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Prashant,

 

You are putting into the same 'box' astronomical bodies and

astronomical points!

 

What about Lagna (rising degree). What is its size in AU?

 

Is it important or significant in astrological considerations?

 

Be gentle please, if you are going to say " no! " because that will

shatter this house of cards that I have worked on for all my life it

seems!

 

Sometimes 'Size does not matter -- particularly when one is not

focusing on the body!'

 

RR

 

, Prashant <praspandey

wrote:

>

> Dear Members Namaskar,

> If we neglect the impact of

Pluto on us by giving the logic that it is 38.5 AU distant to earth

and also .002 part of earth mass then how Ra and Ke without having

any mass cud cast impact.

>

> That concept is ok for our ease in astronomical calculation to

tell when and where Lunar and Solar eclipse will occur.

>

> Instead of Ra and Ke there are three points in solar system with

having mass cud impact our life.I will let it explain later what are

those masses.

>

> If anybody cud also give some insight to my confusion then please

come and lead the discussion.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Prashant Pandey

>

>

>

> Meet people who discuss and share your passions. Join them now.

>

>

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Pandeyji,

 

No one has said that you can ignore the impacts of these (smaller) planets.

 

The actual number of astro bodies that have effect on human life is 1826-

this is some how connected to human physiology- and out of these, the major

planets are 7 apart from the two chaya grahas.

 

However, you have several upagrahas and astro points.- you also have things

like Mandi and gulika.

 

The MBh discusses pluto, netptune and uranaus by calling them shyama, teevra

and shweta.

 

however, for all practical purposes, if we look at the nava graha, it is

more or less enough to predict the major effects of planets on the life.

 

hope this helps,

 

 

hope this helps,

 

 

 

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Dear Prashantji,

 

I wish I had the time in the world to

enter in a prolonged discussion with you,

which I would have enjoyed, on this subject.

 

We do not see spirits or Ghosts

or divine entities, though they

are still present in the atmosphere, and

affect us , depending on our

vulnerability or affections

respectively. Same with Rahu

and ketu.

Though not visible, these

are the points which indicate debts from last

births, and form the crux of what this present

Life is all about.

 

I had attended 2 marriages, one in

Delhi and another in Agra, a fortnight

ago. It was chilly cold on both evenings,

and heaters were put up on

the open grounds, but the heat

was available from these heaters

to only those who stood below the Heaters,

and not to those who were few feet away

from the same. Same with Pluto.

Pluto may be having its own power

and intracsaies and specialities,

but not enough to affect the people

on Earth, hence, not included.

 

Hope that a part of the queries are cleared.

 

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

, Prashant <praspandey

wrote:

>

> Respected RohiniJi and KishoreJi Namaskar,

>

> Firstly Sorry if i became arrogant anywhere in putting my

points.Sorry again!!!

>

> Actually i am very very confused about the Ra and Ke and trying

to get out from the mess.I am not finding the way out but getting

new problem day by day.May be the concept which i am making might be

wrong.

>

> Astronomical bodies are also points.Point where whole mass rests

and that point is Centre of Gravity.And according to that points

geography wrt to earth we can get how much gravity it is giving to

our earth through Keppler's law.

>

> What happens if i also talk about the point which is being

generated by the shadow of Me and also with Ve(Shadow with is being

generated by Su's light).

> So i shud say that there is also Ra(Me),Ke(Me) and Ra(Ve) and Ke

(Ve).

>

> Now the point is now somebody will say that in its penumbra and

in its umbra Earth does'nt come then how we cud consider the shadow

of Mo when it is not striking earth.Why we take in to consideration

the Ra and Ke when it lies in the same zodiac as Sa even it has no

business with Sa,Ju,Me etc etc......

>

> In place of Ra and Ke i have made three points in space(I can

defend my 3 point concept through some logic but i am still in

transit to make my point foolproof) which cud replace Ra and Ke very

nicely and can take place in 9 grahas which we use in natal chart

for prediction and what our researchers (Rishis and Munis) had given.

>

> I am not shattering any concept but just finding what exactly

there is.

> If Ma is brother of earth then why earth is seeing the life on

it.why not Ma.

>

> Why Sa is not doing Job of Ve or Me or why Mo is not doing job

of Ma.

> Why always Ma represents aggression.Is all this related to

orbital inclination and obliquity.

>

> One question is arising in mind also if let suppose Su gives

birth to a planet then that planet will take alot of time to become

cool but mean time we will loose life on earth.We wud be helpless to

avoid life to go extinct as that planet will warm our environment

and it wud be not easy to tackle.

>

> Anyway thanks to come for discussion, hoping to give more and

more points to refine my idea.

>

> Thanks

> Prashant Pandey

>

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote:

> Prashant,

>

> You are putting into the same 'box' astronomical bodies and

> astronomical points!

>

> What about Lagna (rising degree). What is its size in AU?

>

> Is it important or significant in astrological considerations?

