Appeal to Sunil Nair : Stop Abusing Sage Valmiki in Your Group

October 19, 2007

Sure Tarun Ji,

Namaskaar, agreed to you, He (Srinadh is a 34 yrs old guy, with so

much poison in his mind, very clever).

During the Navaratris when we burn the Ravan, he acted like Ravan

getting support from Sunil Nair ji like astrologers.

I liked and respected Sunil Nair Ji, but i m unable to understand

what is making him so helpless before this cheap Srinadh, what is

interrelationship, i dont know.

regards,

Lalit Mishra

, " Tarun " <tarun.virgo wrote:

>

> Dear Lalit ji,

>

> If an Non-Astro Group start to talk rubbish, that doesnt mean It is

> a part of astrology.

>

> Sh.Sreenadh is already blocked in this Gruop due to his non-astro

> posts and abusing others.

>

> So Avoid reading his notes, as you will feel....#$ & @@ & @ & *@*

>

> Regards,

>

> Tarun

>

> , " litsol " <litsol@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunil Nair Ji,

> >

> > I just joined ur group, , I m shocked to

> see

> > the way ur favorite Sreenadh is abusing Sage Valmiki and Ramayana

> > with his handful knowledge and the way u r silently supporting to

> > him. pls. dont be a double standard person, collect ur courage to

> > stop him.

> >

> > Pls. dont allow him to play with our own heritage, dont give him

> > clean chit.

> >

> > If he has so much to say and proove, ask him to join this group

> and i

> > m ready to show a mirror to him in which he could see his dirty

> face.

> > I m shocked to see that you are supporting to him. Pls. dont do

> > this. I have cleared IAS prelims with Indian History , though,

> right

> > now, i have no book of history with me, I m able to give him

proper

> > replies to shut his mouth up.

> >

> > I know u wont like me saying openly this in the group but to blast

> > any conspiracy open fight is manadatory. convey my challange to

> him.

> > my id in yr group is : astro.caro

> > regards,

> > Lalit Mishra.

> >

>

October 19, 2007

Dear Group,

I wish to let u know - He (Srinadh is a 34 yrs old guy, with so

much poison in his mind, very clever and cheap).

During the Navaratris when we burn the Ravan, he acted like Ravan

getting support from Sunil Nair ji like astrologers.

I liked and respected Sunil Nair Ji, but i m unable to understand

what is making him so helpless before this cheap Srinadh, what is

interrelationship, i dont know.

regards,

Lalit Mishra

, " litsol " <mishra.lalit

wrote:

>

> (It's great that you are replying for his sake)

> Dear Sunil Ji,

>

> Firstly pls. admit that Srinadh's naad is made silent, curbed by

his

> own foolishnes, he is still in Delhi and replied one or two mails

> even after i openly kicked him. may be, he wants time to collect

> evidences to do preperations and u r shielding him. I m available

at

> one single click of mouse. let him prepare, as he is wrong in his

> motives, my first line will only put his head under armpits. he was

> showing proximity to Bali and enemity to Hanuman, tell him, hanuman

> has become Bali for him.

>

> Pls. check ur's mails, in every ,mail you write - " Hare Ram

Krishna " ,

> so, never forget that, u and including u, everybody needs god's

> shelter when right situtation comes.

>

> What the hell discussion is left to do, he has falied to put any

> evidence in his support that intensional interpolation has been

made

> in sunga period to humiliate south indian dravidians.

>

> his poisonous thoughts looks sweeter to those whose bad sanskaars

are

> active, and impressive to those who are simply guillible.

>

> ask him to put copy of ramayana beforr and after the period of

Sunga.

>

> hope u understand what i mean, dont let any ego or affection come

in

> between truth and falsity, ask him to beg appology and close it.

>

> remember, what u write on the top of ur's mail - HareRamKrishna !

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

>

> , " sunil nair "

> <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> >

> > Hare ramakrishna,

> >

> > dear lalit mishra .

> >

> > I dont think any discussion on ramayana or valmiki will

> erode the

> > foot hold of a religion or a dharma ( rememebr we cal it sanatan

> dharma)

> > ,like all discussion s we will hav pro and anti opinions .It shud

be

> > that way also ,if all r discussing same way it will become an

> autocratic

> > discussion only .

> >

> > Let ppl discuss,no body can sppress the truth ,so u r welcome to

> present

> > ur opinions my frnds like sri ANS sarman also write he has

> differrences

> > ,but with all respect to all ppl we r doing a healthy discussion

> >dont

> > be like bin ladens ,we r from a culture were all religions find

the

> > abode and our kings were not worried abt peace full discussions or

> > propogations .But later stages of history it has given way to

force

> > ,alluring ,utilising the poverty to change numbers in their

favr .

> >

> > Here the duty entrusted to me was keep moderate the grp ,and

allow

> all

> > kind of chintas and thoughts .it will evolve a more healthy

society

> with

> > more understanding and mutual respect only .Even i know rpsing

was

> false

> > id ,but i allow it to pass all opinions ,u can see even today

some

> one

> > crticized me ,i dont care what others think as i blv every body

has

> rite

> > to say their opinions .

> >

> > ur welcome to the group and u can also present ur opinions ,

> >

> > By the way sri ram was official god of pheroh s of egypt and i

> find a

> > document that ramayana was blved by them ,Even u can see the

> pharoah s

> > of egypt the creaters of great pyramids who lived 5000 or 6000

> years b4

> > has their name ramses_1 or ramses -2 like this .Actualy that

> document

> > given to me by a egyptologist --i think its missing from my

> collection

> > at home town .They cal king dasa ratha as dasruth and valmiki as

> > BALMISHKI like this ,may be it s wrong or forged document

also .But

> > those who know history know that all kings of egypt has their

title

> > along with names Ramsess.

> >

> > so think ramayana was celebrated in differrent part of the

> world ,Tai

> > landis blv all happened in their mother land ,even they will

show u

> > ayodhya ,and seetha ji birth place and other minute details in

thier

> > geography .

> >

> > In palastine there is a place known as Ramallah .It arabic the

word

> > murram(the noun form of ram ) meaning is lakhshya or aim or maarga

> > ,those who know arabic can correct me .

> >

> > so think a democratic discussion will not harm any interests it

will

> > empower only the real dharma .

> >

> > regrds sunil nair

> >

> > Om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

> >

> > Ps --Sree nadh ji is away for a official work so pls bear with us

> for

> > starting any discussions within 3 or 4 days .

> >

> > Thinks discussion means it is not winning over any body ,we r

> knowing

> > more only each parties ,so no one way imparting of opinions will

be

> > possible here .

> >

> > /

> > </>

> >

> > , " litsol " <mishra.lalit@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sunil Nair Ji,

> > >

> > > I just joined ur group, , I m shocked

to

> see

> > > the way ur favorite Sreenadh is abusing Sage Valmiki and

Ramayana

> > > with his handful knowledge and the way u r silently supporting

to

> > > him. pls. dont be a double standard person, collect ur courage

to

> > > stop him.

> > >

> > > Pls. dont allow him to play with our own heritage, dont give him

> > > clean chit.

> > >

> > > If he has so much to say and proove, ask him to join this group

> and i

> > > m ready to show a mirror to him in which he could see his dirty

> face.

> > > I m shocked to see that you are supporting to him. Pls. dont do

> > > this. I have cleared IAS prelims with Indian History , though,

> right

> > > now, i have no book of history with me, I m able to give him

> proper

> > > replies to shut his mouth up.

> > >

> > > I know u wont like me saying openly this in the group but to

blast

> > > any conspiracy open fight is manadatory. convey my challange to

> him.

> > > my id in yr group is : astro.caro

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit Mishra.

> > >

> >

October 19, 2007

Respected Bharat Ji,

Sunil Nair is is mere a scapegoat, That Srinadh has been using him

for his own interests, he w'd have thought, he is the only

knowledgable guy in india and all others who are in are

stupids, timids.

I have kicked out him at his face and now he himself is not even

coming to his own group, he is the group owner.

Sunil Ji forgot that he writes " HareRamKrishna " on the top of his own

mails and became part of Ramyan - Valmiki abusing mission.

Any way, a senior vedic astrologer should think what karma he himself

is beginning and what consequences he will have to face.

God made them blind that they did all abussive postings during

Navaratiris only, couldn't realize, Dussehra is so near and all ravan

like acts will be burn out.

God, give them wisdom and make their heart clean !!

regards,

Lalit.

, " Bharat - Hindu Astrology "

<astrologyhindu wrote:

>

> Namaste Sri Sunil

>

> We have two sets of cultures and religions:

>

> 1. All accepting and non-aggressive: Buddhism, Hinduism,

Zoroastrianism,

> Jews, amongst some others.

> 2. Non-accepting and aggressive: Christian and Muslim

>

> In the 2nd category, usually Christians (mostly the clerics)

use " carrot and

> stick " policy whereas, Muslims (not all but most) use aggression by

> violence. With current scenario in the country, when aggressive

religions

> are invading the very culture of the country, it becomes imperative

that

> people do speak out and act.

>

> Therefore, before comparing some people who do speak out to " Osama

Bin

> Laden " and the likes, please think.

>

> Besides, the Supreme Court has recognized the word Hindutva, as a

national

> unifier - the culture is what keeps our country together, else with

5000+

> languages, countless dialects, different regions, and infinite

differences,

> we are together as one nation. The only part that separated from

India, was

> because of the cultural erosion of our country. It is currently

called

> Pakistan and Bangladesh. The very people who belonged to our

culture were

> converted and made to hate their own country. These are the results

of

> aggressive religions.

>

> Therefore, to fight it back is not being " OBL " and I hope you shall

refrain

> from such references.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

> On 10/18/07, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote:

> >

> > Hare ramakrishna,

> >

> > dear lalit mishra .

> >

> > I dont think any discussion on ramayana or valmiki will erode the

> > foot hold of a religion or a dharma ( rememebr we cal it sanatan

dharma)

> > ,like all discussion s we will hav pro and anti opinions .It shud

be

> > that way also ,if all r discussing same way it will become an

autocratic

> > discussion only .

> >

> > Let ppl discuss,no body can sppress the truth ,so u r welcome to

present

> > ur opinions my frnds like sri ANS sarman also write he has

differrences

> > ,but with all respect to all ppl we r doing a healthy discussion

>dont

> > be like bin ladens ,we r from a culture were all religions find

the

> > abode and our kings were not worried abt peace full discussions or

> > propogations .But later stages of history it has given way to

force

> > ,alluring ,utilising the poverty to change numbers in their favr .

> >

> > Here the duty entrusted to me was keep moderate the grp ,and

allow all

> > kind of chintas and thoughts .it will evolve a more healthy

society with

> > more understanding and mutual respect only .Even i know rpsing

was false

> > id ,but i allow it to pass all opinions ,u can see even today

some one

> > crticized me ,i dont care what others think as i blv every body

has rite

> > to say their opinions .

> >

> > ur welcome to the group and u can also present ur opinions ,

> >

> > By the way sri ram was official god of pheroh s of egypt and i

find a

> > document that ramayana was blved by them ,Even u can see the

pharoah s

> > of egypt the creaters of great pyramids who lived 5000 or 6000

years b4

> > has their name ramses_1 or ramses -2 like this .Actualy that

document

> > given to me by a egyptologist --i think its missing from my

collection

> > at home town .They cal king dasa ratha as dasruth and valmiki as

> > BALMISHKI like this ,may be it s wrong or forged document

also .But

> > those who know history know that all kings of egypt has their

title

> > along with names Ramsess.

> >

> > so think ramayana was celebrated in differrent part of the

world ,Tai

> > landis blv all happened in their mother land ,even they will show

u

> > ayodhya ,and seetha ji birth place and other minute details in

thier

> > geography .

> >

> > In palastine there is a place known as Ramallah .It arabic the

word

> > murram(the noun form of ram ) meaning is lakhshya or aim or maarga

> > ,those who know arabic can correct me .

> >

> > so think a democratic discussion will not harm any interests it

will

> > empower only the real dharma .

> >

> > regrds sunil nair

> >

> > Om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

> >

> > Ps --Sree nadh ji is away for a official work so pls bear with us

for

> > starting any discussions within 3 or 4 days .

> >

> > Thinks discussion means it is not winning over any body ,we r

knowing

> > more only each parties ,so no one way imparting of opinions will

be

> > possible here .

> >

> > <%

40>,

> > " Bharat - Hindu Astrology "

> > <astrologyhindu@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste Sri Mishra

> > >

> > > Idiots are those who talk nonsense about Ramayana and Sage

Valmiki.

> > Such

> > > people are on a self destruct as they do not understand

anything that

> > makes

> > > sense. After the derogatory remarks of peabrained Karunanidhi,

I guess

> > it

> > > has become fashionable to talk nonsense. If remarks were made

that

> > were

> > > derogatory and abusive against Hinduism, you can file a report

and the

> > > person may be arrested too. You can take printouts of the emails

> > (including

> > > the headers) as proof.

> > >

> > > This person is known to make vile comments about others. He

abused a

> > few

> > > members here too.

> > >

> > > He brings a bad name to kerala jyotish and also to the members

who

> > support

> > > him.

> > >

> > > Thanks and Regards

> > > Bharat

> > >

> > > On 10/18/07, litsol litsol@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sunil Nair Ji,

> > > >

> > > > I just joined ur group, , I m shocked

to see

> > > > the way ur favorite Sreenadh is abusing Sage Valmiki and

Ramayana

> > > > with his handful knowledge and the way u r silently

supporting to

> > > > him. pls. dont be a double standard person, collect ur

courage to

> > > > stop him.

> > > >

> > > > Pls. dont allow him to play with our own heritage, dont give

him

> > > > clean chit.

> > > >

> > > > If he has so much to say and proove, ask him to join this

group and

> > i

> > > > m ready to show a mirror to him in which he could see his

dirty

> > face.

> > > > I m shocked to see that you are supporting to him. Pls. dont

do

> > > > this. I have cleared IAS prelims with Indian History ,

though, right

> > > > now, i have no book of history with me, I m able to give him

proper

> > > > replies to shut his mouth up.

> > > >

> > > > I know u wont like me saying openly this in the group but to

blast

> > > > any conspiracy open fight is manadatory. convey my challange

to him.

> > > > my id in yr group is : astro.caro

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit Mishra.

> > > >

> > >

October 19, 2007

Dear all,

Leave this fellow Sreenadh alone, unless he confronts

anyone of us directly,or talks rubbish in any assembly

where any of us are present. The unworthy

fade away on their own, with the passage of time without

anyone having to lift a finger.

Though I have not visited this Forum which you people

mentioned, where he has spoken derogatorily about Ramayana

or Valmiki,because of 3 reasons-

1) I dont have much spare time on my hands.

2) My blood boils when I read rubbish against Hinduism,

scriptures or against venerated Sages.and my retaliation

is not very decent for a good public.

3) As you mentioned if it is Shri Sunil Nairjis Forum,

then I wont be able to do anything with blood being boiled,

because though I know Shri Sunilji through these Forums and

respect him, he may not allow my writings to come on board,

in reply to dirty utterances by Sreenadh.

I have already faced and challenged Sreenadh on 2 Forums,

1) Jyotish remedies

2) This Forum itself,

but he ran away for shelter, and was not able to reply

my astrological challenges, though I am a most ordinary

astrologer , and have not read or mastered the Shastras,

as he himself clams to have done,

yet he could not answer answer this ordinary astrologers

simple queries.

In this Forum, he abused me before running away, and I

did not abuse him back, only for 3 reasons,

1) I did not wish to dirty myself.

2) I wish to maintain sanctity of this Forum.

3) Do not wish to be thrown out of here. (Honestly speaking).

It takes time for maturity to arrive in some people,

sometimes it comes earlier, and sometimes later.

If a man looses his parents or near and dear ones

early (Or late) then some maturity arrives, or when he

faces sufferings in Life, then some maturity arrives,

and in some cases, even after seeing all of above, maturity

does not arrive.

But whether maturity arrives or not, no educated person,

and specially a person practicing astrology, has any right

or authority to talk dirty of the old epics, Incarnations

of God, and the Sages of Yore.

Valmiki is a Rishi who forms a member of the inner circle

of God,and who has the power to create Universes, just by

thoughts and ideas entering in his mind he has the power to

create worlds. How can we ordinary mortals have the guts to

talk otherwise of such great people who are the Mentors of

our forefathers .

This is sacrilege in my Dictionary, sorry, but in My India,

if I was a ruler, there would be only capital punishment

for this, and no lesser punishment would give me satisfaction.

In the name of secularism,these people have created partitions

in India, these are the weak links in our India, through whom

the'Invaders have entered our great country.

These are the traitors of India, who form the support of the

minorities, who are now fast turning into majority in many

areas of India, and who are a threat to the Ram Rajya of

Satyuga which will arrive once more.

These people are the ones who, on small favours received dont

mind converting into other religions, and thus adding to the

Minority numbers, who are not here for progress of India, but

just looking for quotas, special incentives, reserved seats ,

donations through Government, to spread their dirty lots more

and garbage the whole areas they infest.

Sreenadh should also be treated like one, above, and left

alone, till one of us becomes the ruler of this country,

or if he starts his mischief in our presence. I certainly

wish to bring Ramrajya in this country,

someday when I join Politics actively, probably after 10

years, because I know once I come on the top level

they will not allow me to live for long, because thats what

I am going to do with them too. It will be one of us.

There would be no corruption, no bribes, no quotas, no rapes,

robberies or crimes in My India, because I would immediately

sort it out there and then with a strict punishment.

My India would be a complete India with all my territories

taken back and made a whole, including Pakistan, Bangladesh ,

and parts of Ch..., Ti..., and Afg........

I have a long list for My India, but better do it then talk.

But till the time I am there, I hope to bring about a change

in this country. God willing it should come. But first let me

complete my duties to the family where I have been born first,

to a reasonable level.

Sorry,though I am aware of the content of the mails appearing on

the Group, I am not able to participate actively, because My Father

is suffering ill health since last 3 days, and was available for him

and thus could not spend time writing here.

regards,

Bhaskar.

, " litsol " <litsol wrote:

>

> Respected Bharat Ji,

>

> Sunil Nair is is mere a scapegoat, That Srinadh has been using him

> for his own interests, he w'd have thought, he is the only

> knowledgable guy in india and all others who are in are

> stupids, timids.

>

> I have kicked out him at his face and now he himself is not even

> coming to his own group, he is the group owner.

>

> Sunil Ji forgot that he writes " HareRamKrishna " on the top of his own

> mails and became part of Ramyan - Valmiki abusing mission.

>

> Any way, a senior vedic astrologer should think what karma he himself

> is beginning and what consequences he will have to face.

>

> God made them blind that they did all abussive postings during

> Navaratiris only, couldn't realize, Dussehra is so near and all ravan

> like acts will be burn out.

>

> God, give them wisdom and make their heart clean !!

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

>

, " Bharat - Hindu Astrology "

> <astrologyhindu@> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste Sri Sunil

> >

> > We have two sets of cultures and religions:

> >

> > 1. All accepting and non-aggressive: Buddhism, Hinduism,

> Zoroastrianism,

> > Jews, amongst some others.

> > 2. Non-accepting and aggressive: Christian and Muslim

> >

> > In the 2nd category, usually Christians (mostly the clerics)

> use " carrot and

> > stick " policy whereas, Muslims (not all but most) use aggression by

> > violence. With current scenario in the country, when aggressive

> religions

> > are invading the very culture of the country, it becomes imperative

> that

> > people do speak out and act.

