Guest guest Posted June 6, 2007 Report Share Posted June 6, 2007 Dear Prashant, As you know (I'm sure) it's not my practice to interfere with the smooth (or not) running of other groups as each one has its own character which differs greatly from one to the other - hence my (unsuccessful) attempt at anonymity :-( It just so happened that I had recently been discussing, over the telephone, this particular (Nabhi) yoga with an old student (now a practicing astrologer/lecturer) and it was still fresh in my mind when I came across the query on this group. Almost without thinking I replied and, as is often the case, one post led to another which was not my intention. You Wrote: ///when there is an imbalance their is complexes that take the debates in tangents than forward/// We are only months away from a Federal election here and it looks very much like, for the first time in eleven years, the Labor party is streaks ahead of the Liberals...a good thing in my opinion as the Liberals have moved too far to the right (Capitalism) and turned their back on the ordinary worker...the backbone of this country! Balance needs to be restored and so we see the resurgence of the Labor movement after so many years in opposition... The point is, that, sooner or later, the pendulum will swing back towards the center and balance will be restored - this is the irresistible force of nature - to restore balance one way or the other! If we contribute to the imbalance (even by opposing it) it will escalate to the point where it can only be restored through a catastrophic event. But, if we ourselves remain balanced, then our surroundings will respond to that in a balanced way. I'm thinking of the VAlist that closed recently after 11 years. It was one of the very first (if not THE first) jyotish discussion group on the Web, and, for a long time, it fulfilled a wonderful purpose. However, due the saddest circumstances, balance could not be restored and it was closed down...a catastrophic event! Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy __ , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: Member, a well made point, u have a few universities in India teaching Jyotish 1st was Osmania then AP university, hear some 16 of them do have a Bacholers in it. others that have made a strong impact have been ICAS, HOSE COURSES COMRISES A GOOD BALANCE OF CLASSICAL AND MODERN WORKS is producing many good brains, apart from bHARATIYA vIDYA bHAVAN'S COURSE K N Rao;s group;s works is the best example one can give from such an effort others are there too, anyone doing a 2 yr ICAS course can help themselves a lot I keep telling members it is possible that each semister has different components and when they do one they r good 2nd they r better, 3rd they are strong in the subject and 4th they r many miles ahead of anyone of us here. on the theoritical side and practical side as well. and the real practical side comes whenthey apply it in day to day life cases. they have a lot of group discussions every week, good topical seminars every 2-3 weeks and some special occassion seminars when a visiting astro comes to any other city. the way they share their knowledge and help budding talent is what I have tried to do over here too. but not many contribute healthily in threads here and has led to acrimony so I RESIST myself entering into threads, stick to chart readings I had mentioned in last July itself one needs t o be on a similar plane and equipped to understand them when there is an imbalance their is complexes that take the debates in tangents than forward so for peace I stay away from them, though I read one or two and deicode no I will not enter. A GOOD POST MEMBER. Best wishes wenvasuk <jyotish wrote: In todays world there are academies for those few who's great passion for swimming leads them to become the best swimmers they possibly can. They learn the best techniques for butterfly, backstroke, freestyle and breaststroke under the guidence of expert coaches (teachers)...some even go on to swim at the Olympics! Of course, for those who swim simply for their own enjoyment ('swimming simple') there is really no need for a coach to teach them the finer techniques of butterfly, backstroke, freestyle etc.. This analogy applies also to jyotish, don't you agree :-) ___ , " astroiniket " <astroiniket wrote: > > there was a person who did PHD in swiming, once he was going somewhere > through boat, he asked to to Mallah (Kewat) do you know butterfly > strokes, he told no sir, he again asked do you know back strocks, > kewat again told no sir, he asked again do you know front strokes, > kewat answered no sir, he comment to kewat what you know about > swiming, nothing, sudenly one big wave came boat was started sheking, > Kewat asked to PHD sir save your life, you know all strokes, i know > only swiming simple,......................................... > > bhaskerji may tell " is kahani se hame kya shiksha miltee hai " > > i read it today in one story bookfor kids, so as usual i want to share > with all of you. > > regards > niket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2007 Report Share Posted June 6, 2007 Dear Prashant, As you know (I'm sure) it's not my practice to interfere with the smooth (or not) running of other groups as each one has its own character which differs greatly from one to the other - hence my (unsuccessful) attempt at anonymity :-( It just so happened that I had recently been discussing, over the telephone, this particular (Nabhi) yoga with an old student (now a practicing astrologer/lecturer) and it was still fresh in my mind when I came across the query on this group. Almost without thinking I replied and, as is often the case, one post led to another which was not my intention. You Wrote: ///when there is an imbalance their is complexes that take the debates in tangents than forward/// We are only months away from a Federal election here and it looks very much like, for the first time in eleven years, the Labor party is streaks ahead of the Liberals...a good thing in my opinion as the Liberals have moved too far to the right (Capitalism) and turned their back on the ordinary worker...the backbone of this country! Balance needs to be restored and so we see the resurgence of the Labor movement after so many years in opposition... The point is, that, sooner or later, the pendulum will swing back towards the center and balance will be restored - this is the irresistible force of nature - to restore balance one way or the other! If we contribute to the imbalance (even by opposing it) it will escalate to the point where it can only be restored through a catastrophic event. But, if we ourselves remain balanced, then our surroundings will respond to that in a balanced way. I'm thinking of the VAlist that closed recently after 11 years. It was one of the very first (if not THE first) jyotish discussion group on the Web, and, for a long time, it fulfilled a wonderful purpose. However, due the saddest circumstances, balance could not be restored and it was closed down...a catastrophic event! Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy __ , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: Member, a well made point, u have a few universities in India teaching Jyotish 1st was Osmania then AP university, hear some 16 of them do have a Bacholers in it. others that have made a strong impact have been ICAS, HOSE COURSES COMRISES A GOOD BALANCE OF CLASSICAL AND MODERN WORKS is producing many good brains, apart from bHARATIYA vIDYA bHAVAN'S COURSE K N Rao;s group;s works is the best example one can give from such an effort others are there too, anyone doing a 2 yr ICAS course can help themselves a lot I keep telling members it is possible that each semister has different components and when they do one they r good 2nd they r better, 3rd they are strong in the subject and 4th they r many miles ahead of anyone of us here. on the theoritical side and practical side as well. and the real practical side comes whenthey apply it in day to day life cases. they have a lot of group discussions every week, good topical seminars every 2-3 weeks and some special occassion seminars when a visiting astro comes to any other city. the way they share their knowledge and help budding talent is what I have tried to do over here too. but not many contribute healthily in threads here and has led to acrimony so I RESIST myself entering into threads, stick to chart readings I had mentioned in last July itself one needs t o be on a similar plane and equipped to understand them when there is an imbalance their is complexes that take the debates in tangents than forward so for peace I stay away from them, though I read one or two and deicode no I will not enter. A GOOD POST MEMBER. Best wishes wenvasuk <jyotish wrote: In todays world there are academies for those few who's great passion for swimming leads them to become the best swimmers they possibly can. They learn the best techniques for butterfly, backstroke, freestyle and breaststroke under the guidence of expert coaches (teachers)...some even go on to swim at the Olympics! Of course, for those who swim simply for their own enjoyment ('swimming simple') there is really no need for a coach to teach them the finer techniques of butterfly, backstroke, freestyle etc.. This analogy applies also to jyotish, don't you agree :-) ___ , " astroiniket " <astroiniket wrote: > > there was a person who did PHD in swiming, once he was going somewhere > through boat, he asked to to Mallah (Kewat) do you know butterfly > strokes, he told no sir, he again asked do you know back strocks, > kewat again told no sir, he asked again do you know front strokes, > kewat answered no sir, he comment to kewat what you know about > swiming, nothing, sudenly one big wave came boat was started sheking, > Kewat asked to PHD sir save your life, you know all strokes, i know > only swiming simple,......................................... > > bhaskerji may tell " is kahani se hame kya shiksha miltee hai " > > i read it today in one story bookfor kids, so as usual i want to share > with all of you. > > regards > niket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2007 Report Share Posted June 6, 2007 Dear Wendy, I can answer only the part u have marked in //between \\ for convience We used to have good debates inseveral threads in the past with some good end enterprising ones apart from seniors and I remember Mr Sreenadh - who seems back here now - quite a strong researcher and firm base. was torn apart by RR's satirical swipes at his effort and some other ones also say on Guru as a benefic- AND BETWEEN HIM AND HIS RRIENDS WNE INTO POETRY ETC susbstance lost and later some other lesser elements ENTERED AND DON'T LIKE EVEN A REF or question on their lines, feeling they r more than absolute, so most threads ended in acrimony than enlighten people some good ones by Pt. Arjun on diff planets say Sun, Moon went on and did not last the distance. on the elections do u want me to comment? let me know best wishes Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote: Dear Prashant, As you know (I'm sure) it's not my practice to interfere with the smooth (or not) running of other groups as each one has its own character which differs greatly from one to the other - hence my (unsuccessful) attempt at anonymity :-( It just so happened that I had recently been discussing, over the telephone, this particular (Nabhi) yoga with an old student (now a practicing astrologer/lecturer) and it was still fresh in my mind when I came across the query on this group. Almost without thinking I replied and, as is often the case, one post led to another which was not my intention. You Wrote: ///when there is an imbalance their is complexes that take the debates in tangents than forward/// We are only months away from a Federal election here and it looks very much like, for the first time in eleven years, the Labor party is streaks ahead of the Liberals...a good thing in my opinion as the Liberals have moved too far to the right (Capitalism) and turned their back on the ordinary worker...the backbone of this country! Balance needs to be restored and so we see the resurgence of the Labor movement after so many years in opposition... The point is, that, sooner or later, the pendulum will swing back towards the center and balance will be restored - this is the irresistible force of nature - to restore balance one way or the other! If we contribute to the imbalance (even by opposing it) it will escalate to the point where it can only be restored through a catastrophic event. But, if we ourselves remain balanced, then our surroundings will respond to that in a balanced way. I'm thinking of the VAlist that closed recently after 11 years. It was one of the very first (if not THE first) jyotish discussion group on the Web, and, for a long time, it fulfilled a wonderful purpose. However, due the saddest circumstances, balance could not be restored and it was closed down...a catastrophic event! Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy __ , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: Member, a well made point, u have a few universities in India teaching Jyotish 1st was Osmania then AP university, hear some 16 of them do have a Bacholers in it. others that have made a strong impact have been ICAS, HOSE COURSES COMRISES A GOOD BALANCE OF CLASSICAL AND MODERN WORKS is producing many good brains, apart from bHARATIYA vIDYA bHAVAN'S COURSE K N Rao;s group;s works is the best example one can give from such an effort others are there too, anyone doing a 2 yr ICAS course can help themselves a lot I keep telling members it is possible that each semister has different components and when they do one they r good 2nd they r better, 3rd they are strong in the subject and 4th they r many miles ahead of anyone of us here. on the theoritical side and practical side as well. and the real practical side comes whenthey apply it in day to day life cases. they have a lot of group discussions every week, good topical seminars every 2-3 weeks and some special occassion seminars when a visiting astro comes to any other city. the way they share their knowledge and help budding talent is what I have tried to do over here too. but not many contribute healthily in threads here and has led to acrimony so I RESIST myself entering into threads, stick to chart readings I had mentioned in last July itself one needs t o be on a similar plane and equipped to understand them when there is an imbalance their is complexes that take the debates in tangents than forward so for peace I stay away from them, though I read one or two and deicode no I will not enter. A GOOD POST MEMBER. Best wishes wenvasuk <jyotish wrote: In todays world there are academies for those few who's great passion for swimming leads them to become the best swimmers they possibly can. They learn the best techniques for butterfly, backstroke, freestyle and breaststroke under the guidence of expert coaches (teachers)...some even go on to swim at the Olympics! Of course, for those who swim simply for their own enjoyment ('swimming simple') there is really no need for a coach to teach them the finer techniques of butterfly, backstroke, freestyle etc.. This analogy applies also to jyotish, don't you agree :-) ___ , " astroiniket " <astroiniket wrote: > > there was a person who did PHD in swiming, once he was going somewhere > through boat, he asked to to Mallah (Kewat) do you know butterfly > strokes, he told no sir, he again asked do you know back strocks, > kewat again told no sir, he asked again do you know front strokes, > kewat answered no sir, he comment to kewat what you know about > swiming, nothing, sudenly one big wave came boat was started sheking, > Kewat asked to PHD sir save your life, you know all strokes, i know > only swiming simple,......................................... > > bhaskerji may tell " is kahani se hame kya shiksha miltee hai " > > i read it today in one story bookfor kids, so as usual i want to share > with all of you. > > regards > niket Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Mail Beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2007 Report Share Posted June 6, 2007 Dear Prashant, //on the elections do u want me to comment? let me know// Not necessary :-) I just used that as an example of how things can get out of balance over time, and the natural tendancy of creative intelligence to restore the balance in (a democratic) society/community for the good of all (these groups being communities in their own right). Things are somewhat different of course in undemocratic societies where violence is often the only mode for change. Rgds, Wendy __________ , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > > Dear Wendy, > > I can answer only the part u have marked in //between \\ for convience > > We used to have good debates inseveral threads in the past with some good end enterprising ones apart from seniors and I remember Mr Sreenadh - who seems back here now - quite a strong researcher and firm base. was torn apart by RR's satirical swipes at his effort and some other ones also say on Guru as a benefic- > AND BETWEEN HIM AND HIS RRIENDS WNE INTO POETRY ETC susbstance lost and later some other lesser elements ENTERED AND DON'T LIKE EVEN A REF or question on their lines, feeling they r more than absolute, so most threads ended in acrimony than enlighten people > > some good ones by Pt. Arjun on diff planets say Sun, Moon went on and did not last the distance. > > on the elections do u want me to comment? let me know > > best wishes > > Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote: Dear Prashant, > > As you know (I'm sure) it's not my practice to interfere with the smooth (or > not) running of other groups as each one has its own character which differs > greatly from one to the other - hence my (unsuccessful) attempt at anonymity > :-( > > It just so happened that I had recently been discussing, over the telephone, > this particular (Nabhi) yoga with an old student (now a practicing > astrologer/lecturer) and it was still fresh in my mind when I came across > the query on this group. Almost without thinking I replied and, as is often > the case, one post led to another which was not my intention. > > You Wrote: > ///when there is an imbalance their is complexes that take the debates in > tangents than forward/// > > We are only months away from a Federal election here and it looks very much > like, for the first time in eleven years, the Labor party is streaks ahead > of the Liberals...a good thing in my opinion as the Liberals have moved too > far to the right (Capitalism) and turned their back on the ordinary > worker...the backbone of this country! Balance needs to be restored and so > we see the resurgence of the Labor movement after so many years in > opposition... > > The point is, that, sooner or later, the pendulum will swing back towards > the center and balance will be restored - this is the irresistible force of > nature - to restore balance one way or the other! If we contribute to the > imbalance (even by opposing it) it will escalate to the point where it can > only be restored through a catastrophic event. But, if we ourselves remain > balanced, then our surroundings will respond to that in a balanced way. > > I'm thinking of the VAlist that closed recently after 11 years. It was one > of the very first (if not THE first) jyotish discussion group on the Web, > and, for a long time, it fulfilled a wonderful purpose. However, due the > saddest circumstances, balance could not be restored and it was closed > down...a catastrophic event! > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > __ > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> > wrote: > > Member, > > a well made point, > > u have a few universities in India teaching Jyotish 1st was Osmania then AP > university, hear some 16 of them do have a Bacholers in it. > > others that have made a strong impact have been ICAS, HOSE COURSES COMRISES > A > GOOD BALANCE OF CLASSICAL AND MODERN WORKS is producing many good brains, > apart > from bHARATIYA vIDYA bHAVAN'S COURSE > K N Rao;s group;s works is the best example one can give from such an effort > others are there too, anyone doing a 2 yr ICAS course can help themselves a > lot > I keep telling members it is possible that each semister has different > components and when they do one they r good 2nd they r better, 3rd they are > strong in the subject and 4th they r many miles ahead of anyone of us here. > on > the theoritical side and practical side as well. > > and the real practical side comes whenthey apply it in day to day life > cases. > they have a lot of group discussions every week, good topical seminars every > 2-3 > weeks and some special occassion seminars when a visiting astro comes to any > other city. the way they share their knowledge and help budding talent is > what I > have tried to do over here too. > > but not many contribute healthily in threads here and has led to acrimony so > I > RESIST myself entering into threads, stick to chart readings I had mentioned > in > last July itself one needs t o be on a similar plane and equipped to > understand > them when there is an imbalance their is complexes that take the debates in > tangents than forward so for peace I stay away from them, though I read one > or > two and deicode no I will not enter. > > A GOOD POST MEMBER. > > Best wishes > > wenvasuk <jyotish@> wrote: In > todays world there are academies for those few who's great passion > for swimming leads them to become the best swimmers they possibly > can. They learn the best techniques for butterfly, backstroke, > freestyle and breaststroke under the guidence of expert coaches > (teachers)...some even go on to swim at the Olympics! Of course, for > those who swim simply for their own enjoyment ('swimming simple') > there is really no need for a coach to teach them the finer > techniques of butterfly, backstroke, freestyle etc.. > > This analogy applies also to jyotish, don't you agree :-) > ___ > > , " astroiniket " > <astroiniket@> wrote: > > > > there was a person who did PHD in swiming, once he was going > somewhere > > through boat, he asked to to Mallah (Kewat) do you know butterfly > > strokes, he told no sir, he again asked do you know back strocks, > > kewat again told no sir, he asked again do you know front strokes, > > kewat answered no sir, he comment to kewat what you know about > > swiming, nothing, sudenly one big wave came boat was started > sheking, > > Kewat asked to PHD sir save your life, you know all strokes, i know > > only swiming simple,......................................... > > > > bhaskerji may tell " is kahani se hame kya shiksha miltee hai " > > > > i read it today in one story bookfor kids, so as usual i want to > share > > with all of you. > > > > regards > > niket > > > Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. > Try the Mail Beta. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2007 Report Share Posted June 6, 2007 I second all that has been said by Prashantji, this forum did indeed go through a 'waffley' phase where the list was dominated by pointless exchanges on irrelevant topics and poetry. Without naming names, certain posters were acting as unofficial moderators, puncturing any potential jyotish related discussions /learning queries with demotivating responses and indirectly avoiding the sharing knowledge or experience. We are fortunate that these people no longer 'bless' us with their presence Recently the forum has taken a turn in a different direction, with much of the traffic centring on trivial disputes with a firm root in individual egos underpinned by commercial motivations. It is a concern that posts with highly volatile, explicit and derogatory content have been allowed to be posted and those responsible not subjected to moderation. It seems that now any potential debate or discussion on Jyotish principles is being prevented by a paranoia that all such queries are being made by the opposition with alias ids. I think it should be noted by all that there are many members who are regular readers and merely because they do not contribute to the so- called `service' of free readings, this does not disqualify them from participating to discussions'/ voicing their concerns when the need be. Anyhow let's hope that this forum can return to discussion /debate/sharing of jyotish knowledge in the purest sense once more. , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > > Dear Wendy, > > I can answer only the part u have marked in //between \\ for convience > > We used to have good debates inseveral threads in the past with some good end enterprising ones apart from seniors and I remember Mr Sreenadh - who seems back here now - quite a strong researcher and firm base. was torn apart by RR's satirical swipes at his effort and some other ones also say on Guru as a benefic- > AND BETWEEN HIM AND HIS RRIENDS WNE INTO POETRY ETC susbstance lost and later some other lesser elements ENTERED AND DON'T LIKE EVEN A REF or question on their lines, feeling they r more than absolute, so most threads ended in acrimony than enlighten people > > some good ones by Pt. Arjun on diff planets say Sun, Moon went on and did not last the distance. > > on the elections do u want me to comment? let me know > > best wishes > > Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote: Dear Prashant, > > As you know (I'm sure) it's not my practice to interfere with the smooth (or > not) running of other groups as each one has its own character which differs > greatly from one to the other - hence my (unsuccessful) attempt at anonymity > :-( > > It just so happened that I had recently been discussing, over the telephone, > this particular (Nabhi) yoga with an old student (now a practicing > astrologer/lecturer) and it was still fresh in my mind when I came across > the query on this group. Almost without thinking I replied and, as is often > the case, one post led to another which was not my intention. > > You Wrote: > ///when there is an imbalance their is complexes that take the debates in > tangents than forward/// > > We are only months away from a Federal election here and it looks very much > like, for the first time in eleven years, the Labor party is streaks ahead > of the Liberals...a good thing in my opinion as the Liberals have moved too > far to the right (Capitalism) and turned their back on the ordinary > worker...the backbone of this country! Balance needs to be restored and so > we see the resurgence of the Labor movement after so many years in > opposition... > > The point is, that, sooner or later, the pendulum will swing back towards > the center and balance will be restored - this is the irresistible force of > nature - to restore balance one way or the other! If we contribute to the > imbalance (even by opposing it) it will escalate to the point where it can > only be restored through a catastrophic event. But, if we ourselves remain > balanced, then our surroundings will respond to that in a balanced way. > > I'm thinking of the VAlist that closed recently after 11 years. It was one > of the very first (if not THE first) jyotish discussion group on the Web, > and, for a long time, it fulfilled a wonderful purpose. However, due the > saddest circumstances, balance could not be restored and it was closed > down...a catastrophic event! > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > __ > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> > wrote: > > Member, > > a well made point, > > u have a few universities in India teaching Jyotish 1st was Osmania then AP > university, hear some 16 of them do have a Bacholers in it. > > others that have made a strong impact