Karma and family that they r bon into > > > [their > > > > collective karma] sometimes a window of hope is there, by some > > > > prayers, or some councelling etc and a close shave or call > > > whatever > > > > it may be may happen, in most cases it won't stop the event > > > > > > > > > > an astrologers job is to identify them and let the family > know > > > of > > > > it, it is possible, but it will be a v heavy heart that one > can > > > put > > > > this, in a way suggesting remedies is a blessing to say we > have > > > told > > > > u and reduce their shock level > > > > > > > > > > I can give u an example > > > > > > > > > > female born on 7/5/96, 7.35 am Hyd > > > > > > > > > > I had to her father long beofre say in 1982 that > irrespective > > of > > > > how many kids he may have 1st will be a girl and it may not > last, > > > > > he dismissed it and even ridiculed it saying for generations > > the > > > > 1st born in their family is male so forget it > > > > > the girls 4th b'day was was celebrated in our house > > > > > > > > > > on June 11 99 at 3.09 pm her mother opened the grill door > and > > > main > > > > door to let the servant in and she went to the terrace to > bring > > > the > > > > clothes up to dry, > > > > > this child climbed [wet hands] the grill door to press the > bell > > > as > > > > kids like climbing heights esp grills, and playing with the > > > calling > > > > bell etc > > > > > > > > > > as she did try it and was barefoot on the grill and the > live > > > wires > > > > to the bell were exposed she contacted it and was electrocuted > on > > > the > > > > spot and fell down dead > > > > > this prediction as such I was right, but did it give me > > > happiness > > > > no as it brough the family to a lot of grief > > > > > > > > > > girl is a cousin of mine. > > > > > > > > > > my uncle who had faith in some astrologers who said many > goood > > > > things of him never felt I can be right till this happened > > > > > > > > > > in spite of giving him a prediction 3 yrs before that he > will > > > > resign on a particular day the next job will see him grow hell > a > > > lot > > > > > > > > > > from 3k a month for past 8 yrs he got a job on the said date > > for > > > 9k > > > > and in 3 months became 12k now earns some lak plus a month] > > > > > > > > > > nothing impressed him, but this is no prediction to give > anyone > > > > happiness does it? > > > > > I can cite more such examples if it helps > > > > > > > > > > for everyone it looks akala mrityu a asntrolger it is kala > > mrityu > > > > > [that was all she had if u see her chart and 22nd drekkana- > > > death > > > > by water] > > > > > > > > > > best wishes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astroiniket <astroiniket@> > wrote: > > > > bhaskarji, > > > > > In simple words:(what i understand) > > > > > 1. Mritu:(natural death)- if happen by some illness, or > sudden > > > > > without any known cause called Mritue or naturaly when age > is > > > > > completed it may completed in any age(can be calculated , > > > governed > > > > by > > > > > planets) > > > > > > > > > > 2. AkalMritu:- when some accident happen, suside happen, > but > > as > > > > per > > > > > planets age is remaining, it depends on Natural disasters > > > included > > > > > war or terrorism etc. purely base on desh kaal and > paristhity, > > > > when > > > > > deth come in mass distruction , you can include that. > > > > > > > > > > for example : A candle you lite , it have avrage 2 hrs > life, > > > but > > > > some > > > > > chield blow air, or storm come or some one make through it. > > > > > > > > > > i may be wrong but this is my opinion and thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > rgds > > > > > niket > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > > > <rajiventerprises@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear sushmaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I have heard of 2 terms ,but do not > > > > > > know the meaning exactly, and hope you > > > > > > can guide me on this . > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Mrityu > > > > > > 2) Akaal mrityu. > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you guide me to the difference in > > > > > > both these mrityus ? > > > > > > Also let me know, whether both of thse > > > > > > are destined ? > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 Dear Narsinghji, Thank You for the good wishes. I am just sad, fed up, disheartened and sort of depressed by the politics going on in this Forum, and wish very much to get out from here. But my heart does not allow me to do so because of emotional attachment to this group, which has been the first group i enetered, a year back. These wordly ties beckon me to stay here, though sensbilities and the mind says, that you must now move away, but am not having the strength to do so. I am trying to shift the focus off the mundane, though, not very much successful, when provocations are made. kind regards, Bhaskar. , " narsinghsahu " <narsinghsahu wrote: > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > I sometimes wonder how you can be both sublime and mundane at the > same time. You have wonderful capabilities. Just keep it up and rid > yourself of the mundane matters. Just concentrate on your strength, > and leave everything else to God's grace. > > I wish you well. > > regards, > > Narsingh > > > , > " Bhaskar " <rajiventerprises@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sushmaji, > > > > believe me, when I say that one can > > increase his Life, by slowing down his breaths > > with a particluar Yogic kriya, which only few > > of us can do, but very much possible. > > There are other ways too, to incraese > > ones Life span. > > In same way there are many ways to > > decrease ones normal life span. > > Now one can argue that this all must be > > written in the persons horoscope > > that he would do this. Now theres > > no answer for this argument. Becaue > > no one can prove this.There are many secrets > > of such subjects, which are not proper > > to be written in a public Forum. > > > > I am nobody not to consider > > you a " Supaatra " . > > > > I