QUIZ for all School Methods ; ANSWER-12/6

June 12, 2007

Dear AG,

well we [who answered] were not on the same page as u were, we limited our scope

to normal questions we see here and somerare walk-outs r there too. by D-I-L, or

old parents on their own too who suffer at their children and daughter-in-laws

also.

anyway case is a good one and has potential for further reading later.

at least I can say I did not see beyond the surface here on the normal

questions here only accident I had hinted so is it possible they had a heated

argument that time I had said was injury prone?

again my logic is rahu+kuja in lagna and kuja in transit having cast its speel

for 4 days prior so a tense time for her as well and the relief came in the next

prana or 5th level...!?

Best wishes

atma_gnan <atma_gnan wrote:

I forgot to add that this chart also provides some support for the

concept of retrograde planets 'behaving' as if they are in the prior

house. Saturn would be L8 in the H4 in Rasi, while from dasha lagna

it would be L4 in the H12. I have not applied this concept

extensively, but it may carry some weight in the context of this

chart.

, " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan

wrote:

>

> All,

>

> Thank you to those who participated in the quiz. It is however a

> shame that more of the experienced members, who are keen to

propagate

> the authenticity and excellence of their chosen methods have shied

> away. Maybe there exists a degree of insecurity that prevents

> involvement – but these same people are prolific in philosophical

> debate which is of little use if there is no practical

applicability.

>

> This was a tough quiz in that delineating the event would have

> required a rigorous analysis and even then the event was not

typical,

> for example marriage or promotion. For this reason, in light of the

> discussions on methodologies, it would have been interesting to

gain

> an insight and learn the techniques involved in practical

> applications. I stress once more that this quiz was extremely

> difficult and the participants' attempts are very much appreciated.

> The main goal was to learn, not to `win'.

>

> 1. Surya Tyagi: Positive development to family.

> Method: Rasi alone

> 2. Prashantji (GB): Major accident, injury involving air.

> Method: Rasi, transit – Raman ayamsha

> 3. Kaustubhji: Huge money – lottery or speculation.

> Method: Prashna

> 4. Anupji: Murder-fatal accident (marriage delay).

> Method: Rasi (?)

> 5. Prashantji (2) Yup I can tell: Loss of mother.

> Method: rasi, transit, lagna dasha, D-12, ATP chart

> 6. Amitji: Died in accident

> Method: (unknown)

> 7. Asstrollger: `Simple case of marriage.

> Method: Nakshatra, murutha

> 8. Sumitji: Education success/fathers ill health.

> Method: Rasi/transit

> 9. Rameshji: Failed marriage attempt, loss of father.

> Method: Unknown

>

> Profile of Native : The native is a female, lives abroad, is

married

> (happily for nearly three years), has no children as of yet but is

> pregnant and has had thus far has an average education. Her father

> and mother both still live, although her father has had serious

life

> threatening brain surgery. However this was in the distant past.

>

> The event that took place on the evening 13 May:

>

> After a series of explosive disputes, the native left the home of

her

> in-laws (with her husband). The added significance of this event is

> that she is pregnant (due soon); and that she has had to move into

> rented accommodation without family support. Therefore the event

> should be apparent in her chart.

>

> Prashantji (yup_i_can_tell) has come the closest, predicting loss

of

> mother and ruling out any positive event. Conceptually, in terms

of

> pinpointing the 4th house issues of home and mother this is

extremely

> close, especially as this is not clear from the standalone rasi

> chart. In fact much of the separation was caused by the mother. I

> would like to congratulate him and I follow much the same line of

> methodology, especially the ATP.

>

> This native had come to me last year, and on the basis of the ATP I

> had advised her to stay positive in her relations with her mother-

in-

> law and keep an eye on her health. A strong parivartan yoga almost

> always leads to a significant event. I stress once again that the

> rasi must support the indications, and for further confidence the

> dasha lagna and divisional should be referred to.

>

> My analysis was as follows:

>

> I have found the Annual Tithi Pravesha charts to be excellent in

> getting an overview for events for the coming year. My approach is

to

> always check this chart first, and refer back to the rasi and

> appropriate divisional for confirmation of an event. Please note

that

> I am not promoting any school, but this is what I have found to be

> the most efficient method in my humble experiences.