>

> Be gentle please, if you are going to say " no! " because that will

> shatter this house of cards that I have worked on for all my life

it

> seems!

>

> Sometimes 'Size does not matter -- particularly when one is not

> focusing on the body!'

>

> RR

>

> , Prashant <praspandey@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Members Namaskar,

> > If we neglect the impact of

> Pluto on us by giving the logic that it is 38.5 AU distant to

earth

> and also .002 part of earth mass then how Ra and Ke without having

> any mass cud cast impact.

> >

> > That concept is ok for our ease in astronomical calculation to

> tell when and where Lunar and Solar eclipse will occur.

> >

> > Instead of Ra and Ke there are three points in solar system with

> having mass cud impact our life.I will let it explain later what

are

> those masses.

> >

> > If anybody cud also give some insight to my confusion then

please

> come and lead the discussion.

> >

> > Thanks and Regards

> > Prashant Pandey

> >

> >

> >

> > Meet people who discuss and share your passions. Join them now.

> >

> >

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Prashant,

 

You are discussing and there is nothing arrogant about that. Not sure

where you got that impression from :-)

 

My suggestion (which you may toss in the waste paper basket of

course!) is to first master the given parameters (2 lights 5 planets

2 nodes) and when you get to the point where you can predictably ride

the sleigh pulled by these 9 horses, then try to add other beasts to

improve the horsepower of your astrological deductions. Otherwise the

horses will just keep bumping into one another and the chariot will

not proceed further.

 

But it is your chariot and your path!

 

Godspeed!!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

 

 

, Prashant <praspandey

wrote:

>

> Respected RohiniJi and KishoreJi Namaskar,

>

> Firstly Sorry if i became arrogant anywhere in putting my

points.Sorry again!!!

>

> Actually i am very very confused about the Ra and Ke and trying

to get out from the mess.I am not finding the way out but getting new

problem day by day.May be the concept which i am making might be

wrong.

>

> Astronomical bodies are also points.Point where whole mass rests

and that point is Centre of Gravity.And according to that points

geography wrt to earth we can get how much gravity it is giving to

our earth through Keppler's law.

>

> What happens if i also talk about the point which is being

generated by the shadow of Me and also with Ve(Shadow with is being

generated by Su's light).

> So i shud say that there is also Ra(Me),Ke(Me) and Ra(Ve) and Ke

(Ve).

>

> Now the point is now somebody will say that in its penumbra and

in its umbra Earth does'nt come then how we cud consider the shadow

of Mo when it is not striking earth.Why we take in to consideration

the Ra and Ke when it lies in the same zodiac as Sa even it has no

business with Sa,Ju,Me etc etc......

>

> In place of Ra and Ke i have made three points in space(I can

defend my 3 point concept through some logic but i am still in

transit to make my point foolproof) which cud replace Ra and Ke very

nicely and can take place in 9 grahas which we use in natal chart for

prediction and what our researchers (Rishis and Munis) had given.

>

> I am not shattering any concept but just finding what exactly

there is.

> If Ma is brother of earth then why earth is seeing the life on

it.why not Ma.

>

> Why Sa is not doing Job of Ve or Me or why Mo is not doing job of

Ma.

> Why always Ma represents aggression.Is all this related to

orbital inclination and obliquity.

>

> One question is arising in mind also if let suppose Su gives

birth to a planet then that planet will take alot of time to become

cool but mean time we will loose life on earth.We wud be helpless to

avoid life to go extinct as that planet will warm our environment and

it wud be not easy to tackle.

>

> Anyway thanks to come for discussion, hoping to give more and

more points to refine my idea.

>

> Thanks

> Prashant Pandey

>

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote:

> Prashant,

>

> You are putting into the same 'box' astronomical bodies and

> astronomical points!

>

> What about Lagna (rising degree). What is its size in AU?

>

> Is it important or significant in astrological considerations?

>

> Be gentle please, if you are going to say " no! " because that will

> shatter this house of cards that I have worked on for all my life

it

> seems!

>

> Sometimes 'Size does not matter -- particularly when one is not

> focusing on the body!'

>

> RR

>

> , Prashant <praspandey@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Members Namaskar,

> > If we neglect the impact of

> Pluto on us by giving the logic that it is 38.5 AU distant to earth

> and also .002 part of earth mass then how Ra and Ke without having

> any mass cud cast impact.

> >

> > That concept is ok for our ease in astronomical calculation to

> tell when and where Lunar and Solar eclipse will occur.

> >

> > Instead of Ra and Ke there are three points in solar system with

> having mass cud impact our life.I will let it explain later what

are

> those masses.

> >

> > If anybody cud also give some insight to my confusion then please

> come and lead the discussion.

> >

> > Thanks and Regards

> > Prashant Pandey

> >

> >

> >

> > Meet people who discuss and share your passions. Join them now.