> >

> > Therefore, before comparing some people who do speak out to " Osama

> Bin

> > Laden " and the likes, please think.

> >

> > Besides, the Supreme Court has recognized the word Hindutva, as a

> national

> > unifier - the culture is what keeps our country together, else with

> 5000+

> > languages, countless dialects, different regions, and infinite

> differences,

> > we are together as one nation. The only part that separated from

> India, was

> > because of the cultural erosion of our country. It is currently

> called

> > Pakistan and Bangladesh. The very people who belonged to our

> culture were

> > converted and made to hate their own country. These are the results

> of

> > aggressive religions.

> >

> > Therefore, to fight it back is not being " OBL " and I hope you shall

> refrain

> > from such references.

> >

> > Thanks and Regards

> > Bharat

> >

> > On 10/18/07, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hare ramakrishna,

> > >

> > > dear lalit mishra .

> > >

> > > I dont think any discussion on ramayana or valmiki will erode the

> > > foot hold of a religion or a dharma ( rememebr we cal it sanatan

> dharma)

> > > ,like all discussion s we will hav pro and anti opinions .It shud

> be

> > > that way also ,if all r discussing same way it will become an

> autocratic

> > > discussion only .

> > >

> > > Let ppl discuss,no body can sppress the truth ,so u r welcome to

> present

> > > ur opinions my frnds like sri ANS sarman also write he has

> differrences

> > > ,but with all respect to all ppl we r doing a healthy discussion

> >dont

> > > be like bin ladens ,we r from a culture were all religions find

> the

> > > abode and our kings were not worried abt peace full discussions or

> > > propogations .But later stages of history it has given way to

> force

> > > ,alluring ,utilising the poverty to change numbers in their favr .

> > >

> > > Here the duty entrusted to me was keep moderate the grp ,and

> allow all

> > > kind of chintas and thoughts .it will evolve a more healthy

> society with

> > > more understanding and mutual respect only .Even i know rpsing

> was false

> > > id ,but i allow it to pass all opinions ,u can see even today

> some one

> > > crticized me ,i dont care what others think as i blv every body

> has rite

> > > to say their opinions .

> > >

> > > ur welcome to the group and u can also present ur opinions ,

> > >

> > > By the way sri ram was official god of pheroh s of egypt and i

> find a

> > > document that ramayana was blved by them ,Even u can see the

> pharoah s

> > > of egypt the creaters of great pyramids who lived 5000 or 6000

> years b4

> > > has their name ramses_1 or ramses -2 like this .Actualy that

> document

> > > given to me by a egyptologist --i think its missing from my

> collection

> > > at home town .They cal king dasa ratha as dasruth and valmiki as

> > > BALMISHKI like this ,may be it s wrong or forged document

> also .But

> > > those who know history know that all kings of egypt has their

> title

> > > along with names Ramsess.

> > >

> > > so think ramayana was celebrated in differrent part of the

> world ,Tai

> > > landis blv all happened in their mother land ,even they will show

> u

> > > ayodhya ,and seetha ji birth place and other minute details in

> thier

> > > geography .

> > >

> > > In palastine there is a place known as Ramallah .It arabic the

> word

> > > murram(the noun form of ram ) meaning is lakhshya or aim or maarga

> > > ,those who know arabic can correct me .

> > >

> > > so think a democratic discussion will not harm any interests it

> will

> > > empower only the real dharma .

> > >

> > > regrds sunil nair

> > >

> > > Om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

> > >

> > > Ps --Sree nadh ji is away for a official work so pls bear with us

> for

> > > starting any discussions within 3 or 4 days .

> > >

> > > Thinks discussion means it is not winning over any body ,we r

> knowing

> > > more only each parties ,so no one way imparting of opinions will

> be

> > > possible here .

> > >

> > > <%

> 40>,

> > > " Bharat - Hindu Astrology "

> > > <astrologyhindu@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Namaste Sri Mishra

> > > >

> > > > Idiots are those who talk nonsense about Ramayana and Sage

> Valmiki.

> > > Such

> > > > people are on a self destruct as they do not understand

> anything that

> > > makes

> > > > sense. After the derogatory remarks of peabrained Karunanidhi,

> I guess

> > > it

> > > > has become fashionable to talk nonsense. If remarks were made

> that

> > > were

> > > > derogatory and abusive against Hinduism, you can file a report

> and the

> > > > person may be arrested too. You can take printouts of the emails

> > > (including

> > > > the headers) as proof.

> > > >

> > > > This person is known to make vile comments about others. He

> abused a

> > > few

> > > > members here too.

> > > >

> > > > He brings a bad name to kerala jyotish and also to the members

> who

> > > support

> > > > him.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > Bharat

> > > >

> > > > On 10/18/07, litsol litsol@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sunil Nair Ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > I just joined ur group, , I m shocked

> to see

> > > > > the way ur favorite Sreenadh is abusing Sage Valmiki and

> Ramayana

> > > > > with his handful knowledge and the way u r silently

> supporting to

> > > > > him. pls. dont be a double standard person, collect ur

> courage to

> > > > > stop him.

> > > > >

> > > > > Pls. dont allow him to play with our own heritage, dont give

> him

> > > > > clean chit.

> > > > >

> > > > > If he has so much to say and proove, ask him to join this

> group and

> > > i

> > > > > m ready to show a mirror to him in which he could see his

> dirty

> > > face.

> > > > > I m shocked to see that you are supporting to him. Pls. dont

> do

> > > > > this. I have cleared IAS prelims with Indian History ,

> though, right

> > > > > now, i have no book of history with me, I m able to give him

> proper

> > > > > replies to shut his mouth up.

> > > > >

> > > > > I know u wont like me saying openly this in the group but to

> blast

> > > > > any conspiracy open fight is manadatory. convey my challange

> to him.

> > > > > my id in yr group is : astro.caro

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Lalit Mishra.

> > > > >

> > > >

October 20, 2007

Hare ramakrishna,

respected bhaskar ji and sri bharath ji ,

As u all know what is the role of moderater ,i neither pro or anti .My

duty is to pass all mails which does not contain any hate or with

content .I even allowed to pass hate mails against me since i think in

democracy ,when we r doing a duty i cannot put my views .

my back grounds or any liking there .

lalit out of enthusism saw some body attacking me and he also took up it

..

Our scripture or sastras as u know may be lot of interpolations and

missing parts .so if some one enquiring that no harm in it .

even in past may be we r naked ,it means shud i bann some body because

he said the truth .

let us b more clear in our mind .

i am sick and lil down and doing work with what ever available time

,today also i talked to lalit to concentrate on countering if u hav any

views

also for next few days or a month i wont be doing the moderation of the

grp .

i dont know how my name come in between .

for helping hindutwa ,i hav a diffrnt plan than shouting like this .we

shud address the ppls problems in basic way ,wen converting they dont

think which is right or wrong ,only economic helps and further facility

is attracting them .

Since i am from kerala i know tactic of all religious ppl ,our hindus

limit to some issues .and others concentrate on core areas .That is the

differrence .

I hav seen economic growth and status of harijans who converted in one

generation in TN and Andra pradesh .EVen u can see democrafic or sensces

records says low percentage which is untrue .

Pls dont bother to reply my mail as i write from here and there .

Only community in world who cannot digest fellow men as their brothers

and blood boiling ,it itself is showing were r we heading .I think

bharath ji is memeber of the grp ,so u can see nay mail and show were is

my contribution to controversy .

I think once in bhaskarjis grp one man because of he is Nair and he

was attacking another hindu guru (who died in 1925) and he wanted to

prove his superiority over others and i dont spare him ,bhaskarji may be

knowing it .He was calling a hindu saint by his caste not ready to

respect him because he is low caste .this how we protect hindutwa and we

lament why those ppl getting converted .here rich can support 5 needy

each min and those five will support atleast 2 ,so our india will be

vibrant .

In TN the temple brahmins are paid rs500/- as salary and do u think even

own community memebers dont care them .As they r lucky in IPS and IAS

and SW fields and i know in next 20 years no body wanted to take up that

job .Same is the case in kerala but differrent way as no girls wanted to

marry a preist or astrologer as all others are in gulf or US or forign

countries and earning good money .

here in north india the discussion whether astrologer shud be paid or

kicked in face is not decided yet .

thanks and regrds

sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear all,

>

> Leave this fellow Sreenadh alone, unless he confronts

> anyone of us directly,or talks rubbish in any assembly

> where any of us are present. The unworthy

> fade away on their own, with the passage of time without

> anyone having to lift a finger.

> Though I have not visited this Forum which you people

> mentioned, where he has spoken derogatorily about Ramayana

> or Valmiki,because of 3 reasons-

> 1) I dont have much spare time on my hands.

> 2) My blood boils when I read rubbish against Hinduism,

> scriptures or against venerated Sages.and my retaliation

> is not very decent for a good public.

> 3) As you mentioned if it is Shri Sunil Nairjis Forum,

> then I wont be able to do anything with blood being boiled,

> because though I know Shri Sunilji through these Forums and

> respect him, he may not allow my writings to come on board,

> in reply to dirty utterances by Sreenadh.

>

> I have already faced and challenged Sreenadh on 2 Forums,

> 1) Jyotish remedies

> 2) This Forum itself,

>

> but he ran away for shelter, and was not able to reply

> my astrological challenges, though I am a most ordinary

> astrologer , and have not read or mastered the Shastras,

> as he himself clams to have done,

> yet he could not answer answer this ordinary astrologers

> simple queries.

> In this Forum, he abused me before running away, and I

> did not abuse him back, only for 3 reasons,

>

> 1) I did not wish to dirty myself.

> 2) I wish to maintain sanctity of this Forum.

> 3) Do not wish to be thrown out of here. (Honestly speaking).

>

> It takes time for maturity to arrive in some people,

> sometimes it comes earlier, and sometimes later.

> If a man looses his parents or near and dear ones

> early (Or late) then some maturity arrives, or when he

> faces sufferings in Life, then some maturity arrives,

> and in some cases, even after seeing all of above, maturity

> does not arrive.

>

> But whether maturity arrives or not, no educated person,

> and specially a person practicing astrology, has any right

> or authority to talk dirty of the old epics, Incarnations

> of God, and the Sages of Yore.

> Valmiki is a Rishi who forms a member of the inner circle

> of God,and who has the power to create Universes, just by

> thoughts and ideas entering in his mind he has the power to

> create worlds. How can we ordinary mortals have the guts to

> talk otherwise of such great people who are the Mentors of

> our forefathers .

>

> This is sacrilege in my Dictionary, sorry, but in My India,

> if I was a ruler, there would be only capital punishment

> for this, and no lesser punishment would give me satisfaction.

> In the name of secularism,these people have created partitions

> in India, these are the weak links in our India, through whom

> the'Invaders have entered our great country.

> These are the traitors of India, who form the support of the

> minorities, who are now fast turning into majority in many

> areas of India, and who are a threat to the Ram Rajya of

> Satyuga which will arrive once more.

> These people are the ones who, on small favours received dont

> mind converting into other religions, and thus adding to the

> Minority numbers, who are not here for progress of India, but

> just looking for quotas, special incentives, reserved seats ,

> donations through Government, to spread their dirty lots more

> and garbage the whole areas they infest.

>

> Sreenadh should also be treated like one, above, and left

> alone, till one of us becomes the ruler of this country,

> or if he starts his mischief in our presence. I certainly

> wish to bring Ramrajya in this country,

> someday when I join Politics actively, probably after 10

> years, because I know once I come on the top level

> they will not allow me to live for long, because thats what

> I am going to do with them too. It will be one of us.

> There would be no corruption, no bribes, no quotas, no rapes,

> robberies or crimes in My India, because I would immediately

> sort it out there and then with a strict punishment.

> My India would be a complete India with all my territories

> taken back and made a whole, including Pakistan, Bangladesh ,

> and parts of Ch..., Ti..., and Afg........

> I have a long list for My India, but better do it then talk.

> But till the time I am there, I hope to bring about a change

> in this country. God willing it should come. But first let me

> complete my duties to the family where I have been born first,

> to a reasonable level.

>

> Sorry,though I am aware of the content of the mails appearing on

> the Group, I am not able to participate actively, because My Father

> is suffering ill health since last 3 days, and was available for him

> and thus could not spend time writing here.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

, " litsol " litsol@ wrote:

> >

> > Respected Bharat Ji,

> >

> > Sunil Nair is is mere a scapegoat, That Srinadh has been using him

> > for his own interests, he w'd have thought, he is the only

> > knowledgable guy in india and all others who are in are

> > stupids, timids.

> >

> > I have kicked out him at his face and now he himself is not even

> > coming to his own group, he is the group owner.

> >

> > Sunil Ji forgot that he writes " HareRamKrishna " on the top of his

own

> > mails and became part of Ramyan - Valmiki abusing mission.

> >

> > Any way, a senior vedic astrologer should think what karma he

himself

> > is beginning and what consequences he will have to face.

> >

> > God made them blind that they did all abussive postings during

> > Navaratiris only, couldn't realize, Dussehra is so near and all

ravan

> > like acts will be burn out.

> >

> > God, give them wisdom and make their heart clean !!

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> > , " Bharat - Hindu Astrology "

> > <astrologyhindu@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste Sri Sunil

> > >

> > > We have two sets of cultures and religions:

> > >

> > > 1. All accepting and non-aggressive: Buddhism, Hinduism,

> > Zoroastrianism,

> > > Jews, amongst some others.

> > > 2. Non-accepting and aggressive: Christian and Muslim

> > >

> > > In the 2nd category, usually Christians (mostly the clerics)

> > use " carrot and

> > > stick " policy whereas, Muslims (not all but most) use aggression

by

> > > violence. With current scenario in the country, when aggressive

> > religions

> > > are invading the very culture of the country, it becomes

imperative

> > that

> > > people do speak out and act.

> > >

> > > Therefore, before comparing some people who do speak out to " Osama

> > Bin

> > > Laden " and the likes, please think.

> > >

> > > Besides, the Supreme Court has recognized the word Hindutva, as a

> > national

> > > unifier - the culture is what keeps our country together, else

with

> > 5000+

> > > languages, countless dialects, different regions, and infinite

> > differences,

> > > we are together as one nation. The only part that separated from

> > India, was

> > > because of the cultural erosion of our country. It is currently

> > called

> > > Pakistan and Bangladesh. The very people who belonged to our

> > culture were

> > > converted and made to hate their own country. These are the

results

> > of

> > > aggressive religions.

> > >

> > > Therefore, to fight it back is not being " OBL " and I hope you

shall

> > refrain

> > > from such references.

> > >

> > > Thanks and Regards

> > > Bharat

> > >

> > > On 10/18/07, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hare ramakrishna,

> > > >

> > > > dear lalit mishra .

> > > >

> > > > I dont think any discussion on ramayana or valmiki will erode

the

> > > > foot hold of a religion or a dharma ( rememebr we cal it sanatan

> > dharma)

> > > > ,like all discussion s we will hav pro and anti opinions .It

shud

> > be

> > > > that way also ,if all r discussing same way it will become an

> > autocratic

> > > > discussion only .

> > > >

> > > > Let ppl discuss,no body can sppress the truth ,so u r welcome to

> > present

> > > > ur opinions my frnds like sri ANS sarman also write he has

> > differrences

> > > > ,but with all respect to all ppl we r doing a healthy discussion

> > >dont

> > > > be like bin ladens ,we r from a culture were all religions find

> > the

> > > > abode and our kings were not worried abt peace full discussions

or

> > > > propogations .But later stages of history it has given way to

> > force

> > > > ,alluring ,utilising the poverty to change numbers in their favr

..

> > > >

> > > > Here the duty entrusted to me was keep moderate the grp ,and

> > allow all

> > > > kind of chintas and thoughts .it will evolve a more healthy

> > society with

> > > > more understanding and mutual respect only .Even i know rpsing

> > was false

> > > > id ,but i allow it to pass all opinions ,u can see even today

> > some one

> > > > crticized me ,i dont care what others think as i blv every body

> > has rite

> > > > to say their opinions .

> > > >

> > > > ur welcome to the group and u can also present ur opinions ,

> > > >

> > > > By the way sri ram was official god of pheroh s of egypt and i

> > find a

> > > > document that ramayana was blved by them ,Even u can see the

> > pharoah s

> > > > of egypt the creaters of great pyramids who lived 5000 or 6000

> > years b4

> > > > has their name ramses_1 or ramses -2 like this .Actualy that

> > document

> > > > given to me by a egyptologist --i think its missing from my

> > collection

> > > > at home town .They cal king dasa ratha as dasruth and valmiki as

> > > > BALMISHKI like this ,may be it s wrong or forged document

> > also .But

> > > > those who know history know that all kings of egypt has their

> > title

> > > > along with names Ramsess.

> > > >

> > > > so think ramayana was celebrated in differrent part of the

> > world ,Tai

> > > > landis blv all happened in their mother land ,even they will

show

> > u

> > > > ayodhya ,and seetha ji birth place and other minute details in

> > thier

> > > > geography .

> > > >

> > > > In palastine there is a place known as Ramallah .It arabic the

> > word

> > > > murram(the noun form of ram ) meaning is lakhshya or aim or

maarga

> > > > ,those who know arabic can correct me .

> > > >

> > > > so think a democratic discussion will not harm any interests it

> > will

> > > > empower only the real dharma .

> > > >

> > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > >

> > > > Om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

> > > >

> > > > Ps --Sree nadh ji is away for a official work so pls bear with

us

> > for

> > > > starting any discussions within 3 or 4 days .

> > > >

> > > > Thinks discussion means it is not winning over any body ,we r

> > knowing

> > > > more only each parties ,so no one way imparting of opinions will

> > be

> > > > possible here .

> > > >

> > > > <%

> > 40>,

> > > > " Bharat - Hindu Astrology "

> > > > <astrologyhindu@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste Sri Mishra

> > > > >

> > > > > Idiots are those who talk nonsense about Ramayana and Sage

> > Valmiki.

> > > > Such

> > > > > people are on a self destruct as they do not understand

> > anything that

> > > > makes

> > > > > sense. After the derogatory remarks of peabrained Karunanidhi,

> > I guess

> > > > it

> > > > > has become fashionable to talk nonsense. If remarks were made

> > that

> > > > were

> > > > > derogatory and abusive against Hinduism, you can file a report

> > and the

> > > > > person may be arrested too. You can take printouts of the

emails

> > > > (including

> > > > > the headers) as proof.

> > > > >

> > > > > This person is known to make vile comments about others. He

> > abused a

> > > > few

> > > > > members here too.

> > > > >

> > > > > He brings a bad name to kerala jyotish and also to the members

> > who

> > > > support

> > > > > him.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > > Bharat

> > > > >

> > > > > On 10/18/07, litsol litsol@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sunil Nair Ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I just joined ur group, , I m

shocked

> > to see

> > > > > > the way ur favorite Sreenadh is abusing Sage Valmiki and

> > Ramayana

> > > > > > with his handful knowledge and the way u r silently

> > supporting to

> > > > > > him. pls. dont be a double standard person, collect ur

> > courage to

> > > > > > stop him.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pls. dont allow him to play with our own heritage, dont give

> > him

> > > > > > clean chit.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If he has so much to say and proove, ask him to join this

> > group and

> > > > i

> > > > > > m ready to show a mirror to him in which he could see his

> > dirty

> > > > face.

