Sade Saati -remedies

February 10, 2008

Namaskar Gurujis

i am going thru my 2nd phase of Sade Saati and experiencing heath problems,

please guide for remedies,poojas,stones..

My date of birth is 4th July 1973

Place baroda (Gujarat)

Time 11:55 am

please help.

Regards

Vandan

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February 10, 2008

Hello Vandan,

I can empathise with what you are going through in sade sati. I myself I have

been through 1st and 2nd phase and now I am in my final stage. I personally

found that the best remedy is to become spiritual and have devotion for your

lord. To survive sade sati you need to maintain a consistent spiritual practice

/ sadhana. Consistency is the key. Try to find a fixed time in the day. You may

chant Hanuman chalisa daily - but if you are gonna do it, do it consistently /

daily. Let go of ego, meat/fish and alcohol. Become humble. I find donating a

few coins, every week, especially to rubbish collectors and toilet cleaners

extremely helpful.

If your health is very bad, try and chant 100 hanuman chalisa in one sitting. I

did this and found it to be a miracle for me. Forget stones/gems - Shani is not

really interested in that - he wants to see you spiritualised and devoted and to

do something for yourself. He is the greatest teacher of them all. I have learnt

so much.

Peace and light,

Taj

: danny101_in: Sun, 10 Feb

2008 03:13:40 -0800 Sade Saati -remedies

Namaskar Gurujisi am going thru my 2nd phase of Sade Saati and experiencing

heath problems, please guide for remedies,poojas,stones..My date of birth is 4th

July 1973Place baroda (Gujarat)Time 11:55 amplease

help.RegardsVandanNever miss a thing. Make

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February 10, 2008

Dear Tajinder ji,

This was a very helpful post from you,

and so were the previous ones on this subject,

by Your goodself, which I missed appreciating.

Would like to confirm and add-

Alcohol and Non-Veg is certainly a No No

in this phase.

So is illicit sex, or evil thoughts or

endevaours in these directions.

Doing above actions would also spoil the

Jupiter in ones chart, for both Saturn and

Jupiter work hand in hand.

And one having Jupiter and Saturn both spoilt in

his chart, would lead a most miserable Life.

100 Hanuman Chalisas in one sitting,would be a

very difficult propposition for most,unless it

is done in a public manner,that is few of the

family members doing it together. 51 Hanuman

Chalisas would be more of a practical suggestion,

to be done every Tuesday or Saturday,

and 11 or 21 Hanuman Chalisas to be done on

on a daily basis.

But those who can do 100 Hanuman Chalisas

regularly, coupled with a proper ethical and moral

lifestyle,nothing is unachieveable for these

great souls.

The poor folks, subordinate class,

including sweepers, chaprasis, peons,liftman,

beggars, cobblers, old crippled people,

all of these represent Saturn, and any help

given to any of these,

would be recorded well by ShaniDev.

So would be small creatures like ants crawling

on the road. Feeding them would also bring in

the blessings.

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

, tajinder sian

<tajindersinghsian wrote:

>

> Hello Vandan,

>

> I can empathise with what you are going through in sade sati. I

myself I have been through 1st and 2nd phase and now I am in my

final stage. I personally found that the best remedy is to become

spiritual and have devotion for your lord. To survive sade sati you

need to maintain a consistent spiritual practice / sadhana.

Consistency is the key. Try to find a fixed time in the day. You may

chant Hanuman chalisa daily - but if you are gonna do it, do it

consistently / daily. Let go of ego, meat/fish and alcohol. Become

humble. I find donating a few coins, every week, especially to

rubbish collectors and toilet cleaners extremely helpful.

>

> If your health is very bad, try and chant 100 hanuman chalisa in

one sitting. I did this and found it to be a miracle for me. Forget

stones/gems - Shani is not really interested in that - he wants to

see you spiritualised and devoted and to do something for yourself.

He is the greatest teacher of them all. I have learnt so much.

>

> Peace and light,

>

> Taj

>

> : danny101_in: Sun, 10 Feb 2008

03:13:40 -0800 Sade Saati -remedies

>

> Namaskar Gurujisi am going thru my 2nd phase of Sade Saati and

experiencing heath problems, please guide for

remedies,poojas,stones..My date of birth is 4th July 1973Place

baroda (Gujarat)Time 11:55 amplease help.RegardsVandan---------------

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February 10, 2008

Hello Bhaskar,

Thank you for adding your suggestions - these are all good and would prove very

helpful to Vandan who is going through 2nd phase.

I agree with what you say about jupiter and saturn working hand in hand. I

always activate jupiter and this I do simply with a kesar tilak everyday.

Sometimes I find just the simple things work wonders over the course of a few

weeks. Really sometimes their is no need for expensive remedies.

Yes I agree 100 chalisa is quite a task! but I did it and I think anyone who is

facing extremely difficult times should try it too. I believe it took me about

6-7 hours to do it but yes i suppose one can also benefit by doing half 1 day

and the other half on the following day. The benefits one derives afterwards are

amazing!

To Vandan, I would like to add that you will learn a lot in this period - as i

have. These 7 1/2 years are all life lessons....very important. i cant stress

that enough.

Peace and light,

Taj

: rajiventerprises: Sun,

10 Feb 2008 11:59:41 +0000Re: Sade Saati -remedies

Dear Tajinder ji,This was a very helpful post from you,and so were the previous

ones on this subject,by Your goodself, which I missed appreciating.Would like to

confirm and add- Alcohol and Non-Veg is certainly a No Noin this phase.So is

illicit sex, or evil thoughts orendevaours in these directions. Doing above

actions would also spoil the Jupiter in ones chart, for both Saturn andJupiter

work hand in hand. And one having Jupiter and Saturn both spoilt in his chart,

would lead a most miserable Life.100 Hanuman Chalisas in one sitting,would be

avery difficult propposition for most,unless itis done in a public manner,that

is few of the family members doing it together. 51 HanumanChalisas would be more

of a practical suggestion,to be done every Tuesday or Saturday,and 11 or 21

Hanuman Chalisas to be done on on a daily basis.But those who can do 100 Hanuman

Chalisas regularly, coupled with a proper ethical and moral lifestyle,nothing is

unachieveable for thesegreat souls. The poor folks, subordinate class,including

sweepers, chaprasis, peons,liftman,beggars, cobblers, old crippled people,all of

these represent Saturn, and any helpgiven to any of these,would be recorded well

by ShaniDev.So would be small creatures like ants crawlingon the road. Feeding

them would also bring inthe blessings.best wishes,Bhaskar.--- In

, tajinder sian <tajindersinghsian wrote:>>

Hello Vandan,> > I can empathise with what you are going through in sade sati. I

myself I have been through 1st and 2nd phase and now I am in my final stage. I

personally found that the best remedy is to become spiritual and have devotion

for your lord. To survive sade sati you need to maintain a consistent spiritual

practice / sadhana. Consistency is the key. Try to find a fixed time in the day.

You may chant Hanuman chalisa daily - but if you are gonna do it, do it

consistently / daily. Let go of ego, meat/fish and alcohol. Become humble. I

find donating a few coins, every week, especially to rubbish collectors and

toilet cleaners extremely helpful. > > If your health is very bad, try and chant

100 hanuman chalisa in one sitting. I did this and found it to be a miracle for

me. Forget stones/gems - Shani is not really interested in that - he wants to

see you spiritualised and devoted and to do something for yourself. He is the

greatest teacher of them all. I have learnt so much.> > Peace and light,> > Taj

> > > > > : danny101_in: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 03:13:40

-0800 Sade Saati -remedies> > > > > Namaskar Gurujisi am going thru

my 2nd phase of Sade Saati and experiencing heath problems, please guide for

remedies,poojas,stones..My date of birth is 4th July 1973Place baroda

(Gujarat)Time 11:55 amplease

help.RegardsVandanNever miss a thing. Make

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February 10, 2008

I would not advocate giving alms to any poor unless you are 100% sure that he

would use it for a good purpose. Most of them these days use it for other

purposes!!! Their unworthy actions then results in transfer of their karma to

the donor with subsequent adverse results...so avoid giving coins or putting a

few in the beggar's pot on every Saturday.

Best wishes,

Amitabh Shastri

Bhaskar <rajiventerprises

Sunday, 10 February, 2008 5:29:41 PM

Re: Sade Saati -remedies

Dear Tajinder ji,

This was a very helpful post from you,

and so were the previous ones on this subject,

by Your goodself, which I missed appreciating.

Would like to confirm and add-

Alcohol and Non-Veg is certainly a No No

in this phase.

So is illicit sex, or evil thoughts or

endevaours in these directions.

Doing above actions would also spoil the

Jupiter in ones chart, for both Saturn and

Jupiter work hand in hand.

And one having Jupiter and Saturn both spoilt in

his chart, would lead a most miserable Life.

100 Hanuman Chalisas in one sitting,would be a

very difficult propposition for most,unless it

is done in a public manner,that is few of the

family members doing it together. 51 Hanuman

Chalisas would be more of a practical suggestion,

to be done every Tuesday or Saturday,

and 11 or 21 Hanuman Chalisas to be done on

on a daily basis.

But those who can do 100 Hanuman Chalisas

regularly, coupled with a proper ethical and moral

lifestyle,nothing is unachieveable for these

great souls.

The poor folks, subordinate class,

including sweepers, chaprasis, peons,liftman,

beggars, cobblers, old crippled people,

all of these represent Saturn, and any help

given to any of these,

would be recorded well by ShaniDev.

So would be small creatures like ants crawling

on the road. Feeding them would also bring in

the blessings.

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

, tajinder sian

<tajindersinghsian@ ...> wrote:

>

> Hello Vandan,

>

> I can empathise with what you are going through in sade sati. I

myself I have been through 1st and 2nd phase and now I am in my

final stage. I personally found that the best remedy is to become

spiritual and have devotion for your lord. To survive sade sati you

need to maintain a consistent spiritual practice / sadhana.

Consistency is the key. Try to find a fixed time in the day. You may

chant Hanuman chalisa daily - but if you are gonna do it, do it

consistently / daily. Let go of ego, meat/fish and alcohol. Become

humble. I find donating a few coins, every week, especially to

rubbish collectors and toilet cleaners extremely helpful.

>

> If your health is very bad, try and chant 100 hanuman chalisa in

one sitting. I did this and found it to be a miracle for me. Forget

stones/gems - Shani is not really interested in that - he wants to

see you spiritualised and devoted and to do something for yourself.

He is the greatest teacher of them all. I have learnt so much.

>

> Peace and light,

>

> Taj

>

> @ ...: danny101_in@ ...: Sun, 10 Feb 2008

03:13:40 -0800 Sade Saati -remedies

>

> Namaskar Gurujisi am going thru my 2nd phase of Sade Saati and

experiencing heath problems, please guide for

remedies,poojas, stones..My date of birth is 4th July 1973Place

baroda (Gujarat)Time 11:55 amplease help.RegardsVandan- --------- -----

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February 10, 2008

Sir,

You are right in Your way.

But we are not sure even if we give medicines

to poor people when they say, that someone is

ill in their family,and buy them these,

whether he will not sell them back to the

Chemist shop for return of cash.

Samre with many other items one donates.

Here the feeling at the time should be one

of detachment, " Neki kar dariya

mein dal " . One would then neither be

affected by the goodness

or the badness of the item donated

or is effect thereof on the recipient.

But one having done his duty, and

helped would certainly be recorded by the Gods.

It is the same principle advised in the Gita,

working here too. Do Your

duties, and leave the results or " Samarpan "

to " Bhagwaan Shri Krishna " .

I personally, never advise my clients to

donate money, but Food packets,like Vada-Pav,

Roti-sookhi allo ki subji, sandwiches, or

biscuits to be donated on Saturdays,

which I personally do whenever get the

opportunity.

But one need not be rigid, if I meet a leper

on the railway station, and do not have time to

buy him one plate of some eatable from the

railway stall, i would still leave him some money,

without bothering for what he does with that

money.

Unless you do such acts like putting money

in a undeserving beggars pot , regularly,

one need not fear the transfer of the karmas

on ones head, is what I believe. Here it

would be synonymous to giving regular pocket

money to a pampered son, who spends this money

on booze, women and gambling. Then certainly

the transfer of karmas would take place,

otherwise not.

rgrds/Bhaskar.

, Amitabh Shastri

<amitabh_shastri wrote:

>

> I would not advocate giving alms to any poor unless you are 100%

sure that he would use it for a good purpose. Most of them these

days use it for other purposes!!! Their unworthy actions then

results in transfer of their karma to the donor with subsequent

adverse results...so avoid giving coins or putting a few in the

beggar's pot on every Saturday.

>

> Best wishes,

> Amitabh Shastri

>

> Bhaskar <rajiventerprises

>

> Sunday, 10 February, 2008 5:29:41 PM

> Re: Sade Saati -remedies

>

Dear Tajinder ji,

>

> This was a very helpful post from you,

>

> and so were the previous ones on this subject,

>

> by Your goodself, which I missed appreciating.