have been ICAS, HOSE COURSES COMRISES > A > GOOD BALANCE OF CLASSICAL AND MODERN WORKS is producing many good brains, > apart > from bHARATIYA vIDYA bHAVAN'S COURSE > K N Rao;s group;s works is the best example one can give from such an effort > others are there too, anyone doing a 2 yr ICAS course can help themselves a > lot > I keep telling members it is possible that each semister has different > components and when they do one they r good 2nd they r better, 3rd they are > strong in the subject and 4th they r many miles ahead of anyone of us here. > on > the theoritical side and practical side as well. > > and the real practical side comes whenthey apply it in day to day life > cases. > they have a lot of group discussions every week, good topical seminars every > 2-3 > weeks and some special occassion seminars when a visiting astro comes to any > other city. the way they share their knowledge and help budding talent is > what I > have tried to do over here too. > > but not many contribute healthily in threads here and has led to acrimony so > I > RESIST myself entering into threads, stick to chart readings I had mentioned > in > last July itself one needs t o be on a similar plane and equipped to > understand > them when there is an imbalance their is complexes that take the debates in > tangents than forward so for peace I stay away from them, though I read one > or > two and deicode no I will not enter. > > A GOOD POST MEMBER. > > Best wishes > > wenvasuk <jyotish@> wrote: In > todays world there are academies for those few who's great passion > for swimming leads them to become the best swimmers they possibly > can. They learn the best techniques for butterfly, backstroke, > freestyle and breaststroke under the guidence of expert coaches > (teachers)...some even go on to swim at the Olympics! Of course, for > those who swim simply for their own enjoyment ('swimming simple') > there is really no need for a coach to teach them the finer > techniques of butterfly, backstroke, freestyle etc.. > > This analogy applies also to jyotish, don't you agree :-) > ___ > > , " astroiniket " > <astroiniket@> wrote: > > > > there was a person who did PHD in swiming, once he was going > somewhere > > through boat, he asked to to Mallah (Kewat) do you know butterfly > > strokes, he told no sir, he again asked do you know back strocks, > > kewat again told no sir, he asked again do you know front strokes, > > kewat answered no sir, he comment to kewat what you know about > > swiming, nothing, sudenly one big wave came boat was started > sheking, > > Kewat asked to PHD sir save your life, you know all strokes, i know > > only swiming simple,......................................... > > > > bhaskerji may tell " is kahani se hame kya shiksha miltee hai " > > > > i read it today in one story bookfor kids, so as usual i want to > share > > with all of you. > > > > regards > > niket > > > Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. > Try the Mail Beta. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2007 Report Share Posted June 6, 2007 I second all that has been said by Prashantji, this forum did indeed go through a 'waffley' phase where the list was dominated by pointless exchanges on irrelevant topics and poetry. Without naming names, certain posters were acting as unofficial moderators, puncturing any potential jyotish related discussions /learning queries with demotivating responses and indirectly avoiding the sharing knowledge or experience. We are fortunate that these people no longer 'bless' us with their presence Recently the forum has taken a turn in a different direction, with much of the traffic centring on trivial disputes with a firm root in individual egos underpinned by commercial motivations. It is a concern that posts with highly volatile, explicit and derogatory content have been allowed to be posted and those responsible not subjected to moderation. It seems that now any potential debate or discussion on Jyotish principles is being prevented by a paranoia that all such queries are being made by the opposition with alias ids. I think it should be noted by all that there are many members who are regular readers and merely because they do not contribute to the so- called `service' of free readings, this does not disqualify them from participating to discussions'/ voicing their concerns when the need be. Anyhow let's hope that this forum can return to discussion /debate/sharing of jyotish knowledge in the purest sense once more. , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > > Dear Wendy, > > I can answer only the part u have marked in //between \\ for convience > > We used to have good debates inseveral threads in the past with some good end enterprising ones apart from seniors and I remember Mr Sreenadh - who seems back here now - quite a strong researcher and firm base. was torn apart by RR's satirical swipes at his effort and some other ones also say on Guru as a benefic- > AND BETWEEN HIM AND HIS RRIENDS WNE INTO POETRY ETC susbstance lost and later some other lesser elements ENTERED AND DON'T LIKE EVEN A REF or question on their lines, feeling they r more than absolute, so most threads ended in acrimony than enlighten people > > some good ones by Pt. Arjun on diff planets say Sun, Moon went on and did not last the distance. > > on the elections do u want me to comment? let me know > > best wishes > > Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote: Dear Prashant, > > As you know (I'm sure) it's not my practice to interfere with the smooth (or > not) running of other groups as each one has its own character which differs > greatly from one to the other - hence my (unsuccessful) attempt at anonymity > :-( > > It just so happened that I had recently been discussing, over the telephone, > this particular (Nabhi) yoga with an old student (now a practicing > astrologer/lecturer) and it was still fresh in my mind when I came across > the query on this group. Almost without thinking I replied and, as is often > the case, one post led to another which was not my intention. > > You Wrote: > ///when there is an imbalance their is complexes that take the debates in > tangents than forward/// > > We are only months away from a Federal election here and it looks very much > like, for the first time in eleven years, the Labor party is streaks ahead > of the Liberals...a good thing in my opinion as the Liberals have moved too > far to the right (Capitalism) and turned their back on the ordinary > worker...the backbone of this country! Balance needs to be restored and so > we see the resurgence of the Labor movement after so many years in > opposition... > > The point is, that, sooner or later, the pendulum will swing back towards > the center and balance will be restored - this is the irresistible force of > nature - to restore balance one way or the other! If we contribute to the > imbalance (even by opposing it) it will escalate to the point where it can > only be restored through a catastrophic event. But, if we ourselves remain > balanced, then our surroundings will respond to that in a balanced way. > > I'm thinking of the VAlist that closed recently after 11 years. It was one > of the very first (if not THE first) jyotish discussion group on the Web, > and, for a long time, it fulfilled a wonderful purpose. However, due the > saddest circumstances, balance could not be restored and it was closed > down...a catastrophic event! > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > __ > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> > wrote: > > Member, > > a well made point, > > u have a few universities in India teaching Jyotish 1st was Osmania then AP > university, hear some 16 of them do have a Bacholers in it. > > others that have made a strong impact have been ICAS, HOSE COURSES COMRISES > A > GOOD BALANCE OF CLASSICAL AND MODERN WORKS is producing many good brains, > apart > from bHARATIYA vIDYA bHAVAN'S COURSE > K N Rao;s group;s works is the best example one can give from such an effort > others are there too, anyone doing a 2 yr ICAS course can help themselves a > lot > I keep telling members it is possible that each semister has different > components and when they do one they r good 2nd they r better, 3rd they are > strong in the subject and 4th they r many miles ahead of anyone of us here. > on > the theoritical side and practical side as well. > > and the real practical side comes whenthey apply it in day to day life > cases. > they have a lot of group discussions every week, good topical seminars every > 2-3 > weeks and some special occassion seminars when a visiting astro comes to any > other city. the way they share their knowledge and help budding talent is > what I > have tried to do over here too. > > but not many contribute healthily in threads here and has led to acrimony so > I > RESIST myself entering into threads, stick to chart readings I had mentioned > in > last July itself one needs t o be on a similar plane and equipped to > understand > them when there is an imbalance their is complexes that take the debates in > tangents than forward so for peace I stay away from them, though I read one > or > two and deicode no I will not enter. > > A GOOD POST MEMBER. > > Best wishes > > wenvasuk <jyotish@> wrote: In > todays world there are academies for those few who's great passion > for swimming leads them to become the best swimmers they possibly > can. They learn the best techniques for butterfly, backstroke, > freestyle and breaststroke under the guidence of expert coaches > (teachers)...some even go on to swim at the Olympics! Of course, for > those who swim simply for their own enjoyment ('swimming simple') > there is really no need for a coach to teach them the finer > techniques of butterfly, backstroke, freestyle etc.. > > This analogy applies also to jyotish, don't you agree :-) > ___ > > , " astroiniket " > <astroiniket@> wrote: > > > > there was a person who did PHD in swiming, once he was going > somewhere > > through boat, he asked to to Mallah (Kewat) do you know butterfly > > strokes, he told no sir, he again asked do you know back strocks, > > kewat again told no sir, he asked again do you know front strokes, > > kewat answered no sir, he comment to kewat what you know about > > swiming, nothing, sudenly one big wave came boat was started > sheking, > > Kewat asked to PHD sir save your life, you know all strokes, i know > > only swiming simple,......................................... > > > > bhaskerji may tell " is kahani se hame kya shiksha miltee hai " > > > > i read it today in one story bookfor kids, so as usual i want to > share > > with all of you. > > > > regards > > niket > > > Expecting? 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Guest guest Posted June 6, 2007 Report Share Posted June 6, 2007 As soon as the Forum comes to normal semblance, one has to strike a match to create Fires...... // It seems that now any potential debate or discussion on Jyotish principles is being prevented by a paranoia that all such queries are being made by the opposition with alias ids.// Your above lines apparently point to my presumption about alias ids. This is not paronia but quite obvious. Why should any one suddenly out of the blue ask a question about disadvantages of a system ? Was there any inkling or some methodology to this Query incidentally ? No. What is there in above Query which we can call as " Potential Debate or Discussion on Jyotish principles " ? In Your mail instead of You saying that one should refrain from talking negative about any system or approach, You are instead talking something which on the contrary pampers more people to come as negative Querents and asking for inputs on Queries which should not be put up in the first place. Did that Query contain any reason as to why the Querent is wanting to know about the disadvantages of Kp system ? Did he present any reason asto why he felt there is some diadvantage ? There was no base made. No explanations. But just straightaway one is asking for disadvantages on Kp system, Yet I answered properly without getting flared up, and now since no one has been able to spoil the euilibrium of the Forum, you are having problems, you are trying to accentuate it,as it seems you are holding something to your heart, we do not know what. Sir that was a mischief mail either done in ignorance of the mischief (That is posted innocently), and by the looks of Your mail, it is pretty clear now, that the main intentions of that mail was to start and brew more trouble here, and disturb the smooth proceedings of the Forum. Now we have more guesses to make as to who is having so many common ids, and they keep coming' daily incessantly with new weapons. // I think it should be noted by all that there are many members who are regular readers and merely because they do not contribute to the so- called `service' of free readings, this does not disqualify them from participating to discussions'/ voicing their concerns when the need be.