Guest guest Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 All, Thank you to those who participated in the quiz. It is however a shame that more of the experienced members, who are keen to propagate the authenticity and excellence of their chosen methods have shied away. Maybe there exists a degree of insecurity that prevents involvement – but these same people are prolific in philosophical debate which is of little use if there is no practical applicability. This was a tough quiz in that delineating the event would have required a rigorous analysis and even then the event was not typical, for example marriage or promotion. For this reason, in light of the discussions on methodologies, it would have been interesting to gain an insight and learn the techniques involved in practical applications. I stress once more that this quiz was extremely difficult and the participants' attempts are very much appreciated. The main goal was to learn, not to `win'. 1. Surya Tyagi: Positive development to family. Method: Rasi alone 2. Prashantji (GB): Major accident, injury involving air. Method: Rasi, transit – Raman ayamsha 3. Kaustubhji: Huge money – lottery or speculation. Method: Prashna 4. Anupji: Murder-fatal accident (marriage delay). Method: Rasi (?) 5. Prashantji (2) Yup I can tell: Loss of mother. Method: rasi, transit, lagna dasha, D-12, ATP chart 6. Amitji: Died in accident Method: (unknown) 7. Asstrollger: `Simple case of marriage. Method: Nakshatra, murutha 8. Sumitji: Education success/fathers ill health. Method: Rasi/transit 9. Rameshji: Failed marriage attempt, loss of father. Method: Unknown Profile of Native : The native is a female, lives abroad, is married (happily for nearly three years), has no children as of yet but is pregnant and has had thus far has an average education. Her father and mother both still live, although her father has had serious life threatening brain surgery. However this was in the distant past. The event that took place on the evening 13 May: After a series of explosive disputes, the native left the home of her in-laws (with her husband). The added significance of this event is that she is pregnant (due soon); and that she has had to move into rented accommodation without family support. Therefore the event should be apparent in her chart. Prashantji (yup_i_can_tell) has come the closest, predicting loss of mother and ruling out any positive event. Conceptually, in terms of pinpointing the 4th house issues of home and mother this is extremely close, especially as this is not clear from the standalone rasi chart. In fact much of the separation was caused by the mother. I would like to congratulate him and I follow much the same line of methodology, especially the ATP. This native had come to me last year, and on the basis of the ATP I had advised her to stay positive in her relations with her mother-in- law and keep an eye on her health. A strong parivartan yoga almost always leads to a significant event. I stress once again that the rasi must support the indications, and for further confidence the dasha lagna and divisional should be referred to. My analysis was as follows: I have found the Annual Tithi Pravesha charts to be excellent in getting an overview for events for the coming year. My approach is to always check this chart first, and refer back to the rasi and appropriate divisional for confirmation of an event. Please note that I am not promoting any school, but this is what I have found to be the most efficient method in my humble experiences. Note that the ATP chart shows strong parivartna yoga between the 4th and 12th houses. Mars and Moon are the respective lords involved. This clearly indicates separation from home/mother and due to the involvement of Mars and Saturn in the exchange; it can be interpreted that the separation will be unpleasant. Referring back to the rasi, note the powerful aspect of exalted 8th lord Saturn on the 12th house from the 4th lord (Mercury). The bhavat bhavam principle is an extremely powerful tool in this context. Rotating the charts to make Saturn the lagna (dasha lagna), Virgo, the 4th house from normal lagna shifts to house 12, while Capricorn, 4th house in normal lagna shifts to house 8. Also note the strong influence on the 12th from the 4th (the 3rd house). Ketu is placed in 3rd, while the Sun, Mars (as marak lord) and Rahu all aspect the 3rd house. In general I use the dasha lagna for clearer indication of events (this can be extended to divisional charts too). I emphasise that this is a backward analysis beginning from the ATP chart, and such indications would be difficult to pick up without prior viewing of the ATP chart and then referring back to the rasi. D- 4 and D-12 also support the above indications. Jyoitsh has an array of techniques and methods; all with their respective merits and it has been an interesting learning experience to see how they are applied. I welcome comments and thanks to all that participated. , Sumit Bajaj <sumitbajaj2000 wrote: > > Hello All, > > I see that there could be some stupendous success in the field of education. While this was going on, there was also some problem to fathers health for quite a while. > Jupiters and Saturn transit are responsible for this. > > May GOD Bless All > > Thanx & Regards. > > Sumit Bajaj > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > Members > > as I know there is another prashant in jyotish groups called Prashant doshi, if i remember right apart from me > > this new ID that has come sure can't be his or mine, if this member is a anstrolger, good, I have only seen him post this week, he has done one in VA behind mine. I will wait like u all to see that this is 3rd prashant and