Ms. Benazir Bhutto assasination ...Based on Sri BV Raman's data

[Guest guest]

I must thank Mr. Astro Imran from Pakistan for the details.

I am cross posting but it is important here in this context.

 

 

 

Dear Mr.Imran,

 

Once again I thank you for providing the info .

 

I checked Ms. Benazir Bhutto's chart using chart and birth details as

endorsed by none other than Legendary Sri B.V Raman and also endorsed

by Cyrus Abayakoon who I hold in greatest esteem.

 

I checked up the sad event on 27th December 2007 using my Rahu

centric method to find out if this chartand birth data as given by

Sri Raman is correct or not.My findings clearly indicate a sudden and

violent death.

 

I used the following data as used by sri Raman.

Sunday,June 21, 1953 at 7:43pm (4:30 East of GMT), Karachi. This

June 21,1953 yields

Sagittarius ascendant and Chitra-3 nakshatra, as per Lahiri

Ayanamsa. Aforesaid

birth detail is endorsed by the writings and write-ups of B.V.

Raman,

 

If I take Dhanur lagna as correct lagna, (I am using Lahiri

Ayanamsha).

To find out longevity, I re orient the chart to bring R1 as KL or

Kaal Lagna.This will make it as Makar Lagna(KL)

 

Rahu in asc, Sukra in 4th, Guru in 5th, Sun and Mars in 6th, Ketu and

Budha in 7th,Vakri Sani in 9th and Moon in 10th.

 

She was running Sani-guru-sani-guru-sani at the time of her

Assasination.

 

This is not only remarkable but breathtaking.

 

Because, Sani is lord of KL lagna as well as 2nd.Sani assumes Maraka

powers because he is aspected by Ultimate killer Guru who is the

Kaalanta 12th house lord who is also the lord of the 3rd house.She

was running Guru bhukti in Sani dasa.

 

Same Sani is fully aspected by Mars who is asociated with the 8th

lord sun in 6th.Please mark that the Guru who is in 5th, is also

aspecting Lagna. Even Mars is aspecting her Lagna.

No wonder she was a marked person almost all throughout her Sani dasa

which ultimately killed her.

 

Coming back to her dasa period right up to her PAD, she was running

only Sani and Guru periods.Guru in her chart indicates religious

fundamentalists.How could she escape death?

 

I know that my posting may raise some eyebrows but I would throw my

lot with Sri B.V Raman's data.

 

Tatvam-Asi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology , " M. Imran " <astroimran

wrote:

>

>

>

> Benazir Bhutto: search of

> correct natal chart

>

>

>

>

> Benazir Bhutto is not

> the only celebrity about whom multiple birth charts are claimed. I

have

> confronted various references of her birth details. The first one

is Sunday,

> June 21, 1953 at 7:43pm (4:30 East of GMT), Karachi. This June 21,

1953 yields

> Sagittarius ascendant and Chitra-3 nakshatra, as per Lahiri

Ayanamsa. Aforesaid

> birth detail is endorsed by the writings and write-ups of B.V.

Raman, Cyrus

> T.F. Abayakoon, J.C. Luthra, P.A. Patel, Samad Hussain Rizvi, Rafat

Shaikh and many

> others. On the other hand, there are some astrologers who either

have rectified

> the birth time or time zone, to arrive at Scorpio lagna. But it

should be borne

> in mind that Pakistan Standard Time (PST) was 4 hours 30 minute

ahead of GMT

> from September 1, 1951 to April 30, 1954. Before September 1, 1951,

Pakistan and

> Indian Standard Time were identical. And it is only from midnight

of May 1,

> 1954, Government of Pakistan enforced time zone 5:00 east of GMT,

that is in

> practice to date.

>

>

>

>

>

> Now there is another significant reference provided by K. N.

> Rao. He holds that Natwar Singh drawn Benazir¢s horoscope when she

was staying

> in London and

> consulted him. K. N. Rao and his students follow Benazir Bhutto¢s

birth

> details: June 23, 1953, 4:30pm Karachi

> as given by Natwar Singh, that yields ascendant 24Libra25. But when

we recast

> the chart we find 7*28¢ Scorpio as ascendant, instead of Libra.

