rama was born as vishnu was cursed by vrinda 17/1

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dear arjunji

 

this is a very informative post and sure has a lot of food for thought apart

from what ramayana , vishnu puranas says also must be taken into perspective as

listed by you.

 

and sicne the scheme of the rakshas-Jaya, Vijaya the dwara palakas of Vaikunta

[vishnu's base] taking 3 lives by the curse of Druva for not allowing him a

darshanduring a private time of the Lord.

 

this chapter of Jalandhara, Vrinda etc r also part of the total picture

 

the other side is more important I mean the last line where u said if one is a

evil person also the virtue by chastity of him can save the evil man, this has

more examples in ramayana itself in Ravana's wife [who was also Vali's wife-but

still a Pativrata, Indrajit's wife's prayers as a pativratha also helped both of

them in their toughest moments which were similarly distracted by the devatas to

finally end their chapters [lives of evil men]

 

I WANT TO MAKE MY STAND clear here [least it be taken from a male chauvinists

angle]

 

that is chastity limited to WOMEN? it is a yes and no

 

know from the above examples how these evil men's wiveshave prayed to protect

their husbands lives, these people were good to many but bad to some in a big

way.

 

is chastity limited to women?

 

YES in the sense that all FEMALE species have limited sexual life compared to

males

 

be it cows, whales, elephants or wild animals apart from human beings as nature

has made female species the real care givers with more energy, patience

forgiveness, time to nurture, protect and care for the young and old members of

the species. though in all cases we do see male species take care

 

there are times when we see cats being fed by dogs etc but these r rare so the

mechanism to care is natural to women/female species and as long as their

energy is not diluted they are far stronger than men [even the so called

bad/evil men as it is the goodness of their wives that keep their lamp of life

glowing

 

I have always addressed women's issues with more attention in any group as said

they r the real care givers if they r happy so will the rest of the society

around them, today their challenges are a lot more

apart from care they do lend financial strength to families and where even sons

have deserted parents they have stood solidly behind them it is a natural trait

for caring by women

 

if some sons have deserted their parents it is some weak womens role too

 

but some day they will get back to their roots and be fine.so guiding such

people is also important and here too may be curses of previous lives to suffer

may be part of it and the characters there r just players in natures games or

stage [drama] what we see and suffer or enjoy is part of such a scheme

 

arjunji a great post anyway

 

Best wishes

 

panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote:

dear friends

 

many people wonder as to why king rama suffered various hardships

like fourteen years of secluded life in jungles (equivalent to life

imprisonment under present Indian law) and separation from wife and

children etc. several astrologers tried to cast king rama's chart

based on the descriptions given in valmiki Ramayana and find out

astrological reasons for his troubles but astrologically his chart is

the best one could imagine.

 

The only reason for the sufferings of king rama or lord rama in human

form (a reincarnation of lord Vishnu) is due to the curse received by

lord Vishnu from pativratas (chaste women) for outraging their

modesties by deceit.

 

once upon a time brihaspati (jupiter) and indra (king of devatas)

visited kailasha to meet lord shiva and to test them, shiva appeared

in the form of a digambara and not realizing it, indra tries to kill

him with his thunderbolt due to which lord shiva gets furiated and

releases fire from his third eye. realizing the anger of lord shiva,

jupiter makes indra fall at the feet of shiva and prays to lord shiva

to shower mercy and spare indra after which lord shiva lets the fire

released from his third eye thrown into the salt ocean (lavanambodhi)

and this fire that has fallen into this ocean takes the form of a boy

called jalandhara. since jupiter helped indra get his life back,

lord shiva grants the name of jeeva (enlivener) to jupiter. later

realizing the strength of jalandhara, brahma blesses him to become

the emperor of asuras and asks sukra (venus) to coronate and later

performs jalandhara's marriage with vrinda, the daughter of

kalanemi. seeing the headless rahu, jalandhara finds out the reason

for rahu's headlessness and decides to fight with vishnu. in the

battle, sukra used to bring back the dead asuras to life with his

mritasanjivini vidya and jupiter used to bring back the dead devatas

to life with rarest herbs found only in drona mountain. knowing

this, jalandhara uproots the drona mountain and throws into the

ocean. (drona mountain is now in the almora district of kumaon).

 

jalandhara fights battle with vishnu and make vishnu and his family

live in jalandhara's house and conquers all the three worlds. vishnu

could not win the battle since jalandhara is born out of lord shiva.

then sage narada hatches a plot and tells jalandhara to go and get

parvati who is the most beautiful woman in the world. narada also

tells that once even brahma fell to the beauty of parvati but was

cursed by siva which was a different story. then jalandhara goes to

manasasarovar and find parvati who gets vanished after spotted by

jalandhara and asks Vishnu to outrage the modesty of jalandhara's

wife saying that as long as his wife is chaste, due to her power,

jalandha cannot be killed even by shiva. jalandhara becomes busy in

kailasa to get paravati and fight lord shiva.

 

vishnu cast (maya) a bad dream for vrinda, the wife of jalandhara

after which vrinda goes into the forest and find two monsters fleeing

from which she approaches a brahmin who kills these monsters with a

mere sound. then vrinda asks this brahmin to let her know the status

of jalandhara who had gone to fight shiva and this brahmin lets two

monkeys bring the deadbody of jalandhar in front. vrinda falls at

the feet of this brahmin and prays to him to bring back jalandhara to

life and lo, jalandhara (vishnu in disguise) wakes up and embraces

vrinda and have sex only after which she realizes that it was vishnu

and not jalandhara and curses vishnu to take a human shape and then

his wife would be distracted by two rakshasas, the same two monsters

who made vrinda to approach this deceitful brahmin. like this

brahmin, a demon in disguise as a brahmin approaches your wife and

abducts her. like me, you would also search for your wife in

jungles. since you used monkeys to bring a false deadbody of my

husband, you would not find your wife without taking the help of real

monkeys. after giving these curses, the chaste vrinda enters into a

fire and attains salvation.

 

from the above, it is clear that vishnu took a human shape only due

to the curse of vrinda and his search in jungles, deceit by the

rakshasas, his wife taken away by another person, taking the help of

monkeys is all due to the curse of vrinda, a pativrata. these

stories also highlight the power of a chaste woman by signifying that

even if the husband of a chaste woman is bad, he would become

invincible due to the power of his wife.

 

since these stories find mention in various puranas, astrologers who

prepared the chart of rama based on the details given in valmiki

ramayana, may find out how these curses are reflected in his chart.

 

with best wishes and blessings

pandit arjun

www.rudraksharemedy.com

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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dear prashantji

 

to answer your question, chastity is not meant only for women and it

applies to both men and women. all these stories highlight how a

chaste woman was powerful enough to give curses to gods and how an

unchaste husband even if he is a god, earned curses and suffered

hardships.

 

the underlying lesson one must learn from these mythological stories

from our puranas is that a man's future is not decided squarely by

astrology alone and there are various other factors which can change

the course of the future.

 

firstly it is the accrual of good or bad karmas from the previous

birth. then the fresh good and bad karmas done in this birth would

negate or aggravate the previous bad karma results. simply put, the

karma theory catches up and hence one shall always strive to do only

good karmas.

 

secondly the curses and blessings (boons) by parents, elders,

righteous brahmins, sages, saints and gods have the power to

completely change the future which is evident from various stories

narrated in the puranas.

 

thirdly, with freewill and by penance, one can attain salvation,

become enlightened and get freed from the karmic cycle.

 

fourthly, evil eye or black magic is something which is done by

enemies and others and the victim is ignorant and cant do anything as

it is known only after these acts are done.

 

hence, my humble submission is that the natives must not focus more

on knowing the predictive part of astrology but shall rather be

interested in solving their problems and get relief from their

sufferings through divine holy remedies as mentioned in the puranas.

 

with best wishes and blessings

pandit arjun

www.rudraksharemedy.com

 

, Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar wrote:

>

> dear arjunji

>

> this is a very informative post and sure has a lot of food for

thought apart from what ramayana , vishnu puranas says also must be

taken into perspective as listed by you.

>

> and sicne the scheme of the rakshas-Jaya, Vijaya the dwara palakas

of Vaikunta [vishnu's base] taking 3 lives by the curse of Druva for

not allowing him a darshanduring a private time of the Lord.

>

> this chapter of Jalandhara, Vrinda etc r also part of the total

picture

>

> the other side is more important I mean the last line where u said

if one is a evil person also the virtue by chastity of him can save

the evil man, this has more examples in ramayana itself in Ravana's

wife [who was also Vali's wife-but still a Pativrata, Indrajit's

wife's prayers as a pativratha also helped both of them in their

toughest moments which were similarly distracted by the devatas to

finally end their chapters [lives of evil men]

>

> I WANT TO MAKE MY STAND clear here [least it be taken from a male

chauvinists angle]

>

> that is chastity limited to WOMEN? it is a yes and no

>

> know from the above examples how these evil men's wiveshave prayed

to protect their husbands lives, these people were good to many but

bad to some in a big way.