am not equipped enogh, tobecome anyones > > Guru,or make anyone my Disciple. Neither > > in field of Spirituality, and neither in > > field of astrology. > > > > I will no more be able to continue this > > discussionb, because I am occupied with > > my professional activities. > > > > best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > , " bhagvatjee " > > <bhagvatjee@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji > > > Thanks for your quick reply. I have heard this that " One can > > change > > > his fate to the worse, or better. " But I did not believe it > > because > > > of believing in Karm's theory. But since you say this with your > > > personal knowledge and experience, I will have to believe, > because > > I > > > believe in you. > > > > > > If you consider me as a Supaatra for that, please make me your > > > disciple. I am a very pious lady and will not let you down. I am > > > really interested in it from the bottom of my heart. I am > > fascinated > > > with this idea, because I have never thought about it. > > > > > > The second thing - you yourself wrote that you know three > > astrologers > > > who could predict birth and death, then how do you say this that > > all > > > births and deaths cannot be predicted even by good astrologers - > > > flukes is a separate matter? > > > > > > Hope you will reply, > > > With regards > > > Sushma > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > <rajiventerprises@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Madam Sushmaji, > > > > > > > > there are many ways in which the destined > > > > longevity of a person , can be cut > > > > short, and there are many ways in which > > > > the destined fate can be made better, but > > > > this can happen only with real men and not > > > > with ordinary pansies. I will not > > > > prsesent the ways for cutting > > > > someones longevity or for increasing > > > > the longevity, or for bettering the > > > > destiny. I need a Supatra to explain all > > > > this. > > > > > > > > There is nothing like impossible in this world. > > > > > > > > All Birth and all deaths cannot be predicted > > > > even by good astrologers. > > > > Flukes is a seperate matter. > > > > > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " bhagvatjee " > > > > <bhagvatjee@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See Bhaskar Ji, > > > > > What I wrote in my 3-4 mails can be proved by this incident > > cited > > > > by > > > > > Prashant ji. > > > > > (1) So it was not A-Kaal Mrityu, because it could be > predicted > > > > even > > > > > before her birth. It was only A-Kaal Mrityu in the eyes of > > > mortals. > > > > > > > > > > (2) Births and deaths can be predicted by good astrologers. > If > > > you > > > > > have read Vaalmeeki Raamaayan, Dasharath was worried about > his > > > > > children, but at the same Sumantra knew that he will surely > > have > > > > four > > > > > sons and those will also be born by the Yagya performed by > > > > > Rishyashring Muni. So this shows that he had four sons in his > > > > fate, > > > > > and the Nimitta was Rishyashring Muni. And as per his fate, > he > > > did > > > > > not try to do this Yagya before the certain time of his life > > > (this > > > > > means that he could not enjoy children before this time). > > > > > > > > > > So everything is fixed - one cannot get anything before time > > and > > > > more > > > > > than what is written in his fate. > > > > > With regards > > > > > Sushma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikit, > > > > > > > > > > > > It is possible to say one will have tendencies for a > unaural > > > > death, > > > > > untimely death etc > > > > > > these depend on their Karma and family that they r bon into > > > > [their > > > > > collective karma] sometimes a window of hope is there, by > some > > > > > prayers, or some councelling etc and a close shave or call > > > > whatever > > > > > it may be may happen, in most cases it won't stop the event > > > > > > > > > > > > an astrologers job is to identify them and let the family > > know > > > > of > > > > > it, it is possible, but it will be a v heavy heart that one > > can > > > > put > > > > > this, in a way suggesting remedies is a blessing to say we > > have > > > > told > > > > > u and reduce their shock level > > > > > > > > > > > > I can give u an example > > > > > > > > > > > > female born on 7/5/96, 7.35 am Hyd > > > > > > > > > > > > I had to her father long beofre say in 1982 that > > irrespective > > > of > > > > > how many kids he may have 1st will be a girl and it may not > > last, > > > > > > he dismissed it and even ridiculed it saying for > generations > > > the > > > > > 1st born in their family is male so forget it > > > > > > the girls 4th b'day was was celebrated in our house > > > > > > > > > > > > on June 11 99 at 3.09 pm her mother opened the grill door > > and > > > > main > > > > > door to let the servant in and she went to the terrace to > > bring > > > > the > > > > > clothes up to dry, > > > > > > this child climbed [wet hands] the grill door to press the > > bell > > > > as > > > > > kids like climbing heights esp grills, and playing with the > > > > calling > > > > > bell etc > > > > > > > > > > > > as she did try it and was barefoot on the grill and the > > live > > > > wires > > > > > to the bell were exposed she contacted it and was > electrocuted > > on > > > > the > > > > > spot and fell down dead > > > > > > this prediction as such I was right, but did it give me > > > > happiness > > > > > no as it brough the family to a lot of grief > > > > > > > > > > > > girl is a cousin of mine. > > > > > > > > > > > > my uncle who had faith in some astrologers who said many > > goood > > > > > things of him never felt I can be right till this happened > > > > > > > > > > > > in spite of giving him a prediction 3 yrs before that he > > will > > > > > resign on a particular day the next job will see him grow > hell > > a > > > > lot > > > > > > > > > > > > from 3k a month for past 8 yrs he got a job on the said > date > > > for > > > > 9k > > > > > and in 3 months became 12k now earns some lak plus a month] > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing impressed him, but this is no prediction to give > > anyone > > > > > happiness does it? > > > > > > I can cite more such examples if it helps > > > > > > > > > > > > for everyone it looks akala mrityu a asntrolger it is kala > > > mrityu > > > > > > [that was all she had if u see her chart and 22nd drekkana- > > > > death > > > > > by water] > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astroiniket <astroiniket@> > > wrote: > > > > > bhaskarji, > > > > > > In simple words:(what i understand) > > > > > > 1. Mritu:(natural death)- if happen by some illness, or > > sudden > > > > > > without any known cause called Mritue or naturaly when age > > is > > > > > > completed it may completed in any age(can be calculated , > > > > governed > > > > > by > > > > > > planets) > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. AkalMritu:- when some accident happen, suside happen, > > but > > > as > > > > > per > > > > > > planets age is remaining, it depends on Natural disasters > > > > included > > > > > > war or terrorism etc. purely base on desh kaal and > > paristhity, > > > > > when > > > > > > deth come in mass distruction , you can include that. > > > > > > > > > > > > for example : A candle you lite , it have avrage 2 hrs > > life, > > > > but > > > > > some > > > > > > chield blow air, or storm come or some one make through it. > > > > > > > > > > > > i may be wrong but this is my opinion and thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > rgds > > > > > > niket > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > > > > <rajiventerprises@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear sushmaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have heard of 2 terms ,but do not > > > > > > > know the meaning exactly, and hope you > > > > > > > can guide me on this . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Mrityu > > > > > > > 2) Akaal mrityu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you guide me to the difference in > > > > > > > both these mrityus ? > > > > > > > Also let me know, whether both of thse > > > > > > > are destined ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds, > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 Dear Ratnaakar Ji Thanks for posing this question to me. Bheeshm Pitaamaha was not of this world, he was the incarnation of the 8th Vasu. He came here just to live his curse (by Vashishth Ji), he was not supposed to have his progeny and he was not supposed to have take rebirth here. That is why he had to take vow " not to marry lifelong " , and somebody had to give him blessings for " Ichchhaa Mrityu " . According to this Var, he chose the Uttaraayan time because in Hindu religion, it is believed that whoever dies in Uttaraayan time, he never comes back. You know Uttaraayan time - from Makar Sankraanti to Kark Sankraanti (14 Jan-14 July). [don't ask me whether it is true or not?] About Saavitree - She was in Sat Yug. In that Yug, people have many kinds of powers, and extraordinary life span. Many kings have ruled for 50,000 years in that Yug. She was also extraordinary. In spite of warned by Naarad Ji, she chose Satyavaan as her husband and wit her confidence she brought him back from Yam Raaj. Not only she brought him back, but also she did good to her parents and parents-in-laws. The way she tackled Yam Raaj, how many women today can do it in that way, in which world the number of divorces are increasing day by day. Satee's power has been sung everywhere in our religious scrptures, she is also like another Bhagavaan. There are some other exceptions too - child Dhruv who had Bhagavaan's Darshan at the age of 5 years, Nachiketaa who received Brahm Vidyaa from Yam himself at the age of some 12 or 16 years of age. Another name I mentioned is of Maarkandeya Rishi who was given only 16 hyeras of life but because of his devotion to Shiv he got immortality from him. Even today, Mahaa Mrityunjaya Mantra is recited for reviving an almost dying person (certainly not the already dead). Hope this satisfies you, still you want to know some more, plese do not hesitate to ask, I will try to explain with my little knowledge. Thanks and with best wishes, Sushma , Ratnaakar <namra_nivedan wrote: > > Dear Sushma ji, > What is your opinion about Bhisma Pitamah who waited > for his Mritu till Uttarayan and about Savitri who could be > able to alive his dead husband again.Ok,fate is final but > atleast we can fight to him and astrological remedies do > the same.To get success or faliure is another matter. > > Regards > Ratnaakar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 Dear Bhaskar Ji You may read the reply given to Ratnaakar Ji in this regard. Whoever you are talking about, they might be only one or two, or may be countable on fingers. In this matter Gandhi Ji was great. He followed only one Niyam of A-Hinsaa and did so much (not that he got India free, it was only India's fate at that time - that is another long story), but yes, he was a great man - now tell me how many are there who follow even one Niyam from eight Niyam? It is not easy to follow even one Niyam out of eight Niyam faithfully, because those Niyam are not to be followed only by Karm, they also have to be followed by Manasaa, Vaachaa and Karmanaa. With regards Sushma , " Bhaskar " <rajiventerprises wrote: > > > Good.I had that same example in mind to > put in front of Sushmaji, Plus many more, > but it prolongs the discussion, > so I overruled putting it. even today > there are many ladies like Savitri and many > men like harischandra, but only > the fortunates can meet hem. > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > , Ratnaakar > <namra_nivedan@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sushma ji, > > What is your opinion about Bhisma Pitamah who waited > > for his Mritu till Uttarayan and about Savitri who could be > > able to alive his dead husband again.Ok,fate is final but > > atleast we can fight to him and astrological remedies do > > the same.To get success or faliure is another matter. > > > > Regards > > Ratnaakar > > > > > > bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee@> wrote: > > > > See Bhaskar Ji, > > What I wrote in my 3-4 mails can be proved by this incident cited > by > > Prashant ji. > > (1) So it was not A-Kaal Mrityu, because it could be predicted > even > > before her birth. It was only A-Kaal Mrityu in the eyes of mortals. > > > > (2) Births and deaths can be predicted by good astrologers. If you > > have read Vaalmeeki Raamaayan, Dasharath was worried about his > > children, but at the same Sumantra knew that he will surely have > four > > sons and those will also be born by the Yagya performed by > > Rishyashring Muni. So this shows that he had four sons in his > fate, > > and the Nimitta was Rishyashring Muni. And as per his fate, he did > > not try to do this Yagya before the certain time of his life (this > > means that he could not enjoy children before this time). > > > > So everything is fixed - one cannot get anything before time and > more > > than what is written in his fate. > > With regards > > Sushma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 Dear Ratnaakar Ji No not at all. As I wrote before, it is human nature that whenever he feels any pain, or sorrow or trouble, he wants to remove it and immeditely tries to find its reason and then tries to find its cure. One cannot go against the nature, only Yog gives you power to have full control over them. So you just simply cannot sit idle to see a person dying with a critical illness, that is against your nature, and that is called foolishness in modern times. BUT still there are some people who do that - who are they? There is a Christian sect who does not believe in unnatural healing. People belonging to that sect believe in prayers. During the time of one's illness, they pray and pray and pray, but will not go to doctor. Sometimes even police cannot do anything to help the patient. Now, what happens in such cases? According to our theory of Karm, if the life of the patient is remaining, he becomes all right, otherwise he dies (certainly without the medical care). If you see these incidents in a spiritual way, it is very confusing - means whether we should follow our theories or their theories? Both are correct at their places. [sorry, again it is a long discussion and is a matter of hours.] With regards Sushma , Ratnaakar <namra_nivedan wrote: > > Truly,if some one became critically ill in the family, > so to think the result of his karma we should not try > to cure him or if enemy army attack on our country, > in such case we kept on waiting persuming the > result of our Karma.We will have to fight definitely. > > Ratnaakar > > Bhaskar <rajiventerprises wrote: > > Good.I had that same example in mind to > put in front of Sushmaji, Plus many more, > but it prolongs the discussion, > so I overruled putting it. even today > there are many ladies like Savitri and many > men like harischandra, but only > the fortunates can meet hem. > > Bhaskar. > > > , Ratnaakar > wrote: > > > > Dear Sushma ji, > > What is your opinion about Bhisma Pitamah who waited > > for his Mritu till Uttarayan and about Savitri who could be > > able to alive his dead husband again.Ok,fate is final but > > atleast we can fight to him and astrological remedies do > > the same.To get success or faliure is another matter. > > > > Regards > > Ratnaakar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 Dear Ratnaakar Ji I am not talking about that type of Guru. In this matter, one can have as many Guru as many good qualities or good things one learns. When we live in this world, we learn many things from many people, and those people become our Guru in those areas. Have you read sometimes Bhaagvat Puraan, especially its 11th Skand, in which an Avadhoot has told his 24 Guru. So whatever we learn from woever, he becomes our Guru. With this viewpoint, anyone can be Guru from whom we learn anything. I believed that Karm is everything, it cannot be changed even by the doer, but Bhaskar Ji changed my views by telling that there are ways to change it, in such case, he can be my Guru to teach me how it is possible? There is nothing wrong in this. With regards, Sushma , Ratnaakar <namra_nivedan wrote: > > Dear Sushma ji, > You are a lady and it is explained in our sages that > before marriage father is the Guru of her and after > marriage her husband is the only Guru of one lady. > And in present Kali-Kaal plz do not search for Guru > & do surrender in the lotus feet of Hanuman Ji for Gurutawa as > " JAI JAI HANUMAN GOSAAI KRIPAA KAREHU > GURUDEV KI NAAI " . > Further astrology is for living persons & what is the need to > know about the time death? To do good karma as same as the frequency > of breath is the only way.Plz read Utter-Kand of Ramcharitmanas for removing all > confusions.But it is sure that no one can increase a single breath of > one in terrible Kali-Kaal. > > Regards > Ratnaakar > > > > > bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee wrote: > Dear Bhaskar Ji > Thanks for your quick reply. I have heard this that " One can change > his fate to the worse, or better. " But I did not believe it because > of believing in Karm's theory. But since you say this with your > personal knowledge and experience, I will have to believe, because I > believe in you. > > If you consider me as a Supaatra for that, please make me your > disciple. I am a very pious lady and will not let you down. I am > really interested in it from the bottom of my heart. I am fascinated > with this idea, because I have never thought about it. > > The second thing - you yourself wrote that you know three astrologers > who could predict birth and death, then how do you say this that all > births and deaths cannot be predicted even by good astrologers - > flukes is a separate matter? > > Hope you will reply, > With regards > Sushma > > > , " Bhaskar " > wrote: > > > > Madam Sushmaji, > > > > there are many ways in which the destined > > longevity of a person , can be cut > > short, and there are many ways in which > > the destined fate can be made better, but > > this can happen only with real men and not > > with ordinary pansies. I will not > > prsesent the ways for cutting > > someones longevity or for increasing > > the