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, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

 

Dear all,

The following is a brief introduction to the system of Black Magic

(or Black Art).

=================================================================

Introduction to the system of Black Magic

=========================================

We the children of cosmic divine destroy the incarnation of

sin `Niriti' (the god of death) and thus destroy the evilness and

diseases that eat us up every day, every moment, by following the

consciousness. Thus we destroy the evilness in us and remove the

darkness that covers over understanding. Oh! God give us the power

to do so!

- Atharva Veda

Let it be the malicious path or the good path, to study mantravada

(A deviant path of Tatra, which aims at fulfillment of intentions) a

guru (teacher) is necessary. Why? Atharvada says that- `Death, Water

and Moon are my teachers. Rice, wheat and all other food materials I

am getting due to the compassion of the teacher. Everything and

every event in the world are my teachers' Ashtanga hridaya (A book

on Ayurveda, which speaks about medicine and healing techniques,

written by saint Charaka) also speaks in the same line- `For an

intelligent individual, in his every act, the world itself is the

teacher. Because of this in worldly matters after understanding the

ways methods and nature of nature and living beings one should

follow the same'. These messages may give us the feeling that a

separate guru is not necessary to learn even subjects like

Mantravada. Ultimately, `Siva, the god which is present in and with

which the whole universe is made up of, is the first guru and he

himself lightens himself in everybody as consciousness ? thus says

the knowledgeable ones' (Quote from Suta samhita) The ultimate or

the only real possible guru is within ourselves ? which is nothing

but consciousness. The teachers can only show the way, actual

teaching and learning happens from within ? we ourselves are the

real gurus for ourselves. This being the real situation, we may feel

that the stress on having another individual as guru to teach

Mantravada (or any other similar subject) is something over stated.

But it is not so. Kularnava Tantra tells us that- `Siva (or the

enlightened consciousness), the ultimate guru is divine. It may not

be possible for common people to see or decipher it ? they always

live in confusion, and darkness encompasses their consciousness

always. Due to this the students of subjects like Tantric worships

should take someone who is truly spiritual (who wish and act for the

well being of the universe and himself, by following his own nature)

as guru, and follow his teachings (till he himself lightens up, and

becomes a guru who could see his own path or true nature ?

i.e. `Dharma'). [by the way `Dharma', `Tao' all mean almost the same

and could be translated as `the path'; But even this definition does

not clarify full depth of the word `Dharma'. An example may clarify

further. `Burning is the true dharma of Fire'. Or in other

words `Dharma' could also be translated as `true nature' (of

something)] Thus it becomes clear that to study `Mantravada' in the

right way, a teacher is a must. This stays true for both Dur-

Mantravada (Malicious Mantravada or `Black Magic' and `Good

Mantravada' or `White Magic'). If not we will end up having an

erroneous understanding of this subject ? as truly visible from the

words `Black Magic', which itself can cause confusion regarding the

depth and nature of this subject itself.

The Fundamental constituents of the system of `Black Magic'

Having said that, I think now we have the minimum ground

necessary to embark on this subject. But before going into this

study, we should have at least a minimum understanding of the

constants and of this subject ? i.e. Dur Mantravada. It should be

clearly noted that I am speaking about Dur-Mantravada (Black Magic)

which is a deviation happened in the path of Tantra and not about

Tantra itself. The fundamental constituents differ a lot in both.

[if you want to know more about `Tantra' read the book `Bhirava

Tantra' by Osho] Here I am speaking about the constituents of the

system of Black Magic and not about Tantra. `Tanta'

means `Technique' and it is more about attaining enlightenment by

the union of opposites ? Man and Women, Siva and Sakti. Dur-

Mantravada (Black Magic) is more concerned with various beliefs, and

techniques to fulfill intentions, anchoring on those beliefs. Black

Magic is more or less based on the following beliefs-

1) The belief in the power of secret hymns.