> > > > > > I m shocked to see that you are supporting to him. Pls. dont

> > do

> > > > > > this. I have cleared IAS prelims with Indian History ,

> > though, right

> > > > > > now, i have no book of history with me, I m able to give him

> > proper

> > > > > > replies to shut his mouth up.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I know u wont like me saying openly this in the group but to

> > blast

> > > > > > any conspiracy open fight is manadatory. convey my challange

> > to him.

> > > > > > my id in yr group is : astro.caro

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Lalit Mishra.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

October 20, 2007

Hare ramakrishna,

respected bhaskar ji .

namaskar ,very sad to hear that ur fahter is having ill health ,i am

praying to god for him to get well soon .

hoping to hear some good news soon .

i know u r busy so pls dont reply in haste ,take ur own time .

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

> Hare ramakrishna,

>

> respected bhaskar ji and sri bharath ji ,

>

> As u all know what is the role of moderater ,i neither pro or anti .My

> duty is to pass all mails which does not contain any hate or with

> content .I even allowed to pass hate mails against me since i think in

> democracy ,when we r doing a duty i cannot put my views .

>

> my back grounds or any liking there .

>

> lalit out of enthusism saw some body attacking me and he also took up

it

> .

>

> Our scripture or sastras as u know may be lot of interpolations and

> missing parts .so if some one enquiring that no harm in it .

>

> even in past may be we r naked ,it means shud i bann some body because

> he said the truth .

>

> let us b more clear in our mind .

>

> i am sick and lil down and doing work with what ever available time

> ,today also i talked to lalit to concentrate on countering if u hav

any

> views

>

> also for next few days or a month i wont be doing the moderation of

the

> grp .

>

> i dont know how my name come in between .

>

> for helping hindutwa ,i hav a diffrnt plan than shouting like this .we

> shud address the ppls problems in basic way ,wen converting they dont

> think which is right or wrong ,only economic helps and further

facility

> is attracting them .

>

> Since i am from kerala i know tactic of all religious ppl ,our hindus

> limit to some issues .and others concentrate on core areas .That is

the

> differrence .

>

> I hav seen economic growth and status of harijans who converted in one

> generation in TN and Andra pradesh .EVen u can see democrafic or

sensces

> records says low percentage which is untrue .

>

> Pls dont bother to reply my mail as i write from here and there .

>

> Only community in world who cannot digest fellow men as their brothers

> and blood boiling ,it itself is showing were r we heading .I think

> bharath ji is memeber of the grp ,so u can see nay mail and show were

is

> my contribution to controversy .

>

> I think once in bhaskarjis grp one man because of he is Nair and he

> was attacking another hindu guru (who died in 1925) and he wanted to

> prove his superiority over others and i dont spare him ,bhaskarji may

be

> knowing it .He was calling a hindu saint by his caste not ready to

> respect him because he is low caste .this how we protect hindutwa and

we

> lament why those ppl getting converted .here rich can support 5 needy

> each min and those five will support atleast 2 ,so our india will be

> vibrant .

>

> In TN the temple brahmins are paid rs500/- as salary and do u think

even

> own community memebers dont care them .As they r lucky in IPS and IAS

> and SW fields and i know in next 20 years no body wanted to take up

that

> job .Same is the case in kerala but differrent way as no girls wanted

to

> marry a preist or astrologer as all others are in gulf or US or forign

> countries and earning good money .

>

> here in north india the discussion whether astrologer shud be paid or

> kicked in face is not decided yet .

>

> thanks and regrds

>

> sunil nair

>

> om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

>

> , " Bhaskar " bhaskar_jyotish@

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear all,

> >

> > Leave this fellow Sreenadh alone, unless he confronts

> > anyone of us directly,or talks rubbish in any assembly

> > where any of us are present. The unworthy

> > fade away on their own, with the passage of time without

> > anyone having to lift a finger.

> > Though I have not visited this Forum which you people

> > mentioned, where he has spoken derogatorily about Ramayana

> > or Valmiki,because of 3 reasons-

> > 1) I dont have much spare time on my hands.

> > 2) My blood boils when I read rubbish against Hinduism,

> > scriptures or against venerated Sages.and my retaliation

> > is not very decent for a good public.

> > 3) As you mentioned if it is Shri Sunil Nairjis Forum,

> > then I wont be able to do anything with blood being boiled,

> > because though I know Shri Sunilji through these Forums and

> > respect him, he may not allow my writings to come on board,

> > in reply to dirty utterances by Sreenadh.

> >

> > I have already faced and challenged Sreenadh on 2 Forums,

> > 1) Jyotish remedies

> > 2) This Forum itself,

> >

> > but he ran away for shelter, and was not able to reply

> > my astrological challenges, though I am a most ordinary

> > astrologer , and have not read or mastered the Shastras,

> > as he himself clams to have done,

> > yet he could not answer answer this ordinary astrologers

> > simple queries.

> > In this Forum, he abused me before running away, and I

> > did not abuse him back, only for 3 reasons,

> >

> > 1) I did not wish to dirty myself.

> > 2) I wish to maintain sanctity of this Forum.

> > 3) Do not wish to be thrown out of here. (Honestly speaking).

> >

> > It takes time for maturity to arrive in some people,

> > sometimes it comes earlier, and sometimes later.

> > If a man looses his parents or near and dear ones

> > early (Or late) then some maturity arrives, or when he

> > faces sufferings in Life, then some maturity arrives,

> > and in some cases, even after seeing all of above, maturity

> > does not arrive.

> >

> > But whether maturity arrives or not, no educated person,

> > and specially a person practicing astrology, has any right

> > or authority to talk dirty of the old epics, Incarnations

> > of God, and the Sages of Yore.

> > Valmiki is a Rishi who forms a member of the inner circle

> > of God,and who has the power to create Universes, just by

> > thoughts and ideas entering in his mind he has the power to

> > create worlds. How can we ordinary mortals have the guts to

> > talk otherwise of such great people who are the Mentors of

> > our forefathers .

> >

> > This is sacrilege in my Dictionary, sorry, but in My India,

> > if I was a ruler, there would be only capital punishment

> > for this, and no lesser punishment would give me satisfaction.

> > In the name of secularism,these people have created partitions

> > in India, these are the weak links in our India, through whom

> > the'Invaders have entered our great country.

> > These are the traitors of India, who form the support of the

> > minorities, who are now fast turning into majority in many

> > areas of India, and who are a threat to the Ram Rajya of

> > Satyuga which will arrive once more.

> > These people are the ones who, on small favours received dont

> > mind converting into other religions, and thus adding to the

> > Minority numbers, who are not here for progress of India, but

> > just looking for quotas, special incentives, reserved seats ,

> > donations through Government, to spread their dirty lots more

> > and garbage the whole areas they infest.

> >

> > Sreenadh should also be treated like one, above, and left

> > alone, till one of us becomes the ruler of this country,

> > or if he starts his mischief in our presence. I certainly

> > wish to bring Ramrajya in this country,

> > someday when I join Politics actively, probably after 10

> > years, because I know once I come on the top level

> > they will not allow me to live for long, because thats what

> > I am going to do with them too. It will be one of us.

> > There would be no corruption, no bribes, no quotas, no rapes,

> > robberies or crimes in My India, because I would immediately

> > sort it out there and then with a strict punishment.

> > My India would be a complete India with all my territories

> > taken back and made a whole, including Pakistan, Bangladesh ,

> > and parts of Ch..., Ti..., and Afg........

> > I have a long list for My India, but better do it then talk.

> > But till the time I am there, I hope to bring about a change

> > in this country. God willing it should come. But first let me

> > complete my duties to the family where I have been born first,

> > to a reasonable level.

> >

> > Sorry,though I am aware of the content of the mails appearing on

> > the Group, I am not able to participate actively, because My Father

> > is suffering ill health since last 3 days, and was available for him

> > and thus could not spend time writing here.

> >

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > , " litsol " litsol@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Bharat Ji,

> > >

> > > Sunil Nair is is mere a scapegoat, That Srinadh has been using him

> > > for his own interests, he w'd have thought, he is the only

> > > knowledgable guy in india and all others who are in

are

> > > stupids, timids.

> > >

> > > I have kicked out him at his face and now he himself is not even

> > > coming to his own group, he is the group owner.

> > >

> > > Sunil Ji forgot that he writes " HareRamKrishna " on the top of his

> own

> > > mails and became part of Ramyan - Valmiki abusing mission.

> > >

> > > Any way, a senior vedic astrologer should think what karma he

> himself

> > > is beginning and what consequences he will have to face.

> > >

> > > God made them blind that they did all abussive postings during

> > > Navaratiris only, couldn't realize, Dussehra is so near and all

> ravan

> > > like acts will be burn out.

> > >

> > > God, give them wisdom and make their heart clean !!

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit.

> > >

> > > , " Bharat - Hindu Astrology "

> > > <astrologyhindu@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Namaste Sri Sunil

> > > >

> > > > We have two sets of cultures and religions:

> > > >

> > > > 1. All accepting and non-aggressive: Buddhism, Hinduism,

> > > Zoroastrianism,

> > > > Jews, amongst some others.

> > > > 2. Non-accepting and aggressive: Christian and Muslim

> > > >

> > > > In the 2nd category, usually Christians (mostly the clerics)

> > > use " carrot and

> > > > stick " policy whereas, Muslims (not all but most) use aggression

> by

> > > > violence. With current scenario in the country, when aggressive

> > > religions

> > > > are invading the very culture of the country, it becomes

> imperative

> > > that

> > > > people do speak out and act.

> > > >

> > > > Therefore, before comparing some people who do speak out to

" Osama

> > > Bin

> > > > Laden " and the likes, please think.

> > > >

> > > > Besides, the Supreme Court has recognized the word Hindutva, as

a

> > > national

> > > > unifier - the culture is what keeps our country together, else

> with

> > > 5000+

> > > > languages, countless dialects, different regions, and infinite

> > > differences,

> > > > we are together as one nation. The only part that separated from

> > > India, was

> > > > because of the cultural erosion of our country. It is currently

> > > called

> > > > Pakistan and Bangladesh. The very people who belonged to our

> > > culture were

> > > > converted and made to hate their own country. These are the

> results

> > > of

> > > > aggressive religions.

> > > >

> > > > Therefore, to fight it back is not being " OBL " and I hope you

> shall

> > > refrain

> > > > from such references.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > Bharat

> > > >

> > > > On 10/18/07, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hare ramakrishna,

> > > > >

> > > > > dear lalit mishra .

> > > > >

> > > > > I dont think any discussion on ramayana or valmiki will erode

> the

> > > > > foot hold of a religion or a dharma ( rememebr we cal it

sanatan

> > > dharma)

> > > > > ,like all discussion s we will hav pro and anti opinions .It

> shud

> > > be

> > > > > that way also ,if all r discussing same way it will become an

> > > autocratic

> > > > > discussion only .

> > > > >

> > > > > Let ppl discuss,no body can sppress the truth ,so u r welcome

to

> > > present

> > > > > ur opinions my frnds like sri ANS sarman also write he has

> > > differrences

> > > > > ,but with all respect to all ppl we r doing a healthy

discussion

> > > >dont

> > > > > be like bin ladens ,we r from a culture were all religions

find

> > > the

> > > > > abode and our kings were not worried abt peace full

discussions

> or

> > > > > propogations .But later stages of history it has given way to

> > > force

> > > > > ,alluring ,utilising the poverty to change numbers in their

favr

> .

> > > > >

> > > > > Here the duty entrusted to me was keep moderate the grp ,and

> > > allow all

> > > > > kind of chintas and thoughts .it will evolve a more healthy

> > > society with

> > > > > more understanding and mutual respect only .Even i know rpsing

> > > was false

> > > > > id ,but i allow it to pass all opinions ,u can see even today

> > > some one

> > > > > crticized me ,i dont care what others think as i blv every

body

> > > has rite

> > > > > to say their opinions .

> > > > >

> > > > > ur welcome to the group and u can also present ur opinions ,

> > > > >

> > > > > By the way sri ram was official god of pheroh s of egypt and i

> > > find a

> > > > > document that ramayana was blved by them ,Even u can see the

> > > pharoah s

> > > > > of egypt the creaters of great pyramids who lived 5000 or 6000

> > > years b4

> > > > > has their name ramses_1 or ramses -2 like this .Actualy that

> > > document

> > > > > given to me by a egyptologist --i think its missing from my

> > > collection

> > > > > at home town .They cal king dasa ratha as dasruth and valmiki

as

> > > > > BALMISHKI like this ,may be it s wrong or forged document

> > > also .But

> > > > > those who know history know that all kings of egypt has their

> > > title

> > > > > along with names Ramsess.

> > > > >

> > > > > so think ramayana was celebrated in differrent part of the

> > > world ,Tai

> > > > > landis blv all happened in their mother land ,even they will

> show

> > > u

> > > > > ayodhya ,and seetha ji birth place and other minute details in

> > > thier

> > > > > geography .

> > > > >

> > > > > In palastine there is a place known as Ramallah .It arabic the

> > > word

> > > > > murram(the noun form of ram ) meaning is lakhshya or aim or

> maarga

> > > > > ,those who know arabic can correct me .

> > > > >

> > > > > so think a democratic discussion will not harm any interests

it

> > > will

> > > > > empower only the real dharma .

> > > > >

> > > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > > >

> > > > > Om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

> > > > >

> > > > > Ps --Sree nadh ji is away for a official work so pls bear with

> us

> > > for

> > > > > starting any discussions within 3 or 4 days .

> > > > >

> > > > > Thinks discussion means it is not winning over any body ,we r

> > > knowing

> > > > > more only each parties ,so no one way imparting of opinions

will

> > > be

> > > > > possible here .

> > > > >

> > > > > <%

> > > 40>,

> > > > > " Bharat - Hindu Astrology "

> > > > > <astrologyhindu@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste Sri Mishra

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Idiots are those who talk nonsense about Ramayana and Sage

> > > Valmiki.

> > > > > Such

> > > > > > people are on a self destruct as they do not understand

> > > anything that

> > > > > makes

> > > > > > sense. After the derogatory remarks of peabrained

Karunanidhi,

> > > I guess

> > > > > it

> > > > > > has become fashionable to talk nonsense. If remarks were

made

> > > that

> > > > > were

> > > > > > derogatory and abusive against Hinduism, you can file a

report

> > > and the

> > > > > > person may be arrested too. You can take printouts of the

> emails

> > > > > (including

> > > > > > the headers) as proof.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This person is known to make vile comments about others. He

> > > abused a

> > > > > few

> > > > > > members here too.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > He brings a bad name to kerala jyotish and also to the

members

> > > who

> > > > > support

> > > > > > him.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > > > Bharat

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On 10/18/07, litsol litsol@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sunil Nair Ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I just joined ur group, , I m

> shocked

> > > to see

> > > > > > > the way ur favorite Sreenadh is abusing Sage Valmiki and

> > > Ramayana

> > > > > > > with his handful knowledge and the way u r silently

> > > supporting to

> > > > > > > him. pls. dont be a double standard person, collect ur

> > > courage to

> > > > > > > stop him.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Pls. dont allow him to play with our own heritage, dont

give

> > > him

> > > > > > > clean chit.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If he has so much to say and proove, ask him to join this

> > > group and

> > > > > i

> > > > > > > m ready to show a mirror to him in which he could see his

> > > dirty

> > > > > face.

> > > > > > > I m shocked to see that you are supporting to him. Pls.

dont

> > > do

> > > > > > > this. I have cleared IAS prelims with Indian History ,

> > > though, right

> > > > > > > now, i have no book of history with me, I m able to give

him

> > > proper

> > > > > > > replies to shut his mouth up.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I know u wont like me saying openly this in the group but

to

> > > blast

> > > > > > > any conspiracy open fight is manadatory. convey my

challange

> > > to him.

> > > > > > > my id in yr group is : astro.caro

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Lalit Mishra.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

October 20, 2007

Dear sunil,

Talking Truth has become fashionable. In the name of truth, one can not talk

half truths or blatant lies

just because he felt like it. But there is a limit to it.

Democracy allows you to swing your umbrella but your freedom stops where my

nose starts. In the name of

freedom to speech, you can not talk lies or more important, you can not hurt

others' sentiments.

it is sad that a person like Sreenadh, who is supposed to know sanskrit

verses by heart can talk nonsense ..

I have no objection for him to hold his views. But he should be careful

expressing his views in public forums.

For one, I am a ancient india enthusiast and am incessantly involved in

setting things right, whether they are myths proposed by Nationalists or by

western and Left thinkers. Due to my work, I do have some authority over the

topics in this discussions and all that I can comment about Sreenadh's views

is he is misled and what he expressed is utter nonsense.

regards,

Kishore patnaik

98492 70729

On 10/20/07, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

> Hare ramakrishna,

>

> respected bhaskar ji and sri bharath ji ,

>

> As u all know what is the role of moderater ,i neither pro or anti .My

> duty is to pass all mails which does not contain any hate or with

> content .I even allowed to pass hate mails against me since i think in

> democracy ,when we r doing a duty i cannot put my views .

>

> my back grounds or any liking there .

>

> lalit out of enthusism saw some body attacking me and he also took up it

> .

>

> Our scripture or sastras as u know may be lot of interpolations and

> missing parts .so if some one enquiring that no harm in it .

>

> even in past may be we r naked ,it means shud i bann some body because

> he said the truth .

>

> let us b more clear in our mind .

>

> i am sick and lil down and doing work with what ever available time

> ,today also i talked to lalit to concentrate on countering if u hav any

> views

>

> also for next few days or a month i wont be doing the moderation of the

> grp .

>

> i dont know how my name come in between .

>

> for helping hindutwa ,i hav a diffrnt plan than shouting like this .we

> shud address the ppls problems in basic way ,wen converting they dont

> think which is right or wrong ,only economic helps and further facility

> is attracting them .

>

> Since i am from kerala i know tactic of all religious ppl ,our hindus

> limit to some issues .and others concentrate on core areas .That is the

> differrence .

>

> I hav seen economic growth and status of harijans who converted in one

> generation in TN and Andra pradesh .EVen u can see democrafic or sensces

> records says low percentage which is untrue .

>

> Pls dont bother to reply my mail as i write from here and there .

>

> Only community in world who cannot digest fellow men as their brothers

> and blood boiling ,it itself is showing were r we heading .I think

> bharath ji is memeber of the grp ,so u can see nay mail and show were is

> my contribution to controversy .

>

> I think once in bhaskarjis grp one man because of he is Nair and he

> was attacking another hindu guru (who died in 1925) and he wanted to

> prove his superiority over others and i dont spare him ,bhaskarji may be

> knowing it .He was calling a hindu saint by his caste not ready to

> respect him because he is low caste .this how we protect hindutwa and we

> lament why those ppl getting converted .here rich can support 5 needy

> each min and those five will support atleast 2 ,so our india will be

> vibrant .

>

> In TN the temple brahmins are paid rs500/- as salary and do u think even

> own community memebers dont care them .As they r lucky in IPS and IAS

> and SW fields and i know in next 20 years no body wanted to take up that

> job .Same is the case in kerala but differrent way as no girls wanted to

> marry a preist or astrologer as all others are in gulf or US or forign

> countries and earning good money .

>

> here in north india the discussion whether astrologer shud be paid or

> kicked in face is not decided yet .