>

> is chastity limited to women?

>

> YES in the sense that all FEMALE species have limited sexual life

compared to males

>

> be it cows, whales, elephants or wild animals apart from human

beings as nature has made female species the real care givers with

more energy, patience forgiveness, time to nurture, protect and care

for the young and old members of the species. though in all cases we

do see male species take care

>

> there are times when we see cats being fed by dogs etc but these r

rare so the mechanism to care is natural to women/female species

and as long as their energy is not diluted they are far stronger than

men [even the so called bad/evil men as it is the goodness of their

wives that keep their lamp of life glowing

>

> I have always addressed women's issues with more attention in any

group as said they r the real care givers if they r happy so will the

rest of the society around them, today their challenges are a lot more

> apart from care they do lend financial strength to families and

where even sons have deserted parents they have stood solidly behind

them it is a natural trait for caring by women

>

> if some sons have deserted their parents it is some weak womens

role too

>

> but some day they will get back to their roots and be fine.so

guiding such people is also important and here too may be curses of

previous lives to suffer may be part of it and the characters there r

just players in natures games or stage [drama] what we see and suffer

or enjoy is part of such a scheme

>

> arjunji a great post anyway

>

> Best wishes

>

> panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004

wrote: dear friends

>

> many people wonder as to why king rama suffered various hardships

> like fourteen years of secluded life in jungles (equivalent to

life

> imprisonment under present Indian law) and separation from wife

and

> children etc. several astrologers tried to cast king rama's chart

> based on the descriptions given in valmiki Ramayana and find out

> astrological reasons for his troubles but astrologically his chart

is

> the best one could imagine.

>

> The only reason for the sufferings of king rama or lord rama in

human

> form (a reincarnation of lord Vishnu) is due to the curse received

by

> lord Vishnu from pativratas (chaste women) for outraging their

> modesties by deceit.

>

> once upon a time brihaspati (jupiter) and indra (king of devatas)

> visited kailasha to meet lord shiva and to test them, shiva

appeared

> in the form of a digambara and not realizing it, indra tries to

kill

> him with his thunderbolt due to which lord shiva gets furiated and

> releases fire from his third eye. realizing the anger of lord

shiva,

> jupiter makes indra fall at the feet of shiva and prays to lord

shiva

> to shower mercy and spare indra after which lord shiva lets the

fire

> released from his third eye thrown into the salt ocean

(lavanambodhi)

> and this fire that has fallen into this ocean takes the form of a

boy

> called jalandhara. since jupiter helped indra get his life back,

> lord shiva grants the name of jeeva (enlivener) to jupiter. later

> realizing the strength of jalandhara, brahma blesses him to become

> the emperor of asuras and asks sukra (venus) to coronate and later

> performs jalandhara's marriage with vrinda, the daughter of

> kalanemi. seeing the headless rahu, jalandhara finds out the

reason

> for rahu's headlessness and decides to fight with vishnu. in the

> battle, sukra used to bring back the dead asuras to life with his

> mritasanjivini vidya and jupiter used to bring back the dead

devatas

> to life with rarest herbs found only in drona mountain. knowing

> this, jalandhara uproots the drona mountain and throws into the

> ocean. (drona mountain is now in the almora district of kumaon).

>

> jalandhara fights battle with vishnu and make vishnu and his

family

> live in jalandhara's house and conquers all the three worlds.

vishnu

> could not win the battle since jalandhara is born out of lord

shiva.

> then sage narada hatches a plot and tells jalandhara to go and get

> parvati who is the most beautiful woman in the world. narada also

> tells that once even brahma fell to the beauty of parvati but was

> cursed by siva which was a different story. then jalandhara goes

to

> manasasarovar and find parvati who gets vanished after spotted by

> jalandhara and asks Vishnu to outrage the modesty of jalandhara's

> wife saying that as long as his wife is chaste, due to her power,

> jalandha cannot be killed even by shiva. jalandhara becomes busy

in

> kailasa to get paravati and fight lord shiva.

>

> vishnu cast (maya) a bad dream for vrinda, the wife of jalandhara

> after which vrinda goes into the forest and find two monsters

fleeing

> from which she approaches a brahmin who kills these monsters with

a

> mere sound. then vrinda asks this brahmin to let her know the

status

> of jalandhara who had gone to fight shiva and this brahmin lets

two

> monkeys bring the deadbody of jalandhar in front. vrinda falls at

> the feet of this brahmin and prays to him to bring back jalandhara

to

> life and lo, jalandhara (vishnu in disguise) wakes up and embraces

> vrinda and have sex only after which she realizes that it was

vishnu

> and not jalandhara and curses vishnu to take a human shape and

then

> his wife would be distracted by two rakshasas, the same two

monsters

> who made vrinda to approach this deceitful brahmin. like this

> brahmin, a demon in disguise as a brahmin approaches your wife and

> abducts her. like me, you would also search for your wife in

> jungles. since you used monkeys to bring a false deadbody of my

> husband, you would not find your wife without taking the help of

real

> monkeys. after giving these curses, the chaste vrinda enters into

a

> fire and attains salvation.

>

> from the above, it is clear that vishnu took a human shape only

due

> to the curse of vrinda and his search in jungles, deceit by the

> rakshasas, his wife taken away by another person, taking the help

of

> monkeys is all due to the curse of vrinda, a pativrata. these

> stories also highlight the power of a chaste woman by signifying

that

> even if the husband of a chaste woman is bad, he would become

> invincible due to the power of his wife.

>

> since these stories find mention in various puranas, astrologers

who

> prepared the chart of rama based on the details given in valmiki

> ramayana, may find out how these curses are reflected in his chart.

>

> with best wishes and blessings

> pandit arjun

> www.rudraksharemedy.com

>

>

 

> Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with

Search.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Shri Panditji,

 

Pranams.

With due respects to your seniority,

and Knowledge .

 

To highlight the power of chastity in a women,

we need not raise a cock and bull story, which

cannot be verified, or may have been inserted

in the places from wher you have picked it, by

a Tamasic directed mind,.

 

I do not believe Lord Vishnu in any form could

outrage the modesty of a Lady, due to any

reason.

 

If You had to highlight this point, then please

use examples of Mandodari, or Dhruvs Mother,

or Prahlads mother, or Laxmans wife,

and so many others in our Puranic literature.

 

We need not use a unauthenticated unverificable

negative to highlight a positive.

There are 5-7 reasons given in the Books,

one of them was mentioned by Shri Prashantji

(Jay Vijay).,which reasons seem too proper and

logical for the Incarnation of Lord Vishnu as King

Shri Rama. And do not forget the curse received by

Lord Dashratha in hus youth when he

killed a old blind person drinking water by

mistake, which also is the reason for Lord ramas

exile.

 

By the way forget chastity, if in todays world

women knew how to speak to their husbands,

then 80% of the homes would have looked like

mini heavens. This does not mean that

husbands are spotless, but speed and money

are the pivots of times today, and chastity takes

back seat . So then whom are we addressing ?

 

You also said prepare Lord Ramas chart as per

Valmiki Ramayana. Here it is difficult to

predict for ordinary human beings horoscope,

then how could one think of commenting an

avataars chart ?

 

The rest of your points are well taken and

accepted, including the main one.

 

1) Power of chastity can secure the husband

from physical calamities as well as progress

in after Life states.

 

I agree that a mans Future stands on these factors-

 

1) firstly it is the accrual of good or bad karmas

from the previous birth .

 

2) secondly the curses and blessings (boons)

by parents, elders, righteous brahmins, sages,

saints and gods have the power to completely

change the future.

 

3) thirdly, with freewill and by penance, one

can attain salvation, become enlightened and

get freed from the karmic cycle.

 

4) fourthly, evil eye or black magic is something

which is done by enemies and others and the victim

is ignorant and cant do anything .

 

I also agree your statement that -

the natives must not focus more on knowing the predictive

part of astrology but shall rather be interested in solving their

problems and get relief from their sufferings through divine

holy remedies as mentioned in the puranas.

 

I have just given my views, as you have

given yours, so nothing to be taken personally.

 

Yours affectionately,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " panditarjun2004 "

<panditarjun2004 wrote:

>

> dear prashantji

>

> to answer your question, chastity is not meant only for women and

it

> applies to both men and women. all these stories highlight how a

> chaste woman was powerful enough to give curses to gods and how an

> unchaste husband even if he is a god, earned curses and suffered

> hardships.

>

> the underlying lesson one must learn from these mythological

stories

> from our puranas is that a man's future is not decided squarely by

> astrology alone and there are various other factors which can

change

> the course of the future.

>

> firstly it is the accrual of good or bad karmas from the previous

> birth. then the fresh good and bad karmas done in this birth

would

> negate or aggravate the previous bad karma results. simply put,

the

> karma theory catches up and hence one shall always strive to do

only

> good karmas.

>

> secondly the curses and blessings (boons) by parents, elders,

> righteous brahmins, sages, saints and gods have the power to

> completely change the future which is evident from various stories

> narrated in the puranas.