// It also does not qualify the commercial astrologers, whose interests are being harmed due to these free readings, and who are having multitudes of supplementary e mail ids, to start trouble here, or feel bad if some trouble has been prevented. Therefore let us concentrate if one is a real well wisher of the Forum, , instead of harping upon the replies given by innocent people doing selfless service , ask the trouble makers.not to put controversial Queries and if they cannot do so, then at least not support them, by equalising their Queries as Jyotish principles or potential debate. Bhaskar. , " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan wrote: > > > I second all that has been said by Prashantji, this forum did indeed > go through a 'waffley' phase where the list was dominated by > pointless exchanges on irrelevant topics and poetry. Without naming > names, certain posters were acting as unofficial moderators, > puncturing any potential jyotish related discussions /learning > queries with demotivating responses and indirectly avoiding the > sharing knowledge or experience. We are fortunate that these people > no longer 'bless' us with their presence > > Recently the forum has taken a turn in a different direction, with > much of the traffic centring on trivial disputes with a firm root in > individual egos underpinned by commercial motivations. It is a > concern that posts with highly volatile, explicit and derogatory > content have been allowed to be posted and those responsible not > subjected to moderation. It seems that now any potential debate or > discussion on Jyotish principles is being prevented by a paranoia > that all such queries are being made by the opposition with alias ids. > > I think it should be noted by all that there are many members who are > regular readers and merely because they do not contribute to the so- > called `service' of free readings, this does not disqualify them from > participating to discussions'/ voicing their concerns when the need > be. > > Anyhow let's hope that this forum can return to > discussion /debate/sharing of jyotish knowledge in the purest sense > once more. > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > Dear Wendy, > > > > I can answer only the part u have marked in //between \\ for > convience > > > > We used to have good debates inseveral threads in the past with > some good end enterprising ones apart from seniors and I remember Mr > Sreenadh - who seems back here now - quite a strong researcher and > firm base. was torn apart by RR's satirical swipes at his effort and > some other ones also say on Guru as a benefic- > > AND BETWEEN HIM AND HIS RRIENDS WNE INTO POETRY ETC susbstance lost > and later some other lesser elements ENTERED AND DON'T LIKE EVEN A > REF or question on their lines, feeling they r more than absolute, so > most threads ended in acrimony than enlighten people > > > > some good ones by Pt. Arjun on diff planets say Sun, Moon went on > and did not last the distance. > > > > on the elections do u want me to comment? let me know > > > > best wishes > > > > Wendy Vasicek <jyotish@> wrote: > Dear Prashant, > > > > As you know (I'm sure) it's not my practice to interfere with the > smooth (or > > not) running of other groups as each one has its own character > which differs > > greatly from one to the other - hence my (unsuccessful) attempt at > anonymity > > :-( > > > > It just so happened that I had recently been discussing, over the > telephone, > > this particular (Nabhi) yoga with an old student (now a practicing > > astrologer/lecturer) and it was still fresh in my mind when I came > across > > the query on this group. Almost without thinking I replied and, as > is often > > the case, one post led to another which was not my intention. > > > > You Wrote: > > ///when there is an imbalance their is complexes that take the > debates in > > tangents than forward/// > > > > We are only months away from a Federal election here and it looks > very much > > like, for the first time in eleven years, the Labor party is > streaks ahead > > of the Liberals...a good thing in my opinion as the Liberals have > moved too > > far to the right (Capitalism) and turned their back on the > ordinary > > worker...the backbone of this country! Balance needs to be > restored and so > > we see the resurgence of the Labor movement after so many years in > > opposition... > > > > The point is, that, sooner or later, the pendulum will swing back > towards > > the center and balance will be restored - this is the irresistible > force of > > nature - to restore balance one way or the other! If we contribute > to the > > imbalance (even by opposing it) it will escalate to the point > where it can > > only be restored through a catastrophic event. But, if we > ourselves remain > > balanced, then our surroundings will respond to that in a balanced > way. > > > > I'm thinking of the VAlist that closed recently after 11 years. It > was one > > of the very first (if not THE first) jyotish discussion group on > the Web, > > and, for a long time, it fulfilled a wonderful purpose. However, > due the > > saddest circumstances, balance could not be restored and it was > closed > > down...a catastrophic event! > > > > Best Wishes, > > Mrs. Wendy > > __ > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > <gbp_kumar@> > > wrote: > > > > Member, > > > > a well made point, > > > > u have a few universities in India teaching Jyotish 1st was > Osmania then AP > > university, hear some 16 of them do have a Bacholers in it. > > > > others that have made a strong impact have been ICAS, HOSE COURSES > COMRISES > > A > > GOOD BALANCE OF CLASSICAL AND MODERN WORKS is producing many good > brains, > > apart > > from bHARATIYA vIDYA bHAVAN'S COURSE > > K N Rao;s group;s works is the best example one can give from such > an effort > > others are there too, anyone doing a 2 yr ICAS course can help > themselves a > > lot > > I keep telling members it is possible that each semister has > different > > components and when they do one they r good 2nd they r better, 3rd > they are > > strong in the subject and 4th they r many miles ahead of anyone of > us here. > > on > > the theoritical side and practical side as well. > > > > and the real practical side comes whenthey apply it in day to day > life > > cases. > > they have a lot of group discussions every week, good topical > seminars every > > 2-3 > > weeks and some special occassion seminars when a visiting astro > comes to any > > other city. the way they share their knowledge and help budding > talent is > > what I > > have tried to do over here too. > > > > but not many contribute healthily in threads here and has led to > acrimony so > > I > > RESIST myself entering into threads, stick to chart readings I had > mentioned > > in > > last July itself one needs t o be on a similar plane and equipped > to > > understand > > them when there is an imbalance their is complexes that take the > debates in > > tangents than forward so for peace I stay away from them, though I > read one > > or > > two and deicode no I will not enter. > > > > A GOOD POST MEMBER. > > > > Best wishes > > > > wenvasuk <jyotish@> wrote: In > > todays world there are academies for those few who's great passion > > for swimming leads them to become the best swimmers they possibly > > can. They learn the best techniques for butterfly, backstroke, > > freestyle and breaststroke under the guidence of expert coaches > > (teachers)...some even go on to swim at the Olympics! Of course, > for > > those who swim simply for their own enjoyment ('swimming simple') > > there is really no need for a coach to teach them the finer > > techniques of butterfly, backstroke, freestyle etc.. > > > > This analogy applies also to jyotish, don't you agree :-) > > ___ > > > > , " astroiniket " > > <astroiniket@> wrote: > > > > > > there was a person who did PHD in swiming, once he was going > > somewhere > > > through boat, he asked to to Mallah (Kewat) do you know butterfly > > > strokes, he told no sir, he again asked do you know back strocks, > > > kewat again told no sir, he asked again do you know front > strokes, > > > kewat answered no sir, he comment to kewat what you know about > > > swiming, nothing, sudenly one big wave came boat was started > > sheking, > > > Kewat asked to PHD sir save your life, you know all strokes, i > know > > > only swiming simple,......................................... > > > > > > bhaskerji may tell " is kahani se hame kya shiksha miltee hai " > > > > > > i read it today in one story bookfor kids, so as usual i want to > > share > > > with all of you. > > > > > > regards > > > niket > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Expecting? 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Guest guest Posted June 6, 2007 Report Share Posted June 6, 2007 Bhaskarji, I do not wish to enter into any debate with you about my intentions as it is most certainly likely to turn into an unnecessary convolution. My main point, as you have proven in your response once again, is that this recent trend of paranoia, self-ego and commercialism is destroying the sharing of knowledge and the morale of both readers and posters alike. It is interesting that the accusations of alias ids and attacks on credibility of regular posters (or perceived competitors?) have coincided with the establishment of fee-charging consultation websites by the accusers. Correlation is but causation is not implied. When there is a persistent, prolonged, unjust and unnecessary spreading of false values and poor morals, and when there is no indication of any calm ( if you feel that constant sniping and provocation is calm, then please spare us all) , it is only right to voice concern. It is difficult to categorise yourself as an innocent or a victim when every two weeks or so by virtue of your misplaced sense of ethics, we all have to witness your increasingly boring dramas and attacks. Astrologically, a debilitated Jupiter in the company of 6th lord Saturn, in the 6th house of disputes together with a powerful Mars under the influence of Rahu in the ascendant all clearly point to the make up of a destructive personality. This is all made worse by virtue of the fact the dispositor of the Moon, Jupiter sits debilitated in the 6th. Jupiter is also the 5th lord of dharma, intelligence - I won't extend this any further. You may argue on KP principles that the positions change, but that is your methodology and there is a tendency for an excessive optimism bias. I have said this because I feel that this is what the silent majority are thinking and have been for the past year or so. There is no doubting your astrological abilities, indeed at one stage I held in high esteem your apparent ethical stance, but I have realised now that your behaviour on the whole lacks a moral ethos. Best wishes and no personal feelings are in heart – but what has to be said must be said and at the right time. , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > As soon as the Forum comes to normal semblance, > one has to strike a match to create Fires...... > > // It seems that now any potential debate or > discussion on Jyotish principles is being prevented by a paranoia > that all such queries are being made by the opposition with alias ids.// > > Your above lines apparently point to my presumption about alias > ids. This is not paronia but quite obvious. > > Why should any one suddenly out of the blue ask > a question about disadvantages of a system ? > Was there any inkling or some methodology > to this Query incidentally ? No. > > What is there in above Query > which we can call as " Potential Debate or > Discussion on Jyotish principles " ? > > In Your mail instead of You saying that one should refrain from > talking negative about any system or approach, You are instead > talking something which on the contrary pampers more people > to come as negative Querents and asking for inputs on > Queries which should not be put up in the first place. > > Did that Query contain any reason as to why the Querent > is wanting to know about the disadvantages of Kp > system ? Did he present any reason asto why he felt there > is some diadvantage ? There was no base made. > No explanations. But just straightaway > one is asking for disadvantages on Kp system, > > Yet I answered properly without getting flared up, > and now since no one has been able to spoil the > euilibrium of the Forum, you are having > problems, > you are trying to accentuate it,as it seems > you are holding something to your heart, > we do not know what. > > Sir that was a mischief mail either done in ignorance > of the mischief (That is posted innocently), and by the looks > of Your mail, it is pretty clear now, that the main intentions > of that mail was to start and brew more > trouble here, and disturb the smooth > proceedings of the Forum. Now we have more > guesses to make > as to who is having so many common ids, and they keep > coming' daily incessantly with new weapons. > > // I think it should be noted by all that there are many members who are > regular readers and merely because they do not contribute to the so- > called `service' of free readings, this does not disqualify them from > participating to discussions'/ voicing their concerns when the need > be.