2) The belief in the principles of similarity and transition

3) The belief in Ayurveda system of medicine

4) The belief in astrology

5) The belief in para-normal and para-psychic powers (of ours

and non-human)

6) The belief in the words of our ancestors (the belief in

traditional beliefs)

7) The belief in ceremonial act or worship techniques used

8) The belief in the theory of Karma (Karma sidhanta): Eg. What

you do, the result of that you are sure to get, in this life or the

other.

9) The belief in re-birth.

10) The belief in multiple gods

11) The belief in the ability of dreams to foretell future

12) The belief in time

a. The knowledge of Time and its nature (Time is the ultimate

counter part of the universe, providing the extra dimension)

b. Knowledge of the effects of time (Calendar and Muturta

systems)

c. The belief that we can defy time and thus death (through

meditation and breath control)

d. The worship of the destroyer of time (Kalakala ? `Siva' who

can cause the death of time itself)

13) The ultimate state (enlightenment)

a. Duality (Siva - Sakti) = Dvaita

b. Single God (There are several systems which consider Tripura

sundari or Akhora as this single god) = Eka Daiva

c. Unity (The realization that the creator, creation and the

rules are one and the same) = Advaita

Except the last one, all the others are beliefs ? but the last

one is rather a realization than a belief. If somebody gross from

the preliminaries of `Black Magic' (ceremonial worships for

intension fulfillment) to considering this as a path for

enlightenment, then he is in the path of `Tantra' rather than `Black

Magic'.

 

* From the next mail onwards I will try to elaborate on some

of these beliefs. The aim of that effort would be to make us

understand a method to differentiate the pearls and waste material

and literature that is present in the system of `Black Magic'.

* Once the above steps is covered, we will look into the

classification (Shad Karma = Marana, Mohana, Uchadana etc) and

functional constituents (Mantramsaka = Mantra deeksha, Snana, Dyana,

Pranayama etc), and technical constituents (Mantra recitation, Homa,

Use of flowers, gems and garlands, prasada dana, use of medicines

and chemicals etc)

 

Only such an elaboration can give us the ground to have a minimum

understanding of point one, I mentioned in my previous mail. I hope

this mail, succeeded in providing the outline of the point under

discussion, and the area it covers.

Note: The elaboration and continuation of this mail depends on your

response. If you all are interested in this subject me too is. If

you are not interested then me too not.. ;) This should be a group

discussion for the group interest. If the subject does not serve

this purpose, we can drop it and move on to something else. But if

it does, we will continue with the same.

=================================================================

This mail was a bit late. Sorry. But I hope at least to someone it

would be useful.

Love,

Sreenadh

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, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

 

Dear all,

The following is a brief introduction to the system of Black Magic

(or Black Art).

=================================================================

Introduction to the system of Black Magic

=========================================

We the children of cosmic divine destroy the incarnation of

sin `Niriti' (the god of death) and thus destroy the evilness and

diseases that eat us up every day, every moment, by following the

consciousness. Thus we destroy the evilness in us and remove the

darkness that covers over understanding. Oh! God give us the power

to do so!

- Atharva Veda

Let it be the malicious path or the good path, to study mantravada

(A deviant path of Tatra, which aims at fulfillment of intentions) a

guru (teacher) is necessary. Why? Atharvada says that- `Death, Water

and Moon are my teachers. Rice, wheat and all other food materials I

am getting due to the compassion of the teacher. Everything and

every event in the world are my teachers' Ashtanga hridaya (A book

on Ayurveda, which speaks about medicine and healing techniques,

written by saint Charaka) also speaks in the same line- `For an

intelligent individual, in his every act, the world itself is the

teacher. Because of this in worldly matters after understanding the

ways methods and nature of nature and living beings one should

follow the same'. These messages may give us the feeling that a

separate guru is not necessary to learn even subjects like

Mantravada. Ultimately, `Siva, the god which is present in and with

which the whole universe is made up of, is the first guru and he

himself lightens himself in everybody as consciousness ? thus says

the knowledgeable ones' (Quote from Suta samhita) The ultimate or

the only real possible guru is within ourselves ? which is nothing

but consciousness. The teachers can only show the way, actual

teaching and learning happens from within ? we ourselves are the

real gurus for ourselves. This being the real situation, we may feel

that the stress on having another individual as guru to teach

Mantravada (or any other similar subject) is something over stated.