> >

> >

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Dear Prashantji,

 

Personally,

the school of thought

to which I belong,

Pluto does exist, in its effects

when it is connected to important points

like the Ascendant Degrees or the MC etc.

and will prove to be the destruction and

transformation to the attributes

of the house which it is connected with,

and so does Neptune and Uranus, which also

have their effects on the native,

and which are recognised by the

ancient Sages as Prajapati

and Yama ...... , but I will delve into

this later,

after April 2008, when

I am more free.

 

rgrds/Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " Bhaskar "

<rajiventerprises wrote:

>

> Dear Prashantji,

>

> I wish I had the time in the world to

> enter in a prolonged discussion with you,

> which I would have enjoyed, on this subject.

>

> We do not see spirits or Ghosts

> or divine entities, though they

> are still present in the atmosphere, and

> affect us , depending on our

> vulnerability or affections

> respectively. Same with Rahu

> and ketu.

> Though not visible, these

> are the points which indicate debts from last

> births, and form the crux of what this present

> Life is all about.

>

> I had attended 2 marriages, one in

> Delhi and another in Agra, a fortnight

> ago. It was chilly cold on both evenings,

> and heaters were put up on

> the open grounds, but the heat

> was available from these heaters

> to only those who stood below the Heaters,

> and not to those who were few feet away

> from the same. Same with Pluto.

> Pluto may be having its own power

> and intracsaies and specialities,

> but not enough to affect the people

> on Earth, hence, not included.

>

> Hope that a part of the queries are cleared.

>

> best wishes,

> Bhaskar.

, Prashant <praspandey@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Respected RohiniJi and KishoreJi Namaskar,

> >

> > Firstly Sorry if i became arrogant anywhere in putting my

> points.Sorry again!!!

> >

> > Actually i am very very confused about the Ra and Ke and

trying

> to get out from the mess.I am not finding the way out but getting

> new problem day by day.May be the concept which i am making might

be

> wrong.

> >

> > Astronomical bodies are also points.Point where whole mass

rests

> and that point is Centre of Gravity.And according to that points

> geography wrt to earth we can get how much gravity it is giving to

> our earth through Keppler's law.

> >

> > What happens if i also talk about the point which is being

> generated by the shadow of Me and also with Ve(Shadow with is

being

> generated by Su's light).

> > So i shud say that there is also Ra(Me),Ke(Me) and Ra(Ve) and

Ke

> (Ve).

> >

> > Now the point is now somebody will say that in its penumbra

and

> in its umbra Earth does'nt come then how we cud consider the

shadow

> of Mo when it is not striking earth.Why we take in to

consideration

> the Ra and Ke when it lies in the same zodiac as Sa even it has no

> business with Sa,Ju,Me etc etc......

> >

> > In place of Ra and Ke i have made three points in space(I can

> defend my 3 point concept through some logic but i am still in

> transit to make my point foolproof) which cud replace Ra and Ke

very

> nicely and can take place in 9 grahas which we use in natal chart

> for prediction and what our researchers (Rishis and Munis) had

given.

> >

> > I am not shattering any concept but just finding what exactly

> there is.

> > If Ma is brother of earth then why earth is seeing the life on

> it.why not Ma.

> >

> > Why Sa is not doing Job of Ve or Me or why Mo is not doing job

> of Ma.

> > Why always Ma represents aggression.Is all this related to

> orbital inclination and obliquity.

> >

> > One question is arising in mind also if let suppose Su gives

> birth to a planet then that planet will take alot of time to

become

> cool but mean time we will loose life on earth.We wud be helpless

to

> avoid life to go extinct as that planet will warm our environment

> and it wud be not easy to tackle.

> >

> > Anyway thanks to come for discussion, hoping to give more and

> more points to refine my idea.

> >

> > Thanks

> > Prashant Pandey

> >

> > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@> wrote:

> > Prashant,

> >

> > You are putting into the same 'box' astronomical bodies and

> > astronomical points!

> >

> > What about Lagna (rising degree). What is its size in AU?

> >

> > Is it important or significant in astrological considerations?

> >

> > Be gentle please, if you are going to say " no! " because that

will

> > shatter this house of cards that I have worked on for all my

life

> it

> > seems!

> >

> > Sometimes 'Size does not matter -- particularly when one is not

> > focusing on the body!'

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , Prashant <praspandey@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Members Namaskar,

> > > If we neglect the impact of

> > Pluto on us by giving the logic that it is 38.5 AU distant to

> earth

> > and also .002 part of earth mass then how Ra and Ke without

having

> > any mass cud cast impact.

> > >

> > > That concept is ok for our ease in astronomical calculation to

> > tell when and where Lunar and Solar eclipse will occur.

> > >

> > > Instead of Ra and Ke there are three points in solar system

with

> > having mass cud impact our life.I will let it explain later what

> are

> > those masses.

> > >

> > > If anybody cud also give some insight to my confusion then

> please

> > come and lead the discussion.

> > >

> > > Thanks and Regards

> > > Prashant Pandey

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Meet people who discuss and share your passions. Join them now.

> > >

> > >

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