>

> Note that the ATP chart shows strong parivartna yoga between the

4th

> and 12th houses. Mars and Moon are the respective lords involved.

> This clearly indicates separation from home/mother and due to the

> involvement of Mars and Saturn in the exchange; it can be

interpreted

> that the separation will be unpleasant.

>

> Referring back to the rasi, note the powerful aspect of exalted 8th

> lord Saturn on the 12th house from the 4th lord (Mercury). The

bhavat

> bhavam principle is an extremely powerful tool in this context.

>

> Rotating the charts to make Saturn the lagna (dasha lagna), Virgo,

> the 4th house from normal lagna shifts to house 12, while

Capricorn,

> 4th house in normal lagna shifts to house 8. Also note the strong

> influence on the 12th from the 4th (the 3rd house). Ketu is placed

in

> 3rd, while the Sun, Mars (as marak lord) and Rahu all aspect the

3rd

> house.

>

> In general I use the dasha lagna for clearer indication of events

> (this can be extended to divisional charts too).

>

> I emphasise that this is a backward analysis beginning from the ATP

> chart, and such indications would be difficult to pick up without

> prior viewing of the ATP chart and then referring back to the rasi.

D-

> 4 and D-12 also support the above indications.

>

> Jyoitsh has an array of techniques and methods; all with their

> respective merits and it has been an interesting learning

experience

> to see how they are applied.

>

> I welcome comments and thanks to all that participated.

>

> , Sumit Bajaj

> <sumitbajaj2000@> wrote:

> >

> > Hello All,

> >

> > I see that there could be some stupendous success in the field

of

> education. While this was going on, there was also some problem to

> fathers health for quite a while.

> > Jupiters and Saturn transit are responsible for this.

> >

> > May GOD Bless All

> >

> > Thanx & Regards.

> >

> > Sumit Bajaj

> >

> > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > Members

> >

> > as I know there is another prashant in jyotish groups called

> Prashant doshi, if i remember right apart from me

> >

> > this new ID that has come sure can't be his or mine, if this

member

> is a anstrolger, good, I have only seen him post this week, he has

> done one in VA behind mine. I will wait like u all to see that this

> is 3rd prashant and not either of the 2 said above

> >

> > Best wishes

> >

> > atma_gnan <atma_gnan@> wrote: Prashantji,

> >

> > Thank you for the detailed analysis.

> >

> > , " yup_i_can_tell "

> > <yup_i_can_tell@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Friend,

> > >

> > > I reached this conclusion after careful analysis of 2 hours , I

> > > could be wrong but this was my attempt.I am only a humble

> beginner

> > > of this great science.

> > >

> > > Well first of all I looked at the dasa operating it is sat-sat-

> > > mars...one is 8th lord and another is 6th.Both of them have a

> > maraka

> > > effect for the 4th house ,moreover sat is conjoined moon in the

> > 5th

> > > house which is a maraka house for mother and moon being a karka

> > for

> > > mother.the dasa nath is casting malefic aspect on the 4th house

> > and

> > > the antar dasa nath too joins him along with matru karak moon

on

> > the

> > > fateful day in the tenth house being marka house for

> > mother.Moreover

> > > mercury the 4th house lord is in the 12th house and the transit

> > > mercury was over the natal one along with transit jupiter

casting

> > > influence from the 6th house....which is also the natal maraka

> > being

> > > in the 7th from 4th house lord.Moreover Rahu too casts malefic

> > > aspect on the moon and sat conjunction.The dasa scheme running

at

> > > the time using lagna as starting point is Jup-Rah-Mo-Me.

> > >

> > > I was also tempted to think at one stage that something related

> to

> > > the profession of the person could have happened but ruled it

out

> > > looking into the D charts.Actually D charts reveal the true

> > > position.If we see the D-12 dasa going on according to

vimsottari

> > > and narayana dasa they too revealed the same story.The dasa

going

> > at

> > > the time in D-12 is sun-rahu -jupiter.Sun is in the 7th house

to

> > 4th

> > > house in own sign and rahu casts malefic aspect on the 4th and

> jup

> > a

> > > maraka sits there.If we use lagna instead of moon for vim dasa

> the

> > > dasa in D-12 is ven-ven-sun-rahu.The maraka effects are more

than

> > > understandable.The transits in D-12 are noteworthy.sat casting

> > > aspect on moon ,sun over moon, rahu in the 4th house , jupiter

a

> > > maraka for aquarius lagna over sat ,merc too influencing the

> natal

> > > postion from seventh.