But it is not so. Kularnava Tantra tells us that- `Siva (or the

enlightened consciousness), the ultimate guru is divine. It may not

be possible for common people to see or decipher it ? they always

live in confusion, and darkness encompasses their consciousness

always. Due to this the students of subjects like Tantric worships

should take someone who is truly spiritual (who wish and act for the

well being of the universe and himself, by following his own nature)

as guru, and follow his teachings (till he himself lightens up, and

becomes a guru who could see his own path or true nature ?

i.e. `Dharma'). [by the way `Dharma', `Tao' all mean almost the same

and could be translated as `the path'; But even this definition does

not clarify full depth of the word `Dharma'. An example may clarify

further. `Burning is the true dharma of Fire'. Or in other

words `Dharma' could also be translated as `true nature' (of

something)] Thus it becomes clear that to study `Mantravada' in the

right way, a teacher is a must. This stays true for both Dur-

Mantravada (Malicious Mantravada or `Black Magic' and `Good

Mantravada' or `White Magic'). If not we will end up having an

erroneous understanding of this subject ? as truly visible from the

words `Black Magic', which itself can cause confusion regarding the

depth and nature of this subject itself.

The Fundamental constituents of the system of `Black Magic'

Having said that, I think now we have the minimum ground

necessary to embark on this subject. But before going into this

study, we should have at least a minimum understanding of the

constants and of this subject ? i.e. Dur Mantravada. It should be

clearly noted that I am speaking about Dur-Mantravada (Black Magic)

which is a deviation happened in the path of Tantra and not about

Tantra itself. The fundamental constituents differ a lot in both.

[if you want to know more about `Tantra' read the book `Bhirava

Tantra' by Osho] Here I am speaking about the constituents of the

system of Black Magic and not about Tantra. `Tanta'

means `Technique' and it is more about attaining enlightenment by

the union of opposites ? Man and Women, Siva and Sakti. Dur-

Mantravada (Black Magic) is more concerned with various beliefs, and

techniques to fulfill intentions, anchoring on those beliefs. Black

Magic is more or less based on the following beliefs-

1) The belief in the power of secret hymns.

2) The belief in the principles of similarity and transition

3) The belief in Ayurveda system of medicine

4) The belief in astrology

5) The belief in para-normal and para-psychic powers (of ours

and non-human)

6) The belief in the words of our ancestors (the belief in

traditional beliefs)

7) The belief in ceremonial act or worship techniques used

8) The belief in the theory of Karma (Karma sidhanta): Eg. What

you do, the result of that you are sure to get, in this life or the

other.

9) The belief in re-birth.

10) The belief in multiple gods

11) The belief in the ability of dreams to foretell future

12) The belief in time

a. The knowledge of Time and its nature (Time is the ultimate

counter part of the universe, providing the extra dimension)

b. Knowledge of the effects of time (Calendar and Muturta

systems)

c. The belief that we can defy time and thus death (through

meditation and breath control)

d. The worship of the destroyer of time (Kalakala ? `Siva' who

can cause the death of time itself)

13) The ultimate state (enlightenment)

a. Duality (Siva - Sakti) = Dvaita

b. Single God (There are several systems which consider Tripura

sundari or Akhora as this single god) = Eka Daiva

c. Unity (The realization that the creator, creation and the

rules are one and the same) = Advaita

Except the last one, all the others are beliefs ? but the last

one is rather a realization than a belief. If somebody gross from

the preliminaries of `Black Magic' (ceremonial worships for

intension fulfillment) to considering this as a path for

enlightenment, then he is in the path of `Tantra' rather than `Black

Magic'.

 

* From the next mail onwards I will try to elaborate on some

of these beliefs. The aim of that effort would be to make us

understand a method to differentiate the pearls and waste material

and literature that is present in the system of `Black Magic'.