>

> thanks and regrds

>

> sunil nair

>

> om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

>

> <%40>,

> " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear all,

> >

> > Leave this fellow Sreenadh alone, unless he confronts

> > anyone of us directly,or talks rubbish in any assembly

> > where any of us are present. The unworthy

> > fade away on their own, with the passage of time without

> > anyone having to lift a finger.

> > Though I have not visited this Forum which you people

> > mentioned, where he has spoken derogatorily about Ramayana

> > or Valmiki,because of 3 reasons-

> > 1) I dont have much spare time on my hands.

> > 2) My blood boils when I read rubbish against Hinduism,

> > scriptures or against venerated Sages.and my retaliation

> > is not very decent for a good public.

> > 3) As you mentioned if it is Shri Sunil Nairjis Forum,

> > then I wont be able to do anything with blood being boiled,

> > because though I know Shri Sunilji through these Forums and

> > respect him, he may not allow my writings to come on board,

> > in reply to dirty utterances by Sreenadh.

> >

> > I have already faced and challenged Sreenadh on 2 Forums,

> > 1) Jyotish remedies

> > 2) This Forum itself,

> >

> > but he ran away for shelter, and was not able to reply

> > my astrological challenges, though I am a most ordinary

> > astrologer , and have not read or mastered the Shastras,

> > as he himself clams to have done,

> > yet he could not answer answer this ordinary astrologers

> > simple queries.

> > In this Forum, he abused me before running away, and I

> > did not abuse him back, only for 3 reasons,

> >

> > 1) I did not wish to dirty myself.

> > 2) I wish to maintain sanctity of this Forum.

> > 3) Do not wish to be thrown out of here. (Honestly speaking).

> >

> > It takes time for maturity to arrive in some people,

> > sometimes it comes earlier, and sometimes later.

> > If a man looses his parents or near and dear ones

> > early (Or late) then some maturity arrives, or when he

> > faces sufferings in Life, then some maturity arrives,

> > and in some cases, even after seeing all of above, maturity

> > does not arrive.

> >

> > But whether maturity arrives or not, no educated person,

> > and specially a person practicing astrology, has any right

> > or authority to talk dirty of the old epics, Incarnations

> > of God, and the Sages of Yore.

> > Valmiki is a Rishi who forms a member of the inner circle

> > of God,and who has the power to create Universes, just by

> > thoughts and ideas entering in his mind he has the power to

> > create worlds. How can we ordinary mortals have the guts to

> > talk otherwise of such great people who are the Mentors of

> > our forefathers .

> >

> > This is sacrilege in my Dictionary, sorry, but in My India,

> > if I was a ruler, there would be only capital punishment

> > for this, and no lesser punishment would give me satisfaction.

> > In the name of secularism,these people have created partitions

> > in India, these are the weak links in our India, through whom

> > the'Invaders have entered our great country.

> > These are the traitors of India, who form the support of the

> > minorities, who are now fast turning into majority in many

> > areas of India, and who are a threat to the Ram Rajya of

> > Satyuga which will arrive once more.

> > These people are the ones who, on small favours received dont

> > mind converting into other religions, and thus adding to the

> > Minority numbers, who are not here for progress of India, but

> > just looking for quotas, special incentives, reserved seats ,

> > donations through Government, to spread their dirty lots more

> > and garbage the whole areas they infest.

> >

> > Sreenadh should also be treated like one, above, and left

> > alone, till one of us becomes the ruler of this country,

> > or if he starts his mischief in our presence. I certainly

> > wish to bring Ramrajya in this country,

> > someday when I join Politics actively, probably after 10

> > years, because I know once I come on the top level

> > they will not allow me to live for long, because thats what

> > I am going to do with them too. It will be one of us.

> > There would be no corruption, no bribes, no quotas, no rapes,

> > robberies or crimes in My India, because I would immediately

> > sort it out there and then with a strict punishment.

> > My India would be a complete India with all my territories

> > taken back and made a whole, including Pakistan, Bangladesh ,

> > and parts of Ch..., Ti..., and Afg........

> > I have a long list for My India, but better do it then talk.

> > But till the time I am there, I hope to bring about a change

> > in this country. God willing it should come. But first let me

> > complete my duties to the family where I have been born first,

> > to a reasonable level.

> >

> > Sorry,though I am aware of the content of the mails appearing on

> > the Group, I am not able to participate actively, because My Father

> > is suffering ill health since last 3 days, and was available for him

> > and thus could not spend time writing here.

> >

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > <%40>,

> " litsol " litsol@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Bharat Ji,

> > >

> > > Sunil Nair is is mere a scapegoat, That Srinadh has been using him

> > > for his own interests, he w'd have thought, he is the only

> > > knowledgable guy in india and all others who are in are

> > > stupids, timids.

> > >

> > > I have kicked out him at his face and now he himself is not even

> > > coming to his own group, he is the group owner.

> > >

> > > Sunil Ji forgot that he writes " HareRamKrishna " on the top of his

> own

> > > mails and became part of Ramyan - Valmiki abusing mission.

> > >

> > > Any way, a senior vedic astrologer should think what karma he

> himself

> > > is beginning and what consequences he will have to face.

> > >

> > > God made them blind that they did all abussive postings during

> > > Navaratiris only, couldn't realize, Dussehra is so near and all

> ravan

> > > like acts will be burn out.

> > >

> > > God, give them wisdom and make their heart clean !!

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit.

> > >

> > > <%40>,

> " Bharat - Hindu Astrology "

> > > <astrologyhindu@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Namaste Sri Sunil

> > > >

> > > > We have two sets of cultures and religions:

> > > >

> > > > 1. All accepting and non-aggressive: Buddhism, Hinduism,

> > > Zoroastrianism,

> > > > Jews, amongst some others.

> > > > 2. Non-accepting and aggressive: Christian and Muslim

> > > >

> > > > In the 2nd category, usually Christians (mostly the clerics)

> > > use " carrot and

> > > > stick " policy whereas, Muslims (not all but most) use aggression

> by

> > > > violence. With current scenario in the country, when aggressive

> > > religions

> > > > are invading the very culture of the country, it becomes

> imperative

> > > that

> > > > people do speak out and act.

> > > >

> > > > Therefore, before comparing some people who do speak out to " Osama

> > > Bin

> > > > Laden " and the likes, please think.

> > > >

> > > > Besides, the Supreme Court has recognized the word Hindutva, as a

> > > national

> > > > unifier - the culture is what keeps our country together, else

> with

> > > 5000+

> > > > languages, countless dialects, different regions, and infinite

> > > differences,

> > > > we are together as one nation. The only part that separated from

> > > India, was

> > > > because of the cultural erosion of our country. It is currently

> > > called

> > > > Pakistan and Bangladesh. The very people who belonged to our

> > > culture were

> > > > converted and made to hate their own country. These are the

> results

> > > of

> > > > aggressive religions.

> > > >

> > > > Therefore, to fight it back is not being " OBL " and I hope you

> shall

> > > refrain

> > > > from such references.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > Bharat

> > > >

> > > > On 10/18/07, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hare ramakrishna,

> > > > >

> > > > > dear lalit mishra .

> > > > >

> > > > > I dont think any discussion on ramayana or valmiki will erode

> the

> > > > > foot hold of a religion or a dharma ( rememebr we cal it sanatan

> > > dharma)

> > > > > ,like all discussion s we will hav pro and anti opinions .It

> shud

> > > be

> > > > > that way also ,if all r discussing same way it will become an

> > > autocratic

> > > > > discussion only .

> > > > >

> > > > > Let ppl discuss,no body can sppress the truth ,so u r welcome to

> > > present

> > > > > ur opinions my frnds like sri ANS sarman also write he has

> > > differrences

> > > > > ,but with all respect to all ppl we r doing a healthy discussion

> > > >dont

> > > > > be like bin ladens ,we r from a culture were all religions find

> > > the

> > > > > abode and our kings were not worried abt peace full discussions

> or

> > > > > propogations .But later stages of history it has given way to

> > > force

> > > > > ,alluring ,utilising the poverty to change numbers in their favr

> .

> > > > >

> > > > > Here the duty entrusted to me was keep moderate the grp ,and

> > > allow all

> > > > > kind of chintas and thoughts .it will evolve a more healthy

> > > society with

> > > > > more understanding and mutual respect only .Even i know rpsing

> > > was false

> > > > > id ,but i allow it to pass all opinions ,u can see even today

> > > some one

> > > > > crticized me ,i dont care what others think as i blv every body

> > > has rite

> > > > > to say their opinions .

> > > > >

> > > > > ur welcome to the group and u can also present ur opinions ,

> > > > >

> > > > > By the way sri ram was official god of pheroh s of egypt and i

> > > find a

> > > > > document that ramayana was blved by them ,Even u can see the

> > > pharoah s

> > > > > of egypt the creaters of great pyramids who lived 5000 or 6000

> > > years b4

> > > > > has their name ramses_1 or ramses -2 like this .Actualy that

> > > document

> > > > > given to me by a egyptologist --i think its missing from my

> > > collection

> > > > > at home town .They cal king dasa ratha as dasruth and valmiki as

> > > > > BALMISHKI like this ,may be it s wrong or forged document

> > > also .But

> > > > > those who know history know that all kings of egypt has their

> > > title

> > > > > along with names Ramsess.

> > > > >

> > > > > so think ramayana was celebrated in differrent part of the

> > > world ,Tai

> > > > > landis blv all happened in their mother land ,even they will

> show

> > > u

> > > > > ayodhya ,and seetha ji birth place and other minute details in

> > > thier

> > > > > geography .

> > > > >

> > > > > In palastine there is a place known as Ramallah .It arabic the

> > > word

> > > > > murram(the noun form of ram ) meaning is lakhshya or aim or

> maarga

> > > > > ,those who know arabic can correct me .

> > > > >

> > > > > so think a democratic discussion will not harm any interests it

> > > will

> > > > > empower only the real dharma .

> > > > >

> > > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > > >

> > > > > Om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

> > > > >

> > > > > Ps --Sree nadh ji is away for a official work so pls bear with

> us

> > > for

> > > > > starting any discussions within 3 or 4 days .

> > > > >

> > > > > Thinks discussion means it is not winning over any body ,we r

> > > knowing

> > > > > more only each parties ,so no one way imparting of opinions will

> > > be

> > > > > possible here .

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

<%40><%

> > > 40>,

> > > > > " Bharat - Hindu Astrology "

> > > > > <astrologyhindu@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste Sri Mishra

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Idiots are those who talk nonsense about Ramayana and Sage

> > > Valmiki.

> > > > > Such

> > > > > > people are on a self destruct as they do not understand

> > > anything that

> > > > > makes

> > > > > > sense. After the derogatory remarks of peabrained Karunanidhi,

> > > I guess

> > > > > it

> > > > > > has become fashionable to talk nonsense. If remarks were made

> > > that

> > > > > were

> > > > > > derogatory and abusive against Hinduism, you can file a report

> > > and the

> > > > > > person may be arrested too. You can take printouts of the

> emails

> > > > > (including

> > > > > > the headers) as proof.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This person is known to make vile comments about others. He

> > > abused a

> > > > > few

> > > > > > members here too.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > He brings a bad name to kerala jyotish and also to the members

> > > who

> > > > > support

> > > > > > him.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > > > Bharat

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On 10/18/07, litsol litsol@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sunil Nair Ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I just joined ur group, , I m

> shocked

> > > to see

> > > > > > > the way ur favorite Sreenadh is abusing Sage Valmiki and

> > > Ramayana

> > > > > > > with his handful knowledge and the way u r silently

> > > supporting to

> > > > > > > him. pls. dont be a double standard person, collect ur

> > > courage to

> > > > > > > stop him.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Pls. dont allow him to play with our own heritage, dont give

> > > him

> > > > > > > clean chit.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If he has so much to say and proove, ask him to join this

> > > group and

> > > > > i

> > > > > > > m ready to show a mirror to him in which he could see his

> > > dirty

> > > > > face.

> > > > > > > I m shocked to see that you are supporting to him. Pls. dont

> > > do

> > > > > > > this. I have cleared IAS prelims with Indian History ,

> > > though, right

> > > > > > > now, i have no book of history with me, I m able to give him

> > > proper

> > > > > > > replies to shut his mouth up.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I know u wont like me saying openly this in the group but to

> > > blast

> > > > > > > any conspiracy open fight is manadatory. convey my challange

> > > to him.

> > > > > > > my id in yr group is : astro.caro

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Lalit Mishra.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

October 20, 2007

Hare ramakrishna,

dear kishore ji .

This scenario was created by my frnd lalit s over enthusiastic

attitude ,since u r group memeber u know ,i never was a party in

discussion ,and what i was doing is only moderation .He posted in all

groups that as if i am doing a anti religious work .

And personaly i dont feel any body talk anything will reduce the quality

of a religion or small winds can shake the strenght .If so otherwise

also no body can help it .

You can express ur views there in group .

from today on wards i am not moderating the group .

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

, " kishore patnaik "

<kishorepatnaik09 wrote:

>

> Dear sunil,

>

> Talking Truth has become fashionable. In the name of truth, one can

not talk

> half truths or blatant lies

> just because he felt like it. But there is a limit to it.

>

> Democracy allows you to swing your umbrella but your freedom stops

where my

> nose starts. In the name of

> freedom to speech, you can not talk lies or more important, you can

not hurt

> others' sentiments.

>

> it is sad that a person like Sreenadh, who is supposed to know

sanskrit

> verses by heart can talk nonsense ..

> I have no objection for him to hold his views. But he should be

careful

> expressing his views in public forums.

>

> For one, I am a ancient india enthusiast and am incessantly involved

in

> setting things right, whether they are myths proposed by Nationalists

or by

> western and Left thinkers. Due to my work, I do have some authority

over the

> topics in this discussions and all that I can comment about Sreenadh's

views

> is he is misled and what he expressed is utter nonsense.

>

> regards,

>

> Kishore patnaik

> 98492 70729

>

> On 10/20/07, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote:

> >

> > Hare ramakrishna,

> >

> > respected bhaskar ji and sri bharath ji ,

> >

> > As u all know what is the role of moderater ,i neither pro or anti

..My

> > duty is to pass all mails which does not contain any hate or with

> > content .I even allowed to pass hate mails against me since i think

in

> > democracy ,when we r doing a duty i cannot put my views .

> >

> > my back grounds or any liking there .

> >

> > lalit out of enthusism saw some body attacking me and he also took

up it

> > .

> >

> > Our scripture or sastras as u know may be lot of interpolations and

> > missing parts .so if some one enquiring that no harm in it .

> >

> > even in past may be we r naked ,it means shud i bann some body

because

> > he said the truth .

> >

> > let us b more clear in our mind .

> >

> > i am sick and lil down and doing work with what ever available time

> > ,today also i talked to lalit to concentrate on countering if u hav

any

> > views

> >

> > also for next few days or a month i wont be doing the moderation of

the

> > grp .

> >

> > i dont know how my name come in between .

> >

> > for helping hindutwa ,i hav a diffrnt plan than shouting like this

..we

> > shud address the ppls problems in basic way ,wen converting they

dont

> > think which is right or wrong ,only economic helps and further

facility

> > is attracting them .

> >

> > Since i am from kerala i know tactic of all religious ppl ,our

hindus

> > limit to some issues .and others concentrate on core areas .That is

the

> > differrence .

> >

> > I hav seen economic growth and status of harijans who converted in

one

> > generation in TN and Andra pradesh .EVen u can see democrafic or

sensces

> > records says low percentage which is untrue .

> >

> > Pls dont bother to reply my mail as i write from here and there .

> >

> > Only community in world who cannot digest fellow men as their

brothers

> > and blood boiling ,it itself is showing were r we heading .I think

> > bharath ji is memeber of the grp ,so u can see nay mail and show

were is

> > my contribution to controversy .

> >

> > I think once in bhaskarjis grp one man because of he is Nair and he

> > was attacking another hindu guru (who died in 1925) and he wanted to

> > prove his superiority over others and i dont spare him ,bhaskarji

may be

> > knowing it .He was calling a hindu saint by his caste not ready to

> > respect him because he is low caste .this how we protect hindutwa

and we

> > lament why those ppl getting converted .here rich can support 5

needy

> > each min and those five will support atleast 2 ,so our india will be

> > vibrant .

> >

> > In TN the temple brahmins are paid rs500/- as salary and do u think

even

> > own community memebers dont care them .As they r lucky in IPS and

IAS

> > and SW fields and i know in next 20 years no body wanted to take up

that

> > job .Same is the case in kerala but differrent way as no girls

wanted to

> > marry a preist or astrologer as all others are in gulf or US or

forign

> > countries and earning good money .

> >

> > here in north india the discussion whether astrologer shud be paid

or

> > kicked in face is not decided yet .

> >

> > thanks and regrds

> >

> > sunil nair

> >

> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

> >

<%40>,

> > " Bhaskar " bhaskar_jyotish@

> >

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear all,

> > >

> > > Leave this fellow Sreenadh alone, unless he confronts

> > > anyone of us directly,or talks rubbish in any assembly

> > > where any of us are present. The unworthy

> > > fade away on their own, with the passage of time without

> > > anyone having to lift a finger.

> > > Though I have not visited this Forum which you people

> > > mentioned, where he has spoken derogatorily about Ramayana

> > > or Valmiki,because of 3 reasons-

> > > 1) I dont have much spare time on my hands.

> > > 2) My blood boils when I read rubbish against Hinduism,

> > > scriptures or against venerated Sages.and my retaliation

> > > is not very decent for a good public.

> > > 3) As you mentioned if it is Shri Sunil Nairjis Forum,

> > > then I wont be able to do anything with blood being boiled,

> > > because though I know Shri Sunilji through these Forums and

> > > respect him, he may not allow my writings to come on board,

> > > in reply to dirty utterances by Sreenadh.

> > >

> > > I have already faced and challenged Sreenadh on 2 Forums,

> > > 1) Jyotish remedies

> > > 2) This Forum itself,

> > >

> > > but he ran away for shelter, and was not able to reply

> > > my astrological challenges, though I am a most ordinary

> > > astrologer , and have not read or mastered the Shastras,

> > > as he himself clams to have done,

> > > yet he could not answer answer this ordinary astrologers

> > > simple queries.

> > > In this Forum, he abused me before running away, and I

> > > did not abuse him back, only for 3 reasons,

> > >

> > > 1) I did not wish to dirty myself.

> > > 2) I wish to maintain sanctity of this Forum.

> > > 3) Do not wish to be thrown out of here. (Honestly speaking).

> > >

> > > It takes time for maturity to arrive in some people,

> > > sometimes it comes earlier, and sometimes later.

> > > If a man looses his parents or near and dear ones

> > > early (Or late) then some maturity arrives, or when he

> > > faces sufferings in Life, then some maturity arrives,

> > > and in some cases, even after seeing all of above, maturity

> > > does not arrive.

> > >

> > > But whether maturity arrives or not, no educated person,

> > > and specially a person practicing astrology, has any right

> > > or authority to talk dirty of the old epics, Incarnations

> > > of God, and the Sages of Yore.

> > > Valmiki is a Rishi who forms a member of the inner circle

> > > of God,and who has the power to create Universes, just by

> > > thoughts and ideas entering in his mind he has the power to

> > > create worlds. How can we ordinary mortals have the guts to

> > > talk otherwise of such great people who are the Mentors of

> > > our forefathers .

> > >

> > > This is sacrilege in my Dictionary, sorry, but in My India,

> > > if I was a ruler, there would be only capital punishment

> > > for this, and no lesser punishment would give me satisfaction.