>

> thirdly, with freewill and by penance, one can attain salvation,

> become enlightened and get freed from the karmic cycle.

>

> fourthly, evil eye or black magic is something which is done by

> enemies and others and the victim is ignorant and cant do anything

as

> it is known only after these acts are done.

>

> hence, my humble submission is that the natives must not focus

more

> on knowing the predictive part of astrology but shall rather be

> interested in solving their problems and get relief from their

> sufferings through divine holy remedies as mentioned in the

puranas.

>

> with best wishes and blessings

> pandit arjun

> www.rudraksharemedy.com

>

> , Prashant Kumar G B

> <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> >

> > dear arjunji

> >

> > this is a very informative post and sure has a lot of food for

> thought apart from what ramayana , vishnu puranas says also must

be

> taken into perspective as listed by you.

> >

> > and sicne the scheme of the rakshas-Jaya, Vijaya the dwara

palakas

> of Vaikunta [vishnu's base] taking 3 lives by the curse of Druva

for

> not allowing him a darshanduring a private time of the Lord.

> >

> > this chapter of Jalandhara, Vrinda etc r also part of the total

> picture

> >

> > the other side is more important I mean the last line where u

said

> if one is a evil person also the virtue by chastity of him can

save

> the evil man, this has more examples in ramayana itself in

Ravana's

> wife [who was also Vali's wife-but still a Pativrata, Indrajit's

> wife's prayers as a pativratha also helped both of them in their

> toughest moments which were similarly distracted by the devatas to

> finally end their chapters [lives of evil men]

> >

> > I WANT TO MAKE MY STAND clear here [least it be taken from a

male

> chauvinists angle]

> >

> > that is chastity limited to WOMEN? it is a yes and no

> >

> > know from the above examples how these evil men's wiveshave

prayed

> to protect their husbands lives, these people were good to many

but

> bad to some in a big way.

> >

> > is chastity limited to women?

> >

> > YES in the sense that all FEMALE species have limited sexual

life

> compared to males

> >

> > be it cows, whales, elephants or wild animals apart from human

> beings as nature has made female species the real care givers

with

> more energy, patience forgiveness, time to nurture, protect and

care

> for the young and old members of the species. though in all cases

we

> do see male species take care

> >

> > there are times when we see cats being fed by dogs etc but these

r

> rare so the mechanism to care is natural to women/female species

> and as long as their energy is not diluted they are far stronger

than

> men [even the so called bad/evil men as it is the goodness of

their

> wives that keep their lamp of life glowing

> >

> > I have always addressed women's issues with more attention in

any

> group as said they r the real care givers if they r happy so will

the

> rest of the society around them, today their challenges are a lot

more

> > apart from care they do lend financial strength to families and

> where even sons have deserted parents they have stood solidly

behind

> them it is a natural trait for caring by women

> >

> > if some sons have deserted their parents it is some weak womens

> role too

> >

> > but some day they will get back to their roots and be fine.so

> guiding such people is also important and here too may be curses

of

> previous lives to suffer may be part of it and the characters

there r

> just players in natures games or stage [drama] what we see and

suffer

> or enjoy is part of such a scheme

> >

> > arjunji a great post anyway

> >

> > Best wishes

> >

> > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@>

> wrote: dear friends

> >

> > many people wonder as to why king rama suffered various

hardships

> > like fourteen years of secluded life in jungles (equivalent to

> life

> > imprisonment under present Indian law) and separation from wife

> and

> > children etc. several astrologers tried to cast king rama's

chart

> > based on the descriptions given in valmiki Ramayana and find

out

> > astrological reasons for his troubles but astrologically his

chart

> is

> > the best one could imagine.

> >

> > The only reason for the sufferings of king rama or lord rama in

> human

> > form (a reincarnation of lord Vishnu) is due to the curse

received

> by

> > lord Vishnu from pativratas (chaste women) for outraging their

> > modesties by deceit.

> >

> > once upon a time brihaspati (jupiter) and indra (king of

devatas)

> > visited kailasha to meet lord shiva and to test them, shiva

> appeared

> > in the form of a digambara and not realizing it, indra tries to

> kill

> > him with his thunderbolt due to which lord shiva gets furiated

and

> > releases fire from his third eye. realizing the anger of lord

> shiva,

> > jupiter makes indra fall at the feet of shiva and prays to lord

> shiva

> > to shower mercy and spare indra after which lord shiva lets the

> fire

> > released from his third eye thrown into the salt ocean

> (lavanambodhi)

> > and this fire that has fallen into this ocean takes the form of

a

> boy

> > called jalandhara. since jupiter helped indra get his life

back,

> > lord shiva grants the name of jeeva (enlivener) to jupiter.

later

> > realizing the strength of jalandhara, brahma blesses him to

become

> > the emperor of asuras and asks sukra (venus) to coronate and

later

> > performs jalandhara's marriage with vrinda, the daughter of

> > kalanemi. seeing the headless rahu, jalandhara finds out the

> reason

> > for rahu's headlessness and decides to fight with vishnu. in

the

> > battle, sukra used to bring back the dead asuras to life with

his

> > mritasanjivini vidya and jupiter used to bring back the dead

> devatas

> > to life with rarest herbs found only in drona mountain.

knowing

> > this, jalandhara uproots the drona mountain and throws into the

> > ocean. (drona mountain is now in the almora district of

kumaon).

> >

> > jalandhara fights battle with vishnu and make vishnu and his

> family

> > live in jalandhara's house and conquers all the three worlds.

> vishnu

> > could not win the battle since jalandhara is born out of lord

> shiva.

> > then sage narada hatches a plot and tells jalandhara to go and

get

> > parvati who is the most beautiful woman in the world. narada

also

> > tells that once even brahma fell to the beauty of parvati but

was

> > cursed by siva which was a different story. then jalandhara

goes

> to

> > manasasarovar and find parvati who gets vanished after spotted

by

> > jalandhara and asks Vishnu to outrage the modesty of

jalandhara's

> > wife saying that as long as his wife is chaste, due to her

power,

> > jalandha cannot be killed even by shiva. jalandhara becomes

busy

> in

> > kailasa to get paravati and fight lord shiva.

> >

> > vishnu cast (maya) a bad dream for vrinda, the wife of

jalandhara

> > after which vrinda goes into the forest and find two monsters

> fleeing

> > from which she approaches a brahmin who kills these monsters

with

> a

> > mere sound. then vrinda asks this brahmin to let her know the

> status

> > of jalandhara who had gone to fight shiva and this brahmin lets

> two

> > monkeys bring the deadbody of jalandhar in front. vrinda falls

at

> > the feet of this brahmin and prays to him to bring back

jalandhara

> to

> > life and lo, jalandhara (vishnu in disguise) wakes up and

embraces

> > vrinda and have sex only after which she realizes that it was

> vishnu

> > and not jalandhara and curses vishnu to take a human shape and

> then

> > his wife would be distracted by two rakshasas, the same two

> monsters

> > who made vrinda to approach this deceitful brahmin. like this

> > brahmin, a demon in disguise as a brahmin approaches your wife

and

> > abducts her. like me, you would also search for your wife in

> > jungles. since you used monkeys to bring a false deadbody of

my

> > husband, you would not find your wife without taking the help

of

> real

> > monkeys. after giving these curses, the chaste vrinda enters

into

> a

> > fire and attains salvation.

> >

> > from the above, it is clear that vishnu took a human shape only

> due

> > to the curse of vrinda and his search in jungles, deceit by the

> > rakshasas, his wife taken away by another person, taking the

help

> of

> > monkeys is all due to the curse of vrinda, a pativrata. these

> > stories also highlight the power of a chaste woman by

signifying

> that

> > even if the husband of a chaste woman is bad, he would become

> > invincible due to the power of his wife.

> >

> > since these stories find mention in various puranas,

astrologers

> who

> > prepared the chart of rama based on the details given in

valmiki

> > ramayana, may find out how these curses are reflected in his

chart.

> >

> > with best wishes and blessings

> > pandit arjun

> > www.rudraksharemedy.com

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with

 

> Search.

> >

> >

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dear bhaskarji

 

the succinct story mentioned by me is given in a more detailed

comprehensive manner in various puranas published by the most

trustworthy and respected publishers. you would find this story in

its original fashion in the following books which you may kinldy

refer to verify, authenticate and validate:

 

1. The Siva Purana, Four Volumes published by Motilalbanarsidas. In

the second volume, page 904 is under chapter titled " outraging the

modesty of vrinda " you would find this story. this comes under rudra

samhita, yuddhakhanda, section v in all shivpurans publsihed anywhere

in the world.

 

2. Shri Shiva Mahapurnam published by Chaukhamba Sanskrut

Pratisthan. under dwitiya samhita called rudra samhita, panchama

adhyaya, 23rd chapter, page 739 narrates this story in detail. in

this book you would find both sanskrit verses and hindi translations

for your easy understanding.