longevity, or for bettering the > > destiny. I need a Supatra to explain all > > this. > > > > There is nothing like impossible in this world. > > > > All Birth and all deaths cannot be predicted > > even by good astrologers. > > Flukes is a seperate matter. > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 Thanks Bhaskar Ji for spending your valuable time with me. With regards Sushma , " Bhaskar " <rajiventerprises wrote: > > Dear Sushmaji, > > believe me, when I say that one can > increase his Life, by slowing down his breaths > with a particluar Yogic kriya, which only few > of us can do, but very much possible. > There are other ways too, to incraese > ones Life span. > In same way there are many ways to > decrease ones normal life span. > Now one can argue that this all must be > written in the persons horoscope > that he would do this. Now theres > no answer for this argument. Becaue > no one can prove this.There are many secrets > of such subjects, which are not proper > to be written in a public Forum. > > I am nobody not to consider > you a " Supaatra " . > > I am not equipped enogh, tobecome anyones > Guru,or make anyone my Disciple. Neither > in field of Spirituality, and neither in > field of astrology. > > I will no more be able to continue this > discussionb, because I am occupied with > my professional activities. > > best wishes, > Bhaskar. > > > > > > , " bhagvatjee " > <bhagvatjee@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji > > Thanks for your quick reply. I have heard this that " One can > change > > his fate to the worse, or better. " But I did not believe it > because > > of believing in Karm's theory. But since you say this with your > > personal knowledge and experience, I will have to believe, because > I > > believe in you. > > > > If you consider me as a Supaatra for that, please make me your > > disciple. I am a very pious lady and will not let you down. I am > > really interested in it from the bottom of my heart. I am > fascinated > > with this idea, because I have never thought about it. > > > > The second thing - you yourself wrote that you know three > astrologers > > who could predict birth and death, then how do you say this that > all > > births and deaths cannot be predicted even by good astrologers - > > flukes is a separate matter? > > > > Hope you will reply, > > With regards > > Sushma > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > <rajiventerprises@> wrote: > > > > > > Madam Sushmaji, > > > > > > there are many ways in which the destined > > > longevity of a person , can be cut > > > short, and there are many ways in which > > > the destined fate can be made better, but > > > this can happen only with real men and not > > > with ordinary pansies. I will not > > > prsesent the ways for cutting > > > someones longevity or for increasing > > > the longevity, or for bettering the > > > destiny. I need a Supatra to explain all > > > this. > > > > > > There is nothing like impossible in this world. > > > > > > All Birth and all deaths cannot be predicted > > > even by good astrologers. > > > Flukes is a seperate matter. > > > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 My dear Sister, That Avdhoot's name was Lord Dattatreya.His spiritual Guru was only one and others were as Dog, Veshyaa and Ajgar etc and what was the logic behind these Gurus? To accept the positive things only as the dog has extreme satisfaction.It will be sitted in front of you while you were taking meal and after meal either you give some to him or not but he will not bark on one at all.Leave that place peacefully. Further to be Supaatra is more essential for Guru in comparison of Shishya because Guru can wash the Kusanskar of Shishya but who will remove the kusanskar of Guru? Regards Ratnaakar bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee wrote: Dear Ratnaakar Ji I am not talking about that type of Guru. In this matter, one can have as many Guru as many good qualities or good things one learns. When we live in this world, we learn many things from many people, and those people become our Guru in those areas. Have you read sometimes Bhaagvat Puraan, especially its 11th Skand, in which an Avadhoot has told his 24 Guru. So whatever we learn from woever, he becomes our Guru. With this viewpoint, anyone can be Guru from whom we learn anything. I believed that Karm is everything, it cannot be changed even by the doer, but Bhaskar Ji changed my views by telling that there are ways to change it, in such case, he can be my Guru to teach me how it is possible? There is nothing wrong in this. With regards, Sushma , Ratnaakar wrote: > > Dear Sushma ji, > You are a lady and it is explained in our sages that > before marriage father is the Guru of her and after > marriage her husband is the only Guru of one lady. > And in present Kali-Kaal plz do not search for Guru > & do surrender in the lotus feet of Hanuman Ji for Gurutawa as > " JAI JAI HANUMAN GOSAAI KRIPAA KAREHU > GURUDEV KI NAAI " . > Further astrology is for living persons & what is the need to > know about the time death? To do good karma as same as the frequency > of breath is the only way.Plz read Utter-Kand of Ramcharitmanas for removing all > confusions.But it is sure that no one can increase a single breath of > one in terrible Kali-Kaal. > > Regards > Ratnaakar > > > > > bhagvatjee wrote: > Dear Bhaskar Ji > Thanks for your quick reply. I have heard this that " One can change > his fate to the worse, or better. " But I did not believe it because > of believing in Karm's theory. But since you say this with your > personal knowledge and experience, I will have to believe, because I > believe in you. > > If you consider me as a Supaatra for that, please make me your > disciple. I am a very pious lady and will not let you down. I am > really interested in it from the bottom of my heart. I am fascinated > with this idea, because I have never thought about it. > > The second thing - you yourself wrote that you know three astrologers > who could predict birth and death, then how do you say this that all > births and deaths cannot be predicted even by good astrologers - > flukes is a separate