>

> Would like to confirm and add-

>

> Alcohol and Non-Veg is certainly a No No

>

> in this phase.

>

> So is illicit sex, or evil thoughts or

>

> endevaours in these directions.

>

> Doing above actions would also spoil the

>

> Jupiter in ones chart, for both Saturn and

>

> Jupiter work hand in hand.

>

> And one having Jupiter and Saturn both spoilt in

>

> his chart, would lead a most miserable Life.

>

> 100 Hanuman Chalisas in one sitting,would be a

>

> very difficult propposition for most,unless it

>

> is done in a public manner,that is few of the

>

> family members doing it together. 51 Hanuman

>

> Chalisas would be more of a practical suggestion,

>

> to be done every Tuesday or Saturday,

>

> and 11 or 21 Hanuman Chalisas to be done on

>

> on a daily basis.

>

> But those who can do 100 Hanuman Chalisas

>

> regularly, coupled with a proper ethical and moral

>

> lifestyle,nothing is unachieveable for these

>

> great souls.

>

> The poor folks, subordinate class,

>

> including sweepers, chaprasis, peons,liftman,

>

> beggars, cobblers, old crippled people,

>

> all of these represent Saturn, and any help

>

> given to any of these,

>

> would be recorded well by ShaniDev.

>

> So would be small creatures like ants crawling

>

> on the road. Feeding them would also bring in

>

> the blessings.

>

> best wishes,

>

> Bhaskar.

>

> , tajinder sian

>

> <tajindersinghsian@ ...> wrote:

>

> >

>

> > Hello Vandan,

>

> >

>

> > I can empathise with what you are going through in sade sati. I

>

> myself I have been through 1st and 2nd phase and now I am in my

>

> final stage. I personally found that the best remedy is to become

>

> spiritual and have devotion for your lord. To survive sade sati

you

>

> need to maintain a consistent spiritual practice / sadhana.

>

> Consistency is the key. Try to find a fixed time in the day. You

may

>

> chant Hanuman chalisa daily - but if you are gonna do it, do it

>

> consistently / daily. Let go of ego, meat/fish and alcohol. Become

>

> humble. I find donating a few coins, every week, especially to

>

> rubbish collectors and toilet cleaners extremely helpful.

>

> >

>

> > If your health is very bad, try and chant 100 hanuman chalisa in

>

> one sitting. I did this and found it to be a miracle for me.

Forget

>

> stones/gems - Shani is not really interested in that - he wants to

>

> see you spiritualised and devoted and to do something for

yourself.

>

> He is the greatest teacher of them all. I have learnt so much.

>

> >

>

> > Peace and light,

>

> >

>

> > Taj

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > @ ...: danny101_in@ ...: Sun, 10 Feb 2008

>

> 03:13:40 -0800 Sade Saati -remedies

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Namaskar Gurujisi am going thru my 2nd phase of Sade Saati and

>

> experiencing heath problems, please guide for

>

> remedies,poojas, stones..My date of birth is 4th July 1973Place

>

> baroda (Gujarat)Time 11:55 amplease help.RegardsVandan- --------- -

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February 10, 2008

Amitabh, thats an Interesting take on it and Bhaskar I think I would agree with

you more. When giving coins to a poor person we could also send out a prayer for

that person that he/she may use the money for good purposes and that he/she be

blessed with righteousness. We could also send out a protection prayer for

ourselves that we be protected from any negative influences caused by giving

money to this person. I think that would work.

Peace and light,

Taj

: rajiventerprises: Sun,

10 Feb 2008 12:47:46 +0000Re: Sade Saati -remedies

Sir,You are right in Your way.But we are not sure even if we give medicinesto

poor people when they say, that someone is ill in their family,and buy them

these, whether he will not sell them back to the Chemist shop for return of

cash.Samre with many other items one donates.Here the feeling at the time should

be oneof detachment, " Neki kar dariyamein dal " . One would then neither be

affected by the goodnessor the badness of the item donatedor is effect thereof

on the recipient.But one having done his duty, andhelped would certainly be

recorded by the Gods.It is the same principle advised in the Gita,working here

too. Do Yourduties, and leave the results or " Samarpan " to " Bhagwaan Shri

Krishna " .I personally, never advise my clients to donate money, but Food

packets,like Vada-Pav, Roti-sookhi allo ki subji, sandwiches, or biscuits to be

donated on Saturdays, which I personally do whenever get theopportunity. But one

need not be rigid, if I meet a leper on the railway station, and do not have

time tobuy him one plate of some eatable from therailway stall, i would still

leave him some money,without bothering for what he does with thatmoney.Unless

you do such acts like putting moneyin a undeserving beggars pot , regularly,one

need not fear the transfer of the karmason ones head, is what I believe. Here

itwould be synonymous to giving regular pocketmoney to a pampered son, who

spends this moneyon booze, women and gambling. Then certainlythe transfer of

karmas would take place,otherwise not.rgrds/Bhaskar.--- In

, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri wrote:>>

I would not advocate giving alms to any poor unless you are 100% sure that he

would use it for a good purpose. Most of them these days use it for other

purposes!!! Their unworthy actions then results in transfer of their karma to

the donor with subsequent adverse results...so avoid giving coins or putting a

few in the beggar's pot on every Saturday.> > Best wishes,> Amitabh Shastri> >

> Bhaskar <rajiventerprises> To:

> Sunday, 10 February, 2008 5:29:41 PM>

Re: Sade Saati -remedies> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tajinder

ji,> > > > This was a very helpful post from you,> > and so were the previous

ones on this subject,> > by Your goodself, which I missed appreciating.> > > >

Would like to confirm and add- > > > > Alcohol and Non-Veg is certainly a No No>

> in this phase.> > So is illicit sex, or evil thoughts or> > endevaours in

these directions. > > Doing above actions would also spoil the > > Jupiter in

ones chart, for both Saturn and> > Jupiter work hand in hand. > > > > And one

having Jupiter and Saturn both spoilt in > > his chart, would lead a most

miserable Life.> > > > 100 Hanuman Chalisas in one sitting,would be a> > very

difficult propposition for most,unless it> > is done in a public manner,that is

few of the > > family members doing it together. 51 Hanuman> > Chalisas would be

more of a practical suggestion,> > to be done every Tuesday or Saturday,> > and

11 or 21 Hanuman Chalisas to be done on > > on a daily basis.> > But those who

can do 100 Hanuman Chalisas > > regularly, coupled with a proper ethical and

moral > > lifestyle,nothing is unachieveable for these> > great souls. > > > >

The poor folks, subordinate class,> > including sweepers, chaprasis,

peons,liftman,> > beggars, cobblers, old crippled people,> > all of these

represent Saturn, and any help> > given to any of these,> > would be recorded

well by ShaniDev.> > So would be small creatures like ants crawling> > on the

road. Feeding them would also bring in> > the blessings.> > > > best wishes,> >

Bhaskar.> > > > , tajinder sian > >

<tajindersinghsian@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Hello Vandan,> > > > > > I can

empathise with what you are going through in sade sati. I > > myself I have been

through 1st and 2nd phase and now I am in my > > final stage. I personally found

that the best remedy is to become > > spiritual and have devotion for your lord.

To survive sade sati you > > need to maintain a consistent spiritual practice /

sadhana. > > Consistency is the key. Try to find a fixed time in the day. You

may > > chant Hanuman chalisa daily - but if you are gonna do it, do it > >

consistently / daily. Let go of ego, meat/fish and alcohol. Become > > humble. I

find donating a few coins, every week, especially to > > rubbish collectors and

toilet cleaners extremely helpful. > > > > > > If your health is very bad, try

and chant 100 hanuman chalisa in > > one sitting. I did this and found it to be

a miracle for me. Forget > > stones/gems - Shani is not really interested in

that - he wants to > > see you spiritualised and devoted and to do something for

yourself. > > He is the greatest teacher of them all. I have learnt so much.> >

> > > > Peace and light,> > > > > > Taj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To:

@ ...: danny101_in@ ...: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 > > 03:13:40

-0800 Sade Saati -remedies> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar

Gurujisi am going thru my 2nd phase of Sade Saati and > > experiencing heath

problems, please guide for > > remedies,poojas, stones..My date of birth is 4th

July 1973Place > > baroda (Gujarat)Time 11:55 amplease help.RegardsVandan-

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February 10, 2008

Yes I agree with him, money given to a undeserving

candidate is not good, apart from the exceptions I

mentioned, like the case of the leper or old man one

meets at the station, and the train is just

approaching, with no time

on hand, I would rather give him some

coins, then think of repurcussions of the usage

of coins by that person.

I recently just advised a big man, to donate

Kambals and woolen winterwear, to the army soldiers

stationed in the snow clad regions of North India,

and he wished to go through the NGO's. which i

advised him against, instead suggested

him to get the List of regiments connected

with these regions, from the Army HQ,

and contact them directly,and do this service

personally,so that the donation is assured.

Kambals, would also take care of the remedial

measures of Rahu and Ketu,alongwith Saturn,

and provides a good opportunity in such cold

times,for one to propitate the planets,

of course to those who have the money

to do so, otherwise as Tajinder ji mentioned,

we have enough remedial measures which are

effective too, like putting Kesar Tilak

on Forehead, and many of such others,

which do not cost money.

regards,

Bhaskar.

, tajinder sian

<tajindersinghsian wrote:

>

> Amitabh, thats an Interesting take on it and Bhaskar I think I

would agree with you more. When giving coins to a poor person we

could also send out a prayer for that person that he/she may use the

money for good purposes and that he/she be blessed with

righteousness. We could also send out a protection prayer for

ourselves that we be protected from any negative influences caused

by giving money to this person. I think that would work.

>

> Peace and light,

>

> Taj

>

> : rajiventerprises: Sun, 10 Feb 2008

12:47:46 +0000Re: Sade Saati -remedies

>

> Sir,You are right in Your way.But we are not sure even if we give

medicinesto poor people when they say, that someone is ill in their

family,and buy them these, whether he will not sell them back to the

Chemist shop for return of cash.Samre with many other items one

donates.Here the feeling at the time should be oneof

detachment, " Neki kar dariyamein dal " . One would then neither be

affected by the goodnessor the badness of the item donatedor is

effect thereof on the recipient.But one having done his duty,

andhelped would certainly be recorded by the Gods.It is the same

principle advised in the Gita,working here too. Do Yourduties, and

leave the results or " Samarpan " to " Bhagwaan Shri Krishna " .I

personally, never advise my clients to donate money, but Food

packets,like Vada-Pav, Roti-sookhi allo ki subji, sandwiches, or

biscuits to be donated on Saturdays, which I personally do whenever

get theopportunity. But one need not be rigid, if I meet a leper on

the railway station, and do not have time tobuy him one plate of

some eatable from therailway stall, i would still leave him some

money,without bothering for what he does with thatmoney.Unless you

do such acts like putting moneyin a undeserving beggars pot ,

regularly,one need not fear the transfer of the karmason ones head,

is what I believe. Here itwould be synonymous to giving regular

pocketmoney to a pampered son, who spends this moneyon booze, women

and gambling. Then certainlythe transfer of karmas would take

place,otherwise not.rgrds/Bhaskar.--- In

, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@>

wrote:>> I would not advocate giving alms to any poor unless you are

100% sure that he would use it for a good purpose. Most of them

these days use it for other purposes!!! Their unworthy actions then

results in transfer of their karma to the donor with subsequent

adverse results...so avoid giving coins or putting a few in the

beggar's pot on every Saturday.> > Best wishes,> Amitabh Shastri> > -

---- Original Message ----> Bhaskar <rajiventerprises@>> To:

> Sunday, 10 February, 2008

5:29:41 PM> Re: Sade Saati -remedies> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > Dear Tajinder ji,> > > > This was a very helpful post from

you,> > and so were the previous ones on this subject,> > by Your

goodself, which I missed appreciating.> > > > Would like to confirm

and add- > > > > Alcohol and Non-Veg is certainly a No No> > in this

phase.> > So is illicit sex, or evil thoughts or> > endevaours in

these directions. > > Doing above actions would also spoil the > >

Jupiter in ones chart, for both Saturn and> > Jupiter work hand in

hand. > > > > And one having Jupiter and Saturn both spoilt in > >

his chart, would lead a most miserable Life.> > > > 100 Hanuman

Chalisas in one sitting,would be a> > very difficult propposition

for most,unless it> > is done in a public manner,that is few of the

> > family members doing it together. 51 Hanuman> > Chalisas would

be more of a practical suggestion,> > to be done every Tuesday or

Saturday,> > and 11 or 21 Hanuman Chalisas to be done on > > on a

daily basis.> > But those who can do 100 Hanuman Chalisas > >

regularly, coupled with a proper ethical and moral > >

lifestyle,nothing is unachieveable for these> > great souls. > > > >

The poor folks, subordinate class,> > including sweepers, chaprasis,

peons,liftman,> > beggars, cobblers, old crippled people,> > all of

these represent Saturn, and any help> > given to any of these,> >

would be recorded well by ShaniDev.> > So would be small creatures

like ants crawling> > on the road. Feeding them would also bring in>

> the blessings.> > > > best wishes,> > Bhaskar.> > > > --- In

, tajinder sian > >

<tajindersinghsian@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Hello Vandan,> > > > > > I

can empathise with what you are going through in sade sati. I > >

myself I have been through 1st and 2nd phase and now I am in my > >

final stage. I personally found that the best remedy is to become >

> spiritual and have devotion for your lord. To survive sade sati

you > > need to maintain a consistent spiritual practice / sadhana.

