QUIZ for all School Methods ; ANSWER-12/6 p4

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Dear AG

 

well quite often when the son is clearly on the line of his future than his past

that is wife ahead of mother sure mother does oppose him as well. and do blame

her for brain washing him or doing some trantric act to divert or derail him for

his normal thinking and is become a Jhoru ka ghulam etc.

 

so these mothers do prefer the son also out and do suffer mentally even more.

on the double blow, one disowned by son and the d-i-l hand in it...

 

but quite often this comes if one has a bad or afflicted 12th house

 

that is 8th to 5th all such cases u will find a break up in family post marriage

in relationships between parents and children

 

and this history repeats itself in their cases too when the time comes the DNA

imprint is there.

 

best wishes

 

atma_gnan <atma_gnan wrote:

Prashantji,

 

Yes, she walked out with her husband, who has supported her

throughout this ordeal. From what I understand it seemed that it was

a joint decision, sparked by the preceding events and was not the

usual DIL vs MIL case as the MIL was also opposed to her son.

 

, Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar wrote:

>

> Dear AG,

>

> well as I said I read this like a normal forum post ad what we do

on a face3face case will be multi-dimensional.

>

> but yes I agree we must look at a wider picture at least in a quiz.

>

> I should have taken time to reply but took it like a regular post

here will try to be watchful in future of these.

>

> most imp is in chronic health cases ppl see doctors at the v late

stage and in astrology after the event is over so I am sure the

chance of predicting these r rate for anyone in real life. THE EVENT

IS V common not the chance t o predict these.

>

>

> here i had inferred she has walked out of the house with her

husband not alone isn't?

>

>

>

>

> atma_gnan <atma_gnan wrote:

Prashantji,

>

> The very objective was to apply techniques without any assumed or

> implicit preconceptions. Otherwise the whole process becomes an

> exercise of justifying expectations which amounts to calculated

> guesswork. The interesting result is that the person who came

closest

> on what was a very difficult quiz used a methodology similar to

what

> I had when advising the native. This shows to some extent that

> unexpected events can be predicted by an astrologer by lateral

> thinking. Of course such ability can also be developed through

sheer

> exposure to charts which develops the intuitive faculty, which you

so

> aptly display on these lists on a regular basis.

>

> I can confirm that there were heated disagreements for the days

> building up to the event that culminated in the native leaving the

> house (but not on the level of injury), which can be termed as

> a 'relief' from her perspective at least. Furthermore, after the

> birth of the child the strong parivartan dhan/ yoga between L2 and

L5

> in the 5th house should get activated (again from dasha lagna

taking

> Saturn as L4/L5) so there should be a large stream of wealth from

an

> unexpected source. Again, this may compound the sense of relief

that

> you mentioned.

>

> , Prashant Kumar G B

> <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear AG,

> >

> > well we [who answered] were not on the same page as u were, we

> limited our scope to normal questions we see here and somerare

walk-

> outs r there too. by D-I-L, or old parents on their own too who

> suffer at their children and daughter-in-laws also.

> >

> > anyway case is a good one and has potential for further reading

> later.

> >

> > at least I can say I did not see beyond the surface here on the

> normal questions here only accident I had hinted so is it possible

> they had a heated argument that time I had said was injury prone?

> >

> > again my logic is rahu+kuja in lagna and kuja in transit having

> cast its speel for 4 days prior so a tense time for her as well

and

> the relief came in the next prana or 5th level...!?

> >

> > Best wishes

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Best wishes

> >

> > atma_gnan <atma_gnan@> wrote:

> > I forgot to add that this chart also provides some support for

the

> > concept of retrograde planets 'behaving' as if they are in the

> prior

> > house. Saturn would be L8 in the H4 in Rasi, while from dasha

> lagna

> > it would be L4 in the H12. I have not applied this concept

> > extensively, but it may carry some weight in the context of

this

> > chart.