// > > It also does not qualify the commercial astrologers, whose interests > are being harmed due to these free readings, and who are having multitudes > of supplementary e mail ids, to start trouble here, or feel bad > if some trouble has been prevented. > > Therefore let us concentrate if one is a real well wisher of > the Forum, , instead of harping upon the > replies given by innocent people doing selfless > service , ask the trouble makers.not to put controversial Queries > and if they cannot do so, then at least not > support them, by equalising their Queries as Jyotish > principles or potential debate. > > Bhaskar. > > > , " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan@> > wrote: > > > > > > I second all that has been said by Prashantji, this forum did indeed > > go through a 'waffley' phase where the list was dominated by > > pointless exchanges on irrelevant topics and poetry. Without naming > > names, certain posters were acting as unofficial moderators, > > puncturing any potential jyotish related discussions /learning > > queries with demotivating responses and indirectly avoiding the > > sharing knowledge or experience. We are fortunate that these people > > no longer 'bless' us with their presence > > > > Recently the forum has taken a turn in a different direction, with > > much of the traffic centring on trivial disputes with a firm root in > > individual egos underpinned by commercial motivations. It is a > > concern that posts with highly volatile, explicit and derogatory > > content have been allowed to be posted and those responsible not > > subjected to moderation. It seems that now any potential debate or > > discussion on Jyotish principles is being prevented by a paranoia > > that all such queries are being made by the opposition with alias ids. > > > > I think it should be noted by all that there are many members who are > > regular readers and merely because they do not contribute to the so- > > called `service' of free readings, this does not disqualify them from > > participating to discussions'/ voicing their concerns when the need > > be. > > > > Anyhow let's hope that this forum can return to > > discussion /debate/sharing of jyotish knowledge in the purest sense > > once more. > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Wendy, > > > > > > I can answer only the part u have marked in //between \\ for > > convience > > > > > > We used to have good debates inseveral threads in the past with > > some good end enterprising ones apart from seniors and I remember Mr > > Sreenadh - who seems back here now - quite a strong researcher and > > firm base. was torn apart by RR's satirical swipes at his effort and > > some other ones also say on Guru as a benefic- > > > AND BETWEEN HIM AND HIS RRIENDS WNE INTO POETRY ETC susbstance lost > > and later some other lesser elements ENTERED AND DON'T LIKE EVEN A > > REF or question on their lines, feeling they r more than absolute, so > > most threads ended in acrimony than enlighten people > > > > > > some good ones by Pt. Arjun on diff planets say Sun, Moon went on > > and did not last the distance. > > > > > > on the elections do u want me to comment? let me know > > > > > > best wishes > > > > > > Wendy Vasicek <jyotish@> wrote: > > Dear Prashant, > > > > > > As you know (I'm sure) it's not my practice to interfere with the > > smooth (or > > > not) running of other groups as each one has its own character > > which differs > > > greatly from one to the other - hence my (unsuccessful) attempt at > > anonymity > > > :-( > > > > > > It just so happened that I had recently been discussing, over the > > telephone, > > > this particular (Nabhi) yoga with an old student (now a practicing > > > astrologer/lecturer) and it was still fresh in my mind when I came > > across > > > the query on this group. Almost without thinking I replied and, as > > is often > > > the case, one post led to another which was not my intention. > > > > > > You Wrote: > > > ///when there is an imbalance their is complexes that take the > > debates in > > > tangents than forward/// > > > > > > We are only months away from a Federal election here and it looks > > very much > > > like, for the first time in eleven years, the Labor party is > > streaks ahead > > > of the Liberals...a good thing in my opinion as the Liberals have > > moved too > > > far to the right (Capitalism) and turned their back on the > > ordinary > > > worker...the backbone of this country! Balance needs to be > > restored and so > > > we see the resurgence of the Labor movement after so many years in > > > opposition... > > > > > > The point is, that, sooner or later, the pendulum will swing back > > towards > > > the center and balance will be restored - this is the irresistible > > force of > > > nature - to restore balance one way or the other! If we contribute > > to the > > > imbalance (even by opposing it) it will escalate to the point > > where it can > > > only be restored through a catastrophic event. But, if we > > ourselves remain > > > balanced, then our surroundings will respond to that in a balanced > > way. > > > > > > I'm thinking of the VAlist that closed recently after 11 years. It > > was one > > > of the very first (if not THE first) jyotish discussion group on > > the Web, > > > and, for a long time, it fulfilled a wonderful purpose. However, > > due the > > > saddest circumstances, balance could not be restored and it was > > closed > > > down...a catastrophic event! > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > Mrs. Wendy > > > __ > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > <gbp_kumar@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > Member, > > > > > > a well made point, > > > > > > u have a few universities in India teaching Jyotish 1st was > > Osmania then AP > > > university, hear some 16 of them do have a Bacholers in it. > > > > > > others that have made a strong impact have been ICAS, HOSE COURSES > > COMRISES > > > A > > > GOOD BALANCE OF CLASSICAL AND MODERN WORKS is producing many good > > brains, > > > apart > > > from bHARATIYA vIDYA bHAVAN'S COURSE > > > K N Rao;s group;s works is the best example one can give from such > > an effort > > > others are there too, anyone doing a 2 yr ICAS course can help > > themselves a > > > lot > > > I keep telling members it is possible that each semister has > > different > > > components and when they do one they r good 2nd they r better, 3rd > > they are > > > strong in the subject and 4th they r many miles ahead of anyone of > > us here. > > > on > > > the theoritical side and practical side as well. > > > > > > and the real practical side comes whenthey apply it in day to day > > life > > > cases. > > > they have a lot of group discussions every week, good topical > > seminars every > > > 2-3 > > > weeks and some special occassion seminars when a visiting astro > > comes to any > > > other city. the way they share their knowledge and help budding > > talent is > > > what I > > > have tried to do over here too. > > > > > > but not many contribute healthily in threads here and has led to > > acrimony so > > > I > > > RESIST myself entering into threads, stick to chart readings I had > > mentioned > > > in > > > last July itself one needs t o be on a similar plane and equipped > > to > > > understand > > > them when there is an imbalance their is complexes that take the > > debates in > > > tangents than forward so for peace I stay away from them, though I > > read one > > > or > > > two and deicode no I will not enter. > > > > > > A GOOD POST MEMBER. > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > wenvasuk <jyotish@> wrote: In > > > todays world there are academies for those few who's great passion > > > for swimming leads them to become the best swimmers they possibly > > > can. They learn the best techniques for butterfly, backstroke, > > > freestyle and breaststroke under the guidence of expert coaches > > > (teachers)...some even go on to swim at the Olympics! Of course, > > for > > > those who swim simply for their own enjoyment ('swimming simple') > > > there is really no need for a coach to teach them the finer > > > techniques of butterfly, backstroke, freestyle etc.. > > > > > > This analogy applies also to jyotish, don't you agree :-) > > > ___ > > > > > > , " astroiniket " > > > <astroiniket@> wrote: > > > > > > > > there was a person who did PHD in swiming, once he was going > > > somewhere > > > > through boat, he asked to to Mallah (Kewat) do you know butterfly > > > > strokes, he told no sir, he again asked do you know back strocks, > > > > kewat again told no sir, he asked again do you know front > > strokes, > > > > kewat answered no sir, he comment to kewat what you know about > > > > swiming, nothing, sudenly one big wave came boat was started > > > sheking, > > > > Kewat asked to PHD sir save your life, you know all strokes, i > > know > > > > only swiming simple,......................................... > > > > > > > > bhaskerji may tell " is kahani se hame kya shiksha miltee hai " > > > > > > > > i read it today in one story bookfor kids, so as usual i want to > > > share > > > > with all of you. > > > > > > > > regards > > > > niket > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Expecting? 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Guest guest Posted June 6, 2007 Report Share Posted June 6, 2007 Bhaskarji, I do not wish to enter into any debate with you about my intentions as it is most certainly likely to turn into an unnecessary convolution. My main point, as you have proven in your response once again, is that this recent trend of paranoia, self-ego and commercialism is destroying the sharing of knowledge and the morale of both readers and posters alike. It is interesting that the accusations of alias ids and attacks on credibility of regular posters (or perceived competitors?) have coincided with the establishment of fee-charging consultation websites by the accusers. Correlation is but causation is not implied. When there is a persistent, prolonged, unjust and unnecessary spreading of false values and poor morals, and when there is no indication of any calm ( if you feel that constant sniping and provocation is calm, then please spare us all) , it is only right to voice concern. It is difficult to categorise yourself as an innocent or a victim when every two weeks or so by virtue of your misplaced sense of ethics, we all have to witness your increasingly boring dramas and attacks. Astrologically, a debilitated Jupiter in the company of Saturn, in the 6th house of disputes together with a powerful Mars under the influence of Rahu in the ascendant all clearly point to the make up of a destructive personality. This is all made worse by virtue of the fact the dispositor of the Moon, Jupiter sits debilitated in the 6th. Jupiter is also the 5th lord of dharma, intelligence - I won't extend this any further. You may argue on KP principles that the positions change, but that is your methodology and an excessive optimism bias. I have said this because I feel that this is what the silent majority are thinking and have been for the past year or so. There is no doubting your astrological abilities, indeed at one stage I held in high esteem your apparent ethical stance, but I have realised now that your behaviour on the whole lacks a moral ethos. Best wishes and no personal feelings are in heart – but what has to be said must be said and at the right time. , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > As soon as the Forum comes to normal semblance, > one has to strike a match to create Fires...... > > // It seems that now any potential debate or > discussion on Jyotish principles is being prevented by a paranoia > that all such queries are being made by the opposition with alias ids.// > > Your above lines apparently point to my presumption about alias > ids. This is not paronia but quite obvious. > > Why should any one suddenly out of the blue ask > a question about disadvantages of a system ? > Was there any inkling or some methodology > to this Query incidentally ? No. > > What is there in above Query > which we can call as " Potential Debate or > Discussion on Jyotish principles " ? > > In Your mail instead of You saying that one should refrain from > talking negative about any system or approach, You are instead > talking something which on the contrary pampers more people > to come as negative Querents and asking for inputs on > Queries which should not be put up in the first place. > > Did that Query contain any reason as to why the Querent > is wanting to know about the disadvantages of Kp > system ? Did he present any reason asto why he felt there > is some diadvantage ? There was no base made. > No explanations. But just straightaway > one is asking for disadvantages on Kp system, > > Yet I answered properly without getting flared up, > and now since no one has been able to spoil the > euilibrium of the Forum, you are having > problems, > you are trying to accentuate it,as it seems > you are holding something to your heart, > we do not know what. > > Sir that was a mischief mail either done in ignorance > of the mischief (That is posted innocently), and by the looks > of Your mail, it is pretty clear now, that the main intentions > of that mail was to start and brew more > trouble here, and disturb the smooth > proceedings of the Forum. Now we have more > guesses to make > as to who is having so many common ids, and they keep > coming' daily incessantly with new weapons. > > // I think it should be noted by all that there are many members who are > regular readers and merely because they do not contribute to the so- > called `service' of free readings, this does not disqualify them from > participating to discussions'/ voicing their concerns when the need > be.