> > Consistency is the key. Try to find a fixed time in the day. You

may > > chant Hanuman chalisa daily - but if you are gonna do it, do

it > > consistently / daily. Let go of ego, meat/fish and alcohol.

Become > > humble. I find donating a few coins, every week,

especially to > > rubbish collectors and toilet cleaners extremely

helpful. > > > > > > If your health is very bad, try and chant 100

hanuman chalisa in > > one sitting. I did this and found it to be a

miracle for me. Forget > > stones/gems - Shani is not really

interested in that - he wants to > > see you spiritualised and

devoted and to do something for yourself. > > He is the greatest

teacher of them all. I have learnt so much.> > > > > > Peace and

light,> > > > > > Taj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To:

@ ...: danny101_in@ ...: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 > >

03:13:40 -0800 Sade Saati -remedies> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > Namaskar Gurujisi am going thru my 2nd phase of Sade Saati

and > > experiencing heath problems, please guide for > >

remedies,poojas, stones..My date of birth is 4th July 1973Place > >

baroda (Gujarat)Time 11:55 amplease help.RegardsVandan- --------- ---

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Namaste ji,

A human being dont need reminding about his self interests,, it is an

in built quality in Kalyug..

Sriguru Nanakji gave all the provisions away from his uncle,s shop

saying,, tera,tera.. (incidentally Sikhs believe number 13 is lucky

due to similairity of tera and teran-13)

In a world driven by Mera, mera.. any act of .. tera, tera will bring

the blessing of the gods..

Warmest regards

Sheevani

, " Bhaskar "

<rajiventerprises wrote:

>

> Yes I agree with him, money given to a undeserving

> candidate is not good, apart from the exceptions I

> mentioned, like the case of the leper or old man one

> meets at the station, and the train is just

> approaching, with no time

> on hand, I would rather give him some

> coins, then think of repurcussions of the usage

> of coins by that person.

>

> I recently just advised a big man, to donate

> Kambals and woolen winterwear, to the army soldiers

> stationed in the snow clad regions of North India,

> and he wished to go through the NGO's. which i

> advised him against, instead suggested

> him to get the List of regiments connected

> with these regions, from the Army HQ,

> and contact them directly,and do this service

> personally,so that the donation is assured.

>

> Kambals, would also take care of the remedial

> measures of Rahu and Ketu,alongwith Saturn,

> and provides a good opportunity in such cold

> times,for one to propitate the planets,

> of course to those who have the money

> to do so, otherwise as Tajinder ji mentioned,

> we have enough remedial measures which are

> effective too, like putting Kesar Tilak

> on Forehead, and many of such others,

> which do not cost money.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

> , tajinder sian

> <tajindersinghsian@> wrote:

> >

> > Amitabh, thats an Interesting take on it and Bhaskar I think I

> would agree with you more. When giving coins to a poor person we

> could also send out a prayer for that person that he/she may use

the

> money for good purposes and that he/she be blessed with

> righteousness. We could also send out a protection prayer for

> ourselves that we be protected from any negative influences caused

> by giving money to this person. I think that would work.

> >

> > Peace and light,

> >

> > Taj

> >

> > @: rajiventerprises@: Sun, 10 Feb 2008

> 12:47:46 +0000Re: Sade Saati -remedies

> >

> > Sir,You are right in Your way.But we are not sure even if we give

> medicinesto poor people when they say, that someone is ill in their

> family,and buy them these, whether he will not sell them back to

the

> Chemist shop for return of cash.Samre with many other items one

> donates.Here the feeling at the time should be oneof

> detachment, " Neki kar dariyamein dal " . One would then neither be

> affected by the goodnessor the badness of the item donatedor is

> effect thereof on the recipient.But one having done his duty,

> andhelped would certainly be recorded by the Gods.It is the same

> principle advised in the Gita,working here too. Do Yourduties, and

> leave the results or " Samarpan " to " Bhagwaan Shri Krishna " .I

> personally, never advise my clients to donate money, but Food

> packets,like Vada-Pav, Roti-sookhi allo ki subji, sandwiches, or

> biscuits to be donated on Saturdays, which I personally do whenever

> get theopportunity. But one need not be rigid, if I meet a leper on

> the railway station, and do not have time tobuy him one plate of

> some eatable from therailway stall, i would still leave him some

> money,without bothering for what he does with thatmoney.Unless you

> do such acts like putting moneyin a undeserving beggars pot ,

> regularly,one need not fear the transfer of the karmason ones head,

> is what I believe. Here itwould be synonymous to giving regular

> pocketmoney to a pampered son, who spends this moneyon booze, women

> and gambling. Then certainlythe transfer of karmas would take

> place,otherwise not.rgrds/Bhaskar.--- In

> , Amitabh Shastri

<amitabh_shastri@>

> wrote:>> I would not advocate giving alms to any poor unless you

are

> 100% sure that he would use it for a good purpose. Most of them

> these days use it for other purposes!!! Their unworthy actions then

> results in transfer of their karma to the donor with subsequent

> adverse results...so avoid giving coins or putting a few in the

> beggar's pot on every Saturday.> > Best wishes,> Amitabh Shastri>

> -

> ---- Original Message ----> Bhaskar <rajiventerprises@>> To:

> > Sunday, 10 February, 2008

> 5:29:41 PM> Re: Sade Saati -remedies> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Tajinder ji,> > > > This was a very helpful post

from

> you,> > and so were the previous ones on this subject,> > by Your

> goodself, which I missed appreciating.> > > > Would like to confirm

> and add- > > > > Alcohol and Non-Veg is certainly a No No> > in

this

> phase.> > So is illicit sex, or evil thoughts or> > endevaours in

> these directions. > > Doing above actions would also spoil the > >

> Jupiter in ones chart, for both Saturn and> > Jupiter work hand in

> hand. > > > > And one having Jupiter and Saturn both spoilt in > >

> his chart, would lead a most miserable Life.> > > > 100 Hanuman

> Chalisas in one sitting,would be a> > very difficult propposition

> for most,unless it> > is done in a public manner,that is few of the

> > > family members doing it together. 51 Hanuman> > Chalisas would

> be more of a practical suggestion,> > to be done every Tuesday or

> Saturday,> > and 11 or 21 Hanuman Chalisas to be done on > > on a

> daily basis.> > But those who can do 100 Hanuman Chalisas > >

> regularly, coupled with a proper ethical and moral > >

> lifestyle,nothing is unachieveable for these> > great souls. > > >

>

> The poor folks, subordinate class,> > including sweepers,

chaprasis,

> peons,liftman,> > beggars, cobblers, old crippled people,> > all of

> these represent Saturn, and any help> > given to any of these,> >

> would be recorded well by ShaniDev.> > So would be small creatures

> like ants crawling> > on the road. Feeding them would also bring

in>

> > the blessings.> > > > best wishes,> > Bhaskar.> > > > --- In

> , tajinder sian > >

> <tajindersinghsian@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Hello Vandan,> > > > > >

I

> can empathise with what you are going through in sade sati. I > >

> myself I have been through 1st and 2nd phase and now I am in my > >

> final stage. I personally found that the best remedy is to become >

> > spiritual and have devotion for your lord. To survive sade sati

> you > > need to maintain a consistent spiritual practice / sadhana.

> > > Consistency is the key. Try to find a fixed time in the day.

You

> may > > chant Hanuman chalisa daily - but if you are gonna do it,

do

> it > > consistently / daily. Let go of ego, meat/fish and alcohol.

> Become > > humble. I find donating a few coins, every week,

> especially to > > rubbish collectors and toilet cleaners extremely

> helpful. > > > > > > If your health is very bad, try and chant 100

> hanuman chalisa in > > one sitting. I did this and found it to be a

> miracle for me. Forget > > stones/gems - Shani is not really

> interested in that - he wants to > > see you spiritualised and

> devoted and to do something for yourself. > > He is the greatest

> teacher of them all. I have learnt so much.> > > > > > Peace and

> light,> > > > > > Taj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To:

> @ ...: danny101_in@ ...: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 > >

> 03:13:40 -0800 Sade Saati -remedies> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaskar Gurujisi am going thru my 2nd phase of Sade

Saati

> and > > experiencing heath problems, please guide for > >

> remedies,poojas, stones..My date of birth is 4th July 1973Place > >

> baroda (Gujarat)Time 11:55 amplease help.RegardsVandan- --------- --

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February 10, 2008

Namaste,

Sant Guru Nanakji's photo adorns my Pooja

room. He was a great saint.

The Number 13, is misnuderstood by many, to be

an evil number, whereas it is not so

in reality. Unless if the Number 13 is related

with bad people,acts of sins, illegal works,

and codemned acts, the 13 number will never

prove bad to the person connected with it.

If related with above actions, then the person

connected would be doomed in this life and hereafter,

for many centuries. At the same time a person

connected with number 13, and a good man, then all

providential help would be recievd by this person,

and Grace of Gods would descend on him.

rgrds/Bhaskar.

, " sheevani147 "

<sheevani147 wrote:

>

> Namaste ji,

>

> A human being dont need reminding about his self interests,, it is

an

> in built quality in Kalyug..

>

> Sriguru Nanakji gave all the provisions away from his uncle,s shop

> saying,, tera,tera.. (incidentally Sikhs believe number 13 is

lucky

> due to similairity of tera and teran-13)

>

> In a world driven by Mera, mera.. any act of .. tera, tera will

bring

> the blessing of the gods..

>

> Warmest regards

> Sheevani

>

> , " Bhaskar "

> <rajiventerprises@> wrote:

> >

> > Yes I agree with him, money given to a undeserving

> > candidate is not good, apart from the exceptions I

> > mentioned, like the case of the leper or old man one

> > meets at the station, and the train is just

> > approaching, with no time

> > on hand, I would rather give him some

> > coins, then think of repurcussions of the usage

> > of coins by that person.

> >

> > I recently just advised a big man, to donate

> > Kambals and woolen winterwear, to the army soldiers

> > stationed in the snow clad regions of North India,

> > and he wished to go through the NGO's. which i

> > advised him against, instead suggested

> > him to get the List of regiments connected

> > with these regions, from the Army HQ,

> > and contact them directly,and do this service

> > personally,so that the donation is assured.

> >

> > Kambals, would also take care of the remedial

> > measures of Rahu and Ketu,alongwith Saturn,

> > and provides a good opportunity in such cold

> > times,for one to propitate the planets,

> > of course to those who have the money

> > to do so, otherwise as Tajinder ji mentioned,

> > we have enough remedial measures which are

> > effective too, like putting Kesar Tilak

> > on Forehead, and many of such others,

> > which do not cost money.

> >

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > , tajinder sian

> > <tajindersinghsian@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Amitabh, thats an Interesting take on it and Bhaskar I think I

> > would agree with you more. When giving coins to a poor person we

> > could also send out a prayer for that person that he/she may use

> the

> > money for good purposes and that he/she be blessed with

> > righteousness. We could also send out a protection prayer for

> > ourselves that we be protected from any negative influences

caused

> > by giving money to this person. I think that would work.