matter? > > Hope you will reply, > With regards > Sushma > > > , " Bhaskar " > wrote: > > > > Madam Sushmaji, > > > > there are many ways in which the destined > > longevity of a person , can be cut > > short, and there are many ways in which > > the destined fate can be made better, but > > this can happen only with real men and not > > with ordinary pansies. I will not > > prsesent the ways for cutting > > someones longevity or for increasing > > the longevity, or for bettering the > > destiny. I need a Supatra to explain all > > this. > > > > There is nothing like impossible in this world. > > > > All Birth and all deaths cannot be predicted > > even by good astrologers. > > Flukes is a seperate matter. > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar. --- SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 My dear Sister, There is close corrilation in between Spirituality and Karma.In fact one should do his karma having spirituality. There is no confusion at all. Regards Ratnaakar bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee wrote: Dear Ratnaakar Ji No not at all. As I wrote before, it is human nature that whenever he feels any pain, or sorrow or trouble, he wants to remove it and immeditely tries to find its reason and then tries to find its cure. One cannot go against the nature, only Yog gives you power to have full control over them. So you just simply cannot sit idle to see a person dying with a critical illness, that is against your nature, and that is called foolishness in modern times. BUT still there are some people who do that - who are they? There is a Christian sect who does not believe in unnatural healing. People belonging to that sect believe in prayers. During the time of one's illness, they pray and pray and pray, but will not go to doctor. Sometimes even police cannot do anything to help the patient. Now, what happens in such cases? According to our theory of Karm, if the life of the patient is remaining, he becomes all right, otherwise he dies (certainly without the medical care). If you see these incidents in a spiritual way, it is very confusing - means whether we should follow our theories or their theories? Both are correct at their places. [sorry, again it is a long discussion and is a matter of hours.] With regards Sushma , Ratnaakar wrote: > > Truly,if some one became critically ill in the family, > so to think the result of his karma we should not try > to cure him or if enemy army attack on our country, > in such case we kept on waiting persuming the > result of our Karma.We will have to fight definitely. > > Ratnaakar > > Bhaskar wrote: > > Good.I had that same example in mind to > put in front of Sushmaji, Plus many more, > but it prolongs the discussion, > so I overruled putting it. even today > there are many ladies like Savitri and many > men like harischandra, but only > the fortunates can meet hem. > > Bhaskar. > > > , Ratnaakar > wrote: > > > > Dear Sushma ji, > > What is your opinion about Bhisma Pitamah who waited > > for his Mritu till Uttarayan and about Savitri who could be > > able to alive his dead husband again.Ok,fate is final but > > atleast we can fight to him and astrological remedies do > > the same.To get success or faliure is another matter. > > > > Regards > > Ratnaakar --- SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 My dear sister, Even if Bhisma Pitamaha was facing the curse but he showed extreme ECCHAA_SHAKTI.That is the base.There is no matter of Yuga at all.As the same about Savitri,if one has firm ditermination, that can pass all hindrances or can not feel obstacles the matter of grief.Why did king Parikshat not make request to Sukdeo ji for recitation Maha-Mritunjaya in place reciting Bhagwat? Regards Ratnaakar bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee wrote: Dear Ratnaakar Ji Thanks for posing this question to me. Bheeshm Pitaamaha was not of this world, he was the incarnation of the 8th Vasu. He came here just to live his curse (by Vashishth Ji), he was not supposed to have his progeny and he was not supposed to have take rebirth here. That is why he had to take vow " not to marry lifelong " , and somebody had to give him blessings for " Ichchhaa Mrityu " . According to this Var, he chose the Uttaraayan time because in Hindu religion, it is believed that whoever dies in Uttaraayan time, he never comes back. You know Uttaraayan time - from Makar Sankraanti to Kark Sankraanti (14 Jan-14 July). [don't ask me whether it is true or not?] About Saavitree - She was in Sat Yug. In that Yug, people have many kinds of powers, and extraordinary life span. Many kings have ruled for 50,000 years in that Yug. She was also extraordinary. In spite of warned by Naarad Ji, she chose Satyavaan as her husband and wit her confidence she brought him back from Yam Raaj. Not only she brought him back, but also she did good to her parents and parents-in-laws. The way she tackled Yam Raaj, how many women today can do it in that way, in which world the number of divorces are increasing day by day. Satee's power has been sung everywhere in our religious scrptures, she is also like another Bhagavaan. There are some other exceptions too - child Dhruv who had Bhagavaan's Darshan at the age of 5 years, Nachiketaa who received Brahm Vidyaa from Yam himself at the age of some 12 or 16 years of age. Another name I mentioned is of Maarkandeya Rishi who was given only 16 hyeras of life but because of his devotion to Shiv he got immortality from him. Even today, Mahaa Mrityunjaya Mantra is recited for reviving an almost dying person (certainly not the already dead). Hope this satisfies you, still you want to know some more, plese do not hesitate to ask, I will try to explain with my little knowledge. Thanks and with best wishes, Sushma , Ratnaakar wrote: > > Dear Sushma ji, > What is your opinion about Bhisma Pitamah who waited > for his Mritu till Uttarayan and about Savitri who could be > able to alive his dead husband again.Ok,fate is final but > atleast we can fight to him and astrological remedies do > the same.To get success or faliure is another matter. > > Regards > Ratnaakar --- SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2008 