> >

> > , " atma_gnan "

<atma_gnan@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > All,

> > >

> > > Thank you to those who participated in the quiz. It is

however a

> > > shame that more of the experienced members, who are keen to

> > propagate

> > > the authenticity and excellence of their chosen methods have

> shied

> > > away. Maybe there exists a degree of insecurity that prevents

> > > involvement – but these same people are prolific in

> philosophical

> > > debate which is of little use if there is no practical

> > applicability.

> > >

> > > This was a tough quiz in that delineating the event would

have

> > > required a rigorous analysis and even then the event was not

> > typical,

> > > for example marriage or promotion. For this reason, in light

of

> the

> > > discussions on methodologies, it would have been interesting

to

> > gain

> > > an insight and learn the techniques involved in practical

> > > applications. I stress once more that this quiz was extremely

> > > difficult and the participants' attempts are very much

> appreciated.

> > > The main goal was to learn, not to `win'.

> > >

> > >

> > > 1. Surya Tyagi: Positive development to family.

> > > Method: Rasi alone

> > > 2. Prashantji (GB): Major accident, injury involving air.

> > > Method: Rasi, transit – Raman ayamsha

> > > 3. Kaustubhji: Huge money – lottery or speculation.

> > > Method: Prashna

> > > 4. Anupji: Murder-fatal accident (marriage delay).

> > > Method: Rasi (?)

> > > 5. Prashantji (2) Yup I can tell: Loss of mother.

> > > Method: rasi, transit, lagna dasha, D-12, ATP chart

> > > 6. Amitji: Died in accident

> > > Method: (unknown)

> > > 7. Asstrollger: `Simple case of marriage.

> > > Method: Nakshatra, murutha

> > > 8. Sumitji: Education success/fathers ill health.

> > > Method: Rasi/transit

> > > 9. Rameshji: Failed marriage attempt, loss of father.

> > > Method: Unknown

> > >

> > > Profile of Native : The native is a female, lives abroad, is

> > married

> > > (happily for nearly three years), has no children as of yet

but

> is

> > > pregnant and has had thus far has an average education. Her

> father

> > > and mother both still live, although her father has had

serious

> > life

> > > threatening brain surgery. However this was in the distant

past.

> > >

> > > The event that took place on the evening 13 May:

> > >

> > > After a series of explosive disputes, the native left the

home

> of

> > her

> > > in-laws (with her husband). The added significance of this

event

> is

> > > that she is pregnant (due soon); and that she has had to move

> into

> > > rented accommodation without family support. Therefore the

event

> > > should be apparent in her chart.

> > >

> > > Prashantji (yup_i_can_tell) has come the closest, predicting

> loss

> > of

> > > mother and ruling out any positive event. Conceptually, in

> terms

> > of

> > > pinpointing the 4th house issues of home and mother this is

> > extremely

> > > close, especially as this is not clear from the standalone

rasi

> > > chart. In fact much of the separation was caused by the

mother.

> I

> > > would like to congratulate him and I follow much the same

line

> of

> > > methodology, especially the ATP.

> > >

> > > This native had come to me last year, and on the basis of the

> ATP I

> > > had advised her to stay positive in her relations with her

> mother-

> > in-

> > > law and keep an eye on her health. A strong parivartan yoga

> almost

> > > always leads to a significant event. I stress once again that

> the

> > > rasi must support the indications, and for further confidence

> the

> > > dasha lagna and divisional should be referred to.

> > >

> > > My analysis was as follows:

> > >

> > > I have found the Annual Tithi Pravesha charts to be excellent

in

> > > getting an overview for events for the coming year. My

approach

> is

> > to

> > > always check this chart first, and refer back to the rasi and

> > > appropriate divisional for confirmation of an event. Please

note

> > that

> > > I am not promoting any school, but this is what I have found

to

> be

> > > the most efficient method in my humble experiences.

> > >

> > > Note that the ATP chart shows strong parivartna yoga between

the

> > 4th

> > > and 12th houses. Mars and Moon are the respective lords

> involved.