 

let me also explain that i dont copy and paste any story from the

web. i read these puranas after buying them physically costing

thousands of rupees and read all sanskrit, hindi and english versions

and write in the mails on my own. hence i would be thankful to

members like you who ask references or sources of these stories i

write so that you can safely assume that whatever i say is

corroborated scripturally.

 

as regards other points which you agreed, we all shall help the

natives do good karmas and advise good things rather than merely

knowing the predictions.

 

with best wishes and blessings

pandit arjun

www.rudraksharemedy.com

 

 

, " Bhaskar "

<bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

>

>

> Shri Panditji,

>

> Pranams.

> With due respects to your seniority,

> and Knowledge .

>

> To highlight the power of chastity in a women,

> we need not raise a cock and bull story, which

> cannot be verified, or may have been inserted

> in the places from wher you have picked it, by

> a Tamasic directed mind,.

>

> I do not believe Lord Vishnu in any form could

> outrage the modesty of a Lady, due to any

> reason.

>

> If You had to highlight this point, then please

> use examples of Mandodari, or Dhruvs Mother,

> or Prahlads mother, or Laxmans wife,

> and so many others in our Puranic literature.

>

> We need not use a unauthenticated unverificable

> negative to highlight a positive.

> There are 5-7 reasons given in the Books,

> one of them was mentioned by Shri Prashantji

> (Jay Vijay).,which reasons seem too proper and

> logical for the Incarnation of Lord Vishnu as King

> Shri Rama. And do not forget the curse received by

> Lord Dashratha in hus youth when he

> killed a old blind person drinking water by

> mistake, which also is the reason for Lord ramas

> exile.

>

> By the way forget chastity, if in todays world

> women knew how to speak to their husbands,

> then 80% of the homes would have looked like

> mini heavens. This does not mean that

> husbands are spotless, but speed and money

> are the pivots of times today, and chastity takes

> back seat . So then whom are we addressing ?

>

> You also said prepare Lord Ramas chart as per

> Valmiki Ramayana. Here it is difficult to

> predict for ordinary human beings horoscope,

> then how could one think of commenting an

> avataars chart ?

>

> The rest of your points are well taken and

> accepted, including the main one.

>

> 1) Power of chastity can secure the husband

> from physical calamities as well as progress

> in after Life states.

>

> I agree that a mans Future stands on these factors-

>

> 1) firstly it is the accrual of good or bad karmas

> from the previous birth .

>

> 2) secondly the curses and blessings (boons)

> by parents, elders, righteous brahmins, sages,

> saints and gods have the power to completely

> change the future.

>

> 3) thirdly, with freewill and by penance, one

> can attain salvation, become enlightened and

> get freed from the karmic cycle.

>

> 4) fourthly, evil eye or black magic is something

> which is done by enemies and others and the victim

> is ignorant and cant do anything .

>

> I also agree your statement that -

> the natives must not focus more on knowing the predictive

> part of astrology but shall rather be interested in solving their

> problems and get relief from their sufferings through divine

> holy remedies as mentioned in the puranas.

>

> I have just given my views, as you have

> given yours, so nothing to be taken personally.

>

> Yours affectionately,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

, " panditarjun2004 "

> <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> >

> > dear prashantji

> >

> > to answer your question, chastity is not meant only for women and

> it

> > applies to both men and women. all these stories highlight how a

> > chaste woman was powerful enough to give curses to gods and how

an

> > unchaste husband even if he is a god, earned curses and suffered

> > hardships.

> >

> > the underlying lesson one must learn from these mythological

> stories

> > from our puranas is that a man's future is not decided squarely

by

> > astrology alone and there are various other factors which can

> change

> > the course of the future.

> >

> > firstly it is the accrual of good or bad karmas from the previous

> > birth. then the fresh good and bad karmas done in this birth

> would

> > negate or aggravate the previous bad karma results. simply put,

> the

> > karma theory catches up and hence one shall always strive to do

> only

> > good karmas.

> >

> > secondly the curses and blessings (boons) by parents, elders,

> > righteous brahmins, sages, saints and gods have the power to

> > completely change the future which is evident from various

stories

> > narrated in the puranas.

> >

> > thirdly, with freewill and by penance, one can attain salvation,

> > become enlightened and get freed from the karmic cycle.

> >

> > fourthly, evil eye or black magic is something which is done by

> > enemies and others and the victim is ignorant and cant do

anything

> as

> > it is known only after these acts are done.

> >

> > hence, my humble submission is that the natives must not focus

> more

> > on knowing the predictive part of astrology but shall rather be

> > interested in solving their problems and get relief from their

> > sufferings through divine holy remedies as mentioned in the

> puranas.

> >

> > with best wishes and blessings

> > pandit arjun

> > www.rudraksharemedy.com

> >

> > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > dear arjunji

> > >

> > > this is a very informative post and sure has a lot of food for

> > thought apart from what ramayana , vishnu puranas says also must

> be

> > taken into perspective as listed by you.

> > >

> > > and sicne the scheme of the rakshas-Jaya, Vijaya the dwara

> palakas

> > of Vaikunta [vishnu's base] taking 3 lives by the curse of Druva

> for

> > not allowing him a darshanduring a private time of the Lord.

> > >

> > > this chapter of Jalandhara, Vrinda etc r also part of the total

> > picture

> > >

> > > the other side is more important I mean the last line where u

> said

> > if one is a evil person also the virtue by chastity of him can

> save

> > the evil man, this has more examples in ramayana itself in

> Ravana's

> > wife [who was also Vali's wife-but still a Pativrata, Indrajit's

> > wife's prayers as a pativratha also helped both of them in their

> > toughest moments which were similarly distracted by the devatas

to

> > finally end their chapters [lives of evil men]

> > >

> > > I WANT TO MAKE MY STAND clear here [least it be taken from a

> male

> > chauvinists angle]

> > >

> > > that is chastity limited to WOMEN? it is a yes and no

> > >

> > > know from the above examples how these evil men's wiveshave

> prayed

> > to protect their husbands lives, these people were good to many

> but

> > bad to some in a big way.

> > >

> > > is chastity limited to women?

> > >

> > > YES in the sense that all FEMALE species have limited sexual

> life

> > compared to males

> > >

> > > be it cows, whales, elephants or wild animals apart from human

> > beings as nature has made female species the real care givers

> with

> > more energy, patience forgiveness, time to nurture, protect and

> care

> > for the young and old members of the species. though in all cases

> we

> > do see male species take care

> > >

> > > there are times when we see cats being fed by dogs etc but

these

> r

> > rare so the mechanism to care is natural to women/female

species

> > and as long as their energy is not diluted they are far stronger

> than

> > men [even the so called bad/evil men as it is the goodness of

> their

> > wives that keep their lamp of life glowing

> > >

> > > I have always addressed women's issues with more attention in

> any

> > group as said they r the real care givers if they r happy so will

> the

> > rest of the society around them, today their challenges are a lot

> more

> > > apart from care they do lend financial strength to families and

> > where even sons have deserted parents they have stood solidly

> behind

> > them it is a natural trait for caring by women

> > >

> > > if some sons have deserted their parents it is some weak womens

> > role too

> > >

> > > but some day they will get back to their roots and be fine.so

> > guiding such people is also important and here too may be curses

> of

> > previous lives to suffer may be part of it and the characters

> there r

> > just players in natures games or stage [drama] what we see and

> suffer

> > or enjoy is part of such a scheme

> > >

> > > arjunji a great post anyway

> > >

> > > Best wishes

> > >

> > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@>

> > wrote: dear friends

> > >

> > > many people wonder as to why king rama suffered various

> hardships

> > > like fourteen years of secluded life in jungles (equivalent to

> > life

> > > imprisonment under present Indian law) and separation from

wife

> > and

> > > children etc. several astrologers tried to cast king rama's

> chart

> > > based on the descriptions given in valmiki Ramayana and find

> out

> > > astrological reasons for his troubles but astrologically his

> chart

> > is

> > > the best one could imagine.

> > >

> > > The only reason for the sufferings of king rama or lord rama

in

> > human

> > > form (a reincarnation of lord Vishnu) is due to the curse

> received

> > by

> > > lord Vishnu from pativratas (chaste women) for outraging their

> > > modesties by deceit.

> > >

> > > once upon a time brihaspati (jupiter) and indra (king of

> devatas)

> > > visited kailasha to meet lord shiva and to test them, shiva

> > appeared

> > > in the form of a digambara and not realizing it, indra tries

to

> > kill

> > > him with his thunderbolt due to which lord shiva gets furiated

> and

> > > releases fire from his third eye. realizing the anger of lord

> > shiva,

> > > jupiter makes indra fall at the feet of shiva and prays to

lord

> > shiva

> > > to shower mercy and spare indra after which lord shiva lets

the

> > fire

> > > released from his third eye thrown into the salt ocean

> > (lavanambodhi)

> > > and this fire that has fallen into this ocean takes the form

of

> a

> > boy

> > > called jalandhara. since jupiter helped indra get his life

> back,

> > > lord shiva grants the name of jeeva (enlivener) to jupiter.