// > > It also does not qualify the commercial astrologers, whose interests > are being harmed due to these free readings, and who are having multitudes > of supplementary e mail ids, to start trouble here, or feel bad > if some trouble has been prevented. > > Therefore let us concentrate if one is a real well wisher of > the Forum, , instead of harping upon the > replies given by innocent people doing selfless > service , ask the trouble makers.not to put controversial Queries > and if they cannot do so, then at least not > support them, by equalising their Queries as Jyotish > principles or potential debate. > > Bhaskar. > > > , " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan@> > wrote: > > > > > > I second all that has been said by Prashantji, this forum did indeed > > go through a 'waffley' phase where the list was dominated by > > pointless exchanges on irrelevant topics and poetry. Without naming > > names, certain posters were acting as unofficial moderators, > > puncturing any potential jyotish related discussions /learning > > queries with demotivating responses and indirectly avoiding the > > sharing knowledge or experience. We are fortunate that these people > > no longer 'bless' us with their presence > > > > Recently the forum has taken a turn in a different direction, with > > much of the traffic centring on trivial disputes with a firm root in > > individual egos underpinned by commercial motivations. It is a > > concern that posts with highly volatile, explicit and derogatory > > content have been allowed to be posted and those responsible not > > subjected to moderation. It seems that now any potential debate or > > discussion on Jyotish principles is being prevented by a paranoia > > that all such queries are being made by the opposition with alias ids. > > > > I think it should be noted by all that there are many members who are > > regular readers and merely because they do not contribute to the so- > > called `service' of free readings, this does not disqualify them from > > participating to discussions'/ voicing their concerns when the need > > be. > > > > Anyhow let's hope that this forum can return to > > discussion /debate/sharing of jyotish knowledge in the purest sense > > once more. > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Wendy, > > > > > > I can answer only the part u have marked in //between \\ for > > convience > > > > > > We used to have good debates inseveral threads in the past with > > some good end enterprising ones apart from seniors and I remember Mr > > Sreenadh - who seems back here now - quite a strong researcher and > > firm base. was torn apart by RR's satirical swipes at his effort and > > some other ones also say on Guru as a benefic- > > > AND BETWEEN HIM AND HIS RRIENDS WNE INTO POETRY ETC susbstance lost > > and later some other lesser elements ENTERED AND DON'T LIKE EVEN A > > REF or question on their lines, feeling they r more than absolute, so > > most threads ended in acrimony than enlighten people > > > > > > some good ones by Pt. Arjun on diff planets say Sun, Moon went on > > and did not last the distance. > > > > > > on the elections do u want me to comment? let me know > > > > > > best wishes > > > > > > Wendy Vasicek <jyotish@> wrote: > > Dear Prashant, > > > > > > As you know (I'm sure) it's not my practice to interfere with the > > smooth (or > > > not) running of other groups as each one has its own character > > which differs > > > greatly from one to the other - hence my (unsuccessful) attempt at > > anonymity > > > :-( > > > > > > It just so happened that I had recently been discussing, over the > > telephone, > > > this particular (Nabhi) yoga with an old student (now a practicing > > > astrologer/lecturer) and it was still fresh in my mind when I came > > across > > > the query on this group. Almost without thinking I replied and, as > > is often > > > the case, one post led to another which was not my intention. > > > > > > You Wrote: > > > ///when there is an imbalance their is complexes that take the > > debates in > > > tangents than forward/// > > > > > > We are only months away from a Federal election here and it looks > > very much > > > like, for the first time in eleven years, the Labor party is > > streaks ahead > > > of the Liberals...a good thing in my opinion as the Liberals have > > moved too > > > far to the right (Capitalism) and turned their back on the > > ordinary > > > worker...the backbone of this country! Balance needs to be > > restored and so > > > we see the resurgence of the Labor movement after so many years in > > > opposition... > > > > > > The point is, that, sooner or later, the pendulum will swing back > > towards > > > the center and balance will be restored - this is the irresistible > > force of > > > nature - to restore balance one way or the other! If we contribute > > to the > > > imbalance (even by opposing it) it will escalate to the point > > where it can > > > only be restored through a catastrophic event. But, if we > > ourselves remain > > > balanced, then our surroundings will respond to that in a balanced > > way. > > > > > > I'm thinking of the VAlist that closed recently after 11 years. It > > was one > > > of the very first (if not THE first) jyotish discussion group on > > the Web, > > > and, for a long time, it fulfilled a wonderful purpose. However, > > due the > > > saddest circumstances, balance could not be restored and it was > > closed > > > down...a catastrophic event! > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > Mrs. Wendy > > > __ > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > <gbp_kumar@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > Member, > > > > > > a well made point, > > > > > > u have a few universities in India teaching Jyotish 1st was > > Osmania then AP > > > university, hear some 16 of them do have a Bacholers in it. > > > > > > others that have made a strong impact have been ICAS, HOSE COURSES > > COMRISES > > > A > > > GOOD BALANCE OF CLASSICAL AND MODERN WORKS is producing many good > > brains, > > > apart > > > from bHARATIYA vIDYA bHAVAN'S COURSE > > > K N Rao;s group;s works is the best example one can give from such > > an effort > > > others are there too, anyone doing a 2 yr ICAS course can help > > themselves a > > > lot > > > I keep telling members it is possible that each semister has > > different > > > components and when they do one they r good 2nd they r better, 3rd > > they are > > > strong in the subject and 4th they r many miles ahead of anyone of > > us here. > > > on > > > the theoritical side and practical side as well. > > > > > > and the real practical side comes whenthey apply it in day to day > > life > > > cases. > > > they have a lot of group discussions every week, good topical > > seminars every > > > 2-3 > > > weeks and some special occassion seminars when a visiting astro > > comes to any > > > other city. the way they share their knowledge and help budding > > talent is > > > what I > > > have tried to do over here too. > > > > > > but not many contribute healthily in threads here and has led to > > acrimony so > > > I > > > RESIST myself entering into threads, stick to chart readings I had > > mentioned > > > in > > > last July itself one needs t o be on a similar plane and equipped > > to > > > understand > > > them when there is an imbalance their is complexes that take the > > debates in > > > tangents than forward so for peace I stay away from them, though I > > read one > > > or > > > two and deicode no I will not enter. > > > > > > A GOOD POST MEMBER. > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > wenvasuk <jyotish@> wrote: In > > > todays world there are academies for those few who's great passion > > > for swimming leads them to become the best swimmers they possibly > > > can. They learn the best techniques for butterfly, backstroke, > > > freestyle and breaststroke under the guidence of expert coaches > > > (teachers)...some even go on to swim at the Olympics! Of course, > > for > > > those who swim simply for their own enjoyment ('swimming simple') > > > there is really no need for a coach to teach them the finer > > > techniques of butterfly, backstroke, freestyle etc.. > > > > > > This analogy applies also to jyotish, don't you agree :-) > > > ___ > > > > > > , " astroiniket " > > > <astroiniket@> wrote: > > > > > > > > there was a person who did PHD in swiming, once he was going > > > somewhere > > > > through boat, he asked to to Mallah (Kewat) do you know butterfly > > > > strokes, he told no sir, he again asked do you know back strocks, > > > > kewat again told no sir, he asked again do you know front > > strokes, > > > > kewat answered no sir, he comment to kewat what you know about > > > > swiming, nothing, sudenly one big wave came boat was started > > > sheking, > > > > Kewat asked to PHD sir save your life, you know all strokes, i > > know > > > > only swiming simple,......................................... > > > > > > > > bhaskerji may tell " is kahani se hame kya shiksha miltee hai " > > > > > > > > i read it today in one story bookfor kids, so as usual i want to > > > share > > > > with all of you. > > > > > > > > regards > > > > niket > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Expecting? 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Guest guest Posted June 6, 2007 Report Share Posted June 6, 2007 Dear Atmagnaniji, Sir its allright whatever You may think of me. Its Your prerogative too whatever You like to comment on my personal chart. But as regards to ethics. I have never lost them. //It is interesting that the accusations of alias ids and attacks on credibility of regular posters (or perceived competitors?) have coincided with the establishment of fee-charging consultation websites by the accusers. Correlation is but causation is not implied. // Website is not a co-incidence, but a purposely implied act, which let me tell you, has been put to the notice of the Owner /Moderator, before having done so. You may not know this, as this is not apparent. So You can ask the Owner if you wish. I feel sad that my good image has been lost in your heart. About the rest of the comments, its okay, i have not lost the good image of you, and you have the right to say whatever you like to me, about me, or my birth chart, or the position of the planets in it which produces the evil in me, Fine Sir. Wish you all the best, Bhaskar. , " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan wrote: > > Bhaskarji, > > I do not wish to enter into any debate with you about my intentions > as it is most certainly likely to turn into an unnecessary > convolution. > > My main point, as you have proven in your response once again, is > that this recent trend of paranoia, self-ego and commercialism is > destroying the sharing of knowledge and the morale of both readers > and posters alike. It is interesting that the accusations of alias > ids and attacks on credibility of regular posters (or perceived > competitors?) have coincided with the establishment of fee-charging > consultation websites by the accusers. Correlation is but causation > is not implied. > > When there is a persistent, prolonged, unjust and unnecessary > spreading of false values and poor morals, and when there is no > indication of any calm ( if you feel that constant sniping and > provocation is calm, then please spare us all) , it is only right to > voice concern. It is difficult to categorise yourself as an innocent > or a victim when every two weeks or so by virtue of your misplaced > sense of ethics, we all have to witness your increasingly boring > dramas and attacks. > > Astrologically, a debilitated Jupiter in the company of 6th lord > Saturn, in the 6th house of disputes together with a powerful Mars > under the influence of Rahu in the ascendant all clearly point to the > make up of a destructive personality. This is all made worse by > virtue of the fact the dispositor of the Moon, Jupiter sits > debilitated in the 6th. Jupiter is also the 5th lord of dharma, > intelligence - I won't extend this any further. You may argue on KP > principles that the positions change, but that is your methodology > and there is a tendency for an excessive optimism bias. > > I have said this because I feel that this is what the silent majority > are thinking and have been for the past year or so. There is no > doubting your astrological abilities, indeed at one stage I held in > high esteem your apparent ethical stance, but I have realised now > that your behaviour on the whole lacks a moral ethos. > > Best wishes and no personal feelings are in heart – but what has to > be said must be said and at the right time. > > , " Bhaskar " > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > As soon as the Forum comes to normal semblance, > > one has to strike a match to create Fires...... > > > > // It seems that now any potential debate or > > discussion on Jyotish principles is being prevented by a paranoia > > that all such queries are being made by the opposition with alias > ids.// > > > > Your above lines apparently point to my presumption about alias > > ids. This is not paronia but quite obvious. > > > > Why should any one suddenly out of the blue ask > > a question about disadvantages of a system ? > > Was there any inkling or some methodology > > to this Query incidentally ? No. > > > > What is there in above Query > > which we can call as " Potential Debate or > > Discussion on Jyotish principles " ? > > > > In Your mail instead of You saying that one should refrain from > > talking negative about any system or approach, You are instead > > talking something which on the contrary pampers more people > > to come as negative Querents and asking for inputs on > > Queries which should not be put up in the first place. > > > > Did that Query contain any reason as to why the Querent > > is wanting to know about the disadvantages of Kp > > system ? Did he present any reason asto why he felt there > > is some diadvantage ? There was no base made. > > No explanations. But just straightaway > > one is asking for disadvantages on Kp system, > > > > Yet I answered properly without getting flared up, > > and now since no one has been able to spoil the > > euilibrium of the Forum, you are having > > problems, > > you are trying to accentuate it,as it seems > > you are holding something to your heart, > > we do not know what. > > > > Sir that was a mischief mail either done in ignorance > > of the mischief (That is posted innocently), and by the looks > > of Your mail, it is pretty clear now, that the main intentions > > of that mail was to start and brew more > > trouble here, and disturb the smooth > > proceedings of the Forum. Now we have more > > guesses to make > > as to who is having so many common ids, and they keep > > coming' daily incessantly with new weapons. > > > > // I think it should be noted by all that there are many members > who are > > regular readers and merely because they do not contribute to the so- > > called `service' of free readings, this does not disqualify them > from > > participating to discussions'/ voicing their concerns when the need > > be.