> > > In the name of secularism,these people have created partitions

> > > in India, these are the weak links in our India, through whom

> > > the'Invaders have entered our great country.

> > > These are the traitors of India, who form the support of the

> > > minorities, who are now fast turning into majority in many

> > > areas of India, and who are a threat to the Ram Rajya of

> > > Satyuga which will arrive once more.

> > > These people are the ones who, on small favours received dont

> > > mind converting into other religions, and thus adding to the

> > > Minority numbers, who are not here for progress of India, but

> > > just looking for quotas, special incentives, reserved seats ,

> > > donations through Government, to spread their dirty lots more

> > > and garbage the whole areas they infest.

> > >

> > > Sreenadh should also be treated like one, above, and left

> > > alone, till one of us becomes the ruler of this country,

> > > or if he starts his mischief in our presence. I certainly

> > > wish to bring Ramrajya in this country,

> > > someday when I join Politics actively, probably after 10

> > > years, because I know once I come on the top level

> > > they will not allow me to live for long, because thats what

> > > I am going to do with them too. It will be one of us.

> > > There would be no corruption, no bribes, no quotas, no rapes,

> > > robberies or crimes in My India, because I would immediately

> > > sort it out there and then with a strict punishment.

> > > My India would be a complete India with all my territories

> > > taken back and made a whole, including Pakistan, Bangladesh ,

> > > and parts of Ch..., Ti..., and Afg........

> > > I have a long list for My India, but better do it then talk.

> > > But till the time I am there, I hope to bring about a change

> > > in this country. God willing it should come. But first let me

> > > complete my duties to the family where I have been born first,

> > > to a reasonable level.

> > >

> > > Sorry,though I am aware of the content of the mails appearing on

> > > the Group, I am not able to participate actively, because My

Father

> > > is suffering ill health since last 3 days, and was available for

him

> > > and thus could not spend time writing here.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

<%40>,

> > " litsol " litsol@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected Bharat Ji,

> > > >

> > > > Sunil Nair is is mere a scapegoat, That Srinadh has been using

him

> > > > for his own interests, he w'd have thought, he is the only

> > > > knowledgable guy in india and all others who are in

are

> > > > stupids, timids.

> > > >

> > > > I have kicked out him at his face and now he himself is not even

> > > > coming to his own group, he is the group owner.

> > > >

> > > > Sunil Ji forgot that he writes " HareRamKrishna " on the top of

his

> > own

> > > > mails and became part of Ramyan - Valmiki abusing mission.

> > > >

> > > > Any way, a senior vedic astrologer should think what karma he

> > himself

> > > > is beginning and what consequences he will have to face.

> > > >

> > > > God made them blind that they did all abussive postings during

> > > > Navaratiris only, couldn't realize, Dussehra is so near and all

> > ravan

> > > > like acts will be burn out.

> > > >

> > > > God, give them wisdom and make their heart clean !!

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit.

> > > >

<%40>,

> > " Bharat - Hindu Astrology "

> > > > <astrologyhindu@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste Sri Sunil

> > > > >

> > > > > We have two sets of cultures and religions:

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. All accepting and non-aggressive: Buddhism, Hinduism,

> > > > Zoroastrianism,

> > > > > Jews, amongst some others.

> > > > > 2. Non-accepting and aggressive: Christian and Muslim

> > > > >

> > > > > In the 2nd category, usually Christians (mostly the clerics)

> > > > use " carrot and

> > > > > stick " policy whereas, Muslims (not all but most) use

aggression

> > by

> > > > > violence. With current scenario in the country, when

aggressive

> > > > religions

> > > > > are invading the very culture of the country, it becomes

> > imperative

> > > > that

> > > > > people do speak out and act.

> > > > >

> > > > > Therefore, before comparing some people who do speak out to

" Osama

> > > > Bin

> > > > > Laden " and the likes, please think.

> > > > >

> > > > > Besides, the Supreme Court has recognized the word Hindutva,

as a

> > > > national

> > > > > unifier - the culture is what keeps our country together, else

> > with

> > > > 5000+

> > > > > languages, countless dialects, different regions, and infinite

> > > > differences,

> > > > > we are together as one nation. The only part that separated

from

> > > > India, was

> > > > > because of the cultural erosion of our country. It is

currently

> > > > called

> > > > > Pakistan and Bangladesh. The very people who belonged to our

> > > > culture were

> > > > > converted and made to hate their own country. These are the

> > results

> > > > of

> > > > > aggressive religions.

> > > > >

> > > > > Therefore, to fight it back is not being " OBL " and I hope you

> > shall

> > > > refrain

> > > > > from such references.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > > Bharat

> > > > >

> > > > > On 10/18/07, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hare ramakrishna,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > dear lalit mishra .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I dont think any discussion on ramayana or valmiki will

erode

> > the

> > > > > > foot hold of a religion or a dharma ( rememebr we cal it

sanatan

> > > > dharma)

> > > > > > ,like all discussion s we will hav pro and anti opinions .It

> > shud

> > > > be

> > > > > > that way also ,if all r discussing same way it will become

an

> > > > autocratic

> > > > > > discussion only .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Let ppl discuss,no body can sppress the truth ,so u r

welcome to

> > > > present

> > > > > > ur opinions my frnds like sri ANS sarman also write he has

> > > > differrences

> > > > > > ,but with all respect to all ppl we r doing a healthy

discussion

> > > > >dont

> > > > > > be like bin ladens ,we r from a culture were all religions

find

> > > > the

> > > > > > abode and our kings were not worried abt peace full

discussions

> > or

> > > > > > propogations .But later stages of history it has given way

to

> > > > force

> > > > > > ,alluring ,utilising the poverty to change numbers in their

favr

> > .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Here the duty entrusted to me was keep moderate the grp ,and

> > > > allow all

> > > > > > kind of chintas and thoughts .it will evolve a more healthy

> > > > society with

> > > > > > more understanding and mutual respect only .Even i know

rpsing

> > > > was false

> > > > > > id ,but i allow it to pass all opinions ,u can see even

today

> > > > some one

> > > > > > crticized me ,i dont care what others think as i blv every

body

> > > > has rite

> > > > > > to say their opinions .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ur welcome to the group and u can also present ur opinions ,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > By the way sri ram was official god of pheroh s of egypt and

i

> > > > find a

> > > > > > document that ramayana was blved by them ,Even u can see the

> > > > pharoah s

> > > > > > of egypt the creaters of great pyramids who lived 5000 or

6000

> > > > years b4

> > > > > > has their name ramses_1 or ramses -2 like this .Actualy that

> > > > document

> > > > > > given to me by a egyptologist --i think its missing from my

> > > > collection

> > > > > > at home town .They cal king dasa ratha as dasruth and

valmiki as

> > > > > > BALMISHKI like this ,may be it s wrong or forged document

> > > > also .But

> > > > > > those who know history know that all kings of egypt has

their

> > > > title

> > > > > > along with names Ramsess.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > so think ramayana was celebrated in differrent part of the

> > > > world ,Tai

> > > > > > landis blv all happened in their mother land ,even they will

> > show

> > > > u

> > > > > > ayodhya ,and seetha ji birth place and other minute details

in

> > > > thier

> > > > > > geography .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In palastine there is a place known as Ramallah .It arabic

the

> > > > word

> > > > > > murram(the noun form of ram ) meaning is lakhshya or aim or

> > maarga

> > > > > > ,those who know arabic can correct me .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > so think a democratic discussion will not harm any interests

it

> > > > will

> > > > > > empower only the real dharma .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ps --Sree nadh ji is away for a official work so pls bear

with

> > us

> > > > for

> > > > > > starting any discussions within 3 or 4 days .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thinks discussion means it is not winning over any body ,we

r

> > > > knowing

> > > > > > more only each parties ,so no one way imparting of opinions

will

> > > > be

> > > > > > possible here .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

<%40><JyotishGrou\

p%

> > > > 40>,

> > > > > > " Bharat - Hindu Astrology "

> > > > > > <astrologyhindu@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaste Sri Mishra

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Idiots are those who talk nonsense about Ramayana and Sage

> > > > Valmiki.

> > > > > > Such

> > > > > > > people are on a self destruct as they do not understand

> > > > anything that

> > > > > > makes

> > > > > > > sense. After the derogatory remarks of peabrained

Karunanidhi,

> > > > I guess

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > has become fashionable to talk nonsense. If remarks were

made

> > > > that

> > > > > > were

> > > > > > > derogatory and abusive against Hinduism, you can file a

report

> > > > and the

> > > > > > > person may be arrested too. You can take printouts of the

> > emails

> > > > > > (including

> > > > > > > the headers) as proof.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This person is known to make vile comments about others.

He

> > > > abused a

> > > > > > few

> > > > > > > members here too.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > He brings a bad name to kerala jyotish and also to the

members

> > > > who

> > > > > > support

> > > > > > > him.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > > > > Bharat

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On 10/18/07, litsol litsol@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Sunil Nair Ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I just joined ur group, , I m

> > shocked

> > > > to see

> > > > > > > > the way ur favorite Sreenadh is abusing Sage Valmiki and

> > > > Ramayana

> > > > > > > > with his handful knowledge and the way u r silently

> > > > supporting to

> > > > > > > > him. pls. dont be a double standard person, collect ur

> > > > courage to

> > > > > > > > stop him.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Pls. dont allow him to play with our own heritage, dont

give

> > > > him

> > > > > > > > clean chit.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If he has so much to say and proove, ask him to join

this

> > > > group and

> > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > m ready to show a mirror to him in which he could see

his

> > > > dirty

> > > > > > face.

> > > > > > > > I m shocked to see that you are supporting to him. Pls.

dont

> > > > do

> > > > > > > > this. I have cleared IAS prelims with Indian History ,

> > > > though, right

> > > > > > > > now, i have no book of history with me, I m able to give

him

> > > > proper

> > > > > > > > replies to shut his mouth up.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I know u wont like me saying openly this in the group

but to

> > > > blast

> > > > > > > > any conspiracy open fight is manadatory. convey my

challange

> > > > to him.

> > > > > > > > my id in yr group is : astro.caro

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

October 20, 2007

Dear Sunil Ji,

I thought u will repent, but no sign of repentance, rather, you are

trying to justify ur so called moderator's role ?

Dear Sunil Ji, where was ur moderator's role when he srinadh was

abusing Valmiki and Ramayan by cooking up stories..

Why u had no dare and interest to ask him to put evidences in his

support of statement, and u urself is not a child, u understand what

is right and wrong, still u thought, u people have got a walk over,

never thought, you will be given more blunt replies and more logical

replies, will be asked suffocating questions...

So, stop degnifying ur's so called moderator's role.

when i started kicking on srinadh's back, u came ahead to do the

duty's of moderators.

now, i wont warn you, u will see tha kalika's dance in ur life and

his life as well, in the ratio of ur's involvement in the conspiracy.

u always know, not a single word of me is mere a word, it has

meanings.

Hare Ram Krishna !

regards,

Lalit.

, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

> Hare ramakrishna,

>

> respected bhaskar ji and sri bharath ji ,

>

> As u all know what is the role of moderater ,i neither pro or

anti .My

> duty is to pass all mails which does not contain any hate or with

> content .I even allowed to pass hate mails against me since i think

in

> democracy ,when we r doing a duty i cannot put my views .

>

> my back grounds or any liking there .

>

> lalit out of enthusism saw some body attacking me and he also took

up it

> .

>

> Our scripture or sastras as u know may be lot of interpolations and

> missing parts .so if some one enquiring that no harm in it .

>

> even in past may be we r naked ,it means shud i bann some body

because

> he said the truth .

>

> let us b more clear in our mind .

>

> i am sick and lil down and doing work with what ever available time

> ,today also i talked to lalit to concentrate on countering if u hav

any

> views

>

> also for next few days or a month i wont be doing the moderation of

the

> grp .

>

> i dont know how my name come in between .

>

> for helping hindutwa ,i hav a diffrnt plan than shouting like

this .we

> shud address the ppls problems in basic way ,wen converting they

dont

> think which is right or wrong ,only economic helps and further

facility

> is attracting them .

>

> Since i am from kerala i know tactic of all religious ppl ,our

hindus

> limit to some issues .and others concentrate on core areas .That is

the

> differrence .

>

> I hav seen economic growth and status of harijans who converted in

one

> generation in TN and Andra pradesh .EVen u can see democrafic or

sensces

> records says low percentage which is untrue .

>

> Pls dont bother to reply my mail as i write from here and there .

>

> Only community in world who cannot digest fellow men as their

brothers

> and blood boiling ,it itself is showing were r we heading .I think

> bharath ji is memeber of the grp ,so u can see nay mail and show

were is

> my contribution to controversy .

>

> I think once in bhaskarjis grp one man because of he is Nair and

he

> was attacking another hindu guru (who died in 1925) and he wanted to

> prove his superiority over others and i dont spare him ,bhaskarji

may be

> knowing it .He was calling a hindu saint by his caste not ready to

> respect him because he is low caste .this how we protect hindutwa

and we

> lament why those ppl getting converted .here rich can support 5

needy

> each min and those five will support atleast 2 ,so our india will be

> vibrant .

>

> In TN the temple brahmins are paid rs500/- as salary and do u think

even

> own community memebers dont care them .As they r lucky in IPS and

IAS

> and SW fields and i know in next 20 years no body wanted to take up

that

> job .Same is the case in kerala but differrent way as no girls

wanted to

> marry a preist or astrologer as all others are in gulf or US or

forign

> countries and earning good money .

>

> here in north india the discussion whether astrologer shud be paid

or

> kicked in face is not decided yet .

>

> thanks and regrds

>

> sunil nair

>

> om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

>

> , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear all,

> >

> > Leave this fellow Sreenadh alone, unless he confronts

> > anyone of us directly,or talks rubbish in any assembly

> > where any of us are present. The unworthy

> > fade away on their own, with the passage of time without

> > anyone having to lift a finger.

> > Though I have not visited this Forum which you people

> > mentioned, where he has spoken derogatorily about Ramayana

> > or Valmiki,because of 3 reasons-

> > 1) I dont have much spare time on my hands.

> > 2) My blood boils when I read rubbish against Hinduism,

> > scriptures or against venerated Sages.and my retaliation

> > is not very decent for a good public.

> > 3) As you mentioned if it is Shri Sunil Nairjis Forum,

> > then I wont be able to do anything with blood being boiled,

> > because though I know Shri Sunilji through these Forums and

> > respect him, he may not allow my writings to come on board,

> > in reply to dirty utterances by Sreenadh.

> >

> > I have already faced and challenged Sreenadh on 2 Forums,

> > 1) Jyotish remedies

> > 2) This Forum itself,

> >

> > but he ran away for shelter, and was not able to reply

> > my astrological challenges, though I am a most ordinary

> > astrologer , and have not read or mastered the Shastras,

> > as he himself clams to have done,

> > yet he could not answer answer this ordinary astrologers

> > simple queries.

> > In this Forum, he abused me before running away, and I

> > did not abuse him back, only for 3 reasons,

> >

> > 1) I did not wish to dirty myself.

> > 2) I wish to maintain sanctity of this Forum.

> > 3) Do not wish to be thrown out of here. (Honestly speaking).

> >

> > It takes time for maturity to arrive in some people,

> > sometimes it comes earlier, and sometimes later.

> > If a man looses his parents or near and dear ones

> > early (Or late) then some maturity arrives, or when he

> > faces sufferings in Life, then some maturity arrives,

> > and in some cases, even after seeing all of above, maturity

> > does not arrive.

> >

> > But whether maturity arrives or not, no educated person,

> > and specially a person practicing astrology, has any right

> > or authority to talk dirty of the old epics, Incarnations

> > of God, and the Sages of Yore.

> > Valmiki is a Rishi who forms a member of the inner circle

> > of God,and who has the power to create Universes, just by

> > thoughts and ideas entering in his mind he has the power to

> > create worlds. How can we ordinary mortals have the guts to

> > talk otherwise of such great people who are the Mentors of

> > our forefathers .

> >

> > This is sacrilege in my Dictionary, sorry, but in My India,

> > if I was a ruler, there would be only capital punishment

> > for this, and no lesser punishment would give me satisfaction.

> > In the name of secularism,these people have created partitions

> > in India, these are the weak links in our India, through whom

> > the'Invaders have entered our great country.

> > These are the traitors of India, who form the support of the

> > minorities, who are now fast turning into majority in many

> > areas of India, and who are a threat to the Ram Rajya of

> > Satyuga which will arrive once more.

> > These people are the ones who, on small favours received dont

> > mind converting into other religions, and thus adding to the

> > Minority numbers, who are not here for progress of India, but

> > just looking for quotas, special incentives, reserved seats ,

> > donations through Government, to spread their dirty lots more

> > and garbage the whole areas they infest.

> >

> > Sreenadh should also be treated like one, above, and left

> > alone, till one of us becomes the ruler of this country,

> > or if he starts his mischief in our presence. I certainly

> > wish to bring Ramrajya in this country,

> > someday when I join Politics actively, probably after 10

> > years, because I know once I come on the top level

> > they will not allow me to live for long, because thats what

> > I am going to do with them too. It will be one of us.

> > There would be no corruption, no bribes, no quotas, no rapes,

> > robberies or crimes in My India, because I would immediately

> > sort it out there and then with a strict punishment.

> > My India would be a complete India with all my territories

> > taken back and made a whole, including Pakistan, Bangladesh ,

> > and parts of Ch..., Ti..., and Afg........

> > I have a long list for My India, but better do it then talk.

> > But till the time I am there, I hope to bring about a change

> > in this country. God willing it should come. But first let me

> > complete my duties to the family where I have been born first,

> > to a reasonable level.

> >

> > Sorry,though I am aware of the content of the mails appearing on

> > the Group, I am not able to participate actively, because My

Father

> > is suffering ill health since last 3 days, and was available for

him

> > and thus could not spend time writing here.

> >

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > , " litsol " litsol@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Bharat Ji,

> > >

> > > Sunil Nair is is mere a scapegoat, That Srinadh has been using

him

> > > for his own interests, he w'd have thought, he is the only

> > > knowledgable guy in india and all others who are in

are

> > > stupids, timids.

> > >

> > > I have kicked out him at his face and now he himself is not even

> > > coming to his own group, he is the group owner.

> > >

> > > Sunil Ji forgot that he writes " HareRamKrishna " on the top of

his

> own

> > > mails and became part of Ramyan - Valmiki abusing mission.

> > >

> > > Any way, a senior vedic astrologer should think what karma he

> himself

> > > is beginning and what consequences he will have to face.

> > >

> > > God made them blind that they did all abussive postings during

> > > Navaratiris only, couldn't realize, Dussehra is so near and all

> ravan

> > > like acts will be burn out.

> > >

> > > God, give them wisdom and make their heart clean !!

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit.

> > >

> > > , " Bharat - Hindu Astrology "

> > > <astrologyhindu@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Namaste Sri Sunil

> > > >

> > > > We have two sets of cultures and religions:

> > > >

> > > > 1. All accepting and non-aggressive: Buddhism, Hinduism,

> > > Zoroastrianism,

> > > > Jews, amongst some others.

> > > > 2. Non-accepting and aggressive: Christian and Muslim

> > > >

> > > > In the 2nd category, usually Christians (mostly the clerics)

> > > use " carrot and

> > > > stick " policy whereas, Muslims (not all but most) use

aggression

> by

> > > > violence. With current scenario in the country, when

aggressive

> > > religions

> > > > are invading the very culture of the country, it becomes

> imperative

> > > that

> > > > people do speak out and act.