not either of the 2 said above > > Best wishes > > atma_gnan <atma_gnan wrote: Prashantji, > > Thank you for the detailed analysis. > > , " yup_i_can_tell " > <yup_i_can_tell@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friend, > > > > I reached this conclusion after careful analysis of 2 hours , I > > could be wrong but this was my attempt.I am only a humble beginner > > of this great science. > > > > Well first of all I looked at the dasa operating it is sat-sat- > > mars...one is 8th lord and another is 6th.Both of them have a > maraka > > effect for the 4th house ,moreover sat is conjoined moon in the > 5th > > house which is a maraka house for mother and moon being a karka > for > > mother.the dasa nath is casting malefic aspect on the 4th house > and > > the antar dasa nath too joins him along with matru karak moon on > the > > fateful day in the tenth house being marka house for > mother.Moreover > > mercury the 4th house lord is in the 12th house and the transit > > mercury was over the natal one along with transit jupiter casting > > influence from the 6th house....which is also the natal maraka > being > > in the 7th from 4th house lord.Moreover Rahu too casts malefic > > aspect on the moon and sat conjunction.The dasa scheme running at > > the time using lagna as starting point is Jup-Rah-Mo-Me. > > > > I was also tempted to think at one stage that something related to > > the profession of the person could have happened but ruled it out > > looking into the D charts.Actually D charts reveal the true > > position.If we see the D-12 dasa going on according to vimsottari > > and narayana dasa they too revealed the same story.The dasa going > at > > the time in D-12 is sun-rahu -jupiter.Sun is in the 7th house to > 4th > > house in own sign and rahu casts malefic aspect on the 4th and jup > a > > maraka sits there.If we use lagna instead of moon for vim dasa the > > dasa in D-12 is ven-ven-sun-rahu.The maraka effects are more than > > understandable.The transits in D-12 are noteworthy.sat casting > > aspect on moon ,sun over moon, rahu in the 4th house , jupiter a > > maraka for aquarius lagna over sat ,merc too influencing the natal > > postion from seventh. > > > > I finally consulted the TP chart for the year.moon being deb in > the > > 4th house ,karko bhavo nashya and the TA dasa running at the time > is > > also of Mo-Ra-Ma.Even in D-12 its neecha with rahu and ketu axis > > and mars in the 7th from it.sun being the lord of 4th goes in the > > 10th ,seventh from it. > > > > This is my rationale for reaching this conclusion.Correct me if I > am > > wrong.I am ready to learn from my mistakes. > > > > Regards > > Prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In , AMIT JAIN <amitj_69@> > > wrote: > > > > > > HI, > > > > > > It seems native must have died in an accident most probably > > between 4:30pm to 10 pm > > > > > > yup_i_can_tell <yup_i_can_tell@> wrote: > > > > > > I think that native must have lost his mother.I rule out > marriage > > > and any other positive development. > > > > > > -- In , " Anup. M " <dalh_1@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Frd, > > > > > > > > The native might have met with some fatal accident or been > > > murdered. > > > > Well regarding marriage i rule out the possibilty of marriage > > > anyhow due to some reasons. > > > > Though we can give a thought to this also but a remote > > > possibilty though. > > > > Coz delay has not been covered yet and wld end in 2010 > > > > Just a hint i wanna give, 7th lord is in 6th house. > > > > No matter who is wrong or right but for the sake of learning, > > > > we sld solve such quiz leaving our egos aside. > > > > No body is a master or GOD. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Anup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > atma_gnan <atma_gnan@> wrote: > > > > All, > > > > > > > > In light of the recent exchanges discussing the relative > > strengths > > > > and weakness of various approaches, I thought it would be a > good > > > time > > > > to post a quiz. This would at least to some extent give an > > insight > > > > into the techniques underpinning any answers, and of course > shed > > > > light on the most successful methods. > > > > > > > > Birth Data: > > > > 21-06-1983 > > > > 0636AM > > > > Ahmedabad > > > > (Mithun Lagna) > > > > > > > > Date of event: > > > > 13 May 2007 > > > > > > > > Question: > > > > What happened on the above date? > > > > > > > > Please give some rationale for answers, as this will help the > > > > learners (most of us!) > > > > > > > > I shall post answers on 12 June. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get the toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever > > you're > > > surfing. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 I forgot to add that this chart also provides some support for the concept of retrograde planets 'behaving' as if they are in the prior house. Saturn would be L8 in the H4 in Rasi, while from dasha lagna it would be L4 in the H12. I have not applied this concept extensively, but it may carry some weight in the context of this chart. , " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan wrote: > > All, > > Thank you to those who participated in the quiz. It is however a > shame that more of the experienced members, who are keen to propagate > the authenticity and excellence of their chosen methods have shied > away. Maybe there exists a degree of insecurity that prevents > involvement – but these same people are prolific in philosophical > debate which is of little use if there is no practical applicability. > > This was a tough quiz in that delineating the event would have > required a rigorous