Guest guest Posted February 9, 2008 Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 Prashant, You are putting into the same 'box' astronomical bodies and astronomical points! What about Lagna (rising degree). What is its size in AU? Is it important or significant in astrological considerations? Be gentle please, if you are going to say " no! " because that will shatter this house of cards that I have worked on for all my life it seems! Sometimes 'Size does not matter -- particularly when one is not focusing on the body!' RR , Prashant <praspandey wrote: > > Dear Members Namaskar, > If we neglect the impact of Pluto on us by giving the logic that it is 38.5 AU distant to earth and also .002 part of earth mass then how Ra and Ke without having any mass cud cast impact. > > That concept is ok for our ease in astronomical calculation to tell when and where Lunar and Solar eclipse will occur. > > Instead of Ra and Ke there are three points in solar system with having mass cud impact our life.I will let it explain later what are those masses. > > If anybody cud also give some insight to my confusion then please come and lead the discussion. > > Thanks and Regards > Prashant Pandey > > > > Meet people who discuss and share your passions. Join them now. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2008 Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 Pandeyji, No one has said that you can ignore the impacts of these (smaller) planets. The actual number of astro bodies that have effect on human life is 1826- this is some how connected to human physiology- and out of these, the major planets are 7 apart from the two chaya grahas. However, you have several upagrahas and astro points.- you also have things like Mandi and gulika. The MBh discusses pluto, netptune and uranaus by calling them shyama, teevra and shweta. however, for all practical purposes, if we look at the nava graha, it is more or less enough to predict the major effects of planets on the life. hope this helps, hope this helps, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2008 Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 Dear Prashantji, I wish I had the time in the world to enter in a prolonged discussion with you, which I would have enjoyed, on this subject. We do not see spirits or Ghosts or divine entities, though they are still present in the atmosphere, and affect us , depending on our vulnerability or affections respectively. Same with Rahu and ketu. Though not visible, these are the points which indicate debts from last births, and form the crux of what this present Life is all about. I had attended 2 marriages, one in Delhi and another in Agra, a fortnight ago. It was chilly cold on both evenings, and heaters were put up on the open grounds, but the heat was available from these heaters to only those who stood below the Heaters, and not to those who were few feet away from the same. Same with Pluto. Pluto may be having its own power and intracsaies and specialities, but not enough to affect the people on Earth, hence, not included. Hope that a part of the queries are cleared. best wishes, Bhaskar. , Prashant <praspandey wrote: > > Respected RohiniJi and KishoreJi Namaskar, > > Firstly Sorry if i became arrogant anywhere in putting my points.Sorry again!!! > > Actually i am very very confused about the Ra and Ke and trying to get out from the mess.I am not finding the way out but getting new problem day by day.May be the concept which i am making might be wrong. > > Astronomical bodies are also points.Point where whole mass rests and that point is Centre of Gravity.And according to that points geography wrt to earth we can get how much gravity it is giving to our earth through Keppler's law. > > What happens if i also talk about the point which is being generated by the shadow of Me and also with Ve(Shadow with is being generated by Su's light). > So i shud say that there is also Ra(Me),Ke(Me) and Ra(Ve) and Ke (Ve). > > Now the point is now somebody will say that in its penumbra and in its umbra Earth does'nt come then how we cud consider the shadow of Mo when it is not striking earth.Why we take in to consideration the Ra and Ke when it lies in the same zodiac as Sa even it has no business with Sa,Ju,Me etc etc...... > > In place of Ra and Ke i have made three points in space(I can defend my 3 point concept through some logic but i am still in transit to make my point foolproof) which cud replace Ra and Ke very nicely and can take place in 9 grahas which we use in natal chart for prediction and what our researchers (Rishis and Munis) had given. > > I am not shattering any concept but just finding what exactly there is. > If Ma is brother of earth then why earth is seeing the life on it.why not Ma. > > Why Sa is not doing Job of Ve or Me or why Mo is not doing job of Ma. > Why always Ma represents aggression.Is all this related to orbital inclination and obliquity. > > One question is arising in mind also if let suppose Su gives birth to a planet then that planet will take alot of time to become cool but mean time we will loose life on earth.We wud be helpless to avoid life to go extinct as that planet will warm our environment and it wud be not easy to tackle. > > Anyway thanks to come for discussion, hoping to give more and more points to refine my idea. > > Thanks > Prashant Pandey > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote: > Prashant, > > You are putting into the same 'box' astronomical bodies and > astronomical points! > > What about Lagna (rising degree). What is its size in AU? > > Is it important or significant in astrological considerations? > > Be gentle please, if you are going to say " no! " because that will > shatter this house of cards that I have worked on for all my life it > seems! > > Sometimes 'Size does not matter -- particularly when one is not > focusing on the body!' > > RR > > , Prashant <praspandey@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Members Namaskar, > > If we neglect the impact of > Pluto on us by giving the logic that it is 38.5 AU distant to earth > and also .002 part of earth mass then how Ra and Ke without having > any mass cud cast impact. > > > > That concept is ok for our ease in astronomical calculation to > tell when and where Lunar and Solar eclipse will occur. > > > > Instead of Ra and Ke there are three points in solar system with > having mass cud impact our life.I will let it explain later what are > those masses. > > > > If anybody cud also give some insight to my confusion then please > come and lead the discussion. > > > > Thanks and Regards > > Prashant Pandey > > > > > > > > Meet people who discuss and share your passions. Join them now. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2008 Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 Prashant, You are discussing and there is nothing arrogant about that. Not sure where you got that impression from :-) My suggestion (which you may toss in the waste paper basket of course!) is to first master the given parameters (2 lights 5 planets 2 nodes) and when you get to the point where you can predictably ride the sleigh pulled by these 9 horses, then try to add other beasts to improve the horsepower of your astrological deductions. Otherwise the horses will just keep bumping into one another and the chariot will not proceed further. But it is your chariot and your path! Godspeed!! Rohiniranjan , Prashant <praspandey wrote: > > Respected RohiniJi and KishoreJi Namaskar, > > Firstly Sorry if i became arrogant anywhere in putting my points.Sorry again!!! > > Actually i am very very confused about the Ra and Ke and trying to get out from the mess.I am not finding the way out but getting new problem day by day.May be the concept which i am making might be wrong. > > Astronomical bodies are also points.Point where whole mass rests and that point is Centre of Gravity.And according to that points geography wrt to earth we can get how much gravity it is giving to our earth through Keppler's law. > > What happens if i also talk about the point which is being generated by the shadow of Me and also with Ve(Shadow with is being generated by Su's light). > So i shud say that there is also Ra(Me),Ke(Me) and Ra(Ve) and Ke (Ve). > > Now the point is now somebody will say that in its penumbra and in its umbra Earth does'nt come then how we cud consider the shadow of Mo when it is not striking earth.Why we take in to consideration the Ra and Ke when it lies in the same zodiac as Sa even it has no business with Sa,Ju,Me etc etc...... > > In place of Ra and Ke i have made three points in space(I can defend my 3 point concept through some logic but i am still in transit to make my point foolproof) which cud replace Ra and Ke very nicely and can take place in 9 grahas which we use in natal chart for prediction and what our researchers (Rishis and Munis) had given. > > I am not shattering any concept but just finding what exactly there is. > If Ma is brother of earth then why earth is seeing the life on it.why not Ma. > > Why Sa is not doing Job of Ve or Me or why Mo is not doing job of Ma. > Why always Ma represents aggression.Is all this related to orbital inclination and obliquity. > > One question is arising in mind also if let suppose Su gives birth to a planet then that planet will take alot of time to become cool but mean time we will loose life on earth.We wud be helpless to avoid life to go extinct as that planet will warm our environment and it wud be not easy to tackle. > > Anyway thanks to come for discussion, hoping to give more and more points to refine my idea. > > Thanks > Prashant Pandey > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote: > Prashant, > > You are putting into the same 'box' astronomical bodies and > astronomical points! > > What about Lagna (rising degree). What is its size in AU? > > Is it important or significant in astrological considerations? > > Be gentle please, if you are going to say " no! " because that will > shatter this house of cards that I have worked on for all my life it > seems! > > Sometimes 'Size does not matter -- particularly when one is not > focusing on the body!' > > RR > > , Prashant <praspandey@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Members Namaskar, > > If we neglect the impact of > Pluto on us by giving the logic that it is 38.5 AU distant to earth > and also .002 part of earth mass then how Ra and Ke without having > any mass cud cast impact. > > > > That concept is ok for our ease in astronomical calculation to > tell when and where Lunar and Solar eclipse will occur. > > > > Instead of Ra and Ke there are three points in solar system with > having mass cud impact our life.I will let it explain later what are > those masses. > > > > If anybody cud also give some insight to my confusion then please > come and lead the discussion. > > > > Thanks and Regards > > Prashant Pandey > > > > > > > > Meet people who discuss and share your passions. Join them now. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2008 Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 Dear Prashantji, Personally, the school of thought to which I belong, Pluto does exist, in its effects when it is connected to important points like the Ascendant Degrees or the MC etc. and will prove to be the destruction and transformation to the attributes of the house which it is connected with, and so does Neptune and Uranus, which also have their effects on the native, and which are recognised by the ancient Sages as Prajapati and Yama ...... , but I will delve into this later, after April 2008, when I am more free. rgrds/Bhaskar. , " Bhaskar " <rajiventerprises wrote: > > Dear Prashantji, > > I wish I had the time in the world to > enter in a prolonged discussion with you, > which I would have enjoyed, on this subject. > > We do not see spirits or Ghosts > or divine entities, though they > are still present in the atmosphere, and > affect us , depending on our > vulnerability or affections > respectively. Same with Rahu > and ketu. > Though not visible, these > are the points which indicate debts from last > births, and form the crux of what this present > Life is all about. > > I had attended 2 marriages, one in > Delhi and another in Agra, a fortnight > ago. It was chilly cold on both evenings, > and heaters were put up on > the open grounds, but the heat > was available from these heaters > to only those who stood below the Heaters, > and not to those who were few feet away > from the same. Same with Pluto. > Pluto may be having its own power > and intracsaies and specialities, > but not enough to affect the people > on Earth, hence, not included. > > Hope that a part of the queries are cleared. > > best wishes, > Bhaskar. , Prashant <praspandey@> > wrote: > > > > Respected RohiniJi and KishoreJi Namaskar, > > > > Firstly Sorry if i became arrogant anywhere in putting my > points.Sorry again!!! > > > > Actually i am very very confused about the Ra and Ke and trying > to get out from the mess.I am not finding the way out but getting > new problem day by day.May be the concept which i am making might be > wrong. > > > > Astronomical bodies are also points.Point where whole mass rests > and that point is Centre of Gravity.And according to that points > geography wrt to earth we can get how much gravity it is giving to > our earth through Keppler's law. > > > > What happens if i also talk about the point which is being > generated by the shadow of Me and also with Ve(Shadow with is being > generated by Su's light). > > So i shud say that there is also Ra(Me),Ke(Me) and Ra(Ve) and Ke > (Ve). > > > > Now the point is now somebody will say that in its penumbra and > in its umbra Earth does'nt come then how we cud consider the shadow > of Mo when it is not striking earth.Why we take in to consideration > the Ra and Ke when it lies in the same zodiac as Sa even it has no > business with Sa,Ju,Me etc etc...... > > > > In place of Ra and Ke i have made three points in space(I can > defend my 3 point concept through some logic but i am still in > transit to make my point foolproof) which cud replace Ra and Ke very > nicely and can take place in 9 grahas which we use in natal chart > for prediction and what our researchers (Rishis and Munis) had given. > > > > I am not shattering any concept but just finding what exactly > there is. > > If Ma is brother of earth then why earth is seeing the life on > it.why not Ma. > > > > Why Sa is not doing Job of Ve or Me or why Mo is not doing job > of Ma. > > Why always Ma represents aggression.Is all this related to > orbital inclination and obliquity. > > > > One question is arising in mind also if let suppose Su gives > birth to a planet then that planet will take alot of time to become > cool but mean time we will loose life on earth.We wud be helpless to > avoid life to go extinct as that planet will warm our environment > and it wud be not easy to tackle. > > > > Anyway thanks to come for discussion, hoping to give more and > more points to refine my idea. > > > > Thanks > > Prashant Pandey > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > Prashant, > > > > You are putting into the same 'box' astronomical bodies and > > astronomical points! > > > > What about Lagna (rising degree). What is its size in AU? > > > > Is it important or significant in astrological considerations? > > > > Be gentle please, if you are going to say " no! " because that will > > shatter this house of cards that I have worked on for all my life > it > > seems! > > > > Sometimes 'Size does not matter -- particularly when one is not > > focusing on the body!' > > > > RR > > > > , Prashant <praspandey@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Members Namaskar, > > > If we neglect the impact of > > Pluto on us by giving the logic that it is 38.5 AU distant to > earth > > and also .002 part of earth mass then how Ra and Ke without having > > any mass cud cast impact. > > > > > > That concept is ok for our ease in astronomical calculation to > > tell when and where Lunar and Solar eclipse will occur. > > > > > > Instead of Ra and Ke there are three points in solar system with > > having mass cud impact our life.I will let it explain later what > are > > those masses. > > > > > > If anybody cud also give some insight to my confusion then > please > > come and lead the discussion. > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > Prashant Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > Meet people who discuss and share your passions. 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