> later

> > > realizing the strength of jalandhara, brahma blesses him to

> become

> > > the emperor of asuras and asks sukra (venus) to coronate and

> later

> > > performs jalandhara's marriage with vrinda, the daughter of

> > > kalanemi. seeing the headless rahu, jalandhara finds out the

> > reason

> > > for rahu's headlessness and decides to fight with vishnu. in

> the

> > > battle, sukra used to bring back the dead asuras to life with

> his

> > > mritasanjivini vidya and jupiter used to bring back the dead

> > devatas

> > > to life with rarest herbs found only in drona mountain.

> knowing

> > > this, jalandhara uproots the drona mountain and throws into

the

> > > ocean. (drona mountain is now in the almora district of

> kumaon).

> > >

> > > jalandhara fights battle with vishnu and make vishnu and his

> > family

> > > live in jalandhara's house and conquers all the three worlds.

> > vishnu

> > > could not win the battle since jalandhara is born out of lord

> > shiva.

> > > then sage narada hatches a plot and tells jalandhara to go and

> get

> > > parvati who is the most beautiful woman in the world. narada

> also

> > > tells that once even brahma fell to the beauty of parvati but

> was

> > > cursed by siva which was a different story. then jalandhara

> goes

> > to

> > > manasasarovar and find parvati who gets vanished after spotted

> by

> > > jalandhara and asks Vishnu to outrage the modesty of

> jalandhara's

> > > wife saying that as long as his wife is chaste, due to her

> power,

> > > jalandha cannot be killed even by shiva. jalandhara becomes

> busy

> > in

> > > kailasa to get paravati and fight lord shiva.

> > >

> > > vishnu cast (maya) a bad dream for vrinda, the wife of

> jalandhara

> > > after which vrinda goes into the forest and find two monsters

> > fleeing

> > > from which she approaches a brahmin who kills these monsters

> with

> > a

> > > mere sound. then vrinda asks this brahmin to let her know the

> > status

> > > of jalandhara who had gone to fight shiva and this brahmin

lets

> > two

> > > monkeys bring the deadbody of jalandhar in front. vrinda

falls

> at

> > > the feet of this brahmin and prays to him to bring back

> jalandhara

> > to

> > > life and lo, jalandhara (vishnu in disguise) wakes up and

> embraces

> > > vrinda and have sex only after which she realizes that it was

> > vishnu

> > > and not jalandhara and curses vishnu to take a human shape and

> > then

> > > his wife would be distracted by two rakshasas, the same two

> > monsters

> > > who made vrinda to approach this deceitful brahmin. like this

> > > brahmin, a demon in disguise as a brahmin approaches your wife

> and

> > > abducts her. like me, you would also search for your wife in

> > > jungles. since you used monkeys to bring a false deadbody of

> my

> > > husband, you would not find your wife without taking the help

> of

> > real

> > > monkeys. after giving these curses, the chaste vrinda enters

> into

> > a

> > > fire and attains salvation.

> > >

> > > from the above, it is clear that vishnu took a human shape

only

> > due

> > > to the curse of vrinda and his search in jungles, deceit by

the

> > > rakshasas, his wife taken away by another person, taking the

> help

> > of

> > > monkeys is all due to the curse of vrinda, a pativrata. these

> > > stories also highlight the power of a chaste woman by

> signifying

> > that

> > > even if the husband of a chaste woman is bad, he would become

> > > invincible due to the power of his wife.

> > >

> > > since these stories find mention in various puranas,

> astrologers

> > who

> > > prepared the chart of rama based on the details given in

> valmiki

> > > ramayana, may find out how these curses are reflected in his

> chart.

> > >

> > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > pandit arjun

> > > www.rudraksharemedy.com

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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> > Search.

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Shri Panditji,

 

Thanks. As expected I knew you would point out

to the sources. I do not wish to comment on

Motilalbanarsidas. My association with them

is lasting for last 25 years or so.

 

By : " unauthenticated unverificable "

I do not mean, about written texts.

I mean " who knows the truth

actually ? How many of us have Yogic

perception to go behind in time and view the

incidents as could have actuallty taken place ? "

 

I would have been happier had you taken some

other example.

 

But good to see you on the Forum.

This completes the family picture.

 

affectionately,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " panditarjun2004 "

<panditarjun2004 wrote:

>

> dear bhaskarji

>

> the succinct story mentioned by me is given in a more detailed

> comprehensive manner in various puranas published by the most

> trustworthy and respected publishers. you would find this story

in

> its original fashion in the following books which you may kinldy

> refer to verify, authenticate and validate:

>

> 1. The Siva Purana, Four Volumes published by Motilalbanarsidas.

In

> the second volume, page 904 is under chapter titled " outraging the

> modesty of vrinda " you would find this story. this comes under

rudra

> samhita, yuddhakhanda, section v in all shivpurans publsihed

anywhere

> in the world.

>

> 2. Shri Shiva Mahapurnam published by Chaukhamba Sanskrut

> Pratisthan. under dwitiya samhita called rudra samhita, panchama

> adhyaya, 23rd chapter, page 739 narrates this story in detail. in

> this book you would find both sanskrit verses and hindi

translations

> for your easy understanding.

>

> let me also explain that i dont copy and paste any story from the

> web. i read these puranas after buying them physically costing

> thousands of rupees and read all sanskrit, hindi and english

versions

> and write in the mails on my own. hence i would be thankful to

> members like you who ask references or sources of these stories i

> write so that you can safely assume that whatever i say is

> corroborated scripturally.

>

> as regards other points which you agreed, we all shall help the

> natives do good karmas and advise good things rather than merely

> knowing the predictions.

>

> with best wishes and blessings

> pandit arjun

> www.rudraksharemedy.com

>

>

> , " Bhaskar "

> <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Shri Panditji,

> >

> > Pranams.

> > With due respects to your seniority,

> > and Knowledge .

> >

> > To highlight the power of chastity in a women,

> > we need not raise a cock and bull story, which

> > cannot be verified, or may have been inserted

> > in the places from wher you have picked it, by

> > a Tamasic directed mind,.

> >

> > I do not believe Lord Vishnu in any form could

> > outrage the modesty of a Lady, due to any

> > reason.

> >

> > If You had to highlight this point, then please

> > use examples of Mandodari, or Dhruvs Mother,

> > or Prahlads mother, or Laxmans wife,

> > and so many others in our Puranic literature.

> >

> > We need not use a unauthenticated unverificable

> > negative to highlight a positive.

> > There are 5-7 reasons given in the Books,

> > one of them was mentioned by Shri Prashantji

> > (Jay Vijay).,which reasons seem too proper and

> > logical for the Incarnation of Lord Vishnu as King

> > Shri Rama. And do not forget the curse received by

> > Lord Dashratha in hus youth when he

> > killed a old blind person drinking water by

> > mistake, which also is the reason for Lord ramas

> > exile.

> >

> > By the way forget chastity, if in todays world

> > women knew how to speak to their husbands,

> > then 80% of the homes would have looked like

> > mini heavens. This does not mean that

> > husbands are spotless, but speed and money

> > are the pivots of times today, and chastity takes

> > back seat . So then whom are we addressing ?

> >

> > You also said prepare Lord Ramas chart as per

> > Valmiki Ramayana. Here it is difficult to

> > predict for ordinary human beings horoscope,

> > then how could one think of commenting an

> > avataars chart ?

> >

> > The rest of your points are well taken and

> > accepted, including the main one.

> >

> > 1) Power of chastity can secure the husband

> > from physical calamities as well as progress

> > in after Life states.

> >

> > I agree that a mans Future stands on these factors-

> >

> > 1) firstly it is the accrual of good or bad karmas

> > from the previous birth .

> >

> > 2) secondly the curses and blessings (boons)

> > by parents, elders, righteous brahmins, sages,

> > saints and gods have the power to completely

> > change the future.

> >

> > 3) thirdly, with freewill and by penance, one

> > can attain salvation, become enlightened and

> > get freed from the karmic cycle.

> >

> > 4) fourthly, evil eye or black magic is something

> > which is done by enemies and others and the victim

> > is ignorant and cant do anything .

> >

> > I also agree your statement that -

> > the natives must not focus more on knowing the predictive

> > part of astrology but shall rather be interested in solving their

> > problems and get relief from their sufferings through divine

> > holy remedies as mentioned in the puranas.

> >

> > I have just given my views, as you have

> > given yours, so nothing to be taken personally.

> >

> > Yours affectionately,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " panditarjun2004 "

> > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > >

> > > dear prashantji

> > >

> > > to answer your question, chastity is not meant only for women

and

> > it

> > > applies to both men and women. all these stories highlight

how a

> > > chaste woman was powerful enough to give curses to gods and

how

> an

> > > unchaste husband even if he is a god, earned curses and

suffered

> > > hardships.

> > >

> > > the underlying lesson one must learn from these mythological

> > stories

> > > from our puranas is that a man's future is not decided

squarely

> by

> > > astrology alone and there are various other factors which can

> > change

> > > the course of the future.