analysis and even then the event was not typical, > for example marriage or promotion. For this reason, in light of the > discussions on methodologies, it would have been interesting to gain > an insight and learn the techniques involved in practical > applications. I stress once more that this quiz was extremely > difficult and the participants' attempts are very much appreciated. > The main goal was to learn, not to `win'. > > > 1. Surya Tyagi: Positive development to family. > Method: Rasi alone > 2. Prashantji (GB): Major accident, injury involving air. > Method: Rasi, transit – Raman ayamsha > 3. Kaustubhji: Huge money – lottery or speculation. > Method: Prashna > 4. Anupji: Murder-fatal accident (marriage delay). > Method: Rasi (?) > 5. Prashantji (2) Yup I can tell: Loss of mother. > Method: rasi, transit, lagna dasha, D-12, ATP chart > 6. Amitji: Died in accident > Method: (unknown) > 7. Asstrollger: `Simple case of marriage. > Method: Nakshatra, murutha > 8. Sumitji: Education success/fathers ill health. > Method: Rasi/transit > 9. Rameshji: Failed marriage attempt, loss of father. > Method: Unknown > > Profile of Native : The native is a female, lives abroad, is married > (happily for nearly three years), has no children as of yet but is > pregnant and has had thus far has an average education. Her father > and mother both still live, although her father has had serious life > threatening brain surgery. However this was in the distant past. > > The event that took place on the evening 13 May: > > After a series of explosive disputes, the native left the home of her > in-laws (with her husband). The added significance of this event is > that she is pregnant (due soon); and that she has had to move into > rented accommodation without family support. Therefore the event > should be apparent in her chart. > > Prashantji (yup_i_can_tell) has come the closest, predicting loss of > mother and ruling out any positive event. Conceptually, in terms of > pinpointing the 4th house issues of home and mother this is extremely > close, especially as this is not clear from the standalone rasi > chart. In fact much of the separation was caused by the mother. I > would like to congratulate him and I follow much the same line of > methodology, especially the ATP. > > This native had come to me last year, and on the basis of the ATP I > had advised her to stay positive in her relations with her mother- in- > law and keep an eye on her health. A strong parivartan yoga almost > always leads to a significant event. I stress once again that the > rasi must support the indications, and for further confidence the > dasha lagna and divisional should be referred to. > > My analysis was as follows: > > I have found the Annual Tithi Pravesha charts to be excellent in > getting an overview for events for the coming year. My approach is to > always check this chart first, and refer back to the rasi and > appropriate divisional for confirmation of an event. Please note that > I am not promoting any school, but this is what I have found to be > the most efficient method in my humble experiences. > > Note that the ATP chart shows strong parivartna yoga between the 4th > and 12th houses. Mars and Moon are the respective lords involved. > This clearly indicates separation from home/mother and due to the > involvement of Mars and Saturn in the exchange; it can be interpreted > that the separation will be unpleasant. > > Referring back to the rasi, note the powerful aspect of exalted 8th > lord Saturn on the 12th house from the 4th lord (Mercury). The bhavat > bhavam principle is an extremely powerful tool in this context. > > Rotating the charts to make Saturn the lagna (dasha lagna), Virgo, > the 4th house from normal lagna shifts to house 12, while Capricorn, > 4th house in normal lagna shifts to house 8. Also note the strong > influence on the 12th from the 4th (the 3rd house). Ketu is placed in > 3rd, while the Sun, Mars (as marak lord) and Rahu all aspect the 3rd > house. > > In general I use the dasha lagna for clearer indication of events > (this can be extended to divisional charts too). > > I emphasise that this is a backward analysis beginning from the ATP > chart, and such indications would be difficult to pick up without > prior viewing of the ATP chart and then referring back to the rasi. D- > 4 and D-12 also support the above indications. > > Jyoitsh has an array of techniques and methods; all with their > respective merits and it has been an interesting learning experience > to see how they are applied. > > > I welcome comments and thanks to all that participated. > > > > , Sumit Bajaj > <sumitbajaj2000@> wrote: > > > > Hello All, > > > > I see that there could be some stupendous success in the field of > education. While this was going on, there was also some problem to > fathers health for quite a while. > > Jupiters and Saturn transit are responsible for this. > > > > May GOD Bless All > > > > Thanx & Regards. > > > > Sumit Bajaj > > > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > Members > > > > as I know there is another prashant in jyotish groups called > Prashant doshi, if i remember right apart from me > > > > this new ID that has come sure can't be his or mine, if this member > is a anstrolger, good, I have only seen him post this week, he has > done one in VA behind mine. I will wait like u all to see that this > is 3rd prashant and not either of the 2 said above > > > > Best wishes > > > > atma_gnan <atma_gnan@> wrote: Prashantji, > > > > Thank you for the detailed analysis. > > > > , " yup_i_can_tell " > > <yup_i_can_tell@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friend, > > > > > > I reached this conclusion after