Why? Because

> either Natwar Singh or K. N. Rao¢s students mistakenly assumed

Pakistan¢s time

> zone as +5:30 GMT. Hence to arrive at

> 24*25¢ Libra ascendant of Benazir, as claimed by K. N. Rao, we have

to take her

> birth time 3:30pm Karachi (with correct time zone 4:30 East of

GMT). Besides

> time zone confusion, another thing (though trivia) is that Benazir

herself used

> to wear yellow coloured stone (probably Topaz) not only in her

index finger but

> also in her neck. This selection and usage of stone may go in

favour of

> Sagittarius lagna. But even I took K.N. Rao¢s Libra lagna for

Benazir, seriously

> by correcting time zone.

>

>

>

>

>

> Apart from discussed above horoscopes, there is another

> birth chart of Benazir Bhutto, though somewhat maverick. It is June

21, 1952 (exact

> time unknown but it is afternoon) that gives Libra ascendant and

Taurus Moon. It

> may be possible but difficult to believe that 1952 is year of birth

of Benazir

> as her father Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto married Begum Nusrat Bhutto on

September 8,

> 1951. Secondly, I did not find any authentic source that attests

this deviant

> date of birth. Hence paying much attention to this claim without

reliable

> source may be misleading.

>

>

>

>

>

> But one thing is clear that most of the Scorpio rising

> charts associated to Benazir Bhutto, are result of misunderstand

about little

> known history of Pakistan Standard Time. However, it coincidently

testifies

> violent death; on account of Scorpio lagna lord Mars being in 8th.

But when you

> compare rest of the life events with any Scorpio rising chart, you

would

> conclude against it.

>

>

>

>

>

> Now, we have left with two claims: 21-June-1953 Sagittarius

> Ascendant and 23-June-1953 Libra Ascendant. There are many ways to

reach at correct

> chart. Most of the people rely on the chart that can easily justify

her

> assassination. But in my humble opinion, comparing significant life

events with

> vimshottari dasha may prove an acid test. I have collected over two

dozen

> important events in the life of Benazir Bhutto and match them with

> corresponding Maha, Antar and Pratyantar Dashas running at that

time.

>

> For table of comparison, see FILES section of the

> sohamsa

> vedic astrology

> OR

> http://f1.grp.fs.com/v1/UJZ3R1pBMYF9QlD-

YlAyyrsDTZQOAmZJZHoQ3nc84Cn0tPffTkmVTNBqbfZJLMWNAgra7OYxR-

Q9O5j2RDxJpv9aEeQXMkLi/Benazir%20Bhutto%20-%20search%20of%20correct%

20chart.pdf

>

>

>

> Regards,

> M. Imran

>

>

> Producer

> TV One/News One

> Airwaves Media Pvt Ltd

> Karachi, Pakistan

> Mob: 092-21-03002433121

>

> Phone: 092-21-4530385

> Fax: 092-21-4300737

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sir,

 

At the risk of adding to the prevailing conflicting information

pouring in from all quarters -- after due and appropriate expression

of condolences for the grieving family and friends of Late Ms.

Bhutto, and hopes for sanity and peace to prevail in the region where

I was born -- I am a bit confused by this information of Pakistan

using 4h:30m time zone correction! According to Doris Chase Doane

(1996 revised edition (22nd printed edition of the 1971 publication)

on 1951 September 30, two time zones were established in Pakistan,

one for East and the other for West Pakistan.

West Pakistan adopted S.T. Meridian 75E00 (5h ahead of GMT/UT) with

NO Daylight Saving in Effect.

 

Prior to 1951 Pakistan had two ST one for Civil purposes and one for

Railways.

 

I am not sure where this new time zone of 4h 30 minutes arises from

and what is its documented evidence.

 

Maybe Mr. Imran can provide some verifiable documentary citation for

this " new " time standard!

 

Yours in Jyotish and the truth that surrounds it,

 

Rohiniranjan

 

 

, " om_tatsat_om "

<om_tatsat_om wrote:

>

> I must thank Mr. Astro Imran from Pakistan for the details.

> I am cross posting but it is important here in this context.

>

>

>

> Dear Mr.Imran,

>

> Once again I thank you for providing the info .

>

> I checked Ms. Benazir Bhutto's chart using chart and birth details

as

> endorsed by none other than Legendary Sri B.V Raman and also

endorsed

> by Cyrus Abayakoon who I hold in greatest esteem.

>

> I checked up the sad event on 27th December 2007 using my Rahu

> centric method to find out if this chartand birth data as given by

> Sri Raman is correct or not.My findings clearly indicate a sudden

and

> violent death.

>

> I used the following data as used by sri Raman.

> Sunday,June 21, 1953 at 7:43pm (4:30 East of GMT), Karachi. This

> June 21,1953 yields

> Sagittarius ascendant and Chitra-3 nakshatra, as per Lahiri

> Ayanamsa. Aforesaid

> birth detail is endorsed by the writings and write-ups of B.V.