> > > >

> > > > Therefore, before comparing some people who do speak out

to " Osama

> > > Bin

> > > > Laden " and the likes, please think.

> > > >

> > > > Besides, the Supreme Court has recognized the word Hindutva,

as a

> > > national

> > > > unifier - the culture is what keeps our country together, else

> with

> > > 5000+

> > > > languages, countless dialects, different regions, and infinite

> > > differences,

> > > > we are together as one nation. The only part that separated

from

> > > India, was

> > > > because of the cultural erosion of our country. It is

currently

> > > called

> > > > Pakistan and Bangladesh. The very people who belonged to our

> > > culture were

> > > > converted and made to hate their own country. These are the

> results

> > > of

> > > > aggressive religions.

> > > >

> > > > Therefore, to fight it back is not being " OBL " and I hope you

> shall

> > > refrain

> > > > from such references.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > Bharat

> > > >

> > > > On 10/18/07, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hare ramakrishna,

> > > > >

> > > > > dear lalit mishra .

> > > > >

> > > > > I dont think any discussion on ramayana or valmiki will

erode

> the

> > > > > foot hold of a religion or a dharma ( rememebr we cal it

sanatan

> > > dharma)

> > > > > ,like all discussion s we will hav pro and anti opinions .It

> shud

> > > be

> > > > > that way also ,if all r discussing same way it will become

an

> > > autocratic

> > > > > discussion only .

> > > > >

> > > > > Let ppl discuss,no body can sppress the truth ,so u r

welcome to

> > > present

> > > > > ur opinions my frnds like sri ANS sarman also write he has

> > > differrences

> > > > > ,but with all respect to all ppl we r doing a healthy

discussion

> > > >dont

> > > > > be like bin ladens ,we r from a culture were all religions

find

> > > the

> > > > > abode and our kings were not worried abt peace full

discussions

> or

> > > > > propogations .But later stages of history it has given way

to

> > > force

> > > > > ,alluring ,utilising the poverty to change numbers in their

favr

> .

> > > > >

> > > > > Here the duty entrusted to me was keep moderate the grp ,and

> > > allow all

> > > > > kind of chintas and thoughts .it will evolve a more healthy

> > > society with

> > > > > more understanding and mutual respect only .Even i know

rpsing

> > > was false

> > > > > id ,but i allow it to pass all opinions ,u can see even

today

> > > some one

> > > > > crticized me ,i dont care what others think as i blv every

body

> > > has rite

> > > > > to say their opinions .

> > > > >

> > > > > ur welcome to the group and u can also present ur opinions ,

> > > > >

> > > > > By the way sri ram was official god of pheroh s of egypt

and i

> > > find a

> > > > > document that ramayana was blved by them ,Even u can see the

> > > pharoah s

> > > > > of egypt the creaters of great pyramids who lived 5000 or

6000

> > > years b4

> > > > > has their name ramses_1 or ramses -2 like this .Actualy that

> > > document

> > > > > given to me by a egyptologist --i think its missing from my

> > > collection

> > > > > at home town .They cal king dasa ratha as dasruth and

valmiki as

> > > > > BALMISHKI like this ,may be it s wrong or forged document

> > > also .But

> > > > > those who know history know that all kings of egypt has

their

> > > title

> > > > > along with names Ramsess.

> > > > >

> > > > > so think ramayana was celebrated in differrent part of the

> > > world ,Tai

> > > > > landis blv all happened in their mother land ,even they will

> show

> > > u

> > > > > ayodhya ,and seetha ji birth place and other minute details

in

> > > thier

> > > > > geography .

> > > > >

> > > > > In palastine there is a place known as Ramallah .It arabic

the

> > > word

> > > > > murram(the noun form of ram ) meaning is lakhshya or aim or

> maarga

> > > > > ,those who know arabic can correct me .

> > > > >

> > > > > so think a democratic discussion will not harm any

interests it

> > > will

> > > > > empower only the real dharma .

> > > > >

> > > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > > >

> > > > > Om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

> > > > >

> > > > > Ps --Sree nadh ji is away for a official work so pls bear

with

> us

> > > for

> > > > > starting any discussions within 3 or 4 days .

> > > > >

> > > > > Thinks discussion means it is not winning over any body ,we

r

> > > knowing

> > > > > more only each parties ,so no one way imparting of opinions

will

> > > be

> > > > > possible here .

> > > > >

> > > > > <%

> > > 40>,

> > > > > " Bharat - Hindu Astrology "

> > > > > <astrologyhindu@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste Sri Mishra

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Idiots are those who talk nonsense about Ramayana and Sage

> > > Valmiki.

> > > > > Such

> > > > > > people are on a self destruct as they do not understand

> > > anything that

> > > > > makes

> > > > > > sense. After the derogatory remarks of peabrained

Karunanidhi,

> > > I guess

> > > > > it

> > > > > > has become fashionable to talk nonsense. If remarks were

made

> > > that

> > > > > were

> > > > > > derogatory and abusive against Hinduism, you can file a

report

> > > and the

> > > > > > person may be arrested too. You can take printouts of the

> emails

> > > > > (including

> > > > > > the headers) as proof.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This person is known to make vile comments about others.

He

> > > abused a

> > > > > few

> > > > > > members here too.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > He brings a bad name to kerala jyotish and also to the

members

> > > who

> > > > > support

> > > > > > him.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > > > Bharat

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On 10/18/07, litsol litsol@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sunil Nair Ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I just joined ur group, , I m

> shocked

> > > to see

> > > > > > > the way ur favorite Sreenadh is abusing Sage Valmiki and

> > > Ramayana

> > > > > > > with his handful knowledge and the way u r silently

> > > supporting to

> > > > > > > him. pls. dont be a double standard person, collect ur

> > > courage to

> > > > > > > stop him.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Pls. dont allow him to play with our own heritage, dont

give

> > > him

> > > > > > > clean chit.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If he has so much to say and proove, ask him to join

this

> > > group and

> > > > > i

> > > > > > > m ready to show a mirror to him in which he could see

his

> > > dirty

> > > > > face.

> > > > > > > I m shocked to see that you are supporting to him. Pls.

dont

> > > do

> > > > > > > this. I have cleared IAS prelims with Indian History ,

> > > though, right

> > > > > > > now, i have no book of history with me, I m able to

give him

> > > proper

> > > > > > > replies to shut his mouth up.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I know u wont like me saying openly this in the group

but to

> > > blast

> > > > > > > any conspiracy open fight is manadatory. convey my

challange

> > > to him.

> > > > > > > my id in yr group is : astro.caro

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Lalit Mishra.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

October 20, 2007

On the one hand abusing " Ramayan and Valmiki " despite writing " Hare

Ram Krishna " in all the mail and on the other praying " God " .

Wake Up Sunil Ji,

It's ur good karma that you are constantly listennig the voice to

wake up, repent and stop abusing spree, dont support abusing spree.

regards,

Lalit.

, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

> Hare ramakrishna,

>

> respected bhaskar ji .

>

> namaskar ,very sad to hear that ur fahter is having ill health ,i am

> praying to god for him to get well soon .

>

> hoping to hear some good news soon .

>

> i know u r busy so pls dont reply in haste ,take ur own time .

>

> regrds sunil nair

>

> om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

>

> , " sunil nair "

> <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> >

> > Hare ramakrishna,

> >

> > respected bhaskar ji and sri bharath ji ,

> >

> > As u all know what is the role of moderater ,i neither pro or

anti .My

> > duty is to pass all mails which does not contain any hate or with

> > content .I even allowed to pass hate mails against me since i

think in

> > democracy ,when we r doing a duty i cannot put my views .

> >

> > my back grounds or any liking there .

> >

> > lalit out of enthusism saw some body attacking me and he also

took up

> it

> > .

> >

> > Our scripture or sastras as u know may be lot of interpolations

and

> > missing parts .so if some one enquiring that no harm in it .

> >

> > even in past may be we r naked ,it means shud i bann some body

because

> > he said the truth .

> >

> > let us b more clear in our mind .

> >

> > i am sick and lil down and doing work with what ever available

time

> > ,today also i talked to lalit to concentrate on countering if u

hav

> any

> > views

> >

> > also for next few days or a month i wont be doing the moderation

of

> the

> > grp .

> >

> > i dont know how my name come in between .

> >

> > for helping hindutwa ,i hav a diffrnt plan than shouting like

this .we

> > shud address the ppls problems in basic way ,wen converting they

dont

> > think which is right or wrong ,only economic helps and further

> facility

> > is attracting them .

> >

> > Since i am from kerala i know tactic of all religious ppl ,our

hindus

> > limit to some issues .and others concentrate on core areas .That

is

> the

> > differrence .

> >

> > I hav seen economic growth and status of harijans who converted

in one

> > generation in TN and Andra pradesh .EVen u can see democrafic or

> sensces

> > records says low percentage which is untrue .

> >

> > Pls dont bother to reply my mail as i write from here and there .

> >

> > Only community in world who cannot digest fellow men as their

brothers

> > and blood boiling ,it itself is showing were r we heading .I think

> > bharath ji is memeber of the grp ,so u can see nay mail and show

were

> is

> > my contribution to controversy .

> >

> > I think once in bhaskarjis grp one man because of he is Nair and

he

> > was attacking another hindu guru (who died in 1925) and he wanted

to

> > prove his superiority over others and i dont spare him ,bhaskarji

may

> be

> > knowing it .He was calling a hindu saint by his caste not ready to

> > respect him because he is low caste .this how we protect hindutwa

and

> we

> > lament why those ppl getting converted .here rich can support 5

needy

> > each min and those five will support atleast 2 ,so our india will

be

> > vibrant .

> >

> > In TN the temple brahmins are paid rs500/- as salary and do u

think

> even

> > own community memebers dont care them .As they r lucky in IPS and

IAS

> > and SW fields and i know in next 20 years no body wanted to take

up

> that

> > job .Same is the case in kerala but differrent way as no girls

wanted

> to

> > marry a preist or astrologer as all others are in gulf or US or

forign

> > countries and earning good money .

> >

> > here in north india the discussion whether astrologer shud be

paid or

> > kicked in face is not decided yet .

> >

> > thanks and regrds

> >

> > sunil nair

> >

> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

> >

> > , " Bhaskar " bhaskar_jyotish@

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear all,

> > >

> > > Leave this fellow Sreenadh alone, unless he confronts

> > > anyone of us directly,or talks rubbish in any assembly

> > > where any of us are present. The unworthy

> > > fade away on their own, with the passage of time without

> > > anyone having to lift a finger.

> > > Though I have not visited this Forum which you people

> > > mentioned, where he has spoken derogatorily about Ramayana

> > > or Valmiki,because of 3 reasons-

> > > 1) I dont have much spare time on my hands.

> > > 2) My blood boils when I read rubbish against Hinduism,

> > > scriptures or against venerated Sages.and my retaliation

> > > is not very decent for a good public.

> > > 3) As you mentioned if it is Shri Sunil Nairjis Forum,

> > > then I wont be able to do anything with blood being boiled,

> > > because though I know Shri Sunilji through these Forums and

> > > respect him, he may not allow my writings to come on board,

> > > in reply to dirty utterances by Sreenadh.

> > >

> > > I have already faced and challenged Sreenadh on 2 Forums,

> > > 1) Jyotish remedies

> > > 2) This Forum itself,

> > >

> > > but he ran away for shelter, and was not able to reply

> > > my astrological challenges, though I am a most ordinary

> > > astrologer , and have not read or mastered the Shastras,

> > > as he himself clams to have done,

> > > yet he could not answer answer this ordinary astrologers

> > > simple queries.

> > > In this Forum, he abused me before running away, and I

> > > did not abuse him back, only for 3 reasons,

> > >

> > > 1) I did not wish to dirty myself.

> > > 2) I wish to maintain sanctity of this Forum.

> > > 3) Do not wish to be thrown out of here. (Honestly speaking).

> > >

> > > It takes time for maturity to arrive in some people,

> > > sometimes it comes earlier, and sometimes later.

> > > If a man looses his parents or near and dear ones

> > > early (Or late) then some maturity arrives, or when he

> > > faces sufferings in Life, then some maturity arrives,

> > > and in some cases, even after seeing all of above, maturity

> > > does not arrive.

> > >

> > > But whether maturity arrives or not, no educated person,

> > > and specially a person practicing astrology, has any right

> > > or authority to talk dirty of the old epics, Incarnations

> > > of God, and the Sages of Yore.

> > > Valmiki is a Rishi who forms a member of the inner circle

> > > of God,and who has the power to create Universes, just by

> > > thoughts and ideas entering in his mind he has the power to

> > > create worlds. How can we ordinary mortals have the guts to

> > > talk otherwise of such great people who are the Mentors of

> > > our forefathers .

> > >

> > > This is sacrilege in my Dictionary, sorry, but in My India,

> > > if I was a ruler, there would be only capital punishment

> > > for this, and no lesser punishment would give me satisfaction.

> > > In the name of secularism,these people have created partitions

> > > in India, these are the weak links in our India, through whom

> > > the'Invaders have entered our great country.

> > > These are the traitors of India, who form the support of the

> > > minorities, who are now fast turning into majority in many

> > > areas of India, and who are a threat to the Ram Rajya of

> > > Satyuga which will arrive once more.

> > > These people are the ones who, on small favours received dont

> > > mind converting into other religions, and thus adding to the

> > > Minority numbers, who are not here for progress of India, but

> > > just looking for quotas, special incentives, reserved seats ,

> > > donations through Government, to spread their dirty lots more

> > > and garbage the whole areas they infest.

> > >

> > > Sreenadh should also be treated like one, above, and left

> > > alone, till one of us becomes the ruler of this country,

> > > or if he starts his mischief in our presence. I certainly

> > > wish to bring Ramrajya in this country,

> > > someday when I join Politics actively, probably after 10

> > > years, because I know once I come on the top level

> > > they will not allow me to live for long, because thats what

> > > I am going to do with them too. It will be one of us.

> > > There would be no corruption, no bribes, no quotas, no rapes,

> > > robberies or crimes in My India, because I would immediately

> > > sort it out there and then with a strict punishment.

> > > My India would be a complete India with all my territories

> > > taken back and made a whole, including Pakistan, Bangladesh ,

> > > and parts of Ch..., Ti..., and Afg........

> > > I have a long list for My India, but better do it then talk.

> > > But till the time I am there, I hope to bring about a change

> > > in this country. God willing it should come. But first let me

> > > complete my duties to the family where I have been born first,

> > > to a reasonable level.

> > >

> > > Sorry,though I am aware of the content of the mails appearing on

> > > the Group, I am not able to participate actively, because My

Father

> > > is suffering ill health since last 3 days, and was available

for him

> > > and thus could not spend time writing here.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > , " litsol " litsol@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected Bharat Ji,

> > > >

> > > > Sunil Nair is is mere a scapegoat, That Srinadh has been

using him

> > > > for his own interests, he w'd have thought, he is the only

> > > > knowledgable guy in india and all others who are in

group

> are

> > > > stupids, timids.

> > > >

> > > > I have kicked out him at his face and now he himself is not

even

> > > > coming to his own group, he is the group owner.

> > > >

> > > > Sunil Ji forgot that he writes " HareRamKrishna " on the top of

his

> > own

> > > > mails and became part of Ramyan - Valmiki abusing mission.

> > > >

> > > > Any way, a senior vedic astrologer should think what karma he

> > himself

> > > > is beginning and what consequences he will have to face.

> > > >

> > > > God made them blind that they did all abussive postings during

> > > > Navaratiris only, couldn't realize, Dussehra is so near and

all

> > ravan

> > > > like acts will be burn out.

> > > >

> > > > God, give them wisdom and make their heart clean !!

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit.

> > > >

> > > > , " Bharat - Hindu

Astrology "

> > > > <astrologyhindu@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste Sri Sunil

> > > > >

> > > > > We have two sets of cultures and religions:

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. All accepting and non-aggressive: Buddhism, Hinduism,

> > > > Zoroastrianism,

> > > > > Jews, amongst some others.

> > > > > 2. Non-accepting and aggressive: Christian and Muslim

> > > > >

> > > > > In the 2nd category, usually Christians (mostly the clerics)

> > > > use " carrot and

> > > > > stick " policy whereas, Muslims (not all but most) use

aggression

> > by

> > > > > violence. With current scenario in the country, when

aggressive

> > > > religions

> > > > > are invading the very culture of the country, it becomes

> > imperative

> > > > that

> > > > > people do speak out and act.

> > > > >

> > > > > Therefore, before comparing some people who do speak out to

> " Osama

> > > > Bin

> > > > > Laden " and the likes, please think.

> > > > >

> > > > > Besides, the Supreme Court has recognized the word

Hindutva, as

> a

> > > > national

> > > > > unifier - the culture is what keeps our country together,

else

> > with

> > > > 5000+

> > > > > languages, countless dialects, different regions, and

infinite

> > > > differences,

> > > > > we are together as one nation. The only part that separated

from

> > > > India, was

> > > > > because of the cultural erosion of our country. It is

currently

> > > > called

> > > > > Pakistan and Bangladesh. The very people who belonged to our

> > > > culture were

> > > > > converted and made to hate their own country. These are the

> > results

> > > > of

> > > > > aggressive religions.

> > > > >

> > > > > Therefore, to fight it back is not being " OBL " and I hope

you

> > shall

> > > > refrain

> > > > > from such references.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > > Bharat

> > > > >

> > > > > On 10/18/07, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hare ramakrishna,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > dear lalit mishra .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I dont think any discussion on ramayana or valmiki will

erode

> > the

> > > > > > foot hold of a religion or a dharma ( rememebr we cal it

> sanatan

> > > > dharma)

> > > > > > ,like all discussion s we will hav pro and anti

opinions .It

> > shud

> > > > be

> > > > > > that way also ,if all r discussing same way it will

become an

> > > > autocratic

> > > > > > discussion only .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Let ppl discuss,no body can sppress the truth ,so u r

welcome

> to

> > > > present

> > > > > > ur opinions my frnds like sri ANS sarman also write he has

> > > > differrences

> > > > > > ,but with all respect to all ppl we r doing a healthy

> discussion

> > > > >dont

> > > > > > be like bin ladens ,we r from a culture were all religions

> find

> > > > the

> > > > > > abode and our kings were not worried abt peace full

> discussions

> > or

> > > > > > propogations .But later stages of history it has given

way to

> > > > force

> > > > > > ,alluring ,utilising the poverty to change numbers in

their

> favr

> > .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Here the duty entrusted to me was keep moderate the

grp ,and

> > > > allow all

> > > > > > kind of chintas and thoughts .it will evolve a more

healthy

> > > > society with

> > > > > > more understanding and mutual respect only .Even i know

rpsing

> > > > was false

> > > > > > id ,but i allow it to pass all opinions ,u can see even

today

> > > > some one

> > > > > > crticized me ,i dont care what others think as i blv every

> body

> > > > has rite

> > > > > > to say their opinions .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ur welcome to the group and u can also present ur

opinions ,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > By the way sri ram was official god of pheroh s of egypt

and i

> > > > find a

> > > > > > document that ramayana was blved by them ,Even u can see

the

> > > > pharoah s

> > > > > > of egypt the creaters of great pyramids who lived 5000 or

6000

> > > > years b4

> > > > > > has their name ramses_1 or ramses -2 like this .Actualy

that

> > > > document

> > > > > > given to me by a egyptologist --i think its missing from

my

> > > > collection

> > > > > > at home town .They cal king dasa ratha as dasruth and

valmiki

> as

> > > > > > BALMISHKI like this ,may be it s wrong or forged document

> > > > also .But

> > > > > > those who know history know that all kings of egypt has

their

> > > > title

> > > > > > along with names Ramsess.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > so think ramayana was celebrated in differrent part of the

> > > > world ,Tai

> > > > > > landis blv all happened in their mother land ,even they

will

> > show

> > > > u

> > > > > > ayodhya ,and seetha ji birth place and other minute

details in

> > > > thier

> > > > > > geography .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In palastine there is a place known as Ramallah .It

arabic the

> > > > word

> > > > > > murram(the noun form of ram ) meaning is lakhshya or aim

or

> > maarga

> > > > > > ,those who know arabic can correct me .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > so think a democratic discussion will not harm any

interests

> it

> > > > will

> > > > > > empower only the real dharma .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ps --Sree nadh ji is away for a official work so pls bear

with

> > us

> > > > for

> > > > > > starting any discussions within 3 or 4 days .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thinks discussion means it is not winning over any

body ,we r

> > > > knowing

> > > > > > more only each parties ,so no one way imparting of

opinions

> will

> > > > be

> > > > > > possible here .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <%

> > > > 40>,

> > > > > > " Bharat - Hindu Astrology "

> > > > > > <astrologyhindu@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaste Sri Mishra

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Idiots are those who talk nonsense about Ramayana and

Sage

> > > > Valmiki.