> > >

> > > Peace and light,

> > >

> > > Taj

> > >

> > > @: rajiventerprises@: Sun, 10 Feb 2008

> > 12:47:46 +0000Re: Sade Saati -remedies

> > >

> > > Sir,You are right in Your way.But we are not sure even if we

give

> > medicinesto poor people when they say, that someone is ill in

their

> > family,and buy them these, whether he will not sell them back to

> the

> > Chemist shop for return of cash.Samre with many other items one

> > donates.Here the feeling at the time should be oneof

> > detachment, " Neki kar dariyamein dal " . One would then neither be

> > affected by the goodnessor the badness of the item donatedor is

> > effect thereof on the recipient.But one having done his duty,

> > andhelped would certainly be recorded by the Gods.It is the same

> > principle advised in the Gita,working here too. Do Yourduties,

and

> > leave the results or " Samarpan " to " Bhagwaan Shri Krishna " .I

> > personally, never advise my clients to donate money, but Food

> > packets,like Vada-Pav, Roti-sookhi allo ki subji, sandwiches, or

> > biscuits to be donated on Saturdays, which I personally do

whenever

> > get theopportunity. But one need not be rigid, if I meet a leper

on

> > the railway station, and do not have time tobuy him one plate of

> > some eatable from therailway stall, i would still leave him some

> > money,without bothering for what he does with thatmoney.Unless

you

> > do such acts like putting moneyin a undeserving beggars pot ,

> > regularly,one need not fear the transfer of the karmason ones

head,

> > is what I believe. Here itwould be synonymous to giving regular

> > pocketmoney to a pampered son, who spends this moneyon booze,

women

> > and gambling. Then certainlythe transfer of karmas would take

> > place,otherwise not.rgrds/Bhaskar.--- In

> > , Amitabh Shastri

> <amitabh_shastri@>

> > wrote:>> I would not advocate giving alms to any poor unless you

> are

> > 100% sure that he would use it for a good purpose. Most of them

> > these days use it for other purposes!!! Their unworthy actions

then

> > results in transfer of their karma to the donor with subsequent

> > adverse results...so avoid giving coins or putting a few in the

> > beggar's pot on every Saturday.> > Best wishes,> Amitabh

Shastri>

> > -

> > ---- Original Message ----> Bhaskar <rajiventerprises@>>

To:

> > > Sunday, 10 February,

2008

> > 5:29:41 PM> Re: Sade Saati -remedies> > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > Dear Tajinder ji,> > > > This was a very helpful post

> from

> > you,> > and so were the previous ones on this subject,> > by

Your

> > goodself, which I missed appreciating.> > > > Would like to

confirm

> > and add- > > > > Alcohol and Non-Veg is certainly a No No> > in

> this

> > phase.> > So is illicit sex, or evil thoughts or> > endevaours

in

> > these directions. > > Doing above actions would also spoil the >

>

> > Jupiter in ones chart, for both Saturn and> > Jupiter work hand

in

> > hand. > > > > And one having Jupiter and Saturn both spoilt in >

>

> > his chart, would lead a most miserable Life.> > > > 100 Hanuman

> > Chalisas in one sitting,would be a> > very difficult

propposition

> > for most,unless it> > is done in a public manner,that is few of

the

> > > > family members doing it together. 51 Hanuman> > Chalisas

would

> > be more of a practical suggestion,> > to be done every Tuesday

or

> > Saturday,> > and 11 or 21 Hanuman Chalisas to be done on > > on

a

> > daily basis.> > But those who can do 100 Hanuman Chalisas > >

> > regularly, coupled with a proper ethical and moral > >

> > lifestyle,nothing is unachieveable for these> > great souls. > >

>

> >

> > The poor folks, subordinate class,> > including sweepers,

> chaprasis,

> > peons,liftman,> > beggars, cobblers, old crippled people,> > all

of

> > these represent Saturn, and any help> > given to any of these,>

>

> > would be recorded well by ShaniDev.> > So would be small

creatures

> > like ants crawling> > on the road. Feeding them would also bring

> in>

> > > the blessings.> > > > best wishes,> > Bhaskar.> > > > --- In

> > , tajinder sian > >

> > <tajindersinghsian@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Hello Vandan,> > > > >

>

> I

> > can empathise with what you are going through in sade sati. I >

>

> > myself I have been through 1st and 2nd phase and now I am in my

> >

> > final stage. I personally found that the best remedy is to

become >

> > > spiritual and have devotion for your lord. To survive sade

sati

> > you > > need to maintain a consistent spiritual practice /

sadhana.

> > > > Consistency is the key. Try to find a fixed time in the day.

> You

> > may > > chant Hanuman chalisa daily - but if you are gonna do

it,

> do

> > it > > consistently / daily. Let go of ego, meat/fish and

alcohol.

> > Become > > humble. I find donating a few coins, every week,

> > especially to > > rubbish collectors and toilet cleaners

extremely

> > helpful. > > > > > > If your health is very bad, try and chant

100

> > hanuman chalisa in > > one sitting. I did this and found it to

be a

> > miracle for me. Forget > > stones/gems - Shani is not really

> > interested in that - he wants to > > see you spiritualised and

> > devoted and to do something for yourself. > > He is the greatest

> > teacher of them all. I have learnt so much.> > > > > > Peace and

> > light,> > > > > > Taj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To:

> > @ ...: danny101_in@ ...: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 > >

> > 03:13:40 -0800 Sade Saati -remedies> > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > Namaskar Gurujisi am going thru my 2nd phase of Sade

> Saati

> > and > > experiencing heath problems, please guide for > >

> > remedies,poojas, stones..My date of birth is 4th July 1973Place

> >

> > baroda (Gujarat)Time 11:55 amplease help.RegardsVandan- ---------

--

> -

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> > homepage.[Non-> > text portions of this message have been

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February 10, 2008

Dhan Dhan Shri Guru Nanak Dev Ji...Hindu ka Guru...Musalman ka Fakir...

: rajiventerprises: Sun,

10 Feb 2008 14:25:34 +0000Re: Sade Saati -remedies

Namaste,Sant Guru Nanakji's photo adorns my Poojaroom. He was a great saint.The

Number 13, is misnuderstood by many, to bean evil number, whereas it is not soin

reality. Unless if the Number 13 is related with bad people,acts of sins,

illegal works,and codemned acts, the 13 number will neverprove bad to the person

connected with it.If related with above actions, then the personconnected would

be doomed in this life and hereafter,for many centuries. At the same time a

person connected with number 13, and a good man, then all providential help

would be recievd by this person, and Grace of Gods would descend on

him.rgrds/Bhaskar. , " sheevani147 "

<sheevani147 wrote:>> Namaste ji,> > A human being dont need reminding

about his self interests,, it is an > in built quality in Kalyug..> > Sriguru

Nanakji gave all the provisions away from his uncle,s shop > saying,,

tera,tera.. (incidentally Sikhs believe number 13 is lucky > due to similairity

of tera and teran-13)> > In a world driven by Mera, mera.. any act of .. tera,

tera will bring > the blessing of the gods..> > > Warmest regards> Sheevani> > >

> , " Bhaskar " > <rajiventerprises@>

wrote:> >> > Yes I agree with him, money given to a undeserving> > candidate is

not good, apart from the exceptions I> > mentioned, like the case of the leper

or old man one> > meets at the station, and the train is just> > approaching,

with no time> > on hand, I would rather give him some> > coins, then think of

repurcussions of the usage> > of coins by that person.> > > > I recently just

advised a big man, to donate> > Kambals and woolen winterwear, to the army

soldiers> > stationed in the snow clad regions of North India,> > and he wished

to go through the NGO's. which i > > advised him against, instead suggested> >

him to get the List of regiments connected> > with these regions, from the Army

HQ,> > and contact them directly,and do this service > > personally,so that the

donation is assured.> > > > Kambals, would also take care of the remedial> >

measures of Rahu and Ketu,alongwith Saturn,> > and provides a good opportunity

in such cold > > times,for one to propitate the planets,> > of course to those

who have the money> > to do so, otherwise as Tajinder ji mentioned,> > we have

enough remedial measures which are> > effective too, like putting Kesar Tilak> >

on Forehead, and many of such others,> > which do not cost money.> > > >

regards,> > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

, tajinder sian > > <tajindersinghsian@> wrote:>

> >> > > > > > Amitabh, thats an Interesting take on it and Bhaskar I think I >

> would agree with you more. When giving coins to a poor person we > > could

also send out a prayer for that person that he/she may use > the > > money for

good purposes and that he/she be blessed with > > righteousness. We could also

send out a protection prayer for > > ourselves that we be protected from any

negative influences caused > > by giving money to this person. I think that

would work.> > > > > > Peace and light,> > > > > > Taj > > > > > > > > > To:

@: rajiventerprises@: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 > > 12:47:46

+0000Re: Sade Saati -remedies> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir,You

are right in Your way.But we are not sure even if we give > > medicinesto poor

people when they say, that someone is ill in their > > family,and buy them

these, whether he will not sell them back to > the > > Chemist shop for return

of cash.Samre with many other items one > > donates.Here the feeling at the time

should be oneof > > detachment, " Neki kar dariyamein dal " . One would then

neither be > > affected by the goodnessor the badness of the item donatedor is >

> effect thereof on the recipient.But one having done his duty, > > andhelped

would certainly be recorded by the Gods.It is the same > > principle advised in

the Gita,working here too. Do Yourduties, and > > leave the results or

" Samarpan " to " Bhagwaan Shri Krishna " .I > > personally, never advise my clients

to donate money, but Food > > packets,like Vada-Pav, Roti-sookhi allo ki subji,

sandwiches, or > > biscuits to be donated on Saturdays, which I personally do

whenever > > get theopportunity. But one need not be rigid, if I meet a leper on

> > the railway station, and do not have time tobuy him one plate of > > some

eatable from therailway stall, i would still leave him some > > money,without

bothering for what he does with thatmoney.Unless you > > do such acts like

putting moneyin a undeserving beggars pot , > > regularly,one need not fear the

transfer of the karmason ones head, > > is what I believe. Here itwould be

synonymous to giving regular > > pocketmoney to a pampered son, who spends this

moneyon booze, women > > and gambling. Then certainlythe transfer of karmas

would take > > place,otherwise not.rgrds/Bhaskar.> >

, Amitabh Shastri > <amitabh_shastri@> > >

wrote:>> I would not advocate giving alms to any poor unless you > are > > 100%

sure that he would use it for a good purpose. Most of them > > these days use it

for other purposes!!! Their unworthy actions then > > results in transfer of

their karma to the donor with subsequent > > adverse results...so avoid giving

coins or putting a few in the > > beggar's pot on every Saturday.> > Best

wishes,> Amitabh Shastri> > > -> > ---- Original Message ----> Bhaskar

<rajiventerprises@>> > > > Sunday, 10

February, 2008 > > 5:29:41 PM> Re: Sade Saati -remedies> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Tajinder ji,> > > > This was a very helpful post > from

> > you,> > and so were the previous ones on this subject,> > by Your > >

goodself, which I missed appreciating.> > > > Would like to confirm > > and add-

> > > > Alcohol and Non-Veg is certainly a No No> > in > this > > phase.> > So

is illicit sex, or evil thoughts or> > endevaours in > > these directions. > >

Doing above actions would also spoil the > > > > Jupiter in ones chart, for both

Saturn and> > Jupiter work hand in > > hand. > > > > And one having Jupiter and

Saturn both spoilt in > > > > his chart, would lead a most miserable Life.> > >

> 100 Hanuman > > Chalisas in one sitting,would be a> > very difficult

propposition > > for most,unless it> > is done in a public manner,that is few of

the > > > > family members doing it together. 51 Hanuman> > Chalisas would > >

be more of a practical suggestion,> > to be done every Tuesday or > > Saturday,>

> and 11 or 21 Hanuman Chalisas to be done on > > on a > > daily basis.> > But

those who can do 100 Hanuman Chalisas > > > > regularly, coupled with a proper

ethical and moral > > > > lifestyle,nothing is unachieveable for these> > great

souls. > > > > > > > The poor folks, subordinate class,> > including sweepers, >

chaprasis, > > peons,liftman,> > beggars, cobblers, old crippled people,> > all

of > > these represent Saturn, and any help> > given to any of these,> > > >

would be recorded well by ShaniDev.> > So would be small creatures > > like ants

crawling> > on the road. Feeding them would also bring > in> > > > the

blessings.> > > > best wishes,> > Bhaskar.> > > > > > @

. com, tajinder sian > > > > <tajindersinghsian@ ...> wrote:> > >> >

> Hello Vandan,> > > > > > > I > > can empathise with what you are going through

in sade sati. I > > > > myself I have been through 1st and 2nd phase and now I

am in my > > > > final stage. I personally found that the best remedy is to

become > > > > spiritual and have devotion for your lord. To survive sade sati >

> you > > need to maintain a consistent spiritual practice / sadhana. > > > >

Consistency is the key. Try to find a fixed time in the day. > You > > may > >

chant Hanuman chalisa daily - but if you are gonna do it, > do > > it > >

consistently / daily. Let go of ego, meat/fish and alcohol. > > Become > >

humble. I find donating a few coins, every week, > > especially to > > rubbish

collectors and toilet cleaners extremely > > helpful. > > > > > > If your health

is very bad, try and chant 100 > > hanuman chalisa in > > one sitting. I did

this and found it to be a > > miracle for me. Forget > > stones/gems - Shani is

not really > > interested in that - he wants to > > see you spiritualised and >

> devoted and to do something for yourself. > > He is the greatest > > teacher

of them all. I have learnt so much.> > > > > > Peace and > > light,> > > > > >

Taj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ ...: danny101_in@

....: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 > > > > 03:13:40 -0800 Sade Saati -remedies>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar Gurujisi am going thru my 2nd phase of

Sade > Saati > > and > > experiencing heath problems, please guide for > > > >

remedies,poojas, stones..My date of birth is 4th July 1973Place > > > > baroda

(Gujarat)Time 11:55 amplease help.RegardsVandan- -----------> -> > --> >

------------ ------Never miss a thing. Make your > > homepage.[Non-> >

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Namaste ji

//In a world driven by Mera, mera.. any act of .. tera, tera will

bring

> the blessing of the gods..//

It is important to understand the concept of 'tera tera' .. it means

with detachment and no acknowledgement to self..

Warmest Regards

Sheevani

, tajinder sian

<tajindersinghsian wrote:

>

> Dhan Dhan Shri Guru Nanak Dev Ji...Hindu ka Guru...Musalman ka

Fakir...