> Raman,

>

> If I take Dhanur lagna as correct lagna, (I am using Lahiri

> Ayanamsha).

> To find out longevity, I re orient the chart to bring R1 as KL or

> Kaal Lagna.This will make it as Makar Lagna(KL)

>

> Rahu in asc, Sukra in 4th, Guru in 5th, Sun and Mars in 6th, Ketu

and

> Budha in 7th,Vakri Sani in 9th and Moon in 10th.

>

> She was running Sani-guru-sani-guru-sani at the time of her

> Assasination.

>

> This is not only remarkable but breathtaking.

>

> Because, Sani is lord of KL lagna as well as 2nd.Sani assumes Maraka

> powers because he is aspected by Ultimate killer Guru who is the

> Kaalanta 12th house lord who is also the lord of the 3rd house.She

> was running Guru bhukti in Sani dasa.

>

> Same Sani is fully aspected by Mars who is asociated with the 8th

> lord sun in 6th.Please mark that the Guru who is in 5th, is also

> aspecting Lagna. Even Mars is aspecting her Lagna.

> No wonder she was a marked person almost all throughout her Sani

dasa

> which ultimately killed her.

>

> Coming back to her dasa period right up to her PAD, she was running

> only Sani and Guru periods.Guru in her chart indicates religious

> fundamentalists.How could she escape death?

>

> I know that my posting may raise some eyebrows but I would throw my

> lot with Sri B.V Raman's data.

>

> Tatvam-Asi

>

>

vedic astrology , " M. Imran " <astroimran@>

> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Benazir Bhutto: search of

> > correct natal chart

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Benazir Bhutto is not

> > the only celebrity about whom multiple birth charts are claimed. I

> have

> > confronted various references of her birth details. The first one

> is Sunday,

> > June 21, 1953 at 7:43pm (4:30 East of GMT), Karachi. This June 21,

> 1953 yields

> > Sagittarius ascendant and Chitra-3 nakshatra, as per Lahiri

> Ayanamsa. Aforesaid

> > birth detail is endorsed by the writings and write-ups of B.V.

> Raman, Cyrus

> > T.F. Abayakoon, J.C. Luthra, P.A. Patel, Samad Hussain Rizvi,

Rafat

> Shaikh and many

> > others. On the other hand, there are some astrologers who either

> have rectified

> > the birth time or time zone, to arrive at Scorpio lagna. But it

> should be borne

> > in mind that Pakistan Standard Time (PST) was 4 hours 30 minute

> ahead of GMT

> > from September 1, 1951 to April 30, 1954. Before September 1,

1951,

> Pakistan and

> > Indian Standard Time were identical. And it is only from midnight

> of May 1,

> > 1954, Government of Pakistan enforced time zone 5:00 east of GMT,

> that is in

> > practice to date.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Now there is another significant reference provided by K. N.

> > Rao. He holds that Natwar Singh drawn Benazir¢s horoscope when she

> was staying

> > in London and

> > consulted him. K. N. Rao and his students follow Benazir Bhutto¢s

> birth

> > details: June 23, 1953, 4:30pm Karachi

> > as given by Natwar Singh, that yields ascendant 24Libra25. But

when

> we recast

> > the chart we find 7*28¢ Scorpio as ascendant, instead of Libra.

> Why? Because

> > either Natwar Singh or K. N. Rao¢s students mistakenly assumed

> Pakistan¢s time

> > zone as +5:30 GMT. Hence to arrive at

> > 24*25¢ Libra ascendant of Benazir, as claimed by K. N. Rao, we

have

> to take her

> > birth time 3:30pm Karachi (with correct time zone 4:30 East of

> GMT). Besides

> > time zone confusion, another thing (though trivia) is that Benazir

> herself used

> > to wear yellow coloured stone (probably Topaz) not only in her

> index finger but

> > also in her neck. This selection and usage of stone may go in

> favour of

> > Sagittarius lagna. But even I took K.N. Rao¢s Libra lagna for

> Benazir, seriously

> > by correcting time zone.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Apart from discussed above horoscopes, there is another

> > birth chart of Benazir Bhutto, though somewhat maverick. It is

June

> 21, 1952 (exact

> > time unknown but it is afternoon) that gives Libra ascendant and

> Taurus Moon. It

> > may be possible but difficult to believe that 1952 is year of

birth

> of Benazir

> > as her father Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto married Begum Nusrat Bhutto on

> September 8,

> > 1951. Secondly, I did not find any authentic source that attests

> this deviant

> > date of birth. Hence paying much attention to this claim without

> reliable

> > source may be misleading.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > But one thing is clear that most of the Scorpio rising

> > charts associated to Benazir Bhutto, are result of misunderstand

> about little

> > known history of Pakistan Standard Time. However, it coincidently

> testifies

> > violent death; on account of Scorpio lagna lord Mars being in 8th.