careful analysis of 2 hours , I > > > could be wrong but this was my attempt.I am only a humble > beginner > > > of this great science. > > > > > > Well first of all I looked at the dasa operating it is sat-sat- > > > mars...one is 8th lord and another is 6th.Both of them have a > > maraka > > > effect for the 4th house ,moreover sat is conjoined moon in the > > 5th > > > house which is a maraka house for mother and moon being a karka > > for > > > mother.the dasa nath is casting malefic aspect on the 4th house > > and > > > the antar dasa nath too joins him along with matru karak moon on > > the > > > fateful day in the tenth house being marka house for > > mother.Moreover > > > mercury the 4th house lord is in the 12th house and the transit > > > mercury was over the natal one along with transit jupiter casting > > > influence from the 6th house....which is also the natal maraka > > being > > > in the 7th from 4th house lord.Moreover Rahu too casts malefic > > > aspect on the moon and sat conjunction.The dasa scheme running at > > > the time using lagna as starting point is Jup-Rah-Mo-Me. > > > > > > I was also tempted to think at one stage that something related > to > > > the profession of the person could have happened but ruled it out > > > looking into the D charts.Actually D charts reveal the true > > > position.If we see the D-12 dasa going on according to vimsottari > > > and narayana dasa they too revealed the same story.The dasa going > > at > > > the time in D-12 is sun-rahu -jupiter.Sun is in the 7th house to > > 4th > > > house in own sign and rahu casts malefic aspect on the 4th and > jup > > a > > > maraka sits there.If we use lagna instead of moon for vim dasa > the > > > dasa in D-12 is ven-ven-sun-rahu.The maraka effects are more than > > > understandable.The transits in D-12 are noteworthy.sat casting > > > aspect on moon ,sun over moon, rahu in the 4th house , jupiter a > > > maraka for aquarius lagna over sat ,merc too influencing the > natal > > > postion from seventh. > > > > > > I finally consulted the TP chart for the year.moon being deb in > > the > > > 4th house ,karko bhavo nashya and the TA dasa running at the time > > is > > > also of Mo-Ra-Ma.Even in D-12 its neecha with rahu and ketu axis > > > and mars in the 7th from it.sun being the lord of 4th goes in the > > > 10th ,seventh from it. > > > > > > This is my rationale for reaching this conclusion.Correct me if I > > am > > > wrong.I am ready to learn from my mistakes. > > > > > > Regards > > > Prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In , AMIT JAIN <amitj_69@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > HI, > > > > > > > > It seems native must have died in an accident most probably > > > between 4:30pm to 10 pm > > > > > > > > yup_i_can_tell <yup_i_can_tell@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I think that native must have lost his mother.I rule out > > marriage > > > > and any other positive development. > > > > > > > > -- In , " Anup. M " <dalh_1@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Frd, > > > > > > > > > > The native might have met with some fatal accident or been > > > > murdered. > > > > > Well regarding marriage i rule out the possibilty of marriage > > > > anyhow due to some reasons. > > > > > Though we can give a thought to this also but a remote > > > > possibilty though. > > > > > Coz delay has not been covered yet and wld end in 2010 > > > > > Just a hint i wanna give, 7th lord is in 6th house. > > > > > No matter who is wrong or right but for the sake of learning, > > > > > we sld solve such quiz leaving our egos aside. > > > > > No body is a master or GOD. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Anup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > atma_gnan <atma_gnan@> wrote: > > > > > All, > > > > > > > > > > In light of the recent exchanges discussing the relative > > > strengths > > > > > and weakness of various approaches, I thought it would be a > > good > > > > time > > > > > to post a quiz. This would at least to some extent give an > > > insight > > > > > into the techniques underpinning any answers, and of course > > shed > > > > > light on the most successful methods. > > > > > > > > > > Birth Data: > > > > > 21-06-1983 > > > > > 0636AM > > > > > Ahmedabad > > > > > (Mithun Lagna) > > > > > > > > > > Date of event: > > > > > 13 May 2007 > > > > > > > > > > Question: > > > > > What happened on the above date? > > > > > > > > > > Please give some rationale for answers, as this will help the > > > > > learners (most of us!) > > > > > > > > > > I shall post answers on 12 June. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get the toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever > > > you're > > > > surfing. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 Dear AG, Though the question was typical but has the essence of some sort of pinpoint event. Well in another forum, a question was also posted which had resemblance to this one. Even there, there were futile attempts by all " learners " and nobody cld attempt to the perfection. The question was raised also there by some seniors that we were finding precise event on the basis of a given date , having 24 hrs means " Approximate data " .??? Anyway we all are learning .These events also claim attention besides those typical events we used to follow and answer. Regards Anup atma_gnan <atma_gnan wrote: All, Thank you to those who participated in the quiz. It is however a shame that more of the experienced members, who are keen to propagate the authenticity and excellence of their chosen methods have shied away. Maybe there exists a degree of insecurity that prevents involvement – but these same people are prolific in philosophical debate which is of little use if there is no practical applicability. This was a tough quiz in that delineating the event would have required a rigorous analysis and even then the event was not typical, for example marriage or promotion. For this reason, in light of the discussions on methodologies, it would have been interesting to gain an insight and learn the techniques involved in practical applications. I stress once more that this quiz was extremely difficult and the participants' attempts are very much appreciated. The main goal was to learn, not to `win'. 