>

> : rajiventerprises: Sun, 10 Feb 2008

14:25:34 +0000Re: Sade Saati -remedies

>

> Namaste,Sant Guru Nanakji's photo adorns my Poojaroom. He was a

great saint.The Number 13, is misnuderstood by many, to bean evil

number, whereas it is not soin reality. Unless if the Number 13 is

related with bad people,acts of sins, illegal works,and codemned

acts, the 13 number will neverprove bad to the person connected with

it.If related with above actions, then the personconnected would be

doomed in this life and hereafter,for many centuries. At the same

time a person connected with number 13, and a good man, then all

providential help would be recievd by this person, and Grace of Gods

would descend on him.rgrds/Bhaskar. --- In

, " sheevani147 " <sheevani147@>

wrote:>> Namaste ji,> > A human being dont need reminding about his

self interests,, it is an > in built quality in Kalyug..> > Sriguru

Nanakji gave all the provisions away from his uncle,s shop > saying,,

tera,tera.. (incidentally Sikhs believe number 13 is lucky > due to

similairity of tera and teran-13)> > In a world driven by Mera,

mera.. any act of .. tera, tera will bring > the blessing of the

gods..> > > Warmest regards> Sheevani> > > > --- In

, " Bhaskar " > <rajiventerprises@>

wrote:> >> > Yes I agree with him, money given to a undeserving> >

candidate is not good, apart from the exceptions I> > mentioned, like

the case of the leper or old man one> > meets at the station, and the

train is just> > approaching, with no time> > on hand, I would rather

give him some> > coins, then think of repurcussions of the usage> >

of coins by that person.> > > > I recently just advised a big man, to

donate> > Kambals and woolen winterwear, to the army soldiers> >

stationed in the snow clad regions of North India,> > and he wished

to go through the NGO's. which i > > advised him against, instead

suggested> > him to get the List of regiments connected> > with these

regions, from the Army HQ,> > and contact them directly,and do this

service > > personally,so that the donation is assured.> > > >

Kambals, would also take care of the remedial> > measures of Rahu and

Ketu,alongwith Saturn,> > and provides a good opportunity in such

cold > > times,for one to propitate the planets,> > of course to

those who have the money> > to do so, otherwise as Tajinder ji

mentioned,> > we have enough remedial measures which are> > effective

too, like putting Kesar Tilak> > on Forehead, and many of such

others,> > which do not cost money.> > > > regards,> > Bhaskar.> > >

> > > > > > > > > , tajinder

sian > > <tajindersinghsian@> wrote:> > >> > > > > > Amitabh, thats

an Interesting take on it and Bhaskar I think I > > would agree with

you more. When giving coins to a poor person we > > could also send

out a prayer for that person that he/she may use > the > > money for

good purposes and that he/she be blessed with > > righteousness. We

could also send out a protection prayer for > > ourselves that we be

protected from any negative influences caused > > by giving money to

this person. I think that would work.> > > > > > Peace and light,> >

> > > > Taj > > > > > > > > > @:

rajiventerprises@: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 > > 12:47:46 +0000Re:

Sade Saati -remedies> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir,You are

right in Your way.But we are not sure even if we give > > medicinesto

poor people when they say, that someone is ill in their > >

family,and buy them these, whether he will not sell them back to >

the > > Chemist shop for return of cash.Samre with many other items

one > > donates.Here the feeling at the time should be oneof > >

detachment, " Neki kar dariyamein dal " . One would then neither be > >

affected by the goodnessor the badness of the item donatedor is > >

effect thereof on the recipient.But one having done his duty, > >

andhelped would certainly be recorded by the Gods.It is the same > >

principle advised in the Gita,working here too. Do Yourduties, and >

> leave the results or " Samarpan " to " Bhagwaan Shri Krishna " .I > >

personally, never advise my clients to donate money, but Food > >

packets,like Vada-Pav, Roti-sookhi allo ki subji, sandwiches, or > >

biscuits to be donated on Saturdays, which I personally do whenever >

> get theopportunity. But one need not be rigid, if I meet a leper on

> > the railway station, and do not have time tobuy him one plate of

> > some eatable from therailway stall, i would still leave him some

> > money,without bothering for what he does with thatmoney.Unless

you > > do such acts like putting moneyin a undeserving beggars pot ,

> > regularly,one need not fear the transfer of the karmason ones

head, > > is what I believe. Here itwould be synonymous to giving

regular > > pocketmoney to a pampered son, who spends this moneyon

booze, women > > and gambling. Then certainlythe transfer of karmas

would take > > place,otherwise not.rgrds/Bhaskar.> >

, Amitabh Shastri >

<amitabh_shastri@> > > wrote:>> I would not advocate giving alms to

any poor unless you > are > > 100% sure that he would use it for a

good purpose. Most of them > > these days use it for other

purposes!!! Their unworthy actions then > > results in transfer of

their karma to the donor with subsequent > > adverse results...so

avoid giving coins or putting a few in the > > beggar's pot on every

Saturday.> > Best wishes,> Amitabh Shastri> > > -> > ---- Original

Message ----> Bhaskar <rajiventerprises@>> > >

> Sunday, 10 February, 2008 > >

5:29:41 PM> Re: Sade Saati -remedies> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Tajinder ji,> > > > This was a very helpful post >

from > > you,> > and so were the previous ones on this subject,> > by

Your > > goodself, which I missed appreciating.> > > > Would like to

confirm > > and add- > > > > Alcohol and Non-Veg is certainly a No

No> > in > this > > phase.> > So is illicit sex, or evil thoughts or>

> endevaours in > > these directions. > > Doing above actions would

also spoil the > > > > Jupiter in ones chart, for both Saturn and> >

Jupiter work hand in > > hand. > > > > And one having Jupiter and

Saturn both spoilt in > > > > his chart, would lead a most miserable

Life.> > > > 100 Hanuman > > Chalisas in one sitting,would be a> >

very difficult propposition > > for most,unless it> > is done in a

public manner,that is few of the > > > > family members doing it

together. 51 Hanuman> > Chalisas would > > be more of a practical

suggestion,> > to be done every Tuesday or > > Saturday,> > and 11 or

21 Hanuman Chalisas to be done on > > on a > > daily basis.> > But

those who can do 100 Hanuman Chalisas > > > > regularly, coupled with

a proper ethical and moral > > > > lifestyle,nothing is unachieveable

for these> > great souls. > > > > > > > The poor folks, subordinate

class,> > including sweepers, > chaprasis, > > peons,liftman,> >

beggars, cobblers, old crippled people,> > all of > > these represent

Saturn, and any help> > given to any of these,> > > > would be

recorded well by ShaniDev.> > So would be small creatures > > like

ants crawling> > on the road. Feeding them would also bring > in> > >

> the blessings.> > > > best wishes,> > Bhaskar.> > > > > >

, tajinder sian > > > >

<tajindersinghsian@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Hello Vandan,> > > > > > >

I > > can empathise with what you are going through in sade sati. I >

> > > myself I have been through 1st and 2nd phase and now I am in my

> > > > final stage. I personally found that the best remedy is to

become > > > > spiritual and have devotion for your lord. To survive

sade sati > > you > > need to maintain a consistent spiritual

practice / sadhana. > > > > Consistency is the key. Try to find a

fixed time in the day. > You > > may > > chant Hanuman chalisa daily -

but if you are gonna do it, > do > > it > > consistently / daily.

Let go of ego, meat/fish and alcohol. > > Become > > humble. I find

donating a few coins, every week, > > especially to > > rubbish

collectors and toilet cleaners extremely > > helpful. > > > > > > If

your health is very bad, try and chant 100 > > hanuman chalisa in > >

one sitting. I did this and found it to be a > > miracle for me.

Forget > > stones/gems - Shani is not really > > interested in that -

he wants to > > see you spiritualised and > > devoted and to do

something for yourself. > > He is the greatest > > teacher of them

all. I have learnt so much.> > > > > > Peace and > > light,> > > > >

> Taj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ ...:

danny101_in@ ...: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 > > > > 03:13:40 -0800Subject:

Sade Saati -remedies> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar

Gurujisi am going thru my 2nd phase of Sade > Saati > > and > >

experiencing heath problems, please guide for > > > >

remedies,poojas, stones..My date of birth is 4th July 1973Place > > >

> baroda (Gujarat)Time 11:55 amplease help.RegardsVandan- -----------

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February 11, 2008

dear Bhaskarji,

whenever we part with money to the needy we give it as

a routine or to see that the person shud stop

bothering us (be it at home or in public).

after following the discussion on this subject I

suggest that our helping the needy shud be done with a

prayer that God shud help the needy and stop this

person from resorting to begging and he/she shud also

have a life like other citizens of this country. and

that god shud pardon the person who would have

committed sinful acts in his previous birth.

good wishes,

k.gopu

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Gopu ji,

Not sure why reading your posting instantaneously brought this

recollection. Many years ago one late evening when I was leaving for

home after a very tiring work day, I passed a very tall young man

with flowing hair and very unusual blue, penetrating but

compassionate eyes (in depth and compassion!) who did not ask me

verbally for help or " spare change " as pan-handlers ask even in so

called developed first nations (!) but the message and non-

verbal 'request' was very strong that he was asking me for help!

There was a beauty and glow around his persona that I realized later

on after I politely refused to help and moved on, wearily! As you can

see, I am still enveloped by that fleeting and momentary experience!

Rather than lament on a missed opportunity or whatever, all I can do

is to remember that moment and make good on the promise I made to

myself! That is all we can do! Each of us, whatever our individual

stories!!

We are all human and are blessed to be Graced with many many

opportunities to do the right thing! Hence the multitude of births!

We are all loved by Someone!

Rohiniranjan

, K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote:

>

> dear Bhaskarji,

> whenever we part with money to the needy we give it as

> a routine or to see that the person shud stop

> bothering us (be it at home or in public).

> after following the discussion on this subject I

> suggest that our helping the needy shud be done with a

> prayer that God shud help the needy and stop this

> person from resorting to begging and he/she shud also

> have a life like other citizens of this country. and

> that god shud pardon the person who would have

> committed sinful acts in his previous birth.

>

> good wishes,

> k.gopu

>

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February 11, 2008

Dear Shri Gopuji,

Very true Sir.

When one parts his money out of

compulsion,like in case of Eunuchs,

who do not leave most of the times

till one handsover some amount,

the prayer does not come on its own,

but comes out forcibly, as an

attempt made.

The other times when one parts

money out of compassion for a apparently

physically troubled person,the prayer

automotically comes out in such

cases woithout any efforts,

" He Bhagwaan iski takleef kam

kardena " or " He Bhagwaan iski

takleef door kar dena " , and then one

moves ahead on his way.

best regards,

Bhaskar.

, K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote:

>

> dear Bhaskarji,

> whenever we part with money to the needy we give it as

> a routine or to see that the person shud stop

> bothering us (be it at home or in public).

> after following the discussion on this subject I

> suggest that our helping the needy shud be done with a

> prayer that God shud help the needy and stop this

> person from resorting to begging and he/she shud also

> have a life like other citizens of this country. and

> that god shud pardon the person who would have

> committed sinful acts in his previous birth.

>

> good wishes,

> k.gopu

>

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February 11, 2008

Shri Rohiniji,

Sir this happens with all of us.

At times we see a good stuff in

the market, and postpone the decesion

to buy it later, and when come home in

the evening,lament on why we did not

purchase that,now who will go back etc.....

Same with alms, we see somebody lying

somewhere whom we should have given some

form of alms, but being busy in our

tight schedules, we make many excuses to

ourselves, and move on without giving

the guy anything, only to remember that

person later on and feel sad, as why we

did not give him something. But

when we feel this sadness, another thought

simultaneously crosses the mind , " Who

am I. Mere nahin dene se woh bhooka thodi

hi rahega. Bhagwaan baitha hai, karodon ko

khilata hai. Uske rajya mein koi Bhooka

nahin sota " . This knowledge makes

the past opportunity, we missed,

as inconsequential.

regards,

Bhaskar.

, " Rohiniranjan "

<rohini_ranjan wrote:

>

> Gopu ji,

>

> Not sure why reading your posting instantaneously brought this

> recollection. Many years ago one late evening when I was leaving

for

> home after a very tiring work day, I passed a very tall young man

> with flowing hair and very unusual blue, penetrating but

> compassionate eyes (in depth and compassion!) who did not ask me

> verbally for help or " spare change " as pan-handlers ask even in so

> called developed first nations (!) but the message and non-

> verbal 'request' was very strong that he was asking me for help!

> There was a beauty and glow around his persona that I realized

later

> on after I politely refused to help and moved on, wearily! As you

can

> see, I am still enveloped by that fleeting and momentary

experience!

>

> Rather than lament on a missed opportunity or whatever, all I can

do

> is to remember that moment and make good on the promise I made to

> myself! That is all we can do! Each of us, whatever our individual

> stories!!

>

> We are all human and are blessed to be Graced with many many

> opportunities to do the right thing! Hence the multitude of

births!