> > > This clearly indicates separation from home/mother and due to

> the

> > > involvement of Mars and Saturn in the exchange; it can be

> > interpreted

> > > that the separation will be unpleasant.

> > >

> > > Referring back to the rasi, note the powerful aspect of

exalted

> 8th

> > > lord Saturn on the 12th house from the 4th lord (Mercury).

The

> > bhavat

> > > bhavam principle is an extremely powerful tool in this

context.

> > >

> > > Rotating the charts to make Saturn the lagna (dasha lagna),

> Virgo,

> > > the 4th house from normal lagna shifts to house 12, while

> > Capricorn,

> > > 4th house in normal lagna shifts to house 8. Also note the

> strong

> > > influence on the 12th from the 4th (the 3rd house). Ketu is

> placed

> > in

> > > 3rd, while the Sun, Mars (as marak lord) and Rahu all aspect

the

> > 3rd

> > > house.

> > >

> > > In general I use the dasha lagna for clearer indication of

> events

> > > (this can be extended to divisional charts too).

> > >

> > > I emphasise that this is a backward analysis beginning from

the

> ATP

> > > chart, and such indications would be difficult to pick up

> without

> > > prior viewing of the ATP chart and then referring back to the

> rasi.

> > D-

> > > 4 and D-12 also support the above indications.

> > >

> > > Jyoitsh has an array of techniques and methods; all with

their

> > > respective merits and it has been an interesting learning

> > experience

> > > to see how they are applied.

> > >

> > >

> > > I welcome comments and thanks to all that participated.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , Sumit Bajaj

> > > <sumitbajaj2000@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hello All,

> > > >

> > > > I see that there could be some stupendous success in the

> field

> > of

> > > education. While this was going on, there was also some

problem

> to

> > > fathers health for quite a while.

> > > > Jupiters and Saturn transit are responsible for this.

> > > >

> > > > May GOD Bless All

> > > >

> > > > Thanx & Regards.

> > > >

> > > > Sumit Bajaj

> > > >

> > > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > Members

> > > >

> > > > as I know there is another prashant in jyotish groups

called

> > > Prashant doshi, if i remember right apart from me

> > > >

> > > > this new ID that has come sure can't be his or mine, if

this

> > member

> > > is a anstrolger, good, I have only seen him post this week,

he

> has

> > > done one in VA behind mine. I will wait like u all to see

that

> this

> > > is 3rd prashant and not either of the 2 said above

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes

> > > >

> > > > atma_gnan <atma_gnan@> wrote: Prashantji,

> > > >

> > > > Thank you for the detailed analysis.

> > > >

> > > > , " yup_i_can_tell "

> > > > <yup_i_can_tell@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Friend,

> > > > >

> > > > > I reached this conclusion after careful analysis of 2

> hours , I

> > > > > could be wrong but this was my attempt.I am only a humble

> > > beginner

> > > > > of this great science.

> > > > >

> > > > > Well first of all I looked at the dasa operating it is

sat-

> sat-

> > > > > mars...one is 8th lord and another is 6th.Both of them

have

> a

> > > > maraka

> > > > > effect for the 4th house ,moreover sat is conjoined moon

in

> the

> > > > 5th

> > > > > house which is a maraka house for mother and moon being a

> karka

> > > > for

> > > > > mother.the dasa nath is casting malefic aspect on the 4th

> house

> > > > and

> > > > > the antar dasa nath too joins him along with matru karak

> moon

> > on

> > > > the

> > > > > fateful day in the tenth house being marka house for

> > > > mother.Moreover

> > > > > mercury the 4th house lord is in the 12th house and the

> transit

> > > > > mercury was over the natal one along with transit jupiter

> > casting

> > > > > influence from the 6th house....which is also the natal

> maraka

> > > > being

> > > > > in the 7th from 4th house lord.Moreover Rahu too casts

> malefic

> > > > > aspect on the moon and sat conjunction.The dasa scheme

> running

> > at

> > > > > the time using lagna as starting point is Jup-Rah-Mo-Me.