Report Share Posted April 13, 2008 Dear Ratnaakar Ji I know who was that? He was Dattaatreya. I don't know whether I am right or wrong, but it is my old habit (perhaps came from my mother) that I take those things from others which I like and which are no in me, and I like to develop in me. Otherwise what the other person is, I don't mind, so there is no queston of removing Kusanskaar of other person, because those are his Sanskaar, not mine. When his time will come, he will remove them himself. With regards Sushma , Ratnaakar <namra_nivedan wrote: > > My dear Sister, > That Avdhoot's name was Lord Dattatreya.His spiritual > Guru was only one and others were as Dog, Veshyaa > and Ajgar etc and what was the logic behind these Gurus? > To accept the positive things only as the dog has extreme > satisfaction.It will be sitted in front of you while you were > taking meal and after meal either you give some to him or not but he > will not bark on one at all.Leave that place peacefully. > Further to be Supaatra is more essential for Guru in comparison of > Shishya because Guru can wash the Kusanskar of Shishya > but who will remove the kusanskar of Guru? > > Regards > Ratnaakar > > bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee wrote: > Dear Ratnaakar Ji > I am not talking about that type of Guru. In this matter, one can > have as many Guru as many good qualities or good things one learns. > When we live in this world, we learn many things from many people, > and those people become our Guru in those areas. Have you read > sometimes Bhaagvat Puraan, especially its 11th Skand, in which an > Avadhoot has told his 24 Guru. So whatever we learn from woever, he > becomes our Guru. With this viewpoint, anyone can be Guru from whom > we learn anything. > > I believed that Karm is everything, it cannot be changed even by the > doer, but Bhaskar Ji changed my views by telling that there are ways > to change it, in such case, he can be my Guru to teach me how it is > possible? There is nothing wrong in this. > > With regards, > Sushma > > > , Ratnaakar > wrote: > > > > Dear Sushma ji, > > You are a lady and it is explained in our sages that > > before marriage father is the Guru of her and after > > marriage her husband is the only Guru of one lady. > > And in present Kali-Kaal plz do not search for Guru > > & do surrender in the lotus feet of Hanuman Ji for Gurutawa as > > " JAI JAI HANUMAN GOSAAI KRIPAA KAREHU > > GURUDEV KI NAAI " . > > Further astrology is for living persons & what is the need to > > know about the time death? To do good karma as same as the > frequency > > of breath is the only way.Plz read Utter-Kand of Ramcharitmanas > for removing all > > confusions.But it is sure that no one can increase a single > breath of > > one in terrible Kali-Kaal. > > > > Regards > > Ratnaakar > > > > > > > > > > bhagvatjee wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar Ji > > Thanks for your quick reply. I have heard this that " One can change > > his fate to the worse, or better. " But I did not believe it because > > of believing in Karm's theory. But since you say this with your > > personal knowledge and experience, I will have to believe, because > I > > believe in you. > > > > If you consider me as a Supaatra for that, please make me your > > disciple. I am a very pious lady and will not let you down. I am > > really interested in it from the bottom of my heart. I am > fascinated > > with this idea, because I have never thought about it. > > > > The second thing - you yourself wrote that you know three > astrologers > > who could predict birth and death, then how do you say this that > all > > births and deaths cannot be predicted even by good astrologers - > > flukes is a separate matter? > > > > Hope you will reply, > > With regards > > Sushma > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > wrote: > > > > > > Madam Sushmaji, > > > > > > there are many ways in which the destined > > > longevity of a person , can be cut > > > short, and there are many ways in which > > > the destined fate can be made better, but > > > this can happen only with real men and not > > > with ordinary pansies. I will not > > > prsesent the ways for cutting > > > someones longevity or for increasing > > > the longevity, or for bettering the > > > destiny. I need a Supatra to explain all > > > this. > > > > > > There is nothing like impossible in this world. > > > > > > All Birth and all deaths cannot be predicted > > > even by good astrologers. > > > Flukes is a seperate matter. > > > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar. > > > --- > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2008 Report Share Posted April 13, 2008 You are right Ratnaakar Ji, there is no doubt about it, that one should his Karm wih spirituality, but how many people know the Karm prescribed for them, leave about sprituality? AND how may people have the knowledge of spirituality, they don't know even their own Dharm Karm, that what is their own Dharm? First one has to follow his own Dharm. According to our Puraans, Dharm has 10 characteristics - Ahinsaa, Kshamaa, Namrataa, Satya, Shraddhaa, Shauch, Daan Yagya, Tap etc. How many can follow even one or two of its characteristics - Spirituality is very far far away. Your idea is good and perfect, one must do this, but its not applicable in this modern world. Wih regards Sushma , Ratnaakar <namra_nivedan wrote: > > My dear Sister, > There is close corrilation in between Spirituality and > Karma.In fact one should do his karma having spirituality. > There is no confusion at all. > > Regards > Ratnaakar > > bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee wrote: > Dear Ratnaakar Ji > No not at all. As I wrote before, it is human nature that whenever he > feels any pain, or sorrow or trouble, he wants to remove it and > immeditely tries to find its reason and then tries to find its cure. > One cannot go against the nature, only Yog gives you power to have > full control over them. So you just simply cannot sit idle to see a > person dying with a critical illness, that is against your nature, > and that is called foolishness in modern