> We are all loved by Someone!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , K Gopu <kgopu_24@> wrote:

> >

> > dear Bhaskarji,

> > whenever we part with money to the needy we give it as

> > a routine or to see that the person shud stop

> > bothering us (be it at home or in public).

> > after following the discussion on this subject I

> > suggest that our helping the needy shud be done with a

> > prayer that God shud help the needy and stop this

> > person from resorting to begging and he/she shud also

> > have a life like other citizens of this country. and

> > that god shud pardon the person who would have

> > committed sinful acts in his previous birth.

> >

> > good wishes,

> > k.gopu

> >

>

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February 11, 2008

Bhaskar bhai,

Aapney jo kaha woh theek hai aur wajib hai bhai saheb! Magar USKAY is

mayajaal mein aisey bahut hain jo bhukey sotey hain, in so called

developed first nations!

Chahey jahan paida ho insaan, bhagya say ya bhaley karmon ki wajah,

KARMA will remind his/her responsibilites!

Regardless of the first inclination that humans face, to avoid and

bypass responsibilities, through what some call " remedies " , perhaps

we should should aim for 'resolutions'! After all, BHAGYA was not

placed complementarily OPPOSITE to Purushartha in our charts just

randomly!

RR

, " Bhaskar "

<rajiventerprises wrote:

>

> Shri Rohiniji,

>

> Sir this happens with all of us.

> At times we see a good stuff in

> the market, and postpone the decesion

> to buy it later, and when come home in

> the evening,lament on why we did not

> purchase that,now who will go back etc.....

>

> Same with alms, we see somebody lying

> somewhere whom we should have given some

> form of alms, but being busy in our

> tight schedules, we make many excuses to

> ourselves, and move on without giving

> the guy anything, only to remember that

> person later on and feel sad, as why we

> did not give him something. But

> when we feel this sadness, another thought

> simultaneously crosses the mind , " Who

> am I. Mere nahin dene se woh bhooka thodi

> hi rahega. Bhagwaan baitha hai, karodon ko

> khilata hai. Uske rajya mein koi Bhooka

> nahin sota " . This knowledge makes

> the past opportunity, we missed,

> as inconsequential.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

> , " Rohiniranjan "

> <rohini_ranjan@> wrote:

> >

> > Gopu ji,

> >

> > Not sure why reading your posting instantaneously brought this

> > recollection. Many years ago one late evening when I was leaving

> for

> > home after a very tiring work day, I passed a very tall young man

> > with flowing hair and very unusual blue, penetrating but

> > compassionate eyes (in depth and compassion!) who did not ask me

> > verbally for help or " spare change " as pan-handlers ask even in

so

> > called developed first nations (!) but the message and non-

> > verbal 'request' was very strong that he was asking me for help!

> > There was a beauty and glow around his persona that I realized

> later

> > on after I politely refused to help and moved on, wearily! As you

> can

> > see, I am still enveloped by that fleeting and momentary

> experience!

> >

> > Rather than lament on a missed opportunity or whatever, all I can

> do

> > is to remember that moment and make good on the promise I made to

> > myself! That is all we can do! Each of us, whatever our

individual

> > stories!!

> >

> > We are all human and are blessed to be Graced with many many

> > opportunities to do the right thing! Hence the multitude of

> births!

> > We are all loved by Someone!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , K Gopu <kgopu_24@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > dear Bhaskarji,

> > > whenever we part with money to the needy we give it as

> > > a routine or to see that the person shud stop

> > > bothering us (be it at home or in public).

> > > after following the discussion on this subject I

> > > suggest that our helping the needy shud be done with a

> > > prayer that God shud help the needy and stop this

> > > person from resorting to begging and he/she shud also

> > > have a life like other citizens of this country. and

> > > that god shud pardon the person who would have

> > > committed sinful acts in his previous birth.

> > >

> > > good wishes,

> > > k.gopu

> > >

> >

>

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> >

>

February 11, 2008

Shri Rohini ji,

Aapne jo kaha woh bhi bilkul sahi hai,

parantu, main samajhta hoon,

Just like a Good fate Line in a Liftmans or

a cobblers Palm would not necessarily make

him a Millionare, in the sme way, a bad horoscope

would not make any person go hungry. God arranges

for the milk before the baby is born.

The Lord Saturn rules over " Purushartha "

and " Phal " , as Lord of the 10th and

11th houses respectively. Mars gets Exalted

in the 10th house, not for any other reason,

but because of aggression in Purushartha,

which is a must. A laid back attitude in

purushartha would get a person nowhere.

Bhagya is a seperate matter.That is GuruKripa,

ruled by the beningn Planet Jupiter. One

may not have Gurukripa, does not matter,

but one can have 2 times Roti with

good purushartha, if not more .

This is what I feel and have experienced

through watching people, their palms and

their charts.

regards,

Bhaskar.

, " Rohiniranjan "

<rohini_ranjan wrote:

>

> Bhaskar bhai,

>

> Aapney jo kaha woh theek hai aur wajib hai bhai saheb! Magar USKAY

is

> mayajaal mein aisey bahut hain jo bhukey sotey hain, in so called

> developed first nations!

>

> Chahey jahan paida ho insaan, bhagya say ya bhaley karmon ki

wajah,

> KARMA will remind his/her responsibilites!

>

> Regardless of the first inclination that humans face, to avoid and

> bypass responsibilities, through what some call " remedies " ,

perhaps

> we should should aim for 'resolutions'! After all, BHAGYA was not

> placed complementarily OPPOSITE to Purushartha in our charts just

> randomly!

>

> RR

>

> , " Bhaskar "

> <rajiventerprises@> wrote:

> >

> > Shri Rohiniji,

> >

> > Sir this happens with all of us.

> > At times we see a good stuff in

> > the market, and postpone the decesion

> > to buy it later, and when come home in

> > the evening,lament on why we did not

> > purchase that,now who will go back etc.....

> >

> > Same with alms, we see somebody lying

> > somewhere whom we should have given some

> > form of alms, but being busy in our

> > tight schedules, we make many excuses to

> > ourselves, and move on without giving

> > the guy anything, only to remember that

> > person later on and feel sad, as why we

> > did not give him something. But

> > when we feel this sadness, another thought

> > simultaneously crosses the mind , " Who

> > am I. Mere nahin dene se woh bhooka thodi

> > hi rahega. Bhagwaan baitha hai, karodon ko

> > khilata hai. Uske rajya mein koi Bhooka

> > nahin sota " . This knowledge makes

> > the past opportunity, we missed,

> > as inconsequential.

> >

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > , " Rohiniranjan "

> > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Gopu ji,

> > >

> > > Not sure why reading your posting instantaneously brought this

> > > recollection. Many years ago one late evening when I was

leaving

> > for

> > > home after a very tiring work day, I passed a very tall young

man

> > > with flowing hair and very unusual blue, penetrating but

> > > compassionate eyes (in depth and compassion!) who did not ask

me

> > > verbally for help or " spare change " as pan-handlers ask even

in

> so

> > > called developed first nations (!) but the message and non-

> > > verbal 'request' was very strong that he was asking me for

help!

> > > There was a beauty and glow around his persona that I realized

> > later

> > > on after I politely refused to help and moved on, wearily! As

you

> > can

> > > see, I am still enveloped by that fleeting and momentary

> > experience!

> > >

> > > Rather than lament on a missed opportunity or whatever, all I

can

> > do

> > > is to remember that moment and make good on the promise I made

to

> > > myself! That is all we can do! Each of us, whatever our

> individual

> > > stories!!

> > >

> > > We are all human and are blessed to be Graced with many many

> > > opportunities to do the right thing! Hence the multitude of

> > births!

> > > We are all loved by Someone!

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > , K Gopu <kgopu_24@>

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > dear Bhaskarji,

> > > > whenever we part with money to the needy we give it as

> > > > a routine or to see that the person shud stop

> > > > bothering us (be it at home or in public).

> > > > after following the discussion on this subject I

> > > > suggest that our helping the needy shud be done with a

> > > > prayer that God shud help the needy and stop this

> > > > person from resorting to begging and he/she shud also

> > > > have a life like other citizens of this country. and

> > > > that god shud pardon the person who would have

> > > > committed sinful acts in his previous birth.

> > > >

> > > > good wishes,

> > > > k.gopu

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

___________________

> > _

> > > ______________

> > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and

> > > > know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.

> > > http://mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

February 11, 2008

Dear Bhaskar bhai,

I have seen many palms but never have I seen a cobbler with an

impressive and unafflicted fate line, truth be told! Then again, I

have not seen the palm of Mr. BATA!

Laid-back and purushartha used in the same sentence for the same

individual are not right and just lead to creating yet another

oxymoron (juxtaposed paradoxes!) as I recently posted when

questioning the same, elsewhere:

False Teacher

Gentle Dictator

:-)

RR

, " Bhaskar "

<rajiventerprises wrote:

>

> Shri Rohini ji,

>

> Aapne jo kaha woh bhi bilkul sahi hai,

> parantu, main samajhta hoon,

>

> Just like a Good fate Line in a Liftmans or

> a cobblers Palm would not necessarily make

> him a Millionare, in the sme way, a bad horoscope

> would not make any person go hungry. God arranges

> for the milk before the baby is born.

> The Lord Saturn rules over " Purushartha "

> and " Phal " , as Lord of the 10th and

> 11th houses respectively. Mars gets Exalted

> in the 10th house, not for any other reason,

> but because of aggression in Purushartha,

> which is a must. A laid back attitude in

> purushartha would get a person nowhere.

> Bhagya is a seperate matter.That is GuruKripa,

> ruled by the beningn Planet Jupiter. One

> may not have Gurukripa, does not matter,

> but one can have 2 times Roti with

> good purushartha, if not more .

> This is what I feel and have experienced

> through watching people, their palms and

> their charts.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

> , " Rohiniranjan "

> <rohini_ranjan@> wrote:

> >

> > Bhaskar bhai,

> >

> > Aapney jo kaha woh theek hai aur wajib hai bhai saheb! Magar

USKAY

> is

> > mayajaal mein aisey bahut hain jo bhukey sotey hain, in so called

> > developed first nations!

> >

> > Chahey jahan paida ho insaan, bhagya say ya bhaley karmon ki

> wajah,

> > KARMA will remind his/her responsibilites!

> >

> > Regardless of the first inclination that humans face, to avoid

and

> > bypass responsibilities, through what some call " remedies " ,

> perhaps

> > we should should aim for 'resolutions'! After all, BHAGYA was not

> > placed complementarily OPPOSITE to Purushartha in our charts just

> > randomly!

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , " Bhaskar "

> > <rajiventerprises@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Shri Rohiniji,

> > >

> > > Sir this happens with all of us.

> > > At times we see a good stuff in

> > > the market, and postpone the decesion

> > > to buy it later, and when come home in

> > > the evening,lament on why we did not

> > > purchase that,now who will go back etc.....

> > >

> > > Same with alms, we see somebody lying

> > > somewhere whom we should have given some

> > > form of alms, but being busy in our

> > > tight schedules, we make many excuses to

> > > ourselves, and move on without giving

> > > the guy anything, only to remember that

> > > person later on and feel sad, as why we

> > > did not give him something. But

> > > when we feel this sadness, another thought

> > > simultaneously crosses the mind , " Who

> > > am I. Mere nahin dene se woh bhooka thodi

> > > hi rahega. Bhagwaan baitha hai, karodon ko

> > > khilata hai. Uske rajya mein koi Bhooka

> > > nahin sota " . This knowledge makes

> > > the past opportunity, we missed,

> > > as inconsequential.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > , " Rohiniranjan "

> > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Gopu ji,

> > > >

> > > > Not sure why reading your posting instantaneously brought

this

> > > > recollection. Many years ago one late evening when I was

> leaving

> > > for

> > > > home after a very tiring work day, I passed a very tall young

> man

> > > > with flowing hair and very unusual blue, penetrating but

> > > > compassionate eyes (in depth and compassion!) who did not ask

> me

> > > > verbally for help or " spare change " as pan-handlers ask even

> in

> > so

> > > > called developed first nations (!) but the message and non-

> > > > verbal 'request' was very strong that he was asking me for

> help!

> > > > There was a beauty and glow around his persona that I

realized

> > > later

> > > > on after I politely refused to help and moved on, wearily! As

> you

> > > can

> > > > see, I am still enveloped by that fleeting and momentary

> > > experience!

> > > >

> > > > Rather than lament on a missed opportunity or whatever, all I

> can

> > > do

> > > > is to remember that moment and make good on the promise I

made

> to

> > > > myself! That is all we can do! Each of us, whatever our

> > individual

> > > > stories!!

> > > >

> > > > We are all human and are blessed to be Graced with many many

> > > > opportunities to do the right thing! Hence the multitude of

> > > births!

> > > > We are all loved by Someone!

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

> > > > , K Gopu <kgopu_24@>

> > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > dear Bhaskarji,

> > > > > whenever we part with money to the needy we give it as

> > > > > a routine or to see that the person shud stop

> > > > > bothering us (be it at home or in public).