> > >

> > > firstly it is the accrual of good or bad karmas from the

previous

> > > birth. then the fresh good and bad karmas done in this birth

> > would

> > > negate or aggravate the previous bad karma results. simply

put,

> > the

> > > karma theory catches up and hence one shall always strive to

do

> > only

> > > good karmas.

> > >

> > > secondly the curses and blessings (boons) by parents, elders,

> > > righteous brahmins, sages, saints and gods have the power to

> > > completely change the future which is evident from various

> stories

> > > narrated in the puranas.

> > >

> > > thirdly, with freewill and by penance, one can attain

salvation,

> > > become enlightened and get freed from the karmic cycle.

> > >

> > > fourthly, evil eye or black magic is something which is done

by

> > > enemies and others and the victim is ignorant and cant do

> anything

> > as

> > > it is known only after these acts are done.

> > >

> > > hence, my humble submission is that the natives must not focus

> > more

> > > on knowing the predictive part of astrology but shall rather

be

> > > interested in solving their problems and get relief from their

> > > sufferings through divine holy remedies as mentioned in the

> > puranas.

> > >

> > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > pandit arjun

> > > www.rudraksharemedy.com

> > >

> > > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > dear arjunji

> > > >

> > > > this is a very informative post and sure has a lot of food

for

> > > thought apart from what ramayana , vishnu puranas says also

must

> > be

> > > taken into perspective as listed by you.

> > > >

> > > > and sicne the scheme of the rakshas-Jaya, Vijaya the dwara

> > palakas

> > > of Vaikunta [vishnu's base] taking 3 lives by the curse of

Druva

> > for

> > > not allowing him a darshanduring a private time of the Lord.

> > > >

> > > > this chapter of Jalandhara, Vrinda etc r also part of the

total

> > > picture

> > > >

> > > > the other side is more important I mean the last line where

u

> > said

> > > if one is a evil person also the virtue by chastity of him can

> > save

> > > the evil man, this has more examples in ramayana itself in

> > Ravana's

> > > wife [who was also Vali's wife-but still a Pativrata,

Indrajit's

> > > wife's prayers as a pativratha also helped both of them in

their

> > > toughest moments which were similarly distracted by the

devatas

> to

> > > finally end their chapters [lives of evil men]

> > > >

> > > > I WANT TO MAKE MY STAND clear here [least it be taken from a

> > male

> > > chauvinists angle]

> > > >

> > > > that is chastity limited to WOMEN? it is a yes and no

> > > >

> > > > know from the above examples how these evil men's wiveshave

> > prayed

> > > to protect their husbands lives, these people were good to

many

> > but

> > > bad to some in a big way.

> > > >

> > > > is chastity limited to women?

> > > >

> > > > YES in the sense that all FEMALE species have limited sexual

> > life

> > > compared to males

> > > >

> > > > be it cows, whales, elephants or wild animals apart from

human

> > > beings as nature has made female species the real care givers

> > with

> > > more energy, patience forgiveness, time to nurture, protect

and

> > care

> > > for the young and old members of the species. though in all

cases

> > we

> > > do see male species take care

> > > >

> > > > there are times when we see cats being fed by dogs etc but

> these

> > r

> > > rare so the mechanism to care is natural to women/female

> species

> > > and as long as their energy is not diluted they are far

stronger

> > than

> > > men [even the so called bad/evil men as it is the goodness of

> > their

> > > wives that keep their lamp of life glowing

> > > >

> > > > I have always addressed women's issues with more attention

in

> > any

> > > group as said they r the real care givers if they r happy so

will

> > the

> > > rest of the society around them, today their challenges are a

lot

> > more

> > > > apart from care they do lend financial strength to families

and

> > > where even sons have deserted parents they have stood solidly

> > behind

> > > them it is a natural trait for caring by women

> > > >

> > > > if some sons have deserted their parents it is some weak

womens

> > > role too

> > > >

> > > > but some day they will get back to their roots and be

fine.so

> > > guiding such people is also important and here too may be

curses

> > of

> > > previous lives to suffer may be part of it and the characters

> > there r

> > > just players in natures games or stage [drama] what we see and

> > suffer

> > > or enjoy is part of such a scheme

> > > >

> > > > arjunji a great post anyway

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes

> > > >

> > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@>

> > > wrote: dear friends

> > > >

> > > > many people wonder as to why king rama suffered various

> > hardships

> > > > like fourteen years of secluded life in jungles (equivalent

to

> > > life

> > > > imprisonment under present Indian law) and separation from

> wife

> > > and

> > > > children etc. several astrologers tried to cast king

rama's

> > chart

> > > > based on the descriptions given in valmiki Ramayana and

find

> > out

> > > > astrological reasons for his troubles but astrologically

his

> > chart

> > > is

> > > > the best one could imagine.

> > > >

> > > > The only reason for the sufferings of king rama or lord

rama

> in

> > > human

> > > > form (a reincarnation of lord Vishnu) is due to the curse

> > received

> > > by

> > > > lord Vishnu from pativratas (chaste women) for outraging

their

> > > > modesties by deceit.

> > > >

> > > > once upon a time brihaspati (jupiter) and indra (king of

> > devatas)

> > > > visited kailasha to meet lord shiva and to test them, shiva

> > > appeared

> > > > in the form of a digambara and not realizing it, indra

tries

> to

> > > kill

> > > > him with his thunderbolt due to which lord shiva gets

furiated

> > and

> > > > releases fire from his third eye. realizing the anger of

lord

> > > shiva,

> > > > jupiter makes indra fall at the feet of shiva and prays to

> lord

> > > shiva

> > > > to shower mercy and spare indra after which lord shiva lets

> the

> > > fire

> > > > released from his third eye thrown into the salt ocean

> > > (lavanambodhi)

> > > > and this fire that has fallen into this ocean takes the

form

> of

> > a

> > > boy

> > > > called jalandhara. since jupiter helped indra get his life

> > back,

> > > > lord shiva grants the name of jeeva (enlivener) to

jupiter.

> > later

> > > > realizing the strength of jalandhara, brahma blesses him to

> > become

> > > > the emperor of asuras and asks sukra (venus) to coronate

and

> > later

> > > > performs jalandhara's marriage with vrinda, the daughter of

> > > > kalanemi. seeing the headless rahu, jalandhara finds out

the

> > > reason

> > > > for rahu's headlessness and decides to fight with vishnu.

in

> > the

> > > > battle, sukra used to bring back the dead asuras to life

with

> > his

> > > > mritasanjivini vidya and jupiter used to bring back the

dead

> > > devatas

> > > > to life with rarest herbs found only in drona mountain.

> > knowing

> > > > this, jalandhara uproots the drona mountain and throws into

> the

> > > > ocean. (drona mountain is now in the almora district of

> > kumaon).

> > > >

> > > > jalandhara fights battle with vishnu and make vishnu and

his

> > > family

> > > > live in jalandhara's house and conquers all the three

worlds.

> > > vishnu

> > > > could not win the battle since jalandhara is born out of

lord

> > > shiva.

> > > > then sage narada hatches a plot and tells jalandhara to go

and

> > get

> > > > parvati who is the most beautiful woman in the world.

narada

> > also

> > > > tells that once even brahma fell to the beauty of parvati

but

> > was

> > > > cursed by siva which was a different story. then

jalandhara

> > goes

> > > to

> > > > manasasarovar and find parvati who gets vanished after

spotted

> > by

> > > > jalandhara and asks Vishnu to outrage the modesty of

> > jalandhara's

> > > > wife saying that as long as his wife is chaste, due to her

> > power,

> > > > jalandha cannot be killed even by shiva. jalandhara

becomes

> > busy

> > > in

> > > > kailasa to get paravati and fight lord shiva.

> > > >

> > > > vishnu cast (maya) a bad dream for vrinda, the wife of

> > jalandhara

> > > > after which vrinda goes into the forest and find two

monsters

> > > fleeing

> > > > from which she approaches a brahmin who kills these

monsters

> > with

> > > a

> > > > mere sound. then vrinda asks this brahmin to let her know

the

> > > status

> > > > of jalandhara who had gone to fight shiva and this brahmin

> lets

> > > two

> > > > monkeys bring the deadbody of jalandhar in front. vrinda

> falls

> > at

> > > > the feet of this brahmin and prays to him to bring back

> > jalandhara

> > > to

> > > > life and lo, jalandhara (vishnu in disguise) wakes up and

> > embraces

> > > > vrinda and have sex only after which she realizes that it

was

> > > vishnu

> > > > and not jalandhara and curses vishnu to take a human shape

and

> > > then

> > > > his wife would be distracted by two rakshasas, the same two

> > > monsters

> > > > who made vrinda to approach this deceitful brahmin. like

this

> > > > brahmin, a demon in disguise as a brahmin approaches your

wife

> > and

> > > > abducts her. like me, you would also search for your wife

in

> > > > jungles. since you used monkeys to bring a false deadbody

of

> > my

> > > > husband, you would not find your wife without taking the

help

> > of

> > > real

> > > > monkeys. after giving these curses, the chaste vrinda

enters

> > into

> > > a

> > > > fire and attains salvation.