> > > > >

> > > > > I was also tempted to think at one stage that something

> related

> > > to

> > > > > the profession of the person could have happened but

ruled

> it

> > out

> > > > > looking into the D charts.Actually D charts reveal the

true

> > > > > position.If we see the D-12 dasa going on according to

> > vimsottari

> > > > > and narayana dasa they too revealed the same story.The

dasa

> > going

> > > > at

> > > > > the time in D-12 is sun-rahu -jupiter.Sun is in the 7th

> house

> > to

> > > > 4th

> > > > > house in own sign and rahu casts malefic aspect on the

4th

> and

> > > jup

> > > > a

> > > > > maraka sits there.If we use lagna instead of moon for vim

> dasa

> > > the

> > > > > dasa in D-12 is ven-ven-sun-rahu.The maraka effects are

more

> > than

> > > > > understandable.The transits in D-12 are noteworthy.sat

> casting

> > > > > aspect on moon ,sun over moon, rahu in the 4th house ,

> jupiter

> > a

> > > > > maraka for aquarius lagna over sat ,merc too influencing

the

> > > natal

> > > > > postion from seventh.

> > > > >

> > > > > I finally consulted the TP chart for the year.moon being

deb

> in

> > > > the

> > > > > 4th house ,karko bhavo nashya and the TA dasa running at

the

> > time

> > > > is

> > > > > also of Mo-Ra-Ma.Even in D-12 its neecha with rahu and

ketu

> > axis

> > > > > and mars in the 7th from it.sun being the lord of 4th

goes

> in

> > the

> > > > > 10th ,seventh from it.

> > > > >

> > > > > This is my rationale for reaching this conclusion.Correct

me

> if

> > I

> > > > am

> > > > > wrong.I am ready to learn from my mistakes.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Prashant

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > -- In , AMIT JAIN

> <amitj_69@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > HI,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It seems native must have died in an accident most

> probably

> > > > > between 4:30pm to 10 pm

> > > > > >

> > > > > > yup_i_can_tell <yup_i_can_tell@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I think that native must have lost his mother.I rule

out

> > > > marriage

> > > > > > and any other positive development.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -- In , " Anup. M "

> <dalh_1@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Frd,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The native might have met with some fatal accident or

> been

> > > > > > murdered.

> > > > > > > Well regarding marriage i rule out the possibilty of

> > marriage

> > > > > > anyhow due to some reasons.

> > > > > > > Though we can give a thought to this also but a

remote

> > > > > > possibilty though.

> > > > > > > Coz delay has not been covered yet and wld end in 2010

> > > > > > > Just a hint i wanna give, 7th lord is in 6th house.

> > > > > > > No matter who is wrong or right but for the sake of

> > learning,

> > > > > > > we sld solve such quiz leaving our egos aside.

> > > > > > > No body is a master or GOD.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > Anup

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > atma_gnan <atma_gnan@> wrote:

> > > > > > > All,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In light of the recent exchanges discussing the

relative

> > > > > strengths

> > > > > > > and weakness of various approaches, I thought it

would

> be a

> > > > good

> > > > > > time

> > > > > > > to post a quiz. This would at least to some extent

give

> an

> > > > > insight

> > > > > > > into the techniques underpinning any answers, and of

> course

> > > > shed

> > > > > > > light on the most successful methods.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Birth Data:

> > > > > > > 21-06-1983

> > > > > > > 0636AM

> > > > > > > Ahmedabad

> > > > > > > (Mithun Lagna)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Date of event:

> > > > > > > 13 May 2007

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Question:

> > > > > > > What happened on the above date?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Please give some rationale for answers, as this will

> help

> > the

> > > > > > > learners (most of us!)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I shall post answers on 12 June.

> > > > > > >

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> > > > > > >

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