> But when you

> > compare rest of the life events with any Scorpio rising chart, you

> would

> > conclude against it.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Now, we have left with two claims: 21-June-1953 Sagittarius

> > Ascendant and 23-June-1953 Libra Ascendant. There are many ways to

> reach at correct

> > chart. Most of the people rely on the chart that can easily

justify

> her

> > assassination. But in my humble opinion, comparing significant

life

> events with

> > vimshottari dasha may prove an acid test. I have collected over

two

> dozen

> > important events in the life of Benazir Bhutto and match them with

> > corresponding Maha, Antar and Pratyantar Dashas running at that

> time.

> >

> > For table of comparison, see FILES section of the

> > sohamsa

> > vedic astrology

> > OR

> > http://f1.grp.fs.com/v1/UJZ3R1pBMYF9QlD-

> YlAyyrsDTZQOAmZJZHoQ3nc84Cn0tPffTkmVTNBqbfZJLMWNAgra7OYxR-

> Q9O5j2RDxJpv9aEeQXMkLi/Benazir%20Bhutto%20-%20search%20of%20correct%

> 20chart.pdf

> >

> >

> >

> > Regards,

> > M. Imran

> >

> >

> > Producer

> > TV One/News One

> > Airwaves Media Pvt Ltd

> > Karachi, Pakistan

> > Mob: 092-21-03002433121

> >

> > Phone: 092-21-4530385

> > Fax: 092-21-4300737

> >

>

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time fromt his group you will face leagel problems.

 

Balasubramanian.

 

om_tatsat_om <om_tatsat_om wrote:

I must thank Mr. Astro Imran from Pakistan for the details.

I am cross posting but it is important here in this context.

 

Dear Mr.Imran,

 

Once again I thank you for providing the info .

 

I checked Ms. Benazir Bhutto's chart using chart and birth details as

endorsed by none other than Legendary Sri B.V Raman and also endorsed

by Cyrus Abayakoon who I hold in greatest esteem.

 

I checked up the sad event on 27th December 2007 using my Rahu

centric method to find out if this chartand birth data as given by

Sri Raman is correct or not.My findings clearly indicate a sudden and

violent death.

 

I used the following data as used by sri Raman.

Sunday,June 21, 1953 at 7:43pm (4:30 East of GMT), Karachi. This

June 21,1953 yields

Sagittarius ascendant and Chitra-3 nakshatra, as per Lahiri

Ayanamsa. Aforesaid

birth detail is endorsed by the writings and write-ups of B.V.

Raman,

 

If I take Dhanur lagna as correct lagna, (I am using Lahiri

Ayanamsha).

To find out longevity, I re orient the chart to bring R1 as KL or

Kaal Lagna.This will make it as Makar Lagna(KL)

 

Rahu in asc, Sukra in 4th, Guru in 5th, Sun and Mars in 6th, Ketu and

Budha in 7th,Vakri Sani in 9th and Moon in 10th.

 

She was running Sani-guru-sani-guru-sani at the time of her

Assasination.

 

This is not only remarkable but breathtaking.

 

Because, Sani is lord of KL lagna as well as 2nd.Sani assumes Maraka

powers because he is aspected by Ultimate killer Guru who is the

Kaalanta 12th house lord who is also the lord of the 3rd house.She

was running Guru bhukti in Sani dasa.

 

Same Sani is fully aspected by Mars who is asociated with the 8th

lord sun in 6th.Please mark that the Guru who is in 5th, is also

aspecting Lagna. Even Mars is aspecting her Lagna.

No wonder she was a marked person almost all throughout her Sani dasa

which ultimately killed her.

 

Coming back to her dasa period right up to her PAD, she was running

only Sani and Guru periods.Guru in her chart indicates religious

fundamentalists.How could she escape death?

 

I know that my posting may raise some eyebrows but I would throw my

lot with Sri B.V Raman's data.