* Once the above steps is covered, we will look into the

classification (Shad Karma = Marana, Mohana, Uchadana etc) and

functional constituents (Mantramsaka = Mantra deeksha, Snana, Dyana,

Pranayama etc), and technical constituents (Mantra recitation, Homa,

Use of flowers, gems and garlands, prasada dana, use of medicines

and chemicals etc)

 

Only such an elaboration can give us the ground to have a minimum

understanding of point one, I mentioned in my previous mail. I hope

this mail, succeeded in providing the outline of the point under

discussion, and the area it covers.

Note: The elaboration and continuation of this mail depends on your

response. If you all are interested in this subject me too is. If

you are not interested then me too not.. ;) This should be a group

discussion for the group interest. If the subject does not serve

this purpose, we can drop it and move on to something else. But if

it does, we will continue with the same.

=================================================================

This mail was a bit late. Sorry. But I hope at least to someone it

would be useful.

Love,

Sreenadh

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om krishna guru,

 

dear sree nath,

 

continue the tread and it will help many misinformed people ,and if u

can if u know the books like sarada tilakam ,mantra maharnavam etc

please discuss the contents while u posting messages.

 

all the best ,see for people who doesnot like such discussions pls bear

with us at least hav a theoretical view of what is being discussed than

showing aversion.

 

 

 

regrds sunil nair.

 

pt.sunilnair <pt.sunilnair .

 

 

 

om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

 

 

, " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote:

>

> , " Sreenadh "

> sreesog@ wrote:

>

> Dear all,

> The following is a brief introduction to the system of Black Magic

> (or Black Art).

> =================================================================

> Introduction to the system of Black Magic

> =========================================

> We the children of cosmic divine destroy the incarnation of

> sin `Niriti' (the god of death) and thus destroy the evilness and

> diseases that eat us up every day, every moment, by following the

> consciousness. Thus we destroy the evilness in us and remove the

> darkness that covers over understanding. Oh! God give us the power

> to do so!

> - Atharva Veda

> Let it be the malicious path or the good path, to study mantravada

> (A deviant path of Tatra, which aims at fulfillment of intentions) a

> guru (teacher) is necessary. Why? Atharvada says that- `Death, Water

> and Moon are my teachers. Rice, wheat and all other food materials I

> am getting due to the compassion of the teacher. Everything and

> every event in the world are my teachers' Ashtanga hridaya (A book

> on Ayurveda, which speaks about medicine and healing techniques,

> written by saint Charaka) also speaks in the same line- `For an

> intelligent individual, in his every act, the world itself is the

> teacher. Because of this in worldly matters after understanding the

> ways methods and nature of nature and living beings one should

> follow the same'. These messages may give us the feeling that a

> separate guru is not necessary to learn even subjects like

> Mantravada. Ultimately, `Siva, the god which is present in and with

> which the whole universe is made up of, is the first guru and he

> himself lightens himself in everybody as consciousness ? thus says

> the knowledgeable ones' (Quote from Suta samhita) The ultimate or

> the only real possible guru is within ourselves ? which is nothing

> but consciousness. The teachers can only show the way, actual

> teaching and learning happens from within ? we ourselves are the

> real gurus for ourselves. This being the real situation, we may feel

> that the stress on having another individual as guru to teach

> Mantravada (or any other similar subject) is something over stated.

> But it is not so. Kularnava Tantra tells us that- `Siva (or the

> enlightened consciousness), the ultimate guru is divine. It may not

> be possible for common people to see or decipher it ? they always

> live in confusion, and darkness encompasses their consciousness

> always. Due to this the students of subjects like Tantric worships

> should take someone who is truly spiritual (who wish and act for the

> well being of the universe and himself, by following his own nature)

> as guru, and follow his teachings (till he himself lightens up, and

> becomes a guru who could see his own path or true nature ?

> i.e. `Dharma'). [by the way `Dharma', `Tao' all mean almost the same

> and could be translated as `the path'; But even this definition does

> not clarify full depth of the word `Dharma'. An example may clarify

> further. `Burning is the true dharma of Fire'. Or in other

> words `Dharma' could also be translated as `true nature' (of

> something)] Thus it becomes clear that to study `Mantravada' in the

> right way, a teacher is a must. This stays true for both Dur-

> Mantravada (Malicious Mantravada or `Black Magic' and `Good

> Mantravada' or `White Magic'). If not we will end up having an

> erroneous understanding of this subject ? as truly visible from the

> words `Black Magic', which itself can cause confusion regarding the

> depth and nature of this subject itself.