> > > >

> > > > from the above, it is clear that vishnu took a human shape

> only

> > > due

> > > > to the curse of vrinda and his search in jungles, deceit by

> the

> > > > rakshasas, his wife taken away by another person, taking

the

> > help

> > > of

> > > > monkeys is all due to the curse of vrinda, a pativrata.

these

> > > > stories also highlight the power of a chaste woman by

> > signifying

> > > that

> > > > even if the husband of a chaste woman is bad, he would

become

> > > > invincible due to the power of his wife.

> > > >

> > > > since these stories find mention in various puranas,

> > astrologers

> > > who

> > > > prepared the chart of rama based on the details given in

> > valmiki

> > > > ramayana, may find out how these curses are reflected in

his

> > chart.

> > > >

> > > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > > pandit arjun

> > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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dear bhaskarji

 

hindu mythology is depicted more in these puranas and some say that

the medieval sages and authors have written these as they remembered

from their memories. even vedas were taught only by word of mouth

and were made available in writing only in this century. mythology

and history are both mixed in hindu culture and hence there is no

scientifically tenable verifiable way to prove what is right or wrong

except faith and belief.

 

hence we may stop this thread here as none of us can prove or

disprove mythological happenings that purportedly happened thousands

or lakhs of years ago.

 

with best wishes and blessings

pandit arjun

www.rudraksharemedy.com

 

 

, " Bhaskar "

<bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

>

>

> Shri Panditji,

>

> Thanks. As expected I knew you would point out

> to the sources. I do not wish to comment on

> Motilalbanarsidas. My association with them

> is lasting for last 25 years or so.

>

> By : " unauthenticated unverificable "

> I do not mean, about written texts.

> I mean " who knows the truth

> actually ? How many of us have Yogic

> perception to go behind in time and view the

> incidents as could have actuallty taken place ? "

>

> I would have been happier had you taken some

> other example.

>

> But good to see you on the Forum.

> This completes the family picture.

>

> affectionately,

> Bhaskar.

, " panditarjun2004 "

> <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> >

> > dear bhaskarji

> >

> > the succinct story mentioned by me is given in a more detailed

> > comprehensive manner in various puranas published by the most

> > trustworthy and respected publishers. you would find this story

> in

> > its original fashion in the following books which you may kinldy

> > refer to verify, authenticate and validate:

> >

> > 1. The Siva Purana, Four Volumes published by Motilalbanarsidas.

> In

> > the second volume, page 904 is under chapter titled " outraging

the

> > modesty of vrinda " you would find this story. this comes under

> rudra

> > samhita, yuddhakhanda, section v in all shivpurans publsihed

> anywhere

> > in the world.

> >

> > 2. Shri Shiva Mahapurnam published by Chaukhamba Sanskrut

> > Pratisthan. under dwitiya samhita called rudra samhita, panchama

> > adhyaya, 23rd chapter, page 739 narrates this story in detail.

in

> > this book you would find both sanskrit verses and hindi

> translations

> > for your easy understanding.

> >

> > let me also explain that i dont copy and paste any story from the

> > web. i read these puranas after buying them physically costing

> > thousands of rupees and read all sanskrit, hindi and english

> versions

> > and write in the mails on my own. hence i would be thankful to

> > members like you who ask references or sources of these stories i

> > write so that you can safely assume that whatever i say is

> > corroborated scripturally.

> >

> > as regards other points which you agreed, we all shall help the

> > natives do good karmas and advise good things rather than merely

> > knowing the predictions.

> >

> > with best wishes and blessings

> > pandit arjun

> > www.rudraksharemedy.com

> >

> >

> > , " Bhaskar "

> > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Shri Panditji,

> > >

> > > Pranams.

> > > With due respects to your seniority,

> > > and Knowledge .

> > >

> > > To highlight the power of chastity in a women,

> > > we need not raise a cock and bull story, which

> > > cannot be verified, or may have been inserted

> > > in the places from wher you have picked it, by

> > > a Tamasic directed mind,.

> > >

> > > I do not believe Lord Vishnu in any form could

> > > outrage the modesty of a Lady, due to any

> > > reason.

> > >

> > > If You had to highlight this point, then please

> > > use examples of Mandodari, or Dhruvs Mother,

> > > or Prahlads mother, or Laxmans wife,

> > > and so many others in our Puranic literature.

> > >

> > > We need not use a unauthenticated unverificable

> > > negative to highlight a positive.

> > > There are 5-7 reasons given in the Books,

> > > one of them was mentioned by Shri Prashantji

> > > (Jay Vijay).,which reasons seem too proper and

> > > logical for the Incarnation of Lord Vishnu as King

> > > Shri Rama. And do not forget the curse received by

> > > Lord Dashratha in hus youth when he

> > > killed a old blind person drinking water by

> > > mistake, which also is the reason for Lord ramas

> > > exile.

> > >

> > > By the way forget chastity, if in todays world

> > > women knew how to speak to their husbands,

> > > then 80% of the homes would have looked like

> > > mini heavens. This does not mean that

> > > husbands are spotless, but speed and money

> > > are the pivots of times today, and chastity takes

> > > back seat . So then whom are we addressing ?

> > >

> > > You also said prepare Lord Ramas chart as per

> > > Valmiki Ramayana. Here it is difficult to

> > > predict for ordinary human beings horoscope,

> > > then how could one think of commenting an

> > > avataars chart ?

> > >

> > > The rest of your points are well taken and

> > > accepted, including the main one.

> > >

> > > 1) Power of chastity can secure the husband

> > > from physical calamities as well as progress

> > > in after Life states.

> > >

> > > I agree that a mans Future stands on these factors-

> > >

> > > 1) firstly it is the accrual of good or bad karmas

> > > from the previous birth .

> > >

> > > 2) secondly the curses and blessings (boons)

> > > by parents, elders, righteous brahmins, sages,

> > > saints and gods have the power to completely

> > > change the future.

> > >

> > > 3) thirdly, with freewill and by penance, one

> > > can attain salvation, become enlightened and

> > > get freed from the karmic cycle.

> > >

> > > 4) fourthly, evil eye or black magic is something

> > > which is done by enemies and others and the victim

> > > is ignorant and cant do anything .

> > >

> > > I also agree your statement that -

> > > the natives must not focus more on knowing the predictive

> > > part of astrology but shall rather be interested in solving

their

> > > problems and get relief from their sufferings through divine

> > > holy remedies as mentioned in the puranas.

> > >

> > > I have just given my views, as you have

> > > given yours, so nothing to be taken personally.

> > >

> > > Yours affectionately,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " panditarjun2004 "

> > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > dear prashantji

> > > >

> > > > to answer your question, chastity is not meant only for women

> and

> > > it

> > > > applies to both men and women. all these stories highlight

> how a

> > > > chaste woman was powerful enough to give curses to gods and

> how

> > an

> > > > unchaste husband even if he is a god, earned curses and

> suffered

> > > > hardships.

> > > >

> > > > the underlying lesson one must learn from these mythological

> > > stories

> > > > from our puranas is that a man's future is not decided

> squarely

> > by

> > > > astrology alone and there are various other factors which can

> > > change

> > > > the course of the future.

> > > >

> > > > firstly it is the accrual of good or bad karmas from the

> previous

> > > > birth. then the fresh good and bad karmas done in this birth

> > > would

> > > > negate or aggravate the previous bad karma results. simply

> put,

> > > the

> > > > karma theory catches up and hence one shall always strive to

> do

> > > only

> > > > good karmas.

> > > >

> > > > secondly the curses and blessings (boons) by parents, elders,

> > > > righteous brahmins, sages, saints and gods have the power to

> > > > completely change the future which is evident from various

> > stories

> > > > narrated in the puranas.

> > > >

> > > > thirdly, with freewill and by penance, one can attain

> salvation,

> > > > become enlightened and get freed from the karmic cycle.

> > > >

> > > > fourthly, evil eye or black magic is something which is done

> by

> > > > enemies and others and the victim is ignorant and cant do

> > anything

> > > as

> > > > it is known only after these acts are done.

> > > >

> > > > hence, my humble submission is that the natives must not

focus

> > > more

> > > > on knowing the predictive part of astrology but shall rather

> be

> > > > interested in solving their problems and get relief from

their

> > > > sufferings through divine holy remedies as mentioned in the

> > > puranas.

> > > >

> > > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > > pandit arjun

> > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com

> > > >

> > > > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > dear arjunji

> > > > >

> > > > > this is a very informative post and sure has a lot of food

> for

> > > > thought apart from what ramayana , vishnu puranas says also

> must

> > > be

> > > > taken into perspective as listed by you.

> > > > >

> > > > > and sicne the scheme of the rakshas-Jaya, Vijaya the dwara

> > > palakas

> > > > of Vaikunta [vishnu's base] taking 3 lives by the curse of

> Druva

> > > for

> > > > not allowing him a darshanduring a private time of the Lord.