// > > > > It also does not qualify the commercial astrologers, whose interests > > are being harmed due to these free readings, and who are having > multitudes > > of supplementary e mail ids, to start trouble here, or feel bad > > if some trouble has been prevented. > > > > Therefore let us concentrate if one is a real well wisher of > > the Forum, , instead of harping upon the > > replies given by innocent people doing selfless > > service , ask the trouble makers.not to put controversial Queries > > and if they cannot do so, then at least not > > support them, by equalising their Queries as Jyotish > > principles or potential debate. > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > , " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > I second all that has been said by Prashantji, this forum did > indeed > > > go through a 'waffley' phase where the list was dominated by > > > pointless exchanges on irrelevant topics and poetry. Without > naming > > > names, certain posters were acting as unofficial moderators, > > > puncturing any potential jyotish related discussions /learning > > > queries with demotivating responses and indirectly avoiding the > > > sharing knowledge or experience. We are fortunate that these > people > > > no longer 'bless' us with their presence > > > > > > Recently the forum has taken a turn in a different direction, > with > > > much of the traffic centring on trivial disputes with a firm root > in > > > individual egos underpinned by commercial motivations. It is a > > > concern that posts with highly volatile, explicit and derogatory > > > content have been allowed to be posted and those responsible not > > > subjected to moderation. It seems that now any potential debate > or > > > discussion on Jyotish principles is being prevented by a > paranoia > > > that all such queries are being made by the opposition with alias > ids. > > > > > > I think it should be noted by all that there are many members who > are > > > regular readers and merely because they do not contribute to the > so- > > > called `service' of free readings, this does not disqualify them > from > > > participating to discussions'/ voicing their concerns when the > need > > > be. > > > > > > Anyhow let's hope that this forum can return to > > > discussion /debate/sharing of jyotish knowledge in the purest > sense > > > once more. > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Wendy, > > > > > > > > I can answer only the part u have marked in //between \\ for > > > convience > > > > > > > > We used to have good debates inseveral threads in the past with > > > some good end enterprising ones apart from seniors and I remember > Mr > > > Sreenadh - who seems back here now - quite a strong researcher > and > > > firm base. was torn apart by RR's satirical swipes at his effort > and > > > some other ones also say on Guru as a benefic- > > > > AND BETWEEN HIM AND HIS RRIENDS WNE INTO POETRY ETC susbstance > lost > > > and later some other lesser elements ENTERED AND DON'T LIKE EVEN > A > > > REF or question on their lines, feeling they r more than > absolute, so > > > most threads ended in acrimony than enlighten people > > > > > > > > some good ones by Pt. Arjun on diff planets say Sun, Moon went > on > > > and did not last the distance. > > > > > > > > on the elections do u want me to comment? let me know > > > > > > > > best wishes > > > > > > > > Wendy Vasicek <jyotish@> > wrote: > > > Dear Prashant, > > > > > > > > As you know (I'm sure) it's not my practice to interfere with > the > > > smooth (or > > > > not) running of other groups as each one has its own character > > > which differs > > > > greatly from one to the other - hence my (unsuccessful) > attempt at > > > anonymity > > > > :-( > > > > > > > > It just so happened that I had recently been discussing, over > the > > > telephone, > > > > this particular (Nabhi) yoga with an old student (now a > practicing > > > > astrologer/lecturer) and it was still fresh in my mind when I > came > > > across > > > > the query on this group. Almost without thinking I replied > and, as > > > is often > > > > the case, one post led to another which was not my intention. > > > > > > > > You Wrote: > > > > ///when there is an imbalance their is complexes that take the > > > debates in > > > > tangents than forward/// > > > > > > > > We are only months away from a Federal election here and it > looks > > > very much > > > > like, for the first time in eleven years, the Labor party is > > > streaks ahead > > > > of the Liberals...a good thing in my opinion as the Liberals > have > > > moved too > > > > far to the right (Capitalism) and turned their back on the > > > ordinary > > > > worker...the backbone of this country! Balance needs to be > > > restored and so > > > > we see the resurgence of the Labor movement after so many > years in > > > > opposition... > > > > > > > > The point is, that, sooner or later, the pendulum will swing > back > > > towards > > > > the center and balance will be restored - this is the > irresistible > > > force of > > > > nature - to restore balance one way or the other! If we > contribute > > > to the > > > > imbalance (even by opposing it) it will escalate to the point > > > where it can > > > > only be restored through a catastrophic event. But, if we > > > ourselves remain > > > > balanced, then our surroundings will respond to that in a > balanced > > > way. > > > > > > > > I'm thinking of the VAlist that closed recently after 11 > years. It > > > was one > > > > of the very first (if not THE first) jyotish discussion group > on > > > the Web, > > > > and, for a long time, it fulfilled a wonderful purpose. > However, > > > due the > > > > saddest circumstances, balance could not be restored and it > was > > > closed > > > > down...a catastrophic event! > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > Mrs. Wendy > > > > __ > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > <gbp_kumar@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Member, > > > > > > > > a well made point, > > > > > > > > u have a few universities in India teaching Jyotish 1st was > > > Osmania then AP > > > > university, hear some 16 of them do have a Bacholers in it. > > > > > > > > others that have made a strong impact have been ICAS, HOSE > COURSES > > > COMRISES > > > > A > > > > GOOD BALANCE OF CLASSICAL AND MODERN WORKS is producing many > good > > > brains, > > > > apart > > > > from bHARATIYA vIDYA bHAVAN'S COURSE > > > > K N Rao;s group;s works is the best example one can give from > such > > > an effort > > > > others are there too, anyone doing a 2 yr ICAS course can help > > > themselves a > > > > lot > > > > I keep telling members it is possible that each semister has > > > different > > > > components and when they do one they r good 2nd they r better, > 3rd > > > they are > > > > strong in the subject and 4th they r many miles ahead of > anyone of > > > us here. > > > > on > > > > the theoritical side and practical side as well. > > > > > > > > and the real practical side comes whenthey apply it in day to > day > > > life > > > > cases. > > > > they have a lot of group discussions every week, good topical > > > seminars every > > > > 2-3 > > > > weeks and some special occassion seminars when a visiting > astro > > > comes to any > > > > other city. the way they share their knowledge and help > budding > > > talent is > > > > what I > > > > have tried to do over here too. > > > > > > > > but not many contribute healthily in threads here and has led > to > > > acrimony so > > > > I > > > > RESIST myself entering into threads, stick to chart readings I > had > > > mentioned > > > > in > > > > last July itself one needs t o be on a similar plane and > equipped > > > to > > > > understand > > > > them when there is an imbalance their is complexes that take > the > > > debates in > > > > tangents than forward so for peace I stay away from them, > though I > > > read one > > > > or > > > > two and deicode no I will not enter. > > > > > > > > A GOOD POST MEMBER. > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > > > wenvasuk <jyotish@> wrote: In > > > > todays world there are academies for those few who's great > passion > > > > for swimming leads them to become the best swimmers they > possibly > > > > can. They learn the best techniques for butterfly, backstroke, > > > > freestyle and breaststroke under the guidence of expert coaches > > > > (teachers)...some even go on to swim at the Olympics! Of > course, > > > for > > > > those who swim simply for their own enjoyment ('swimming > simple') > > > > there is really no need for a coach to teach them the finer > > > > techniques of butterfly, backstroke, freestyle etc.. > > > > > > > > This analogy applies also to jyotish, don't you agree :-) > > > > ___ > > > > > > > > , " astroiniket " > > > > <astroiniket@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > there was a person who did PHD in swiming, once he was going > > > > somewhere > > > > > through boat, he asked to to Mallah (Kewat) do you know > butterfly > > > > > strokes, he told no sir, he again asked do you know back > strocks, > > > > > kewat again told no sir, he asked again do you know front > > > strokes, > > > > > kewat answered no sir, he comment to kewat what you know > about > > > > > swiming, nothing, sudenly one big wave came boat was started > > > > sheking, > > > > > Kewat asked to PHD sir save your life, you know all strokes, > i > > > know > > > > > only swiming simple,......................................... > > > > > > > > > > bhaskerji may tell " is kahani se hame kya shiksha miltee hai " > > > > > > > > > > i read it today in one story bookfor kids, so as usual i > want to > > > > share > > > > > with all of you. > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > niket > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Expecting? 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Guest guest Posted June 6, 2007 Report Share Posted June 6, 2007 Bhaskarji What image I have of you in my heart is not important, because I am not anyone important nor special. In this material world the image we convey dominates the external perception, and while we are all pure and sacred in our true form of the Atma, the grip of Maya is such that it impels us to behave in contradiction with our purest virtues. This is something we are all guilty of. Had we all learnt to perceive only the atma within everyone, no such issues would exist. Commenting on your chart may not have been the most ethical of approaches, but the intention was to be hard-hitting and spark some introspection. A weakness is actually a development opportunity and those who fight to overcome limitations are the ones who rise the highest. Without challenges life would be motionless. Anyhow, I apologise for any hurt this may have caused. If you recall, I have on several occasions both publicly and privately supported/advised you: my aim has always been for you to eliminate any tendencies that harm the wider perception of your image. I know that there exists the potential and atma-bal within yourself to succeed but you are undergoing the most difficult test of Rahu which is giving the results of two materialistic and desirefull houses (6th by the Rahu vad Shani rule and 11th due to the placement here of its dispositor Sun). Please take this in good spirit. That's my piece and I leave this thread here .. , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Atmagnaniji, > > Sir its allright whatever You may think of me. > Its Your prerogative too whatever You > like to comment on my personal chart. > > But as regards to ethics. I have never lost them. > > //It is interesting that the accusations of alias > ids and attacks on credibility of regular posters (or perceived > competitors?) have coincided with the establishment of fee-charging > consultation websites by the accusers. Correlation is but causation > is not implied. // > > Website is not a co-incidence, but a purposely implied > act, which let me tell you, has been put to the notice > of the Owner /Moderator, before having done so. > You may not know this, as this is not apparent. > So You can ask the Owner if you wish. > > I feel sad that my good image has been lost in your > heart. About the rest of the comments, its okay, i have not > lost the good image of you, and you have the right > to say whatever you like to me, > about me, or my birth chart, > or the position of the planets in it > which produces the evil in me, Fine Sir. > > Wish you all the best, > Bhaskar. > > , " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan@> > wrote: > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > I do not wish to enter into any debate with you about my intentions > > as it is most certainly likely to turn into an unnecessary > > convolution. > > > > My main point, as you have proven in your response once again, is > > that this recent trend of paranoia, self-ego and commercialism is > > destroying the sharing of knowledge and the morale of both readers > > and posters alike. It is interesting that the accusations of alias > > ids and attacks on credibility of regular posters (or perceived > > competitors?) have coincided with the establishment of fee- charging > > consultation websites by the accusers. Correlation is but causation > > is not implied. > > > > When there is a persistent, prolonged, unjust and unnecessary > > spreading of false values and poor morals, and when there is no > > indication of any calm ( if you feel that constant sniping and > > provocation is calm, then please spare us all) , it is only right to > > voice concern. It is difficult to categorise yourself as an innocent > > or a victim when every two weeks or so by virtue of your misplaced > > sense of ethics, we all have to witness your increasingly boring > > dramas and attacks. > > > > Astrologically, a debilitated Jupiter in the company of 6th lord > > Saturn, in the 6th house of disputes together with a powerful Mars > > under the influence of Rahu in the ascendant all clearly point to the > > make up of a destructive personality. This is all made worse by > > virtue of the fact the dispositor of the Moon, Jupiter sits > > debilitated in the 6th. Jupiter is also the 5th lord of dharma, > > intelligence - I won't extend this any further. You may argue on KP > > principles that the positions change, but that is your methodology > > and there is a tendency for an excessive optimism bias. > > > > I have said this because I feel that this is what the silent majority > > are thinking and have been for the past year or so. There is no > > doubting your astrological abilities, indeed at one stage I held in > > high esteem your apparent ethical stance, but I have realised now > > that your behaviour on the whole lacks a moral ethos. > > > > Best wishes and no personal feelings are in heart – but what has to > > be said must be said and at the right time. > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > As soon as the Forum comes to normal semblance, > > > one has to strike a match to create Fires...... > > > > > > // It seems that now any potential debate or > > > discussion on Jyotish principles is being prevented by a paranoia > > > that all such queries are being made by the opposition with alias > > ids.