1. Surya Tyagi: Positive development to family. Method: Rasi alone 2. Prashantji (GB): Major accident, injury involving air. Method: Rasi, transit – Raman ayamsha 3. Kaustubhji: Huge money – lottery or speculation. Method: Prashna 4. Anupji: Murder-fatal accident (marriage delay). Method: Rasi (?) 5. Prashantji (2) Yup I can tell: Loss of mother. Method: rasi, transit, lagna dasha, D-12, ATP chart 6. Amitji: Died in accident Method: (unknown) 7. Asstrollger: `Simple case of marriage. Method: Nakshatra, murutha 8. Sumitji: Education success/fathers ill health. Method: Rasi/transit 9. Rameshji: Failed marriage attempt, loss of father. Method: Unknown Profile of Native : The native is a female, lives abroad, is married (happily for nearly three years), has no children as of yet but is pregnant and has had thus far has an average education. Her father and mother both still live, although her father has had serious life threatening brain surgery. However this was in the distant past. The event that took place on the evening 13 May: After a series of explosive disputes, the native left the home of her in-laws (with her husband). The added significance of this event is that she is pregnant (due soon); and that she has had to move into rented accommodation without family support. Therefore the event should be apparent in her chart. Prashantji (yup_i_can_tell) has come the closest, predicting loss of mother and ruling out any positive event. Conceptually, in terms of pinpointing the 4th house issues of home and mother this is extremely close, especially as this is not clear from the standalone rasi chart. In fact much of the separation was caused by the mother. I would like to congratulate him and I follow much the same line of methodology, especially the ATP. This native had come to me last year, and on the basis of the ATP I had advised her to stay positive in her relations with her mother-in- law and keep an eye on her health. A strong parivartan yoga almost always leads to a significant event. I stress once again that the rasi must support the indications, and for further confidence the dasha lagna and divisional should be referred to. My analysis was as follows: I have found the Annual Tithi Pravesha charts to be excellent in getting an overview for events for the coming year. My approach is to always check this chart first, and refer back to the rasi and appropriate divisional for confirmation of an event. Please note that I am not promoting any school, but this is what I have found to be the most efficient method in my humble experiences. Note that the ATP chart shows strong parivartna yoga between the 4th and 12th houses. Mars and Moon are the respective lords involved. This clearly indicates separation from home/mother and due to the involvement of Mars and Saturn in the exchange; it can be interpreted that the separation will be unpleasant. Referring back to the rasi, note the powerful aspect of exalted 8th lord Saturn on the 12th house from the 4th lord (Mercury). The bhavat bhavam principle is an extremely powerful tool in this context. Rotating the charts to make Saturn the lagna (dasha lagna), Virgo, the 4th house from normal lagna shifts to house 12, while Capricorn, 4th house in normal lagna shifts to house 8. Also note the strong influence on the 12th from the 4th (the 3rd house). Ketu is placed in 3rd, while the Sun, Mars (as marak lord) and Rahu all aspect the 3rd house. In general I use the dasha lagna for clearer indication of events (this can be extended to divisional charts too). I emphasise that this is a backward analysis beginning from the ATP chart, and such indications would be difficult to pick up without prior viewing of the ATP chart and then referring back to the rasi. D- 4 and D-12 also support the above indications. Jyoitsh has an array of techniques and methods; all with their respective merits and it has been an interesting learning experience to see how they are applied. I welcome comments and thanks to all that participated. , Sumit Bajaj <sumitbajaj2000 wrote: > > Hello All, > > I see that there could be some stupendous success in the field of education. While this was going on, there was also some problem to fathers health for quite a while. > Jupiters and Saturn transit are responsible for this. > > May GOD Bless All > > Thanx & Regards. > > Sumit Bajaj > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > Members > > as I know there is another prashant in jyotish groups called Prashant doshi, if i remember right apart from me > > this new ID that has come sure can't be his or mine, if this member is a anstrolger, good, I have only seen him post this week, he has done one in VA behind mine. I will wait like u all to see that this is 3rd prashant and not either of the 2 said above > > Best wishes > > atma_gnan <atma_gnan wrote: Prashantji, > > Thank you for the detailed analysis. > > , " yup_i_can_tell " > <yup_i_can_tell@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friend, > > > > I reached this conclusion after careful analysis of 2 hours , I > > could be wrong but this was my attempt.I am only a