> > >

> > > I finally consulted the TP chart for the year.moon being deb in

> > the

> > > 4th house ,karko bhavo nashya and the TA dasa running at the

time

> > is

> > > also of Mo-Ra-Ma.Even in D-12 its neecha with rahu and ketu

axis

> > > and mars in the 7th from it.sun being the lord of 4th goes in

the

> > > 10th ,seventh from it.

> > >

> > > This is my rationale for reaching this conclusion.Correct me if

I

> > am

> > > wrong.I am ready to learn from my mistakes.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Prashant

> > >

> > > -- In , AMIT JAIN <amitj_69@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > HI,

> > > >

> > > > It seems native must have died in an accident most probably

> > > between 4:30pm to 10 pm

> > > >

> > > > yup_i_can_tell <yup_i_can_tell@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I think that native must have lost his mother.I rule out

> > marriage

> > > > and any other positive development.

> > > >

> > > > -- In , " Anup. M " <dalh_1@>

> > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Frd,

> > > > >

> > > > > The native might have met with some fatal accident or been

> > > > murdered.

> > > > > Well regarding marriage i rule out the possibilty of

marriage

> > > > anyhow due to some reasons.

> > > > > Though we can give a thought to this also but a remote

> > > > possibilty though.

> > > > > Coz delay has not been covered yet and wld end in 2010

> > > > > Just a hint i wanna give, 7th lord is in 6th house.

> > > > > No matter who is wrong or right but for the sake of

learning,

> > > > > we sld solve such quiz leaving our egos aside.

> > > > > No body is a master or GOD.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Anup

> > > > >

> > > > > atma_gnan <atma_gnan@> wrote:

> > > > > All,

> > > > >

> > > > > In light of the recent exchanges discussing the relative

> > > strengths

> > > > > and weakness of various approaches, I thought it would be a

> > good

> > > > time

> > > > > to post a quiz. This would at least to some extent give an

> > > insight

> > > > > into the techniques underpinning any answers, and of course

> > shed

> > > > > light on the most successful methods.

> > > > >

> > > > > Birth Data:

> > > > > 21-06-1983

> > > > > 0636AM

> > > > > Ahmedabad

> > > > > (Mithun Lagna)

> > > > >

> > > > > Date of event:

> > > > > 13 May 2007

> > > > >

> > > > > Question:

> > > > > What happened on the above date?

> > > > >

> > > > > Please give some rationale for answers, as this will help

the

> > > > > learners (most of us!)

> > > > >

> > > > > I shall post answers on 12 June.

> > > > >

> > > > > Get the toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever

> > > you're

> > > > surfing.

> > > > >

June 12, 2007

Prashantji,

The very objective was to apply techniques without any assumed or

implicit preconceptions. Otherwise the whole process becomes an

exercise of justifying expectations which amounts to calculated

guesswork. The interesting result is that the person who came closest

on what was a very difficult quiz used a methodology similar to what

I had when advising the native. This shows to some extent that

unexpected events can be predicted by an astrologer by lateral

thinking. Of course such ability can also be developed through sheer

exposure to charts which develops the intuitive faculty, which you so

aptly display on these lists on a regular basis.

I can confirm that there were heated disagreements for the days

building up to the event that culminated in the native leaving the

house (but not on the level of injury), which can be termed as

a 'relief' from her perspective at least. Furthermore, after the

birth of the child the strong parivartan dhan/ yoga between L2 and L5

in the 5th house should get activated (again from dasha lagna taking

Saturn as L4/L5) so there should be a large stream of wealth from an

unexpected source. Again, this may compound the sense of relief that

you mentioned.

, Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar wrote:

>

> Dear AG,

>

> well we [who answered] were not on the same page as u were, we

limited our scope to normal questions we see here and somerare walk-

outs r there too. by D-I-L, or old parents on their own too who

suffer at their children and daughter-in-laws also.

>

> anyway case is a good one and has potential for further reading

later.

>

> at least I can say I did not see beyond the surface here on the

normal questions here only accident I had hinted so is it possible

they had a heated argument that time I had said was injury prone?

>

> again my logic is rahu+kuja in lagna and kuja in transit having

cast its speel for 4 days prior so a tense time for her as well and

the relief came in the next prana or 5th level...!?

>

> Best wishes

>

> Best wishes

>

> atma_gnan <atma_gnan wrote:

> I forgot to add that this chart also provides some support for the

> concept of retrograde planets 'behaving' as if they are in the

prior

> house. Saturn would be L8 in the H4 in Rasi, while from dasha

lagna

> it would be L4 in the H12. I have not applied this concept

> extensively, but it may carry some weight in the context of this

> chart.

>

> , " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan@>

> wrote:

> >

> > All,

> >

> > Thank you to those who participated in the quiz. It is however a

> > shame that more of the experienced members, who are keen to

> propagate

> > the authenticity and excellence of their chosen methods have

shied

> > away. Maybe there exists a degree of insecurity that prevents

> > involvement – but these same people are prolific in

philosophical

> > debate which is of little use if there is no practical

> applicability.

> >

> > This was a tough quiz in that delineating the event would have

> > required a rigorous analysis and even then the event was not

> typical,

> > for example marriage or promotion. For this reason, in light of

the

> > discussions on methodologies, it would have been interesting to

> gain

> > an insight and learn the techniques involved in practical

> > applications. I stress once more that this quiz was extremely

> > difficult and the participants' attempts are very much

appreciated.

> > The main goal was to learn, not to `win'.

> >

> > 1. Surya Tyagi: Positive development to family.

> > Method: Rasi alone

> > 2. Prashantji (GB): Major accident, injury involving air.

> > Method: Rasi, transit – Raman ayamsha

> > 3. Kaustubhji: Huge money – lottery or speculation.

> > Method: Prashna

> > 4. Anupji: Murder-fatal accident (marriage delay).

> > Method: Rasi (?)

> > 5. Prashantji (2) Yup I can tell: Loss of mother.

> > Method: rasi, transit, lagna dasha, D-12, ATP chart

> > 6. Amitji: Died in accident

> > Method: (unknown)

> > 7. Asstrollger: `Simple case of marriage.

> > Method: Nakshatra, murutha

> > 8. Sumitji: Education success/fathers ill health.

> > Method: Rasi/transit

> > 9. Rameshji: Failed marriage attempt, loss of father.

> > Method: Unknown

> >

> > Profile of Native : The native is a female, lives abroad, is

> married

> > (happily for nearly three years), has no children as of yet but

is

> > pregnant and has had thus far has an average education. Her

father

> > and mother both still live, although her father has had serious

> life

> > threatening brain surgery. However this was in the distant past.

> >

> > The event that took place on the evening 13 May:

> >

> > After a series of explosive disputes, the native left the home

of

> her

> > in-laws (with her husband). The added significance of this event

is

> > that she is pregnant (due soon); and that she has had to move

into

> > rented accommodation without family support. Therefore the event

> > should be apparent in her chart.

> >

> > Prashantji (yup_i_can_tell) has come the closest, predicting

loss

> of

> > mother and ruling out any positive event. Conceptually, in

terms

> of

> > pinpointing the 4th house issues of home and mother this is

> extremely

> > close, especially as this is not clear from the standalone rasi

> > chart. In fact much of the separation was caused by the mother.

I

> > would like to congratulate him and I follow much the same line

of

> > methodology, especially the ATP.

> >

> > This native had come to me last year, and on the basis of the

ATP I

> > had advised her to stay positive in her relations with her

mother-

> in-

> > law and keep an eye on her health. A strong parivartan yoga

almost

> > always leads to a significant event. I stress once again that

the

> > rasi must support the indications, and for further confidence

the

> > dasha lagna and divisional should be referred to.