> > > > > > Such

> > > > > > > people are on a self destruct as they do not understand

> > > > anything that

> > > > > > makes

> > > > > > > sense. After the derogatory remarks of peabrained

> Karunanidhi,

> > > > I guess

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > has become fashionable to talk nonsense. If remarks were

> made

> > > > that

> > > > > > were

> > > > > > > derogatory and abusive against Hinduism, you can file a

> report

> > > > and the

> > > > > > > person may be arrested too. You can take printouts of

the

> > emails

> > > > > > (including

> > > > > > > the headers) as proof.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This person is known to make vile comments about

others. He

> > > > abused a

> > > > > > few

> > > > > > > members here too.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > He brings a bad name to kerala jyotish and also to the

> members

> > > > who

> > > > > > support

> > > > > > > him.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > > > > Bharat

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On 10/18/07, litsol litsol@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Sunil Nair Ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I just joined ur group, , I m

> > shocked

> > > > to see

> > > > > > > > the way ur favorite Sreenadh is abusing Sage Valmiki

and

> > > > Ramayana

> > > > > > > > with his handful knowledge and the way u r silently

> > > > supporting to

> > > > > > > > him. pls. dont be a double standard person, collect ur

> > > > courage to

> > > > > > > > stop him.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Pls. dont allow him to play with our own heritage,

dont

> give

> > > > him

> > > > > > > > clean chit.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If he has so much to say and proove, ask him to join

this

> > > > group and

> > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > m ready to show a mirror to him in which he could see

his

> > > > dirty

> > > > > > face.

> > > > > > > > I m shocked to see that you are supporting to him.

Pls.

> dont

> > > > do

> > > > > > > > this. I have cleared IAS prelims with Indian History ,

> > > > though, right

> > > > > > > > now, i have no book of history with me, I m able to

give

> him

> > > > proper

> > > > > > > > replies to shut his mouth up.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I know u wont like me saying openly this in the group

but

> to

> > > > blast

> > > > > > > > any conspiracy open fight is manadatory. convey my

> challange

> > > > to him.

> > > > > > > > my id in yr group is : astro.caro

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

October 20, 2007

Namaste Sri Sunil

Democracy has its laws too. Democracy is not free for all type of

government. So in name of Democracy, if you are allowing everything, it

amounts to justification and makes a mockery of the system of justice.

Being pro and anti is not the question. Misrepresentation of the Truth, the

scriptural knowledge and abuse of the principles on which our culture

stands, is something anti-national as well as destructive. If we stand mute

spectators to such provocation, it would amount to cowardice and

foolishness.

We aren't shouting over here and your remark seems as if to say that we are

a bunch of over reactive fundamentalists. I am sorry to say that your

suggestion is derogatory and amounts to disrespect the members in question.

Kindly refrain from the same. Secondly, you have no clue what each one of us

is doing for our culture and its protection. To suggest that we are talking

merely is a short sighted and disturbing judgment from your side.

You are suggesting that social ills are only pretaining to Hindu Dharma.

This is another example of a shortsighted judgment from you. Perhaps you

have no idea that social ills of different kinds exist in every country and

every religion. These social ills pervade all societies since they are born

out of the irreligious - want of power, wealth at the expense of the others.

The Hindu Dharma seeks to eradicate these problems through knowledge as

ignorance of real goal in life, brings these problems. However, the

aggressive religions use money carrot and forcefulness in increasing numbers

such that they pervade into the society as virus, destroying the very fabric

of life and culture. See what has happened to Egyptian civilization and

their knowledge, Greeks, Persians, Mayan, .... all bit the dust through

these " virul infections " . In turn the world lost enormous body of knowledge

and cultures.

By handing someone some money the clerics take away his culture, his sense

of being and most of all his real purpose of Moksha and denounce him a

" Sinner " just because he was born of human beings. As if it is the child's

mistake to be born from parents, and not fall from the sky! These mudha

buddhis go against the results given by the Lord itself. If Lord has made me

born in a hindu family, who is anyone to convert me?

Therefore, let us not make this topic of the relevance of Hindu dharma and

focus on one man's misinterpretations and abuse of the dharma and the

culture that founded it.

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

On 10/20/07, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

> Hare ramakrishna,

>

> respected bhaskar ji and sri bharath ji ,

>

> As u all know what is the role of moderater ,i neither pro or anti .My

> duty is to pass all mails which does not contain any hate or with

> content .I even allowed to pass hate mails against me since i think in

> democracy ,when we r doing a duty i cannot put my views .

>

> my back grounds or any liking there .

>

> lalit out of enthusism saw some body attacking me and he also took up it

> .

>

> Our scripture or sastras as u know may be lot of interpolations and

> missing parts .so if some one enquiring that no harm in it .

>

> even in past may be we r naked ,it means shud i bann some body because

> he said the truth .

>

> let us b more clear in our mind .

>

> i am sick and lil down and doing work with what ever available time

> ,today also i talked to lalit to concentrate on countering if u hav any

> views

>

> also for next few days or a month i wont be doing the moderation of the

> grp .

>

> i dont know how my name come in between .

>

> for helping hindutwa ,i hav a diffrnt plan than shouting like this .we

> shud address the ppls problems in basic way ,wen converting they dont

> think which is right or wrong ,only economic helps and further facility

> is attracting them .

>

> Since i am from kerala i know tactic of all religious ppl ,our hindus

> limit to some issues .and others concentrate on core areas .That is the

> differrence .

>

> I hav seen economic growth and status of harijans who converted in one

> generation in TN and Andra pradesh .EVen u can see democrafic or sensces

> records says low percentage which is untrue .

>

> Pls dont bother to reply my mail as i write from here and there .

>

> Only community in world who cannot digest fellow men as their brothers

> and blood boiling ,it itself is showing were r we heading .I think

> bharath ji is memeber of the grp ,so u can see nay mail and show were is

> my contribution to controversy .

>

> I think once in bhaskarjis grp one man because of he is Nair and he

> was attacking another hindu guru (who died in 1925) and he wanted to

> prove his superiority over others and i dont spare him ,bhaskarji may be

> knowing it .He was calling a hindu saint by his caste not ready to

> respect him because he is low caste .this how we protect hindutwa and we

> lament why those ppl getting converted .here rich can support 5 needy

> each min and those five will support atleast 2 ,so our india will be

> vibrant .

>

> In TN the temple brahmins are paid rs500/- as salary and do u think even

> own community memebers dont care them .As they r lucky in IPS and IAS

> and SW fields and i know in next 20 years no body wanted to take up that

> job .Same is the case in kerala but differrent way as no girls wanted to

> marry a preist or astrologer as all others are in gulf or US or forign

> countries and earning good money .

>

> here in north india the discussion whether astrologer shud be paid or

> kicked in face is not decided yet .

>

> thanks and regrds

>

> sunil nair

>

> om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

>

> <%40>,

> " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear all,

> >

> > Leave this fellow Sreenadh alone, unless he confronts

> > anyone of us directly,or talks rubbish in any assembly

> > where any of us are present. The unworthy

> > fade away on their own, with the passage of time without

> > anyone having to lift a finger.

> > Though I have not visited this Forum which you people

> > mentioned, where he has spoken derogatorily about Ramayana

> > or Valmiki,because of 3 reasons-

> > 1) I dont have much spare time on my hands.

> > 2) My blood boils when I read rubbish against Hinduism,

> > scriptures or against venerated Sages.and my retaliation

> > is not very decent for a good public.

> > 3) As you mentioned if it is Shri Sunil Nairjis Forum,

> > then I wont be able to do anything with blood being boiled,

> > because though I know Shri Sunilji through these Forums and

> > respect him, he may not allow my writings to come on board,

> > in reply to dirty utterances by Sreenadh.

> >

> > I have already faced and challenged Sreenadh on 2 Forums,

> > 1) Jyotish remedies

> > 2) This Forum itself,

> >

> > but he ran away for shelter, and was not able to reply

> > my astrological challenges, though I am a most ordinary

> > astrologer , and have not read or mastered the Shastras,

> > as he himself clams to have done,

> > yet he could not answer answer this ordinary astrologers

> > simple queries.

> > In this Forum, he abused me before running away, and I

> > did not abuse him back, only for 3 reasons,

> >

> > 1) I did not wish to dirty myself.

> > 2) I wish to maintain sanctity of this Forum.

> > 3) Do not wish to be thrown out of here. (Honestly speaking).

> >

> > It takes time for maturity to arrive in some people,

> > sometimes it comes earlier, and sometimes later.

> > If a man looses his parents or near and dear ones

> > early (Or late) then some maturity arrives, or when he

> > faces sufferings in Life, then some maturity arrives,

> > and in some cases, even after seeing all of above, maturity

> > does not arrive.

> >

> > But whether maturity arrives or not, no educated person,

> > and specially a person practicing astrology, has any right

> > or authority to talk dirty of the old epics, Incarnations

> > of God, and the Sages of Yore.

> > Valmiki is a Rishi who forms a member of the inner circle

> > of God,and who has the power to create Universes, just by

> > thoughts and ideas entering in his mind he has the power to

> > create worlds. How can we ordinary mortals have the guts to

> > talk otherwise of such great people who are the Mentors of

> > our forefathers .

> >

> > This is sacrilege in my Dictionary, sorry, but in My India,

> > if I was a ruler, there would be only capital punishment

> > for this, and no lesser punishment would give me satisfaction.

> > In the name of secularism,these people have created partitions

> > in India, these are the weak links in our India, through whom

> > the'Invaders have entered our great country.

> > These are the traitors of India, who form the support of the

> > minorities, who are now fast turning into majority in many

> > areas of India, and who are a threat to the Ram Rajya of

> > Satyuga which will arrive once more.

> > These people are the ones who, on small favours received dont

> > mind converting into other religions, and thus adding to the

> > Minority numbers, who are not here for progress of India, but

> > just looking for quotas, special incentives, reserved seats ,

> > donations through Government, to spread their dirty lots more

> > and garbage the whole areas they infest.

> >

> > Sreenadh should also be treated like one, above, and left

> > alone, till one of us becomes the ruler of this country,

> > or if he starts his mischief in our presence. I certainly

> > wish to bring Ramrajya in this country,

> > someday when I join Politics actively, probably after 10

> > years, because I know once I come on the top level

> > they will not allow me to live for long, because thats what

> > I am going to do with them too. It will be one of us.

> > There would be no corruption, no bribes, no quotas, no rapes,

> > robberies or crimes in My India, because I would immediately

> > sort it out there and then with a strict punishment.

> > My India would be a complete India with all my territories

> > taken back and made a whole, including Pakistan, Bangladesh ,

> > and parts of Ch..., Ti..., and Afg........

> > I have a long list for My India, but better do it then talk.

> > But till the time I am there, I hope to bring about a change

> > in this country. God willing it should come. But first let me

> > complete my duties to the family where I have been born first,

> > to a reasonable level.

> >

> > Sorry,though I am aware of the content of the mails appearing on

> > the Group, I am not able to participate actively, because My Father

> > is suffering ill health since last 3 days, and was available for him

> > and thus could not spend time writing here.

> >

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > <%40>,

> " litsol " litsol@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Bharat Ji,

> > >

> > > Sunil Nair is is mere a scapegoat, That Srinadh has been using him

> > > for his own interests, he w'd have thought, he is the only

> > > knowledgable guy in india and all others who are in are

> > > stupids, timids.

> > >

> > > I have kicked out him at his face and now he himself is not even

> > > coming to his own group, he is the group owner.

> > >

> > > Sunil Ji forgot that he writes " HareRamKrishna " on the top of his

> own

> > > mails and became part of Ramyan - Valmiki abusing mission.

> > >

> > > Any way, a senior vedic astrologer should think what karma he

> himself

> > > is beginning and what consequences he will have to face.

> > >

> > > God made them blind that they did all abussive postings during

> > > Navaratiris only, couldn't realize, Dussehra is so near and all

> ravan

> > > like acts will be burn out.

> > >

> > > God, give them wisdom and make their heart clean !!

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit.

> > >

> > > <%40>,

> " Bharat - Hindu Astrology "

> > > <astrologyhindu@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Namaste Sri Sunil

> > > >

> > > > We have two sets of cultures and religions:

> > > >

> > > > 1. All accepting and non-aggressive: Buddhism, Hinduism,

> > > Zoroastrianism,

> > > > Jews, amongst some others.

> > > > 2. Non-accepting and aggressive: Christian and Muslim

> > > >

> > > > In the 2nd category, usually Christians (mostly the clerics)

> > > use " carrot and

> > > > stick " policy whereas, Muslims (not all but most) use aggression

> by

> > > > violence. With current scenario in the country, when aggressive

> > > religions

> > > > are invading the very culture of the country, it becomes

> imperative

> > > that

> > > > people do speak out and act.

> > > >

> > > > Therefore, before comparing some people who do speak out to " Osama

> > > Bin

> > > > Laden " and the likes, please think.

> > > >

> > > > Besides, the Supreme Court has recognized the word Hindutva, as a

> > > national

> > > > unifier - the culture is what keeps our country together, else

> with

> > > 5000+

> > > > languages, countless dialects, different regions, and infinite

> > > differences,

> > > > we are together as one nation. The only part that separated from

> > > India, was

> > > > because of the cultural erosion of our country. It is currently

> > > called

> > > > Pakistan and Bangladesh. The very people who belonged to our

> > > culture were

> > > > converted and made to hate their own country. These are the

> results

> > > of

> > > > aggressive religions.

> > > >

> > > > Therefore, to fight it back is not being " OBL " and I hope you

> shall

> > > refrain

> > > > from such references.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > Bharat

> > > >

> > > > On 10/18/07, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hare ramakrishna,

> > > > >

> > > > > dear lalit mishra .

> > > > >

> > > > > I dont think any discussion on ramayana or valmiki will erode

> the

> > > > > foot hold of a religion or a dharma ( rememebr we cal it sanatan

> > > dharma)

> > > > > ,like all discussion s we will hav pro and anti opinions .It

> shud

> > > be

> > > > > that way also ,if all r discussing same way it will become an

> > > autocratic

> > > > > discussion only .

> > > > >

> > > > > Let ppl discuss,no body can sppress the truth ,so u r welcome to

> > > present

> > > > > ur opinions my frnds like sri ANS sarman also write he has

> > > differrences

> > > > > ,but with all respect to all ppl we r doing a healthy discussion

> > > >dont

> > > > > be like bin ladens ,we r from a culture were all religions find

> > > the

> > > > > abode and our kings were not worried abt peace full discussions

> or

> > > > > propogations .But later stages of history it has given way to

> > > force

> > > > > ,alluring ,utilising the poverty to change numbers in their favr

> .

> > > > >

> > > > > Here the duty entrusted to me was keep moderate the grp ,and

> > > allow all

> > > > > kind of chintas and thoughts .it will evolve a more healthy

> > > society with

> > > > > more understanding and mutual respect only .Even i know rpsing

> > > was false

> > > > > id ,but i allow it to pass all opinions ,u can see even today

> > > some one

> > > > > crticized me ,i dont care what others think as i blv every body

> > > has rite

> > > > > to say their opinions .

> > > > >

> > > > > ur welcome to the group and u can also present ur opinions ,

> > > > >

> > > > > By the way sri ram was official god of pheroh s of egypt and i

> > > find a

> > > > > document that ramayana was blved by them ,Even u can see the

> > > pharoah s

> > > > > of egypt the creaters of great pyramids who lived 5000 or 6000

> > > years b4

> > > > > has their name ramses_1 or ramses -2 like this .Actualy that

> > > document

> > > > > given to me by a egyptologist --i think its missing from my

> > > collection

> > > > > at home town .They cal king dasa ratha as dasruth and valmiki as

> > > > > BALMISHKI like this ,may be it s wrong or forged document

> > > also .But

> > > > > those who know history know that all kings of egypt has their

> > > title

> > > > > along with names Ramsess.

> > > > >

> > > > > so think ramayana was celebrated in differrent part of the

> > > world ,Tai

> > > > > landis blv all happened in their mother land ,even they will

> show

> > > u

> > > > > ayodhya ,and seetha ji birth place and other minute details in

> > > thier

> > > > > geography .

> > > > >

> > > > > In palastine there is a place known as Ramallah .It arabic the

> > > word

> > > > > murram(the noun form of ram ) meaning is lakhshya or aim or

> maarga

> > > > > ,those who know arabic can correct me .

> > > > >

> > > > > so think a democratic discussion will not harm any interests it

> > > will

> > > > > empower only the real dharma .

> > > > >

> > > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > > >

> > > > > Om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

> > > > >

> > > > > Ps --Sree nadh ji is away for a official work so pls bear with

> us

> > > for

> > > > > starting any discussions within 3 or 4 days .

> > > > >

> > > > > Thinks discussion means it is not winning over any body ,we r

> > > knowing

> > > > > more only each parties ,so no one way imparting of opinions will

> > > be

> > > > > possible here .

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

<%40><%

> > > 40>,

> > > > > " Bharat - Hindu Astrology "

> > > > > <astrologyhindu@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste Sri Mishra

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Idiots are those who talk nonsense about Ramayana and Sage

> > > Valmiki.

> > > > > Such

> > > > > > people are on a self destruct as they do not understand

> > > anything that

> > > > > makes

> > > > > > sense. After the derogatory remarks of peabrained Karunanidhi,

> > > I guess

> > > > > it

> > > > > > has become fashionable to talk nonsense. If remarks were made

> > > that

> > > > > were

> > > > > > derogatory and abusive against Hinduism, you can file a report

> > > and the

> > > > > > person may be arrested too. You can take printouts of the

> emails

> > > > > (including

> > > > > > the headers) as proof.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This person is known to make vile comments about others. He

> > > abused a

> > > > > few

> > > > > > members here too.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > He brings a bad name to kerala jyotish and also to the members

> > > who

> > > > > support

> > > > > > him.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > > > Bharat

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On 10/18/07, litsol litsol@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sunil Nair Ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I just joined ur group, , I m

> shocked

> > > to see

> > > > > > > the way ur favorite Sreenadh is abusing Sage Valmiki and

> > > Ramayana

> > > > > > > with his handful knowledge and the way u r silently

> > > supporting to

> > > > > > > him. pls. dont be a double standard person, collect ur

> > > courage to

> > > > > > > stop him.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Pls. dont allow him to play with our own heritage, dont give

> > > him

> > > > > > > clean chit.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If he has so much to say and proove, ask him to join this

> > > group and

> > > > > i

> > > > > > > m ready to show a mirror to him in which he could see his

> > > dirty

> > > > > face.