> > > > >

> > > > > this chapter of Jalandhara, Vrinda etc r also part of the

> total

> > > > picture

> > > > >

> > > > > the other side is more important I mean the last line where

> u

> > > said

> > > > if one is a evil person also the virtue by chastity of him

can

> > > save

> > > > the evil man, this has more examples in ramayana itself in

> > > Ravana's

> > > > wife [who was also Vali's wife-but still a Pativrata,

> Indrajit's

> > > > wife's prayers as a pativratha also helped both of them in

> their

> > > > toughest moments which were similarly distracted by the

> devatas

> > to

> > > > finally end their chapters [lives of evil men]

> > > > >

> > > > > I WANT TO MAKE MY STAND clear here [least it be taken from

a

> > > male

> > > > chauvinists angle]

> > > > >

> > > > > that is chastity limited to WOMEN? it is a yes and no

> > > > >

> > > > > know from the above examples how these evil men's wiveshave

> > > prayed

> > > > to protect their husbands lives, these people were good to

> many

> > > but

> > > > bad to some in a big way.

> > > > >

> > > > > is chastity limited to women?

> > > > >

> > > > > YES in the sense that all FEMALE species have limited

sexual

> > > life

> > > > compared to males

> > > > >

> > > > > be it cows, whales, elephants or wild animals apart from

> human

> > > > beings as nature has made female species the real care givers

> > > with

> > > > more energy, patience forgiveness, time to nurture, protect

> and

> > > care

> > > > for the young and old members of the species. though in all

> cases

> > > we

> > > > do see male species take care

> > > > >

> > > > > there are times when we see cats being fed by dogs etc but

> > these

> > > r

> > > > rare so the mechanism to care is natural to women/female

> > species

> > > > and as long as their energy is not diluted they are far

> stronger

> > > than

> > > > men [even the so called bad/evil men as it is the goodness of

> > > their

> > > > wives that keep their lamp of life glowing

> > > > >

> > > > > I have always addressed women's issues with more attention

> in

> > > any

> > > > group as said they r the real care givers if they r happy so

> will

> > > the

> > > > rest of the society around them, today their challenges are a

> lot

> > > more

> > > > > apart from care they do lend financial strength to families

> and

> > > > where even sons have deserted parents they have stood solidly

> > > behind

> > > > them it is a natural trait for caring by women

> > > > >

> > > > > if some sons have deserted their parents it is some weak

> womens

> > > > role too

> > > > >

> > > > > but some day they will get back to their roots and be

> fine.so

> > > > guiding such people is also important and here too may be

> curses

> > > of

> > > > previous lives to suffer may be part of it and the characters

> > > there r

> > > > just players in natures games or stage [drama] what we see

and

> > > suffer

> > > > or enjoy is part of such a scheme

> > > > >

> > > > > arjunji a great post anyway

> > > > >

> > > > > Best wishes

> > > > >

> > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@>

> > > > wrote: dear friends

> > > > >

> > > > > many people wonder as to why king rama suffered various

> > > hardships

> > > > > like fourteen years of secluded life in jungles

(equivalent

> to

> > > > life

> > > > > imprisonment under present Indian law) and separation from

> > wife

> > > > and

> > > > > children etc. several astrologers tried to cast king

> rama's

> > > chart

> > > > > based on the descriptions given in valmiki Ramayana and

> find

> > > out

> > > > > astrological reasons for his troubles but astrologically

> his

> > > chart

> > > > is

> > > > > the best one could imagine.

> > > > >

> > > > > The only reason for the sufferings of king rama or lord

> rama

> > in

> > > > human

> > > > > form (a reincarnation of lord Vishnu) is due to the curse

> > > received

> > > > by

> > > > > lord Vishnu from pativratas (chaste women) for outraging

> their

> > > > > modesties by deceit.

> > > > >

> > > > > once upon a time brihaspati (jupiter) and indra (king of

> > > devatas)

> > > > > visited kailasha to meet lord shiva and to test them,

shiva

> > > > appeared

> > > > > in the form of a digambara and not realizing it, indra

> tries

> > to

> > > > kill

> > > > > him with his thunderbolt due to which lord shiva gets

> furiated

> > > and

> > > > > releases fire from his third eye. realizing the anger of

> lord

> > > > shiva,

> > > > > jupiter makes indra fall at the feet of shiva and prays to

> > lord

> > > > shiva

> > > > > to shower mercy and spare indra after which lord shiva

lets

> > the

> > > > fire

> > > > > released from his third eye thrown into the salt ocean

> > > > (lavanambodhi)

> > > > > and this fire that has fallen into this ocean takes the

> form

> > of

> > > a

> > > > boy

> > > > > called jalandhara. since jupiter helped indra get his

life

> > > back,

> > > > > lord shiva grants the name of jeeva (enlivener) to

> jupiter.

> > > later

> > > > > realizing the strength of jalandhara, brahma blesses him

to

> > > become

> > > > > the emperor of asuras and asks sukra (venus) to coronate

> and

> > > later

> > > > > performs jalandhara's marriage with vrinda, the daughter

of

> > > > > kalanemi. seeing the headless rahu, jalandhara finds out

> the

> > > > reason

> > > > > for rahu's headlessness and decides to fight with vishnu.

> in

> > > the

> > > > > battle, sukra used to bring back the dead asuras to life

> with

> > > his

> > > > > mritasanjivini vidya and jupiter used to bring back the

> dead

> > > > devatas

> > > > > to life with rarest herbs found only in drona mountain.

> > > knowing

> > > > > this, jalandhara uproots the drona mountain and throws

into

> > the

> > > > > ocean. (drona mountain is now in the almora district of

> > > kumaon).

> > > > >

> > > > > jalandhara fights battle with vishnu and make vishnu and

> his

> > > > family

> > > > > live in jalandhara's house and conquers all the three

> worlds.

> > > > vishnu

> > > > > could not win the battle since jalandhara is born out of

> lord

> > > > shiva.

> > > > > then sage narada hatches a plot and tells jalandhara to go

> and

> > > get

> > > > > parvati who is the most beautiful woman in the world.

> narada

> > > also

> > > > > tells that once even brahma fell to the beauty of parvati

> but

> > > was

> > > > > cursed by siva which was a different story. then

> jalandhara

> > > goes

> > > > to

> > > > > manasasarovar and find parvati who gets vanished after

> spotted

> > > by

> > > > > jalandhara and asks Vishnu to outrage the modesty of

> > > jalandhara's

> > > > > wife saying that as long as his wife is chaste, due to her

> > > power,

> > > > > jalandha cannot be killed even by shiva. jalandhara

> becomes

> > > busy

> > > > in

> > > > > kailasa to get paravati and fight lord shiva.

> > > > >

> > > > > vishnu cast (maya) a bad dream for vrinda, the wife of

> > > jalandhara

> > > > > after which vrinda goes into the forest and find two

> monsters

> > > > fleeing

> > > > > from which she approaches a brahmin who kills these

> monsters

> > > with

> > > > a

> > > > > mere sound. then vrinda asks this brahmin to let her know

> the

> > > > status

> > > > > of jalandhara who had gone to fight shiva and this brahmin

> > lets

> > > > two

> > > > > monkeys bring the deadbody of jalandhar in front. vrinda

> > falls

> > > at

> > > > > the feet of this brahmin and prays to him to bring back

> > > jalandhara

> > > > to

> > > > > life and lo, jalandhara (vishnu in disguise) wakes up and

> > > embraces

> > > > > vrinda and have sex only after which she realizes that it

> was

> > > > vishnu

> > > > > and not jalandhara and curses vishnu to take a human shape

> and

> > > > then

> > > > > his wife would be distracted by two rakshasas, the same

two

> > > > monsters

> > > > > who made vrinda to approach this deceitful brahmin. like

> this

> > > > > brahmin, a demon in disguise as a brahmin approaches your

> wife

> > > and

> > > > > abducts her. like me, you would also search for your wife

> in

> > > > > jungles. since you used monkeys to bring a false deadbody

> of

> > > my

> > > > > husband, you would not find your wife without taking the

> help

> > > of

> > > > real

> > > > > monkeys. after giving these curses, the chaste vrinda

> enters

> > > into

> > > > a

> > > > > fire and attains salvation.

> > > > >

> > > > > from the above, it is clear that vishnu took a human shape

> > only

> > > > due

> > > > > to the curse of vrinda and his search in jungles, deceit

by

> > the

> > > > > rakshasas, his wife taken away by another person, taking

> the

> > > help

> > > > of

> > > > > monkeys is all due to the curse of vrinda, a pativrata.

> these

> > > > > stories also highlight the power of a chaste woman by

> > > signifying

> > > > that

> > > > > even if the husband of a chaste woman is bad, he would

> become

> > > > > invincible due to the power of his wife.

> > > > >

> > > > > since these stories find mention in various puranas,

> > > astrologers

> > > > who

> > > > > prepared the chart of rama based on the details given in

> > > valmiki

> > > > > ramayana, may find out how these curses are reflected in

> his

> > > chart.

> > > > >

> > > > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > > > pandit arjun

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