> >

> > My analysis was as follows:

> >

> > I have found the Annual Tithi Pravesha charts to be excellent in

> > getting an overview for events for the coming year. My approach

is

> to

> > always check this chart first, and refer back to the rasi and

> > appropriate divisional for confirmation of an event. Please note

> that

> > I am not promoting any school, but this is what I have found to

be

> > the most efficient method in my humble experiences.

> >

> > Note that the ATP chart shows strong parivartna yoga between the

> 4th

> > and 12th houses. Mars and Moon are the respective lords

involved.

> > This clearly indicates separation from home/mother and due to

the

> > involvement of Mars and Saturn in the exchange; it can be

> interpreted

> > that the separation will be unpleasant.

> >

> > Referring back to the rasi, note the powerful aspect of exalted

8th

> > lord Saturn on the 12th house from the 4th lord (Mercury). The

> bhavat

> > bhavam principle is an extremely powerful tool in this context.

> >

> > Rotating the charts to make Saturn the lagna (dasha lagna),

Virgo,

> > the 4th house from normal lagna shifts to house 12, while

> Capricorn,

> > 4th house in normal lagna shifts to house 8. Also note the

strong

> > influence on the 12th from the 4th (the 3rd house). Ketu is

placed

> in

> > 3rd, while the Sun, Mars (as marak lord) and Rahu all aspect the

> 3rd

> > house.

> >

> > In general I use the dasha lagna for clearer indication of

events

> > (this can be extended to divisional charts too).

> >

> > I emphasise that this is a backward analysis beginning from the

ATP

> > chart, and such indications would be difficult to pick up

without

> > prior viewing of the ATP chart and then referring back to the

rasi.

> D-

> > 4 and D-12 also support the above indications.

> >

> > Jyoitsh has an array of techniques and methods; all with their

> > respective merits and it has been an interesting learning

> experience

> > to see how they are applied.

> >

> > I welcome comments and thanks to all that participated.

> >

> > , Sumit Bajaj

> > <sumitbajaj2000@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello All,

> > >

> > > I see that there could be some stupendous success in the

field

> of

> > education. While this was going on, there was also some problem

to

> > fathers health for quite a while.

> > > Jupiters and Saturn transit are responsible for this.

> > >

> > > May GOD Bless All

> > >

> > > Thanx & Regards.

> > >

> > > Sumit Bajaj

> > >

> > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > Members

> > >

> > > as I know there is another prashant in jyotish groups called

> > Prashant doshi, if i remember right apart from me

> > >

> > > this new ID that has come sure can't be his or mine, if this

> member

> > is a anstrolger, good, I have only seen him post this week, he

has

> > done one in VA behind mine. I will wait like u all to see that

this

> > is 3rd prashant and not either of the 2 said above

> > >

> > > Best wishes

> > >

> > > atma_gnan <atma_gnan@> wrote: Prashantji,

> > >

> > > Thank you for the detailed analysis.

> > >

> > > , " yup_i_can_tell "

> > > <yup_i_can_tell@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Friend,

> > > >

> > > > I reached this conclusion after careful analysis of 2

hours , I

> > > > could be wrong but this was my attempt.I am only a humble

> > beginner

> > > > of this great science.

> > > >

> > > > Well first of all I looked at the dasa operating it is sat-

sat-

> > > > mars...one is 8th lord and another is 6th.Both of them have

a

> > > maraka

> > > > effect for the 4th house ,moreover sat is conjoined moon in

the

> > > 5th

> > > > house which is a maraka house for mother and moon being a

karka

> > > for

> > > > mother.the dasa nath is casting malefic aspect on the 4th

house

> > > and

> > > > the antar dasa nath too joins him along with matru karak

moon

> on

> > > the

> > > > fateful day in the tenth house being marka house for

> > > mother.Moreover

> > > > mercury the 4th house lord is in the 12th house and the

transit

> > > > mercury was over the natal one along with transit jupiter

> casting

> > > > influence from the 6th house....which is also the natal

maraka

> > > being

> > > > in the 7th from 4th house lord.Moreover Rahu too casts

malefic

> > > > aspect on the moon and sat conjunction.The dasa scheme

running

> at

> > > > the time using lagna as starting point is Jup-Rah-Mo-Me.