// > > > > > > Your above lines apparently point to my presumption about alias > > > ids. This is not paronia but quite obvious. > > > > > > Why should any one suddenly out of the blue ask > > > a question about disadvantages of a system ? > > > Was there any inkling or some methodology > > > to this Query incidentally ? No. > > > > > > What is there in above Query > > > which we can call as " Potential Debate or > > > Discussion on Jyotish principles " ? > > > > > > In Your mail instead of You saying that one should refrain from > > > talking negative about any system or approach, You are instead > > > talking something which on the contrary pampers more people > > > to come as negative Querents and asking for inputs on > > > Queries which should not be put up in the first place. > > > > > > Did that Query contain any reason as to why the Querent > > > is wanting to know about the disadvantages of Kp > > > system ? Did he present any reason asto why he felt there > > > is some diadvantage ? There was no base made. > > > No explanations. But just straightaway > > > one is asking for disadvantages on Kp system, > > > > > > Yet I answered properly without getting flared up, > > > and now since no one has been able to spoil the > > > euilibrium of the Forum, you are having > > > problems, > > > you are trying to accentuate it,as it seems > > > you are holding something to your heart, > > > we do not know what. > > > > > > Sir that was a mischief mail either done in ignorance > > > of the mischief (That is posted innocently), and by the looks > > > of Your mail, it is pretty clear now, that the main intentions > > > of that mail was to start and brew more > > > trouble here, and disturb the smooth > > > proceedings of the Forum. Now we have more > > > guesses to make > > > as to who is having so many common ids, and they keep > > > coming' daily incessantly with new weapons. > > > > > > // I think it should be noted by all that there are many members > > who are > > > regular readers and merely because they do not contribute to the so- > > > called `service' of free readings, this does not disqualify them > > from > > > participating to discussions'/ voicing their concerns when the need > > > be.// > > > > > > It also does not qualify the commercial astrologers, whose interests > > > are being harmed due to these free readings, and who are having > > multitudes > > > of supplementary e mail ids, to start trouble here, or feel bad > > > if some trouble has been prevented. > > > > > > Therefore let us concentrate if one is a real well wisher of > > > the Forum, , instead of harping upon the > > > replies given by innocent people doing selfless > > > service , ask the trouble makers.not to put controversial Queries > > > and if they cannot do so, then at least not > > > support them, by equalising their Queries as Jyotish > > > principles or potential debate. > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > , " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I second all that has been said by Prashantji, this forum did > > indeed > > > > go through a 'waffley' phase where the list was dominated by > > > > pointless exchanges on irrelevant topics and poetry. Without > > naming > > > > names, certain posters were acting as unofficial moderators, > > > > puncturing any potential jyotish related discussions /learning > > > > queries with demotivating responses and indirectly avoiding the > > > > sharing knowledge or experience. We are fortunate that these > > people > > > > no longer 'bless' us with their presence > > > > > > > > Recently the forum has taken a turn in a different direction, > > with > > > > much of the traffic centring on trivial disputes with a firm root > > in > > > > individual egos underpinned by commercial motivations. It is a > > > > concern that posts with highly volatile, explicit and derogatory > > > > content have been allowed to be posted and those responsible not > > > > subjected to moderation. It seems that now any potential debate > > or > > > > discussion on Jyotish principles is being prevented by a > > paranoia > > > > that all such queries are being made by the opposition with alias > > ids. > > > > > > > > I think it should be noted by all that there are many members who > > are > > > > regular readers and merely because they do not contribute to the > > so- > > > > called `service' of free readings, this does not disqualify them > > from > > > > participating to discussions'/ voicing their concerns when the > > need > > > > be. > > > > > > > > Anyhow let's hope that this forum can return to > > > > discussion /debate/sharing of jyotish knowledge in the purest > > sense > > > > once more. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Wendy, > > > > > > > > > > I can answer only the part u have marked in //between \\ for > > > > convience > > > > > > > > > > We used to have good debates inseveral threads in the past with > > > > some good end enterprising ones apart from seniors and I remember > > Mr > > > > Sreenadh - who seems back here now - quite a strong researcher > > and > > > > firm base. was torn apart by RR's satirical swipes at his effort > > and > > > > some other ones also say on Guru as a benefic- > > > > > AND BETWEEN HIM AND HIS RRIENDS WNE INTO POETRY ETC susbstance > > lost > > > > and later some other lesser elements ENTERED AND DON'T LIKE EVEN > > A > > > > REF or question on their lines, feeling they r more than > > absolute, so > > > > most threads ended in acrimony than enlighten people > > > > > > > > > > some good ones by Pt. Arjun on diff planets say Sun, Moon went > > on > > > > and did not last the distance. > > > > > > > > > > on the elections do u want me to comment? let me know > > > > > > > > > > best wishes > > > > > > > > > > Wendy Vasicek <jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > Dear Prashant, > > > > > > > > > > As you know (I'm sure) it's not my practice to interfere with > > the > > > > smooth (or > > > > > not) running of other groups as each one has its own character > > > > which differs > > > > > greatly from one to the other - hence my (unsuccessful) > > attempt at > > > > anonymity > > > > > :-( > > > > > > > > > > It just so happened that I had recently been discussing, over > > the > > > > telephone, > > > > > this particular (Nabhi) yoga with an old student (now a > > practicing > > > > > astrologer/lecturer) and it was still fresh in my mind when I > > came > > > > across > > > > > the query on this group. Almost without thinking I replied > > and, as > > > > is often > > > > > the case, one post led to another which was not my intention. > > > > > > > > > > You Wrote: > > > > > ///when there is an imbalance their is complexes that take the > > > > debates in > > > > > tangents than forward/// > > > > > > > > > > We are only months away from a Federal election here and it > > looks > > > > very much > > > > > like, for the first time in eleven years, the Labor party is > > > > streaks ahead > > > > > of the Liberals...a good thing in my opinion as the Liberals > > have > > > > moved too > > > > > far to the right (Capitalism) and turned their back on the > > > > ordinary > > > > > worker...the backbone of this country! Balance needs to be > > > > restored and so > > > > > we see the resurgence of the Labor movement after so many > > years in > > > > > opposition... > > > > > > > > > > The point is, that, sooner or later, the pendulum will swing > > back > > > > towards > > > > > the center and balance will be restored - this is the > > irresistible > > > > force of > > > > > nature - to restore balance one way or the other! If we > > contribute > > > > to the > > > > > imbalance (even by opposing it) it will escalate to the point > > > > where it can > > > > > only be restored through a catastrophic event. But, if we > > > > ourselves remain > > > > > balanced, then our surroundings will respond to that in a > > balanced > > > > way. > > > > > > > > > > I'm thinking of the VAlist that closed recently after 11 > > years. It > > > > was one > > > > > of the very first (if not THE first) jyotish discussion group > > on > > > > the Web, > > > > > and, for a long time, it fulfilled a wonderful purpose. > > However, > > > > due the > > > > > saddest circumstances, balance could not be restored and it > > was > > > > closed > > > > > down...a catastrophic event! > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > > Mrs. Wendy > > > > > __ > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > > <gbp_kumar@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Member, > > > > > > > > > > a well made point, > > > > > > > > > > u have a few universities in India teaching Jyotish 1st was > > > > Osmania then AP > > > > > university, hear some 16 of them do have a Bacholers in it. > > > > > > > > > > others that have made a strong impact have been ICAS, HOSE > > COURSES > > > > COMRISES > > > > > A > > > > > GOOD BALANCE OF CLASSICAL AND MODERN WORKS is producing many > > good > > > > brains, > > > > > apart > > > > > from bHARATIYA vIDYA bHAVAN'S COURSE > > > > > K N Rao;s group;s works is the best example one can give from > > such > > > > an effort > > > > > others are there too, anyone doing a 2 yr ICAS course can help > > > > themselves a > > > > > lot > > > > > I keep telling members it is possible that each semister has > > > > different > > > > > components and when they do one they r good 2nd they r better, > > 3rd > > > > they are > > > > > strong in the subject and 4th they r many miles ahead of > > anyone of > > > > us here. > > > > > on > > > > > the theoritical side and practical side as well. > > > > > > > > > > and the real practical side comes whenthey apply it in day to > > day > > > > life > > > > > cases. > > > > > they have a lot of group discussions every week, good topical > > > > seminars every > > > > > 2-3 > > > > > weeks and some special occassion seminars when a visiting > > astro > > > > comes to any > > > > > other city. the way they share their knowledge and help > > budding > > > > talent is > > > > > what I > > > > > have tried to do over here too. > > > > > > > > > > but not many contribute healthily in threads here and has led > > to > > > > acrimony so > > > > > I > > > > > RESIST myself entering into threads, stick to chart readings I > > had > > > > mentioned > > > > > in > > > > > last July itself one needs t o be on a similar plane and > > equipped > > > > to > > > > > understand > > > > > them when there is an imbalance their is complexes that take > > the > > > > debates in > > > > > tangents than forward so for peace I stay away from them, > > though I > > > > read one > > > > > or > > > > > two and deicode no I will not enter. > > > > > > > > > > A GOOD POST MEMBER. > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > > > > > wenvasuk <jyotish@> wrote: In > > > > > todays world there are academies for those few who's great > > passion > > > > > for swimming leads them to become the best swimmers they > > possibly > > > > > can. They learn the best techniques for butterfly, backstroke, > > > > > freestyle and breaststroke under the guidence of expert coaches > > > > > (teachers)...some even go on to swim at the Olympics! Of > > course, > > > > for > > > > > those who swim simply for their own enjoyment ('swimming > > simple') > > > > > there is really no need for a coach to teach them the finer > > > > > techniques of butterfly, backstroke, freestyle etc.. > > > > > > > > > > This analogy applies also to jyotish, don't you agree :-) > > > > > ___ > > > > > > > > > > , " astroiniket " > > > > > <astroiniket@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > there was a person who did PHD in swiming, once he was going > > > > > somewhere > > > > > > through boat, he asked to to Mallah (Kewat) do you know > > butterfly > > > > > > strokes, he told no sir, he again asked do you know back > > strocks, > > > > > > kewat again told no sir, he asked again do you know front > > > > strokes, > > > > > > kewat answered no sir, he comment to kewat what you know > > about > > > > > > swiming, nothing, sudenly one big wave came boat was started > > > > > sheking, > > > > > > Kewat asked to PHD sir save your life, you know all strokes, > > i > > > > know > > > > > > only swiming simple,......................................... > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskerji may tell " is kahani se hame kya shiksha miltee hai " > > > > > > > > > > > > i read it today in one story bookfor kids, so as usual i > > want to > > > > > share > > > > > > with all of you. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > niket > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Expecting? 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