 

Tatvam-Asi

 

vedic astrology , " M. Imran " <astroimran

wrote:

>

>

>

> Benazir Bhutto: search of

> correct natal chart

>

>

>

>

> Benazir Bhutto is not

> the only celebrity about whom multiple birth charts are claimed. I

have

> confronted various references of her birth details. The first one

is Sunday,

> June 21, 1953 at 7:43pm (4:30 East of GMT), Karachi. This June 21,

1953 yields

> Sagittarius ascendant and Chitra-3 nakshatra, as per Lahiri

Ayanamsa. Aforesaid

> birth detail is endorsed by the writings and write-ups of B.V.

Raman, Cyrus

> T.F. Abayakoon, J.C. Luthra, P.A. Patel, Samad Hussain Rizvi, Rafat

Shaikh and many

> others. On the other hand, there are some astrologers who either

have rectified

> the birth time or time zone, to arrive at Scorpio lagna. But it

should be borne

> in mind that Pakistan Standard Time (PST) was 4 hours 30 minute

ahead of GMT

> from September 1, 1951 to April 30, 1954. Before September 1, 1951,

Pakistan and

> Indian Standard Time were identical. And it is only from midnight

of May 1,

> 1954, Government of Pakistan enforced time zone 5:00 east of GMT,

that is in

> practice to date.

>

>

>

>

>

> Now there is another significant reference provided by K. N.

> Rao. He holds that Natwar Singh drawn Benazir¢s horoscope when she

was staying

> in London and

> consulted him. K. N. Rao and his students follow Benazir Bhutto¢s

birth

> details: June 23, 1953, 4:30pm Karachi

> as given by Natwar Singh, that yields ascendant 24Libra25. But when

we recast

> the chart we find 7*28¢ Scorpio as ascendant, instead of Libra.

Why? Because

> either Natwar Singh or K. N. Rao¢s students mistakenly assumed

Pakistan¢s time

> zone as +5:30 GMT. Hence to arrive at

> 24*25¢ Libra ascendant of Benazir, as claimed by K. N. Rao, we have

to take her

> birth time 3:30pm Karachi (with correct time zone 4:30 East of

GMT). Besides

> time zone confusion, another thing (though trivia) is that Benazir

herself used

> to wear yellow coloured stone (probably Topaz) not only in her

index finger but

> also in her neck. This selection and usage of stone may go in

favour of

> Sagittarius lagna. But even I took K.N. Rao¢s Libra lagna for

Benazir, seriously

> by correcting time zone.

>

>

>

>

>

> Apart from discussed above horoscopes, there is another

> birth chart of Benazir Bhutto, though somewhat maverick. It is June

21, 1952 (exact

> time unknown but it is afternoon) that gives Libra ascendant and

Taurus Moon. It

> may be possible but difficult to believe that 1952 is year of birth

of Benazir

> as her father Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto married Begum Nusrat Bhutto on

September 8,

> 1951. Secondly, I did not find any authentic source that attests

this deviant

> date of birth. Hence paying much attention to this claim without

reliable

> source may be misleading.

>

>

>

>

>

> But one thing is clear that most of the Scorpio rising

> charts associated to Benazir Bhutto, are result of misunderstand

about little

> known history of Pakistan Standard Time. However, it coincidently

testifies

> violent death; on account of Scorpio lagna lord Mars being in 8th.

But when you

> compare rest of the life events with any Scorpio rising chart, you

would

> conclude against it.

>

>

>

>

>

> Now, we have left with two claims: 21-June-1953 Sagittarius

> Ascendant and 23-June-1953 Libra Ascendant. There are many ways to

reach at correct

> chart. Most of the people rely on the chart that can easily justify

her

> assassination. But in my humble opinion, comparing significant life

events with

> vimshottari dasha may prove an acid test. I have collected over two

dozen

> important events in the life of Benazir Bhutto and match them with

> corresponding Maha, Antar and Pratyantar Dashas running at that

time.

>

> For table of comparison, see FILES section of the

> sohamsa

> vedic astrology

> OR

> http://f1.grp.fs.com/v1/UJZ3R1pBMYF9QlD-

YlAyyrsDTZQOAmZJZHoQ3nc84Cn0tPffTkmVTNBqbfZJLMWNAgra7OYxR-

Q9O5j2RDxJpv9aEeQXMkLi/Benazir%20Bhutto%20-%20search%20of%20correct%

20chart.pdf

>

>

>

> Regards,

> M. Imran

>

>

> Producer

> TV One/News One

> Airwaves Media Pvt Ltd

> Karachi, Pakistan

> Mob: 092-21-03002433121

>

> Phone: 092-21-4530385

> Fax: 092-21-4300737

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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