> > > >

> > > > I was also tempted to think at one stage that something

> > > > the profession of the person could have happened but ruled

it

> out

> > > > looking into the D charts.Actually D charts reveal the true

> > > > position.If we see the D-12 dasa going on according to

> vimsottari

> > > > and narayana dasa they too revealed the same story.The dasa

> going

> > > at

> > > > the time in D-12 is sun-rahu -jupiter.Sun is in the 7th

house

> to

> > > 4th

> > > > house in own sign and rahu casts malefic aspect on the 4th

and

> > jup

> > > a

> > > > maraka sits there.If we use lagna instead of moon for vim

dasa

> > the

> > > > dasa in D-12 is ven-ven-sun-rahu.The maraka effects are more

> than

> > > > understandable.The transits in D-12 are noteworthy.sat

casting

> > > > aspect on moon ,sun over moon, rahu in the 4th house ,

jupiter

> a

> > > > maraka for aquarius lagna over sat ,merc too influencing the

> > natal

> > > > postion from seventh.

> > > >

> > > > I finally consulted the TP chart for the year.moon being deb

in

> > > the

> > > > 4th house ,karko bhavo nashya and the TA dasa running at the

> time

> > > is

> > > > also of Mo-Ra-Ma.Even in D-12 its neecha with rahu and ketu

> axis

> > > > and mars in the 7th from it.sun being the lord of 4th goes

in

> the

> > > > 10th ,seventh from it.

> > > >

> > > > This is my rationale for reaching this conclusion.Correct me

if

> I

> > > am

> > > > wrong.I am ready to learn from my mistakes.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Prashant

> > > >

> > > > -- In , AMIT JAIN

<amitj_69@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > HI,

> > > > >

> > > > > It seems native must have died in an accident most

probably

> > > > between 4:30pm to 10 pm

> > > > >

> > > > > yup_i_can_tell <yup_i_can_tell@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > I think that native must have lost his mother.I rule out

> > > marriage

> > > > > and any other positive development.

> > > > >

> > > > > -- In , " Anup. M "

<dalh_1@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Frd,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The native might have met with some fatal accident or

been

> > > > > murdered.

> > > > > > Well regarding marriage i rule out the possibilty of

> marriage

> > > > > anyhow due to some reasons.

> > > > > > Though we can give a thought to this also but a remote

> > > > > possibilty though.

> > > > > > Coz delay has not been covered yet and wld end in 2010

> > > > > > Just a hint i wanna give, 7th lord is in 6th house.

> > > > > > No matter who is wrong or right but for the sake of

> learning,

> > > > > > we sld solve such quiz leaving our egos aside.

> > > > > > No body is a master or GOD.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Anup

> > > > > >

> > > > > > atma_gnan <atma_gnan@> wrote:

> > > > > > All,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In light of the recent exchanges discussing the relative

> > > > strengths

> > > > > > and weakness of various approaches, I thought it would

be a

> > > good

> > > > > time

> > > > > > to post a quiz. This would at least to some extent give

an

> > > > insight

> > > > > > into the techniques underpinning any answers, and of

course

> > > shed

> > > > > > light on the most successful methods.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Birth Data:

> > > > > > 21-06-1983

> > > > > > 0636AM

> > > > > > Ahmedabad

> > > > > > (Mithun Lagna)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Date of event:

> > > > > > 13 May 2007

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Question:

> > > > > > What happened on the above date?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please give some rationale for answers, as this will

help

> the

> > > > > > learners (most of us!)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I shall post answers on 12 June.

> > > > > >

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> > > > > >

June 12, 2007

Dear AG,

well as I said I read this like a normal forum post ad what we do on a face3face

case will be multi-dimensional.

but yes I agree we must look at a wider picture at least in a quiz.

I should have taken time to reply but took it like a regular post here will try

to be watchful in future of these.

most imp is in chronic health cases ppl see doctors at the v late stage and in

astrology after the event is over so I am sure the chance of predicting these r

rate for anyone in real life. THE EVENT IS V common not the chance t o predict

these.

here i had inferred she has walked out of the house with her husband not alone

isn't?