> > > > > after following the discussion on this subject I

> > > > > suggest that our helping the needy shud be done with a

> > > > > prayer that God shud help the needy and stop this

> > > > > person from resorting to begging and he/she shud also

> > > > > have a life like other citizens of this country. and

> > > > > that god shud pardon the person who would have

> > > > > committed sinful acts in his previous birth.

> > > > >

> > > > > good wishes,

> > > > > k.gopu

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

___________________

> > > _

> > > > ______________

> > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and

> > > > > know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.

> > > > http://mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

February 11, 2008

Shri Rohiniji,

Of course even I have not seen many cobblers

hands, it just I notice the hand of

cobblers and beggars, when they spread

out their hand to receive money, and I have

a observant eye, in this area, out of

curiosity, as have already spent 2 years

in palmistry, and do not wish

these to go wastel and continue practical

studies wherever possible.

I said laid back purushartha, means

1) a person doing his duty just for

the heck of it,cause he has to do it,

like those Govt Staff we see in the Muncipal

offices and Post offices too,who are always

derary looking, slow in reflexes,

irritating to talk to,

watchful of the clok on the wall,

that is the closing time of the office etc.

2) while another person doing it lovingly

with vigour and faifhfullness.

I am aware of the oxmoron used by you in

the other Group, where at the moment, i do not

wish to enter the thread,

probably later, if possible, or not.

I would not be interested to see the hand of

Mr. BATA, cause I have aversion

towards people earning money from leather

(Between You and me, pl do not tell anyone else),

I would prefer anyday the palm of Mr. TATA,

but the man I liked and respected,JRD,is no more.

regards,

Bhaskar.

, " Rohiniranjan "

<rohini_ranjan wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar bhai,

>

> I have seen many palms but never have I seen a cobbler with an

> impressive and unafflicted fate line, truth be told! Then again, I

> have not seen the palm of Mr. BATA!

>

> Laid-back and purushartha used in the same sentence for the same

> individual are not right and just lead to creating yet another

> oxymoron (juxtaposed paradoxes!) as I recently posted when

> questioning the same, elsewhere:

>

> False Teacher

> Gentle Dictator

>

> :-)

>

> RR

>

> , " Bhaskar "

> <rajiventerprises@> wrote:

> >

> > Shri Rohini ji,

> >

> > Aapne jo kaha woh bhi bilkul sahi hai,

> > parantu, main samajhta hoon,

> >

> > Just like a Good fate Line in a Liftmans or

> > a cobblers Palm would not necessarily make

> > him a Millionare, in the sme way, a bad horoscope

> > would not make any person go hungry. God arranges

> > for the milk before the baby is born.

> > The Lord Saturn rules over " Purushartha "

> > and " Phal " , as Lord of the 10th and

> > 11th houses respectively. Mars gets Exalted

> > in the 10th house, not for any other reason,

> > but because of aggression in Purushartha,

> > which is a must. A laid back attitude in

> > purushartha would get a person nowhere.

> > Bhagya is a seperate matter.That is GuruKripa,

> > ruled by the beningn Planet Jupiter. One

> > may not have Gurukripa, does not matter,

> > but one can have 2 times Roti with

> > good purushartha, if not more .

> > This is what I feel and have experienced

> > through watching people, their palms and

> > their charts.

> >

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > , " Rohiniranjan "

> > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Bhaskar bhai,

> > >

> > > Aapney jo kaha woh theek hai aur wajib hai bhai saheb! Magar

> USKAY

> > is

> > > mayajaal mein aisey bahut hain jo bhukey sotey hain, in so

called

> > > developed first nations!

> > >

> > > Chahey jahan paida ho insaan, bhagya say ya bhaley karmon ki

> > wajah,

> > > KARMA will remind his/her responsibilites!

> > >

> > > Regardless of the first inclination that humans face, to avoid

> and

> > > bypass responsibilities, through what some call " remedies " ,

> > perhaps

> > > we should should aim for 'resolutions'! After all, BHAGYA was

not

> > > placed complementarily OPPOSITE to Purushartha in our charts

just

> > > randomly!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > <rajiventerprises@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Shri Rohiniji,

> > > >

> > > > Sir this happens with all of us.

> > > > At times we see a good stuff in

> > > > the market, and postpone the decesion

> > > > to buy it later, and when come home in

> > > > the evening,lament on why we did not

> > > > purchase that,now who will go back etc.....

> > > >

> > > > Same with alms, we see somebody lying

> > > > somewhere whom we should have given some

> > > > form of alms, but being busy in our

> > > > tight schedules, we make many excuses to

> > > > ourselves, and move on without giving

> > > > the guy anything, only to remember that

> > > > person later on and feel sad, as why we

> > > > did not give him something. But

> > > > when we feel this sadness, another thought

> > > > simultaneously crosses the mind , " Who

> > > > am I. Mere nahin dene se woh bhooka thodi

> > > > hi rahega. Bhagwaan baitha hai, karodon ko

> > > > khilata hai. Uske rajya mein koi Bhooka

> > > > nahin sota " . This knowledge makes

> > > > the past opportunity, we missed,

> > > > as inconsequential.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > > , " Rohiniranjan "

> > > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Gopu ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Not sure why reading your posting instantaneously brought

> this

> > > > > recollection. Many years ago one late evening when I was

> > leaving

> > > > for

> > > > > home after a very tiring work day, I passed a very tall

young

> > man

> > > > > with flowing hair and very unusual blue, penetrating but

> > > > > compassionate eyes (in depth and compassion!) who did not

ask

> > me

> > > > > verbally for help or " spare change " as pan-handlers ask

even

> > in

> > > so

> > > > > called developed first nations (!) but the message and non-

> > > > > verbal 'request' was very strong that he was asking me for

> > help!

> > > > > There was a beauty and glow around his persona that I

> realized

> > > > later

> > > > > on after I politely refused to help and moved on, wearily!

As

> > you

> > > > can

> > > > > see, I am still enveloped by that fleeting and momentary

> > > > experience!

> > > > >

> > > > > Rather than lament on a missed opportunity or whatever,

all I

> > can

> > > > do

> > > > > is to remember that moment and make good on the promise I

> made

> > to

> > > > > myself! That is all we can do! Each of us, whatever our

> > > individual

> > > > > stories!!

> > > > >

> > > > > We are all human and are blessed to be Graced with many

many

> > > > > opportunities to do the right thing! Hence the multitude

of

> > > > births!

> > > > > We are all loved by Someone!

> > > > >

> > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > >

> > > > > , K Gopu

<kgopu_24@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > dear Bhaskarji,

> > > > > > whenever we part with money to the needy we give it as

> > > > > > a routine or to see that the person shud stop

> > > > > > bothering us (be it at home or in public).

> > > > > > after following the discussion on this subject I

> > > > > > suggest that our helping the needy shud be done with a

> > > > > > prayer that God shud help the needy and stop this

> > > > > > person from resorting to begging and he/she shud also

> > > > > > have a life like other citizens of this country. and

> > > > > > that god shud pardon the person who would have

> > > > > > committed sinful acts in his previous birth.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > good wishes,

> > > > > > k.gopu

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

___________________

> > > > _

> > > > > ______________

> > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and

> > > > > > know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.

> > > > > http://mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

February 11, 2008

dear shri RRji,

thanks for ur kind response to my observation. Ur

fortunate to have the least needy persons in the

country ur living in. But u know very well that in

india it is exactly the opposite. the numbers of the

needy keeps increasing, thanks to the dishonest

politicians, beauracrats and greedy buisness community

who give their lion share of contribution for keep

poverty as constant.

regards,

k.gopu

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February 11, 2008

Lots of water has flown under the bridge since my note in this thread. Just wish

to add my two cents - despite all the advices and personal thoughts, help would

be rendered where a rnanubandhan exists. Else new karma may be created in

absence of such a rnanubandhan. But that would come under the purview of destiny

- your bhagya destined the action to be done; you developed an intention to help

the needy; and, finally you helped the needy through purushartha. In all cases,

it must be hoped that the assistance is not put to any adverse use, rendering

the donor's karma null and void! After all is part of HIS maya!!

Best wishes,

Amitabh Shastri

Bhaskar <rajiventerprises

Monday, 11 February, 2008 11:48:14 AM

Re: Sade Saati -remedies

Shri Rohiniji,

Of course even I have not seen many cobblers

hands, it just I notice the hand of

cobblers and beggars, when they spread

out their hand to receive money, and I have

a observant eye, in this area, out of

curiosity, as have already spent 2 years

in palmistry, and do not wish

these to go wastel and continue practical

studies wherever possible.

I said laid back purushartha, means

1) a person doing his duty just for

the heck of it,cause he has to do it,

like those Govt Staff we see in the Muncipal

offices and Post offices too,who are always

derary looking, slow in reflexes,

irritating to talk to,

watchful of the clok on the wall,

that is the closing time of the office etc.

2) while another person doing it lovingly

with vigour and faifhfullness.

I am aware of the oxmoron used by you in

the other Group, where at the moment, i do not

wish to enter the thread,

probably later, if possible, or not.

I would not be interested to see the hand of

Mr. BATA, cause I have aversion

towards people earning money from leather

(Between You and me, pl do not tell anyone else),

I would prefer anyday the palm of Mr. TATA,

but the man I liked and respected,JRD, is no more.

regards,

Bhaskar.

, " Rohiniranjan "

<rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar bhai,

>

> I have seen many palms but never have I seen a cobbler with an

> impressive and unafflicted fate line, truth be told! Then again, I

> have not seen the palm of Mr. BATA!

>

> Laid-back and purushartha used in the same sentence for the same

> individual are not right and just lead to creating yet another

> oxymoron (juxtaposed paradoxes!) as I recently posted when

> questioning the same, elsewhere:

>

> False Teacher

> Gentle Dictator

>

> :-)

>

> RR

>

> , " Bhaskar "

> <rajiventerprises@ > wrote:

> >

> > Shri Rohini ji,

> >

> > Aapne jo kaha woh bhi bilkul sahi hai,

> > parantu, main samajhta hoon,

> >

> > Just like a Good fate Line in a Liftmans or

> > a cobblers Palm would not necessarily make

> > him a Millionare, in the sme way, a bad horoscope

> > would not make any person go hungry. God arranges

> > for the milk before the baby is born.

> > The Lord Saturn rules over " Purushartha "

> > and " Phal " , as Lord of the 10th and

> > 11th houses respectively. Mars gets Exalted

> > in the 10th house, not for any other reason,

> > but because of aggression in Purushartha,

> > which is a must. A laid back attitude in

> > purushartha would get a person nowhere.

> > Bhagya is a seperate matter.That is GuruKripa,

> > ruled by the beningn Planet Jupiter. One

> > may not have Gurukripa, does not matter,

> > but one can have 2 times Roti with

> > good purushartha, if not more .

> > This is what I feel and have experienced

> > through watching people, their palms and

> > their charts.

> >

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > , " Rohiniranjan "

> > <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > Bhaskar bhai,

> > >

> > > Aapney jo kaha woh theek hai aur wajib hai bhai saheb! Magar

> USKAY

> > is

> > > mayajaal mein aisey bahut hain jo bhukey sotey hain, in so

called

> > > developed first nations!

> > >

> > > Chahey jahan paida ho insaan, bhagya say ya bhaley karmon ki

> > wajah,

> > > KARMA will remind his/her responsibilites!

> > >

> > > Regardless of the first inclination that humans face, to avoid

> and

> > > bypass responsibilities, through what some call " remedies " ,

> > perhaps

> > > we should should aim for 'resolutions' ! After all, BHAGYA was

not

> > > placed complementarily OPPOSITE to Purushartha in our charts

just

> > > randomly!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > <rajiventerprises@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Shri Rohiniji,

> > > >

> > > > Sir this happens with all of us.

> > > > At times we see a good stuff in

> > > > the market, and postpone the decesion

> > > > to buy it later, and when come home in

> > > > the evening,lament on why we did not

> > > > purchase that,now who will go back etc.....

> > > >

> > > > Same with alms, we see somebody lying

> > > > somewhere whom we should have given some

> > > > form of alms, but being busy in our

> > > > tight schedules, we make many excuses to

> > > > ourselves, and move on without giving

> > > > the guy anything, only to remember that

> > > > person later on and feel sad, as why we

> > > > did not give him something. But

> > > > when we feel this sadness, another thought

> > > > simultaneously crosses the mind , " Who

> > > > am I. Mere nahin dene se woh bhooka thodi

> > > > hi rahega. Bhagwaan baitha hai, karodon ko

> > > > khilata hai. Uske rajya mein koi Bhooka

> > > > nahin sota " . This knowledge makes

> > > > the past opportunity, we missed,

> > > > as inconsequential.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > > , " Rohiniranjan "

> > > > <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Gopu ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Not sure why reading your posting instantaneously brought

> this

> > > > > recollection. Many years ago one late evening when I was

> > leaving

> > > > for

> > > > > home after a very tiring work day, I passed a very tall

young

> > man

> > > > > with flowing hair and very unusual blue, penetrating but

> > > > > compassionate eyes (in depth and compassion!) who did not

ask

> > me

> > > > > verbally for help or " spare change " as pan-handlers ask

even

> > in

> > > so

> > > > > called developed first nations (!) but the message and non-

> > > > > verbal 'request' was very strong that he was asking me for

> > help!