humble beginner > > of this great science. > > > > Well first of all I looked at the dasa operating it is sat-sat- > > mars...one is 8th lord and another is 6th.Both of them have a > maraka > > effect for the 4th house ,moreover sat is conjoined moon in the > 5th > > house which is a maraka house for mother and moon being a karka > for > > mother.the dasa nath is casting malefic aspect on the 4th house > and > > the antar dasa nath too joins him along with matru karak moon on > the > > fateful day in the tenth house being marka house for > mother.Moreover > > mercury the 4th house lord is in the 12th house and the transit > > mercury was over the natal one along with transit jupiter casting > > influence from the 6th house....which is also the natal maraka > being > > in the 7th from 4th house lord.Moreover Rahu too casts malefic > > aspect on the moon and sat conjunction.The dasa scheme running at > > the time using lagna as starting point is Jup-Rah-Mo-Me. > > > > I was also tempted to think at one stage that something related to > > the profession of the person could have happened but ruled it out > > looking into the D charts.Actually D charts reveal the true > > position.If we see the D-12 dasa going on according to vimsottari > > and narayana dasa they too revealed the same story.The dasa going > at > > the time in D-12 is sun-rahu -jupiter.Sun is in the 7th house to > 4th > > house in own sign and rahu casts malefic aspect on the 4th and jup > a > > maraka sits there.If we use lagna instead of moon for vim dasa the > > dasa in D-12 is ven-ven-sun-rahu.The maraka effects are more than > > understandable.The transits in D-12 are noteworthy.sat casting > > aspect on moon ,sun over moon, rahu in the 4th house , jupiter a > > maraka for aquarius lagna over sat ,merc too influencing the natal > > postion from seventh. > > > > I finally consulted the TP chart for the year.moon being deb in > the > > 4th house ,karko bhavo nashya and the TA dasa running at the time > is > > also of Mo-Ra-Ma.Even in D-12 its neecha with rahu and ketu axis > > and mars in the 7th from it.sun being the lord of 4th goes in the > > 10th ,seventh from it. > > > > This is my rationale for reaching this conclusion.Correct me if I > am > > wrong.I am ready to learn from my mistakes. > > > > Regards > > Prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In , AMIT JAIN <amitj_69@> > > wrote: > > > > > > HI, > > > > > > It seems native must have died in an accident most probably > > between 4:30pm to 10 pm > > > > > > yup_i_can_tell <yup_i_can_tell@> wrote: > > > > > > I think that native must have lost his mother.I rule out > marriage > > > and any other positive development. > > > > > > -- In , " Anup. M " <dalh_1@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Frd, > > > > > > > > The native might have met with some fatal accident or been > > > murdered. > > > > Well regarding marriage i rule out the possibilty of marriage > > > anyhow due to some reasons. > > > > Though we can give a thought to this also but a remote > > > possibilty though. > > > > Coz delay has not been covered yet and wld end in 2010 > > > > Just a hint i wanna give, 7th lord is in 6th house. > > > > No matter who is wrong or right but for the sake of learning, > > > > we sld solve such quiz leaving our egos aside. > > > > No body is a master or GOD. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Anup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > atma_gnan <atma_gnan@> wrote: > > > > All, > > > > > > > > In light of the recent exchanges discussing the relative > > strengths > > > > and weakness of various approaches, I thought it would be a > good > > > time > > > > to post a quiz. This would at least to some extent give an > > insight > > > > into the techniques underpinning any answers, and of course > shed > > > > light on the most successful methods. > > > > > > > > Birth Data: > > > > 21-06-1983 > > > > 0636AM > > > > Ahmedabad > > > > (Mithun Lagna) > > > > > > > > Date of event: > > > > 13 May 2007 > > > > > > > > Question: > > > > What happened on the above date? > > > > > > > > Please give some rationale for answers, as this will help the > > > > learners (most of us!) > > > > > > > > I shall post answers on 12 June. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get the toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever > > you're > > > surfing. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 Anupji, I was not expecting a perfect response, the aim was to get close to the correct significations/houses (which one member manages), which would have been an excellent feat considering the non-typical nature of the event. My main point is that this was a big turning point in the natives life and should be possible, within the parameters of jyotish to deduce. The necessity of an exact time for the event was not pertinent due to the significance of the event, and when giving a prediction only the brilliant Jyotishis are able to provide an exact time: at best a month or weeks timeframe is indicated. An exact time may only benefit those going deeper than the prayantar-dasha levels and using the higher divisionals. Even then the day of an event is given rather than an exact time. Let us not forget that Prashantji (2) was extremely close to the answer. Either way this has been an invaluable learning opportunity. Thank you for your comments! , " Anup. M " <dalh_1 wrote: > > Dear AG, > > Though the question was typical but has the essence of some sort of pinpoint event. > Well in another forum, a question was also posted which had resemblance to this one. > Even there, there were futile attempts by all " learners " and nobody cld attempt to the perfection. > The