times. > > BUT still there are some people who do that - who are they? There is > a Christian sect who does not believe in unnatural healing. People > belonging to that sect believe in prayers. During the time of one's > illness, they pray and pray and pray, but will not go to doctor. > Sometimes even police cannot do anything to help the patient. Now, > what happens in such cases? According to our theory of Karm, if the > life of the patient is remaining, he becomes all right, otherwise he > dies (certainly without the medical care). > > If you see these incidents in a spiritual way, it is very confusing - > means whether we should follow our theories or their theories? Both > are correct at their places. [sorry, again it is a long discussion > and is a matter of hours.] > > With regards > Sushma > > > > , Ratnaakar > wrote: > > > > Truly,if some one became critically ill in the family, > > so to think the result of his karma we should not try > > to cure him or if enemy army attack on our country, > > in such case we kept on waiting persuming the > > result of our Karma.We will have to fight definitely. > > > > Ratnaakar > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > Good.I had that same example in mind to > > put in front of Sushmaji, Plus many more, > > but it prolongs the discussion, > > so I overruled putting it. even today > > there are many ladies like Savitri and many > > men like harischandra, but only > > the fortunates can meet hem. > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > , Ratnaakar > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sushma ji, > > > What is your opinion about Bhisma Pitamah who waited > > > for his Mritu till Uttarayan and about Savitri who could be > > > able to alive his dead husband again.Ok,fate is final but > > > atleast we can fight to him and astrological remedies do > > > the same.To get success or faliure is another matter. > > > > > > Regards > > > Ratnaakar > > > --- > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2008 Report Share Posted April 13, 2008 Dear Ratnaakar Ji, The modern world says that it was Ichchhaa Shakti (for both Bheeshm and Saavitree). As far as Pareekshit's case is, according to MBH, he tried to save himself by shutting himself in a separate house, and when Takshak came in the form of a worm, he surrendered to him. According to Bhaagvat, he listened to Bhaagvat Kathaa for the next 7 days and left his body through Yog. He himself was sorry for his action that is why he might not have tried for the Mritunjaya Jaap. Well, otherwise also I have not heard about anybody doing the Jaap of this Mantra. I don't know why. The story of Maarkandeya comes in Puraan, but not about the Mantra. I have heard about recitation od Vaidik Mantra but not this one. In fact it seems, that in those times, those Mantra were only written or composed, but not tested or repeated by others, for example many Stotra were first recited in Puraan but there is no reference of their repeatition; although it is written that " whoever will recite these, he will get such and such things. " With regards Sushma , Ratnaakar <namra_nivedan wrote: > > My dear sister, > Even if Bhisma Pitamaha was facing the curse but he showed > extreme ECCHAA_SHAKTI.That is the base.There is no matter > of Yuga at all.As the same about Savitri,if one has firm ditermination, > that can pass all hindrances or can not feel obstacles the matter of > grief.Why did king Parikshat not make request to Sukdeo ji for recitation > Maha-Mritunjaya in place reciting Bhagwat? > > Regards > Ratnaakar > > > bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee wrote: > Dear Ratnaakar Ji > Thanks for posing this question to me. Bheeshm Pitaamaha was not of > this world, he was the incarnation of the 8th Vasu. He came here just > to live his curse (by Vashishth Ji), he was not supposed to have his > progeny and he was not supposed to have take rebirth here. That is why > he had to take vow " not to marry lifelong " , and somebody had to give > him blessings for " Ichchhaa Mrityu " . According to this Var, he chose > the Uttaraayan time because in Hindu religion, it is believed that > whoever dies in Uttaraayan time, he never comes back. You know > Uttaraayan time - from Makar Sankraanti to Kark Sankraanti (14 Jan- 14 > July). [don't ask me whether it is true or not?] > > About Saavitree - She was in Sat Yug. In that Yug, people have many > kinds of powers, and extraordinary life span. Many kings have ruled > for 50,000 years in that Yug. She was also extraordinary. In spite of > warned by Naarad Ji, she chose Satyavaan as her husband and wit her > confidence she brought him back from Yam Raaj. Not only she brought > him back, but also she did good to her parents and parents-in-laws. > The way she tackled Yam Raaj, how many women today can do it in that > way, in which world the number of divorces are increasing day by day. > Satee's power has been sung everywhere in our religious scrptures, she > is also like another Bhagavaan. > > There are some other exceptions too - child Dhruv who had Bhagavaan's > Darshan at the age of 5 years, Nachiketaa who received Brahm Vidyaa > from Yam himself at the age of some 12 or 16 years of age. Another > name I mentioned is of Maarkandeya Rishi who was given only 16 hyeras > of life but because of his devotion to Shiv he got immortality from > him. Even today, Mahaa Mrityunjaya Mantra is recited for reviving an > almost dying person (certainly not the already dead). > > Hope this satisfies you, still you want to know some more, plese do > not hesitate to ask, I will try to explain with my little knowledge. > Thanks and with best wishes, > Sushma > > > , Ratnaakar > wrote: > > > > Dear Sushma ji, > > What is your opinion about Bhisma Pitamah who waited > > for his Mritu till Uttarayan and about Savitri who could be > > able to alive his dead husband again.Ok,fate is final but > > atleast we can fight to him and astrological remedies do > > the same.To get success or faliure is another matter. > > > > Regards > > Ratnaakar > > > --- > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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