> > > > > There was a beauty and glow around his persona that I

> realized

> > > > later

> > > > > on after I politely refused to help and moved on, wearily!

As

> > you

> > > > can

> > > > > see, I am still enveloped by that fleeting and momentary

> > > > experience!

> > > > >

> > > > > Rather than lament on a missed opportunity or whatever,

all I

> > can

> > > > do

> > > > > is to remember that moment and make good on the promise I

> made

> > to

> > > > > myself! That is all we can do! Each of us, whatever our

> > > individual

> > > > > stories!!

> > > > >

> > > > > We are all human and are blessed to be Graced with many

many

> > > > > opportunities to do the right thing! Hence the multitude

of

> > > > births!

> > > > > We are all loved by Someone!

> > > > >

> > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > >

> > > > > , K Gopu

<kgopu_24@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > dear Bhaskarji,

> > > > > > whenever we part with money to the needy we give it as

> > > > > > a routine or to see that the person shud stop

> > > > > > bothering us (be it at home or in public).

> > > > > > after following the discussion on this subject I

> > > > > > suggest that our helping the needy shud be done with a

> > > > > > prayer that God shud help the needy and stop this

> > > > > > person from resorting to begging and he/she shud also

> > > > > > have a life like other citizens of this country. and

> > > > > > that god shud pardon the person who would have

> > > > > > committed sinful acts in his previous birth.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > good wishes,

> > > > > > k.gopu

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

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Some beggars go after people.....I go in search of beggars

: rohini_ranjan: Mon, 11

Feb 2008 06:00:17 +0000Re: Sade Saati -remedies

Dear Bhaskar bhai,I have seen many palms but never have I seen a cobbler with an

impressive and unafflicted fate line, truth be told! Then again, I have not seen

the palm of Mr. BATA!Laid-back and purushartha used in the same sentence for the

same individual are not right and just lead to creating yet another oxymoron

(juxtaposed paradoxes!) as I recently posted when questioning the same,

elsewhere:False TeacherGentle Dictator:-)RR--- In

, " Bhaskar " <rajiventerprises wrote:>> Shri

Rohini ji,> > Aapne jo kaha woh bhi bilkul sahi hai,> parantu, main samajhta

hoon,> > Just like a Good fate Line in a Liftmans or> a cobblers Palm would not

necessarily make > him a Millionare, in the sme way, a bad horoscope> would not

make any person go hungry. God arranges> for the milk before the baby is born.>

The Lord Saturn rules over " Purushartha " > and " Phal " , as Lord of the 10th and>

11th houses respectively. Mars gets Exalted> in the 10th house, not for any

other reason,> but because of aggression in Purushartha,> which is a must. A

laid back attitude in > purushartha would get a person nowhere. > Bhagya is a

seperate matter.That is GuruKripa,> ruled by the beningn Planet Jupiter. One>

may not have Gurukripa, does not matter,> but one can have 2 times Roti with>

good purushartha, if not more . > This is what I feel and have experienced>

through watching people, their palms and > their charts.> > regards,> Bhaskar.>

> > > , " Rohiniranjan " > <rohini_ranjan@>

wrote:> >> > Bhaskar bhai,> > > > Aapney jo kaha woh theek hai aur wajib hai

bhai saheb! Magar USKAY > is > > mayajaal mein aisey bahut hain jo bhukey sotey

hain, in so called > > developed first nations!> > > > Chahey jahan paida ho

insaan, bhagya say ya bhaley karmon ki > wajah, > > KARMA will remind his/her

responsibilites!> > > > Regardless of the first inclination that humans face, to

avoid and > > bypass responsibilities, through what some call " remedies " , >

perhaps > > we should should aim for 'resolutions'! After all, BHAGYA was not >

> placed complementarily OPPOSITE to Purushartha in our charts just > >

randomly!> > > > RR> > > > , " Bhaskar " >

> <rajiventerprises@> wrote:> > >> > > Shri Rohiniji,> > > > > > Sir this

happens with all of us.> > > At times we see a good stuff in> > > the market,

and postpone the decesion> > > to buy it later, and when come home in> > > the

evening,lament on why we did not > > > purchase that,now who will go back

etc.....> > > > > > Same with alms, we see somebody lying> > > somewhere whom we

should have given some> > > form of alms, but being busy in our> > > tight

schedules, we make many excuses to> > > ourselves, and move on without giving> >

> the guy anything, only to remember that > > > person later on and feel sad, as

why we > > > did not give him something. But> > > when we feel this sadness,

another thought> > > simultaneously crosses the mind , " Who> > > am I. Mere

nahin dene se woh bhooka thodi> > > hi rahega. Bhagwaan baitha hai, karodon ko>

> > khilata hai. Uske rajya mein koi Bhooka > > > nahin sota " . This knowledge

makes> > > the past opportunity, we missed, > > > as inconsequential. > > > > >

> regards,> > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

, " Rohiniranjan " > > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote:>

> > >> > > > Gopu ji,> > > > > > > > Not sure why reading your posting

instantaneously brought this > > > > recollection. Many years ago one late

evening when I was > leaving > > > for > > > > home after a very tiring work

day, I passed a very tall young > man > > > > with flowing hair and very unusual

blue, penetrating but > > > > compassionate eyes (in depth and compassion!) who

did not ask > me > > > > verbally for help or " spare change " as pan-handlers ask

even > in > > so > > > > called developed first nations (!) but the message and

non-> > > > verbal 'request' was very strong that he was asking me for > help! >

> > > There was a beauty and glow around his persona that I realized > > > later

> > > > on after I politely refused to help and moved on, wearily! As > you > >

> can > > > > see, I am still enveloped by that fleeting and momentary > > >

experience!> > > > > > > > Rather than lament on a missed opportunity or

whatever, all I > can > > > do > > > > is to remember that moment and make good

on the promise I made > to > > > > myself! That is all we can do! Each of us,

whatever our > > individual > > > > stories!!> > > > > > > > We are all human

and are blessed to be Graced with many many > > > > opportunities to do the

right thing! Hence the multitude of > > > births! > > > > We are all loved by

Someone!> > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

, K Gopu <kgopu_24@> > > wrote:> > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > dear Bhaskarji,> > > > > whenever we part with money to the needy we

give it as> > > > > a routine or to see that the person shud stop> > > > >

bothering us (be it at home or in public). > > > > > after following the

discussion on this subject I> > > > > suggest that our helping the needy shud be

done with a> > > > > prayer that God shud help the needy and stop this> > > > >

person from resorting to begging and he/she shud also> > > > > have a life like

other citizens of this country. and> > > > > that god shud pardon the person who

would have> > > > > committed sinful acts in his previous birth.> > > > > > > >

> > good wishes,> > > > > k.gopu> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

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February 12, 2008

Gopu ji,

Surely that would change from what I hear as India and China become

Economic Major Players in the marketplace as all are saying.

RR

, K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote:

>

> dear shri RRji,

> thanks for ur kind response to my observation. Ur

> fortunate to have the least needy persons in the

> country ur living in. But u know very well that in

> india it is exactly the opposite. the numbers of the

> needy keeps increasing, thanks to the dishonest

> politicians, beauracrats and greedy buisness community

> who give their lion share of contribution for keep

> poverty as constant.

>

> regards,

> k.gopu

>

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February 12, 2008

Thank God you did not write:

" Some people go after people ... I go after beggars! " ;-)

RR

, tajinder sian

<tajindersinghsian wrote:

>

> Some beggars go after people.....I go in search of beggars

>

> : rohini_ranjan: Mon, 11 Feb 2008

06:00:17 +0000Re: Sade Saati -remedies

>

> Dear Bhaskar bhai,I have seen many palms but never have I seen a

cobbler with an impressive and unafflicted fate line, truth be told!

Then again, I have not seen the palm of Mr. BATA!Laid-back and

purushartha used in the same sentence for the same individual are not

right and just lead to creating yet another oxymoron (juxtaposed

paradoxes!) as I recently posted when questioning the same,

elsewhere:False TeacherGentle Dictator:-)RR--- In

, " Bhaskar " <rajiventerprises@>

wrote:>> Shri Rohini ji,> > Aapne jo kaha woh bhi bilkul sahi hai,>

parantu, main samajhta hoon,> > Just like a Good fate Line in a

Liftmans or> a cobblers Palm would not necessarily make > him a

Millionare, in the sme way, a bad horoscope> would not make any

person go hungry. God arranges> for the milk before the baby is

born.> The Lord Saturn rules over " Purushartha " > and " Phal " , as Lord

of the 10th and> 11th houses respectively. Mars gets Exalted> in the

10th house, not for any other reason,> but because of aggression in

Purushartha,> which is a must. A laid back attitude in > purushartha

would get a person nowhere. > Bhagya is a seperate matter.That is

GuruKripa,> ruled by the beningn Planet Jupiter. One> may not have

Gurukripa, does not matter,> but one can have 2 times Roti with> good

purushartha, if not more . > This is what I feel and have

experienced> through watching people, their palms and > their

charts.> > regards,> Bhaskar.> > > > --- In

, " Rohiniranjan " > <rohini_ranjan@>

wrote:> >> > Bhaskar bhai,> > > > Aapney jo kaha woh theek hai aur

wajib hai bhai saheb! Magar USKAY > is > > mayajaal mein aisey bahut

hain jo bhukey sotey hain, in so called > > developed first nations!>

> > > Chahey jahan paida ho insaan, bhagya say ya bhaley karmon ki >

wajah, > > KARMA will remind his/her responsibilites!> > > >

Regardless of the first inclination that humans face, to avoid and >

> bypass responsibilities, through what some call " remedies " , >

perhaps > > we should should aim for 'resolutions'! After all, BHAGYA

was not > > placed complementarily OPPOSITE to Purushartha in our

charts just > > randomly!> > > > RR> > > > --- In

, " Bhaskar " > > <rajiventerprises@>

wrote:> > >> > > Shri Rohiniji,> > > > > > Sir this happens with all

of us.> > > At times we see a good stuff in> > > the market, and

postpone the decesion> > > to buy it later, and when come home in> >

> the evening,lament on why we did not > > > purchase that,now who

will go back etc.....> > > > > > Same with alms, we see somebody

lying> > > somewhere whom we should have given some> > > form of

alms, but being busy in our> > > tight schedules, we make many

excuses to> > > ourselves, and move on without giving> > > the guy

anything, only to remember that > > > person later on and feel sad,

as why we > > > did not give him something. But> > > when we feel

this sadness, another thought> > > simultaneously crosses the

mind , " Who> > > am I. Mere nahin dene se woh bhooka thodi> > > hi

rahega. Bhagwaan baitha hai, karodon ko> > > khilata hai. Uske rajya

mein koi Bhooka > > > nahin sota " . This knowledge makes> > > the past

opportunity, we missed, > > > as inconsequential. > > > > > >

regards,> > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

, " Rohiniranjan " > > >

<rohini_ranjan@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Gopu ji,> > > > > > > > Not

sure why reading your posting instantaneously brought this > > > >

recollection. Many years ago one late evening when I was > leaving >

> > for > > > > home after a very tiring work day, I passed a very

tall young > man > > > > with flowing hair and very unusual blue,

penetrating but > > > > compassionate eyes (in depth and compassion!)

who did not ask > me > > > > verbally for help or " spare change " as

pan-handlers ask even > in > > so > > > > called developed first

nations (!) but the message and non-> > > > verbal 'request' was very

strong that he was asking me for > help! > > > > There was a beauty

and glow around his persona that I realized > > > later > > > > on

after I politely refused to help and moved on, wearily! As > you > >

> can > > > > see, I am still enveloped by that fleeting and

momentary > > > experience!> > > > > > > > Rather than lament on a

missed opportunity or whatever, all I > can > > > do > > > > is to

remember that moment and make good on the promise I made > to > > > >

myself! That is all we can do! Each of us, whatever our > >

individual > > > > stories!!> > > > > > > > We are all human and are

blessed to be Graced with many many > > > > opportunities to do the

right thing! Hence the multitude of > > > births! > > > > We are all

loved by Someone!> > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan> > > > > > > > > > > > -

-- In , K Gopu <kgopu_24@> > >

wrote:> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > dear Bhaskarji,> > > > > whenever

we part with money to the needy we give it as> > > > > a routine or

to see that the person shud stop> > > > > bothering us (be it at home

or in public). > > > > > after following the discussion on this

subject I> > > > > suggest that our helping the needy shud be done

with a> > > > > prayer that God shud help the needy and stop this> >

> > > person from resorting to begging and he/she shud also> > > > >

have a life like other citizens of this country. and> > > > > that

god shud pardon the person who would have> > > > > committed sinful

acts in his previous birth.> > > > > > > > > > good wishes,> > > > >

k.gopu> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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