question was raised also there by some seniors that we were finding precise event on the basis of a given date , having 24 hrs means " Approximate data " .??? > > Anyway we all are learning .These events also claim attention besides those typical events > we used to follow and answer. > > Regards > Anup > > > > > > atma_gnan <atma_gnan wrote: > All, > > Thank you to those who participated in the quiz. It is however a > shame that more of the experienced members, who are keen to propagate > the authenticity and excellence of their chosen methods have shied > away. Maybe there exists a degree of insecurity that prevents > involvement – but these same people are prolific in philosophical > debate which is of little use if there is no practical applicability. > > This was a tough quiz in that delineating the event would have > required a rigorous analysis and even then the event was not typical, > for example marriage or promotion. For this reason, in light of the > discussions on methodologies, it would have been interesting to gain > an insight and learn the techniques involved in practical > applications. I stress once more that this quiz was extremely > difficult and the participants' attempts are very much appreciated. > The main goal was to learn, not to `win'. > > 1. Surya Tyagi: Positive development to family. > Method: Rasi alone > 2. Prashantji (GB): Major accident, injury involving air. > Method: Rasi, transit – Raman ayamsha > 3. Kaustubhji: Huge money – lottery or speculation. > Method: Prashna > 4. Anupji: Murder-fatal accident (marriage delay). > Method: Rasi (?) > 5. Prashantji (2) Yup I can tell: Loss of mother. > Method: rasi, transit, lagna dasha, D-12, ATP chart > 6. Amitji: Died in accident > Method: (unknown) > 7. Asstrollger: `Simple case of marriage. > Method: Nakshatra, murutha > 8. Sumitji: Education success/fathers ill health. > Method: Rasi/transit > 9. Rameshji: Failed marriage attempt, loss of father. > Method: Unknown > > Profile of Native : The native is a female, lives abroad, is married > (happily for nearly three years), has no children as of yet but is > pregnant and has had thus far has an average education. Her father > and mother both still live, although her father has had serious life > threatening brain surgery. However this was in the distant past. > > The event that took place on the evening 13 May: > > After a series of explosive disputes, the native left the home of her > in-laws (with her husband). The added significance of this event is > that she is pregnant (due soon); and that she has had to move into > rented accommodation without family support. Therefore the event > should be apparent in her chart. > > Prashantji (yup_i_can_tell) has come the closest, predicting loss of > mother and ruling out any positive event. Conceptually, in terms of > pinpointing the 4th house issues of home and mother this is extremely > close, especially as this is not clear from the standalone rasi > chart. In fact much of the separation was caused by the mother. I > would like to congratulate him and I follow much the same line of > methodology, especially the ATP. > > This native had come to me last year, and on the basis of the ATP I > had advised her to stay positive in her relations with her mother- in- > law and keep an eye on her health. A strong parivartan yoga almost > always leads to a significant event. I stress once again that the > rasi must support the indications, and for further confidence the > dasha lagna and divisional should be referred to. > > My analysis was as follows: > > I have found the Annual Tithi Pravesha charts to be excellent in > getting an overview for events for the coming year. My approach is to > always check this chart first, and refer back to the rasi and > appropriate divisional for confirmation of an event. Please note that > I am not promoting any school, but this is what I have found to be > the most efficient method in my humble experiences. > > Note that the ATP chart shows strong parivartna yoga between the 4th > and 12th houses. Mars and Moon are the respective lords involved. > This clearly indicates separation from home/mother and due to the > involvement of Mars and Saturn in the exchange; it can be interpreted > that the separation will be unpleasant. > > Referring back to the rasi, note the powerful aspect of exalted 8th > lord Saturn on the 12th house from the 4th lord (Mercury). The bhavat > bhavam principle is an extremely powerful tool in this context. > > Rotating the charts to make Saturn the lagna (dasha lagna), Virgo, > the 4th house from normal lagna shifts to house 12, while Capricorn, > 4th house in normal lagna shifts to house 8. Also note the strong > influence on the 12th from the 4th (the 3rd house). Ketu is placed in > 3rd, while the Sun, Mars (as marak lord) and Rahu all aspect the 3rd > house. > > In general I use the dasha lagna for clearer indication of events > (this can be extended to divisional charts too). > > I emphasise that this is a backward analysis beginning from the ATP > chart, and such indications would be difficult to pick up without > prior viewing of the ATP chart and then referring back to the rasi. D- > 4 and D-12 also support the above indications. > > Jyoitsh has an array of techniques and methods; all with their > respective merits and it has been an interesting learning experience > to see how they are applied. > > I welcome comments and thanks to all that participated. > > , Sumit Bajaj > <sumitbajaj2000@> wrote: > > > > Hello All, > > > > I see that there could be some stupendous success in the field of > education. While this was going on, there was also some problem to > fathers health for quite a while. > > Jupiters