> > > > > > > I m shocked to see that you are supporting to him. Pls. dont

> > > do

> > > > > > > this. I have cleared IAS prelims with Indian History ,

> > > though, right

> > > > > > > now, i have no book of history with me, I m able to give him

> > > proper

> > > > > > > replies to shut his mouth up.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I know u wont like me saying openly this in the group but to

> > > blast

> > > > > > > any conspiracy open fight is manadatory. convey my challange

> > > to him.

> > > > > > > my id in yr group is : astro.caro

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Lalit Mishra.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

October 20, 2007

Dear Bharat,

Wonderfully worded but I am not sure these people listen.

I am seeing that there is no response from Sreenadh for all the havoc he has

created.

Anyway, it is yet another instance that but for the Hindus themselves, no

body could have vanquished them.

Max Mueller et al were amply helped by likes of Nehru (rem I said likes of

Nehru- don't think they both are contemporaries)

regards,

Kishore patnaik

98492 70729

On 10/20/07, Bharat - Hindu Astrology <astrologyhindu wrote:

>

> Namaste Sri Sunil

>

> Democracy has its laws too. Democracy is not free for all type of

> government. So in name of Democracy, if you are allowing everything, it

> amounts to justification and makes a mockery of the system of justice.

>

> Being pro and anti is not the question. Misrepresentation of the Truth,

> the

> scriptural knowledge and abuse of the principles on which our culture

> stands, is something anti-national as well as destructive. If we stand

> mute

> spectators to such provocation, it would amount to cowardice and

> foolishness.

>

> We aren't shouting over here and your remark seems as if to say that we

> are

> a bunch of over reactive fundamentalists. I am sorry to say that your

> suggestion is derogatory and amounts to disrespect the members in

> question.

> Kindly refrain from the same. Secondly, you have no clue what each one of

> us

> is doing for our culture and its protection. To suggest that we are

> talking

> merely is a short sighted and disturbing judgment from your side.

>

> You are suggesting that social ills are only pretaining to Hindu Dharma.

> This is another example of a shortsighted judgment from you. Perhaps you

> have no idea that social ills of different kinds exist in every country

> and

> every religion. These social ills pervade all societies since they are

> born

> out of the irreligious - want of power, wealth at the expense of the

> others.

> The Hindu Dharma seeks to eradicate these problems through knowledge as

> ignorance of real goal in life, brings these problems. However, the

> aggressive religions use money carrot and forcefulness in increasing

> numbers

> such that they pervade into the society as virus, destroying the very

> fabric

> of life and culture. See what has happened to Egyptian civilization and

> their knowledge, Greeks, Persians, Mayan, .... all bit the dust through

> these " virul infections " . In turn the world lost enormous body of

> knowledge

> and cultures.

>

> By handing someone some money the clerics take away his culture, his sense

> of being and most of all his real purpose of Moksha and denounce him a

> " Sinner " just because he was born of human beings. As if it is the child's

> mistake to be born from parents, and not fall from the sky! These mudha

> buddhis go against the results given by the Lord itself. If Lord has made

> me

> born in a hindu family, who is anyone to convert me?

>

> Therefore, let us not make this topic of the relevance of Hindu dharma and

> focus on one man's misinterpretations and abuse of the dharma and the

> culture that founded it.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

> On 10/20/07, sunil nair

<astro_tellerkerala<astro_tellerkerala%40.co.in>>

> wrote:

> >

> > Hare ramakrishna,

> >

> > respected bhaskar ji and sri bharath ji ,

> >

> > As u all know what is the role of moderater ,i neither pro or anti .My

> > duty is to pass all mails which does not contain any hate or with

> > content .I even allowed to pass hate mails against me since i think in

> > democracy ,when we r doing a duty i cannot put my views .

> >

> > my back grounds or any liking there .

> >

> > lalit out of enthusism saw some body attacking me and he also took up it

> > .

> >

> > Our scripture or sastras as u know may be lot of interpolations and

> > missing parts .so if some one enquiring that no harm in it .

> >

> > even in past may be we r naked ,it means shud i bann some body because

> > he said the truth .

> >

> > let us b more clear in our mind .

> >

> > i am sick and lil down and doing work with what ever available time

> > ,today also i talked to lalit to concentrate on countering if u hav any

> > views

> >

> > also for next few days or a month i wont be doing the moderation of the

> > grp .

> >

> > i dont know how my name come in between .

> >

> > for helping hindutwa ,i hav a diffrnt plan than shouting like this .we

> > shud address the ppls problems in basic way ,wen converting they dont

> > think which is right or wrong ,only economic helps and further facility

> > is attracting them .

> >

> > Since i am from kerala i know tactic of all religious ppl ,our hindus

> > limit to some issues .and others concentrate on core areas .That is the

> > differrence .

> >

> > I hav seen economic growth and status of harijans who converted in one

> > generation in TN and Andra pradesh .EVen u can see democrafic or sensces

> > records says low percentage which is untrue .

> >

> > Pls dont bother to reply my mail as i write from here and there .

> >

> > Only community in world who cannot digest fellow men as their brothers

> > and blood boiling ,it itself is showing were r we heading .I think

> > bharath ji is memeber of the grp ,so u can see nay mail and show were is

> > my contribution to controversy .

> >

> > I think once in bhaskarjis grp one man because of he is Nair and he

> > was attacking another hindu guru (who died in 1925) and he wanted to

> > prove his superiority over others and i dont spare him ,bhaskarji may be

> > knowing it .He was calling a hindu saint by his caste not ready to

> > respect him because he is low caste .this how we protect hindutwa and we

> > lament why those ppl getting converted .here rich can support 5 needy

> > each min and those five will support atleast 2 ,so our india will be

> > vibrant .

> >

> > In TN the temple brahmins are paid rs500/- as salary and do u think even

> > own community memebers dont care them .As they r lucky in IPS and IAS

> > and SW fields and i know in next 20 years no body wanted to take up that

> > job .Same is the case in kerala but differrent way as no girls wanted to

> > marry a preist or astrologer as all others are in gulf or US or forign

> > countries and earning good money .

> >

> > here in north india the discussion whether astrologer shud be paid or

> > kicked in face is not decided yet .

> >

> > thanks and regrds

> >

> > sunil nair

> >

> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

> >

<%40><%40>,

> > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

> >

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear all,

> > >

> > > Leave this fellow Sreenadh alone, unless he confronts

> > > anyone of us directly,or talks rubbish in any assembly

> > > where any of us are present. The unworthy

> > > fade away on their own, with the passage of time without

> > > anyone having to lift a finger.

> > > Though I have not visited this Forum which you people

> > > mentioned, where he has spoken derogatorily about Ramayana

> > > or Valmiki,because of 3 reasons-

> > > 1) I dont have much spare time on my hands.

> > > 2) My blood boils when I read rubbish against Hinduism,

> > > scriptures or against venerated Sages.and my retaliation

> > > is not very decent for a good public.

> > > 3) As you mentioned if it is Shri Sunil Nairjis Forum,

> > > then I wont be able to do anything with blood being boiled,

> > > because though I know Shri Sunilji through these Forums and

> > > respect him, he may not allow my writings to come on board,

> > > in reply to dirty utterances by Sreenadh.

> > >

> > > I have already faced and challenged Sreenadh on 2 Forums,

> > > 1) Jyotish remedies

> > > 2) This Forum itself,

> > >

> > > but he ran away for shelter, and was not able to reply

> > > my astrological challenges, though I am a most ordinary

> > > astrologer , and have not read or mastered the Shastras,

> > > as he himself clams to have done,

> > > yet he could not answer answer this ordinary astrologers

> > > simple queries.

> > > In this Forum, he abused me before running away, and I

> > > did not abuse him back, only for 3 reasons,

> > >

> > > 1) I did not wish to dirty myself.

> > > 2) I wish to maintain sanctity of this Forum.

> > > 3) Do not wish to be thrown out of here. (Honestly speaking).

> > >

> > > It takes time for maturity to arrive in some people,

> > > sometimes it comes earlier, and sometimes later.

> > > If a man looses his parents or near and dear ones

> > > early (Or late) then some maturity arrives, or when he

> > > faces sufferings in Life, then some maturity arrives,

> > > and in some cases, even after seeing all of above, maturity

> > > does not arrive.

> > >

> > > But whether maturity arrives or not, no educated person,

> > > and specially a person practicing astrology, has any right

> > > or authority to talk dirty of the old epics, Incarnations

> > > of God, and the Sages of Yore.

> > > Valmiki is a Rishi who forms a member of the inner circle

> > > of God,and who has the power to create Universes, just by

> > > thoughts and ideas entering in his mind he has the power to

> > > create worlds. How can we ordinary mortals have the guts to

> > > talk otherwise of such great people who are the Mentors of

> > > our forefathers .

> > >

> > > This is sacrilege in my Dictionary, sorry, but in My India,

> > > if I was a ruler, there would be only capital punishment

> > > for this, and no lesser punishment would give me satisfaction.

> > > In the name of secularism,these people have created partitions

> > > in India, these are the weak links in our India, through whom

> > > the'Invaders have entered our great country.

> > > These are the traitors of India, who form the support of the

> > > minorities, who are now fast turning into majority in many

> > > areas of India, and who are a threat to the Ram Rajya of

> > > Satyuga which will arrive once more.

> > > These people are the ones who, on small favours received dont

> > > mind converting into other religions, and thus adding to the

> > > Minority numbers, who are not here for progress of India, but

> > > just looking for quotas, special incentives, reserved seats ,

> > > donations through Government, to spread their dirty lots more

> > > and garbage the whole areas they infest.

> > >

> > > Sreenadh should also be treated like one, above, and left

> > > alone, till one of us becomes the ruler of this country,

> > > or if he starts his mischief in our presence. I certainly

> > > wish to bring Ramrajya in this country,

> > > someday when I join Politics actively, probably after 10

> > > years, because I know once I come on the top level

> > > they will not allow me to live for long, because thats what

> > > I am going to do with them too. It will be one of us.

> > > There would be no corruption, no bribes, no quotas, no rapes,

> > > robberies or crimes in My India, because I would immediately

> > > sort it out there and then with a strict punishment.

> > > My India would be a complete India with all my territories

> > > taken back and made a whole, including Pakistan, Bangladesh ,

> > > and parts of Ch..., Ti..., and Afg........

> > > I have a long list for My India, but better do it then talk.

> > > But till the time I am there, I hope to bring about a change

> > > in this country. God willing it should come. But first let me

> > > complete my duties to the family where I have been born first,

> > > to a reasonable level.

> > >

> > > Sorry,though I am aware of the content of the mails appearing on

> > > the Group, I am not able to participate actively, because My Father

> > > is suffering ill health since last 3 days, and was available for him

> > > and thus could not spend time writing here.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

<%40><%40>,

> > " litsol " litsol@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected Bharat Ji,

> > > >

> > > > Sunil Nair is is mere a scapegoat, That Srinadh has been using him

> > > > for his own interests, he w'd have thought, he is the only

> > > > knowledgable guy in india and all others who are in are

> > > > stupids, timids.

> > > >

> > > > I have kicked out him at his face and now he himself is not even

> > > > coming to his own group, he is the group owner.

> > > >

> > > > Sunil Ji forgot that he writes " HareRamKrishna " on the top of his

> > own

> > > > mails and became part of Ramyan - Valmiki abusing mission.

> > > >

> > > > Any way, a senior vedic astrologer should think what karma he

> > himself

> > > > is beginning and what consequences he will have to face.

> > > >

> > > > God made them blind that they did all abussive postings during

> > > > Navaratiris only, couldn't realize, Dussehra is so near and all

> > ravan

> > > > like acts will be burn out.

> > > >

> > > > God, give them wisdom and make their heart clean !!

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit.

> > > >

<%40><%40>,

> > " Bharat - Hindu Astrology "

> > > > <astrologyhindu@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste Sri Sunil

> > > > >

> > > > > We have two sets of cultures and religions:

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. All accepting and non-aggressive: Buddhism, Hinduism,

> > > > Zoroastrianism,

> > > > > Jews, amongst some others.

> > > > > 2. Non-accepting and aggressive: Christian and Muslim

> > > > >

> > > > > In the 2nd category, usually Christians (mostly the clerics)

> > > > use " carrot and

> > > > > stick " policy whereas, Muslims (not all but most) use aggression

> > by

> > > > > violence. With current scenario in the country, when aggressive

> > > > religions

> > > > > are invading the very culture of the country, it becomes

> > imperative

> > > > that

> > > > > people do speak out and act.

> > > > >

> > > > > Therefore, before comparing some people who do speak out to " Osama

> > > > Bin

> > > > > Laden " and the likes, please think.

> > > > >

> > > > > Besides, the Supreme Court has recognized the word Hindutva, as a

> > > > national

> > > > > unifier - the culture is what keeps our country together, else

> > with

> > > > 5000+

> > > > > languages, countless dialects, different regions, and infinite

> > > > differences,

> > > > > we are together as one nation. The only part that separated from

> > > > India, was

> > > > > because of the cultural erosion of our country. It is currently

> > > > called

> > > > > Pakistan and Bangladesh. The very people who belonged to our

> > > > culture were

> > > > > converted and made to hate their own country. These are the

> > results

> > > > of

> > > > > aggressive religions.

> > > > >

> > > > > Therefore, to fight it back is not being " OBL " and I hope you

> > shall

> > > > refrain

> > > > > from such references.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > > Bharat

> > > > >

> > > > > On 10/18/07, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hare ramakrishna,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > dear lalit mishra .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I dont think any discussion on ramayana or valmiki will erode

> > the

> > > > > > foot hold of a religion or a dharma ( rememebr we cal it sanatan

> > > > dharma)

> > > > > > ,like all discussion s we will hav pro and anti opinions .It

> > shud

> > > > be

> > > > > > that way also ,if all r discussing same way it will become an

> > > > autocratic

> > > > > > discussion only .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Let ppl discuss,no body can sppress the truth ,so u r welcome to

> > > > present

> > > > > > ur opinions my frnds like sri ANS sarman also write he has

> > > > differrences

> > > > > > ,but with all respect to all ppl we r doing a healthy discussion

> > > > >dont

> > > > > > be like bin ladens ,we r from a culture were all religions find

> > > > the

> > > > > > abode and our kings were not worried abt peace full discussions

> > or

> > > > > > propogations .But later stages of history it has given way to

> > > > force

> > > > > > ,alluring ,utilising the poverty to change numbers in their favr

> > .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Here the duty entrusted to me was keep moderate the grp ,and

> > > > allow all

> > > > > > kind of chintas and thoughts .it will evolve a more healthy

> > > > society with

> > > > > > more understanding and mutual respect only .Even i know rpsing

> > > > was false

> > > > > > id ,but i allow it to pass all opinions ,u can see even today

> > > > some one

> > > > > > crticized me ,i dont care what others think as i blv every body

> > > > has rite

> > > > > > to say their opinions .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ur welcome to the group and u can also present ur opinions ,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > By the way sri ram was official god of pheroh s of egypt and i

> > > > find a

> > > > > > document that ramayana was blved by them ,Even u can see the

> > > > pharoah s

> > > > > > of egypt the creaters of great pyramids who lived 5000 or 6000

> > > > years b4

> > > > > > has their name ramses_1 or ramses -2 like this .Actualy that

> > > > document

> > > > > > given to me by a egyptologist --i think its missing from my

> > > > collection

> > > > > > at home town .They cal king dasa ratha as dasruth and valmiki as

> > > > > > BALMISHKI like this ,may be it s wrong or forged document

> > > > also .But

> > > > > > those who know history know that all kings of egypt has their

> > > > title

> > > > > > along with names Ramsess.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > so think ramayana was celebrated in differrent part of the

> > > > world ,Tai

> > > > > > landis blv all happened in their mother land ,even they will

> > show

> > > > u

> > > > > > ayodhya ,and seetha ji birth place and other minute details in

> > > > thier

> > > > > > geography .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In palastine there is a place known as Ramallah .It arabic the

> > > > word

> > > > > > murram(the noun form of ram ) meaning is lakhshya or aim or

> > maarga

> > > > > > ,those who know arabic can correct me .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > so think a democratic discussion will not harm any interests it

> > > > will

> > > > > > empower only the real dharma .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ps --Sree nadh ji is away for a official work so pls bear with

> > us

> > > > for

> > > > > > starting any discussions within 3 or 4 days .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thinks discussion means it is not winning over any body ,we r

> > > > knowing

> > > > > > more only each parties ,so no one way imparting of opinions will

> > > > be

> > > > > > possible here .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <%40>

> <%40><%

> > > > 40>,

> > > > > > " Bharat - Hindu Astrology "

> > > > > > <astrologyhindu@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaste Sri Mishra

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Idiots are those who talk nonsense about Ramayana and Sage

> > > > Valmiki.

> > > > > > Such

> > > > > > > people are on a self destruct as they do not understand

> > > > anything that

> > > > > > makes

> > > > > > > sense. After the derogatory remarks of peabrained Karunanidhi,

> > > > I guess

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > has become fashionable to talk nonsense. If remarks were made

> > > > that

> > > > > > were

> > > > > > > derogatory and abusive against Hinduism, you can file a report

> > > > and the

> > > > > > > person may be arrested too. You can take printouts of the

> > emails

> > > > > > (including

> > > > > > > the headers) as proof.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This person is known to make vile comments about others. He

> > > > abused a

> > > > > > few

> > > > > > > members here too.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > He brings a bad name to kerala jyotish and also to the members

> > > > who

> > > > > > support

> > > > > > > him.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > > > > Bharat

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On 10/18/07, litsol litsol@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Sunil Nair Ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I just joined ur group, , I m

> > shocked

> > > > to see

> > > > > > > > the way ur favorite Sreenadh is abusing Sage Valmiki and

> > > > Ramayana

> > > > > > > > with his handful knowledge and the way u r silently

> > > > supporting to

> > > > > > > > him. pls. dont be a double standard person, collect ur

> > > > courage to

> > > > > > > > stop him.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Pls. dont allow him to play with our own heritage, dont give

> > > > him

> > > > > > > > clean chit.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If he has so much to say and proove, ask him to join this

> > > > group and

> > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > m ready to show a mirror to him in which he could see his

> > > > dirty

> > > > > > face.

> > > > > > > > I m shocked to see that you are supporting to him. Pls. dont

> > > > do

> > > > > > > > this. I have cleared IAS prelims with Indian History ,

> > > > though, right

> > > > > > > > now, i have no book of history with me, I m able to give him

> > > > proper

> > > > > > > > replies to shut his mouth up.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I know u wont like me saying openly this in the group but to

> > > > blast

> > > > > > > > any conspiracy open fight is manadatory. convey my challange

> > > > to him.

> > > > > > > > my id in yr group is : astro.caro

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

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