Guest guest Posted May 11, 2007 Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 Yes this is in keeping with Krishnamurthy Paddhati (KP) and what nearly all tropical western astrology utilizes. Namely, the rising degree (ascendant- tropical zodiac lagna) defines the beginning of the first house and so on. I have not polled them but most jyotishis probably place the rising degree in the bhav madhya and not bhav arambha, or in other words in the middle of the house and not beginning of the house. N.C. Lahiri describes this as the candle that is in the middle of the room (bhava) and illuminates it all around. The term 'cusp' is of western astrological origin and means the tooth or sharp edge. This post is not about questioning Krishnamurthy or his followers' acceptance of the western tradition of the rising degree being the doorway or portal into the first bhava or treating the moment of birth as the acme and midpoint of the process of birth which starts a bit before the baby is actually born (lagna) and goes on a bit after the baby is fully delivered (attending to the infant, making sure it is not choking on its fluids, breathing properly, then cutting the umbilical cord etc). Since birth is not something that happens in an instant, I would be okay with taking the first house as the birthing process where the epoch of birth is the acme, as I said earlier and not the beginning of the glorious moment that some of us attribute birth to be! In jyotish (non KP that is) perhaps the term 'cusp' should not be used because it may not impart the correct meaning in that context, just as Placidian cusps which are after all averaged attempts to fine tune something that collapses at the poles anyway (!) originally used by western astrologers and not really the most popular then or now, having been replaced by the confusion created by some 30+ other unequal house systems such as Campanus, Regiomontanus, Zenith, East Point, and on and on... Please do not ask me to justify why Krishnamurthy chose the Placidus system of houses for his system of astrology. I do not know. It is a curious fact though that Raphael's Table of Houses that was very popular in the early half of 20th century (when KP was developed) used the Placidius house system! RR , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Please do not do any further calculations. > Cusps mean Bhava arambh (Start of the Bhava or House) > so we take the bhava arambh and the bhava end for each > Bhava and then put the planets in the respective Bhavas, > which is known as the Bhava Chalit Chart. > > I will do this.,do not worry. > and please dont bother for the moment, > Later on when you have my inputs, you > can practise and get the same right. > > I am happy that at least one man here is > ready to calculate and work, and not looking > for inputs without self-labour. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > , ~~Tarun~~ <tarun_vst@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > According to what i understand is as follows, please guide me where > i am wrong > > > > Lagna Degree = 2'37m Virgo > > > > Cuspal Degree i.e. start of Each house = 2'37 m > > > > So cuspal positon of each planet will be the actual degree - cusp degree > > > > so > > > > Sun- actual degree = 2'28 " (cancer) , Cuspal Degree=( 2'28 " -2'37 > =29'51 " previous sign) > > Moon- actual degree =27'49 " (libra) , Cuspal Degree=( 27'49 " -2'37 > =25'12 " ) > > Mars- actual degree =19'48 " (Gemini) , Cuspal Degree=( 19'48 " -2'37 > =17'11 " ) > > Mercury-actual degree =13'10 " (Cancer) , Cuspal Degree=( 13'10 " -2'37 > =10'33 " ) > > Guru- actual degree =7'42 " (Scorpio), Cuspal Degree=( 07'42 " -2'37 > =05'05 " ) > > Sukra-actual degree =11'49 " (leo) , Cuspal Degree=( 11'49 " -2'37 > =09'12 " ) > > Sani-actual degree =4'27 " (libra) , Cuspal Degree=( 04'27 " -2'37 =1'50 " ) > > Rahu-actual degree =29'47 " (Taurus), Cuspal Degree=( 29'47 " -2'37 > =27'10 " ) > > Ketu-actual degree =29'47 " (Scorpio), Cuspal Degree=( 29'47 " -2'37 > =27'10 " ) > > > > Sir i was in doubt for rahu/ketu as these two shadows are always > retrograde so cusp should be add > > or reduced. > > > > Hope i am correct in understandings. > > > > Regards > > > > Tarun > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > Dear Tarunji, > > > > > > I also wish to know what work have you done on your own > > > with regards to the 10th Cusp we were talking about > > > for ones Career. Have you prepared the degreecal > > > Cusp as per we had spoken about (Keeping > > > Ascendant degrees at beginning of each Cusp and > > > preparing other Cusps in the same manner).If You > > > have done this - > > > a)then what is the degree of the > > > 10th Cusp You arrived at. > > > b) What is the ascendant degree. > > > c) What is the Cuspal position > > > of all the Planets. > > > d) What is the Natal position of all the Planets. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > , ~~Tarun~~ <tarun_vst@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > Thanks for your mail. > > > > > > > > My details are : > > > > > > > > Date : 19-07-1983 > > > > Time : 10.35 AM > > > > Place : Jodhpur-Rajasthan. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Please give me your birth details. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Tarun " <tarun_vst@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I have prepared the following as u told me. > > > > > > I hope i made correct thing. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sorry for my 2 posts on same topic but those were not > > > > > > displaying correctly so i am posting that again. in a suitable > > > > > > format. > > > > > > Please have a look at this and please guide me that how to > > > calculate > > > > > > the results from such table. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna- Virgo - 2'37 " , Lord- Mercury, Constellation > lord-Sun, Sub- > > > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun- Cancer - Moon-jupiter, rahu > > > > > > Moon- Libra- Venus-Jupiter-Venus, > > > > > > Jupiter - Scorpio, Mars- Saturn- Ketu. > > > > > > Saturn - Libra, Venus-Mars-Venus > > > > > > Venus - Leo, Sun-Ketu-Mercury > > > > > > Mars- Gemini, Mercury-Rahu-Mars > > > > > > Mercury- Cancer, Moon-Saturn-Rahu > > > > > > Rahu- Taurus, Venus-Mars-Saturn > > > > > > Ketu- Scorpio, Mars-Mercury-Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > , " Tarun " <tarun_vst@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for this wonderful information. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will definately make my chart according to cusps and > divisions. > > > > > > > and then would ask you more on such more information. > > > > > > > I definately want to explore such combination, as it is a > source > > > > > > of > > > > > > > light for many who are confused like carrier as me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but first i will make a calculation chrt for cusps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tarunji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To check what profession is destined for us, one has to > check > > > > > > the > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > Cuspal Sub-lord > > > > > > > > as per Placidus House division, But here You need to > have the > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > time rectified to > > > > > > > > the nearest 30 seconds (Which in most cases 99% times is > > > wrong by > > > > > > > > few minutes). Once You get this sub lord you know what is > > > > > > destined > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > You as Karma. > > > > > > > > Then one must move to the MahaDasha Lord, what Profession it > > > will > > > > > > > > allow You. > > > > > > > > If the MD Lord matches the 10th Sub Lord, then one gets the > > > > > > > > most satisfaction with his job/Career he has chosen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You need to prepare the Cuspal degrees exactly first. > Then You > > > > > > > > need to check what constellations each Planet is placed in. > > > Then > > > > > > > check the > > > > > > > > Lords . Where they are placed in which cusps and have > Lordship > > > > > > > > over which houses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can also elaborate on Your list with the Cusps, > > > > > > > > for instance- > > > > > > > > Budh + Venus connected to 5th,3rd and 12th Cusps > > > > > > > > and signs of Gemini,Virgo and Pisces would give a career in > > > > > > > > Share Market. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Budh + Guru connected to Gemini and Pisces with 3rd and > > > > > > > > 12th Cusp appearing would give career of International > > > Marketing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Budh + Venus connected to 1,2,3,4 Cusps and Cancer,Pisces, > > > > > > > > Sagittarius and gemini appearing would give Import business. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Budh + venus 4th,12th and 3rd Cusp with connection of > > > > > > > > Signs Cancer Pisces and Sagittarius would give Export > business. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Budh + Mangal + Chandra with 3rd and 10th Cusp and signs > Gemini, > > > > > > > > Virgo and Sagittarius gives Journalism as Career. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Budh + guru 3,7,9, Libra,Virgo,Pisces,Sagittarius - > > > International > > > > > > > > Law . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn + Budh + Jup 3,9,10 and gemini Libra Acquarius gives > > > > > > > > a profession in Public relations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus + budh 5,2 Taurus,Libra,Acquarius and gemini > > > > > > > > to singing Career. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can list hundreds of combinations like above if we > explore. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Tarun " > <tarun_vst@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was trying to explore the Budh's effects when planets > > > cojoin > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > it, and the person's interest /expertise in some specific > > > > > > field. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like budh-venus = business minded > > > > > > > > > saturn-budh= marketing expert > > > > > > > > > budh-mars = Info tech > > > > > > > > > budh-ketu= Statics ( Engg mathematics related to computer) > > > > > > > > > budh-moon = Textiles > > > > > > > > > budh-guru = Teacher > > > > > > > > > budh-sun = scholar > > > > > > > > > budh itself if strong then command on writings.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and still trying to explore more on it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as i will be having budh dasha..so what specific field > i will > > > > > > > have. > > > > > > > > > So trying to get in more depth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > Office firewalls, cyber cafes, college labs, don't allow you > to download CHAT? > http://in.messenger./webmessengerpromo.php > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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