and Saturn transit are responsible for this. > > > > May GOD Bless All > > > > Thanx & Regards. > > > > Sumit Bajaj > > > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > Members > > > > as I know there is another prashant in jyotish groups called > Prashant doshi, if i remember right apart from me > > > > this new ID that has come sure can't be his or mine, if this member > is a anstrolger, good, I have only seen him post this week, he has > done one in VA behind mine. I will wait like u all to see that this > is 3rd prashant and not either of the 2 said above > > > > Best wishes > > > > atma_gnan <atma_gnan@> wrote: Prashantji, > > > > Thank you for the detailed analysis. > > > > , " yup_i_can_tell " > > <yup_i_can_tell@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friend, > > > > > > I reached this conclusion after careful analysis of 2 hours , I > > > could be wrong but this was my attempt.I am only a humble > beginner > > > of this great science. > > > > > > Well first of all I looked at the dasa operating it is sat-sat- > > > mars...one is 8th lord and another is 6th.Both of them have a > > maraka > > > effect for the 4th house ,moreover sat is conjoined moon in the > > 5th > > > house which is a maraka house for mother and moon being a karka > > for > > > mother.the dasa nath is casting malefic aspect on the 4th house > > and > > > the antar dasa nath too joins him along with matru karak moon on > > the > > > fateful day in the tenth house being marka house for > > mother.Moreover > > > mercury the 4th house lord is in the 12th house and the transit > > > mercury was over the natal one along with transit jupiter casting > > > influence from the 6th house....which is also the natal maraka > > being > > > in the 7th from 4th house lord.Moreover Rahu too casts malefic > > > aspect on the moon and sat conjunction.The dasa scheme running at > > > the time using lagna as starting point is Jup-Rah-Mo-Me. > > > > > > I was also tempted to think at one stage that something related > to > > > the profession of the person could have happened but ruled it out > > > looking into the D charts.Actually D charts reveal the true > > > position.If we see the D-12 dasa going on according to vimsottari > > > and narayana dasa they too revealed the same story.The dasa going > > at > > > the time in D-12 is sun-rahu -jupiter.Sun is in the 7th house to > > 4th > > > house in own sign and rahu casts malefic aspect on the 4th and > jup > > a > > > maraka sits there.If we use lagna instead of moon for vim dasa > the > > > dasa in D-12 is ven-ven-sun-rahu.The maraka effects are more than > > > understandable.The transits in D-12 are noteworthy.sat casting > > > aspect on moon ,sun over moon, rahu in the 4th house , jupiter a > > > maraka for aquarius lagna over sat ,merc too influencing the > natal > > > postion from seventh. > > > > > > I finally consulted the TP chart for the year.moon being deb in > > the > > > 4th house ,karko bhavo nashya and the TA dasa running at the time > > is > > > also of Mo-Ra-Ma.Even in D-12 its neecha with rahu and ketu axis > > > and mars in the 7th from it.sun being the lord of 4th goes in the > > > 10th ,seventh from it. > > > > > > This is my rationale for reaching this conclusion.Correct me if I > > am > > > wrong.I am ready to learn from my mistakes. > > > > > > Regards > > > Prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In , AMIT JAIN <amitj_69@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > HI, > > > > > > > > It seems native must have died in an accident most probably > > > between 4:30pm to 10 pm > > > > > > > > yup_i_can_tell <yup_i_can_tell@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I think that native must have lost his mother.I rule out > > marriage > > > > and any other positive development. > > > > > > > > -- In , " Anup. M " <dalh_1@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Frd, > > > > > > > > > > The native might have met with some fatal accident or been > > > > murdered. > > > > > Well regarding marriage i rule out the possibilty of marriage > > > > anyhow due to some reasons. > > > > > Though we can give a thought to this also but a remote > > > > possibilty though. > > > > > Coz delay has not been covered yet and wld end in 2010 > > > > > Just a hint i wanna give, 7th lord is in 6th house. > > > > > No matter who is wrong or right but for the sake of learning, > > > > > we sld solve such quiz leaving our egos aside. > > > > > No body is a master or GOD. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Anup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > atma_gnan <atma_gnan@> wrote: > > > > > All, > > > > > > > > > > In light of the recent exchanges discussing the relative > > > strengths > > > > > and weakness of various approaches, I thought it would be a > > good > > > > time > > > > > to post a quiz. This would at least to some extent give an > > > insight > > > > > into the techniques underpinning any answers, and of course > > shed > > > > > light on the most successful methods. > > > > > > > > > > Birth Data: > > > > > 21-06-1983 > > > > > 0636AM > > > > > Ahmedabad > > > > > (Mithun Lagna) > > > > > > > > > > Date of event: > > > > > 13 May 2007 > > > > > > > > > > Question: > > > > > What happened on the above date? > > > > > > > > > > Please give some rationale for answers, as this will help the > > > > > learners (most of us!) > > > > > > > > > > I shall post answers on 12 June. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get the toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever > > > you're > > > > surfing. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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