> The Fundamental constituents of the system of `Black Magic'

> Having said that, I think now we have the minimum ground

> necessary to embark on this subject. But before going into this

> study, we should have at least a minimum understanding of the

> constants and of this subject ? i.e. Dur Mantravada. It should be

> clearly noted that I am speaking about Dur-Mantravada (Black Magic)

> which is a deviation happened in the path of Tantra and not about

> Tantra itself. The fundamental constituents differ a lot in both.

> [if you want to know more about `Tantra' read the book `Bhirava

> Tantra' by Osho] Here I am speaking about the constituents of the

> system of Black Magic and not about Tantra. `Tanta'

> means `Technique' and it is more about attaining enlightenment by

> the union of opposites ? Man and Women, Siva and Sakti. Dur-

> Mantravada (Black Magic) is more concerned with various beliefs, and

> techniques to fulfill intentions, anchoring on those beliefs. Black

> Magic is more or less based on the following beliefs-

> 1) The belief in the power of secret hymns.

> 2) The belief in the principles of similarity and transition

> 3) The belief in Ayurveda system of medicine

> 4) The belief in astrology

> 5) The belief in para-normal and para-psychic powers (of ours

> and non-human)

> 6) The belief in the words of our ancestors (the belief in

> traditional beliefs)

> 7) The belief in ceremonial act or worship techniques used

> 8) The belief in the theory of Karma (Karma sidhanta): Eg. What

> you do, the result of that you are sure to get, in this life or the

> other.

> 9) The belief in re-birth.

> 10) The belief in multiple gods

> 11) The belief in the ability of dreams to foretell future

> 12) The belief in time

> a. The knowledge of Time and its nature (Time is the ultimate

> counter part of the universe, providing the extra dimension)

> b. Knowledge of the effects of time (Calendar and Muturta

> systems)

> c. The belief that we can defy time and thus death (through

> meditation and breath control)

> d. The worship of the destroyer of time (Kalakala ? `Siva' who

> can cause the death of time itself)

> 13) The ultimate state (enlightenment)

> a. Duality (Siva - Sakti) = Dvaita

> b. Single God (There are several systems which consider Tripura

> sundari or Akhora as this single god) = Eka Daiva

> c. Unity (The realization that the creator, creation and the

> rules are one and the same) = Advaita

> Except the last one, all the others are beliefs ? but the last

> one is rather a realization than a belief. If somebody gross from

> the preliminaries of `Black Magic' (ceremonial worships for

> intension fulfillment) to considering this as a path for

> enlightenment, then he is in the path of `Tantra' rather than `Black

> Magic'.

>

> * From the next mail onwards I will try to elaborate on some

> of these beliefs. The aim of that effort would be to make us

> understand a method to differentiate the pearls and waste material

> and literature that is present in the system of `Black Magic'.

> * Once the above steps is covered, we will look into the

> classification (Shad Karma = Marana, Mohana, Uchadana etc) and

> functional constituents (Mantramsaka = Mantra deeksha, Snana, Dyana,

> Pranayama etc), and technical constituents (Mantra recitation, Homa,

> Use of flowers, gems and garlands, prasada dana, use of medicines

> and chemicals etc)

>

> Only such an elaboration can give us the ground to have a minimum

> understanding of point one, I mentioned in my previous mail. I hope

> this mail, succeeded in providing the outline of the point under

> discussion, and the area it covers.

> Note: The elaboration and continuation of this mail depends on your

> response. If you all are interested in this subject me too is. If

> you are not interested then me too not.. ;) This should be a group

> discussion for the group interest. If the subject does not serve

> this purpose, we can drop it and move on to something else. But if

> it does, we will continue with the same.

> =================================================================

> This mail was a bit late. Sorry. But I hope at least to someone it

> would be useful.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

 

 

 

 

 

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