Guest guest Posted April 13, 2007 Report Share Posted April 13, 2007 Dear Friends, Shani is the only planet that bestows moksha to human beings. Please join Shaneeswara Group, if you have not done so far: shaneeswara/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2007 Report Share Posted April 14, 2007 Dear Friend, That would have been GREAT, really! But is it so? Please Elaborate for the benefit of us rustic astrologers! How can a planet that was sent to GRIP us and one that is MANDA and so not designed for transportation -- How can He, great and lovable that he is be the one that can bestows MOKSHA? I do not think GOD who alone can bestow MOKSHA is really a Manager that DELEGATES! Shani and the Manda keyword and attribute that it acquired does not really have to do with its speed around the sun (There are the transsaturnines if you had been reading the Astro-news that put Shani to shame in that area, by a factor of 30:84, 30:96, and 30:248 (all rounded, of course). It has to do with individuals slowing down enough to realize that they need MOKSHA and MOKSHA alone which is MUKTI and ABSOLUTE FREEDOM. RR , " N.S.Parasuraman " <parasu41 wrote: > > Dear Friends, > > Shani is the only planet that bestows moksha to human beings. > > Please join Shaneeswara Group, if you have not done so far: > > shaneeswara/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2007 Report Share Posted April 14, 2007 RRji, Well said! On his wedding night, even Shiv went into a trance on seeing Shani, resulting into Parvati's wrath and resultant curse. Indeed, how can he be responsible for MOKSHA? We human beings alone are responsible for our MOKSHA. In fact, to my understanding, the KARMA cloth is woven very tightly. We human beings have to unweave it piece by piece and burn it, again piece by piece. Once the cloth has been burnt in its entirety, MOKSHA is possible. Unfortunately lIfe after life, we humans keep on creating desires (desires have an airy (vayu) nature); the list keeps on increasing as we grow (using and enchanting term going with current modernity) without attempting to wind up our karma...the karma cloth continues to grow too! Once the realization to unwind the karma sets in, HIS blessings are enough to do the rest.... Regards, Amitabh Shastri Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani wrote: Dear Friend, That would have been GREAT, really! But is it so? Please Elaborate for the benefit of us rustic astrologers! How can a planet that was sent to GRIP us and one that is MANDA and so not designed for transportation -- How can He, great and lovable that he is be the one that can bestows MOKSHA? I do not think GOD who alone can bestow MOKSHA is really a Manager that DELEGATES! Shani and the Manda keyword and attribute that it acquired does not really have to do with its speed around the sun (There are the transsaturnines if you had been reading the Astro-news that put Shani to shame in that area, by a factor of 30:84, 30:96, and 30:248 (all rounded, of course). It has to do with individuals slowing down enough to realize that they need MOKSHA and MOKSHA alone which is MUKTI and ABSOLUTE FREEDOM. RR , " N.S.Parasuraman " <parasu41 wrote: > > Dear Friends, > > Shani is the only planet that bestows moksha to human beings. > > Please join Shaneeswara Group, if you have not done so far: > > shaneeswara/ > Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your freeaccount today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2007 Report Share Posted April 14, 2007 Dear friends, One not so innocent posting has started this interesting thread. I believe Saturn is not responsible for Moksha directly, but indirectly does give its Yogdaan (Contributions)due to its seperative nature, by punishing the native so ardently due to his past paapa Karmas (Bad Karmas),that in few men in whose charts Moksha is warranted, this punishment produces Varaigya (Detachment),towards the worldly relations and pleasures thereof, which forces him into inwardly introspection, and bringing out the futility of the the running about after unnecessary materialistic desires and pleasures, thus leading the rest of his life,post the punishment of Saturn, on the road towards salvation. I feel thats the part of Saturn in producing Moksha indirectly and one cannot say that it is directly responsible for Moksha. regards, Bhaskar. , Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri wrote: > > RRji, > > Well said! On his wedding night, even Shiv went into a trance on seeing Shani, resulting into Parvati's wrath and resultant curse. Indeed, how can he be responsible for MOKSHA? > > We human beings alone are responsible for our MOKSHA. In fact, to my understanding, the KARMA cloth is woven very tightly. We human beings have to unweave it piece by piece and burn it, again piece by piece. Once the cloth has been burnt in its entirety, MOKSHA is possible. Unfortunately lIfe after life, we humans keep on creating desires (desires have an airy (vayu) nature); the list keeps on increasing as we grow (using and enchanting term going with current modernity) without attempting to wind up our karma...the karma cloth continues to grow too! Once the realization to unwind the karma sets in, HIS blessings are enough to do the rest.... > > Regards, > Amitabh Shastri > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani wrote: Dear Friend, > > That would have been GREAT, really! But is it so? > > Please Elaborate for the benefit of us rustic astrologers! > > How can a planet that was sent to GRIP us and one that is MANDA and so > not designed for transportation -- How can He, great and lovable that > he is be the one that can bestows MOKSHA? > > I do not think GOD who alone can bestow MOKSHA is really a Manager that > DELEGATES! > > Shani and the Manda keyword and attribute that it acquired does not > really have to do with its speed around the sun (There are the > transsaturnines if you had been reading the Astro-news that put Shani > to shame in that area, by a factor of 30:84, 30:96, and 30:248 (all > rounded, of course). > > It has to do with individuals slowing down enough to realize that they > need MOKSHA and MOKSHA alone which is MUKTI and ABSOLUTE FREEDOM. > > RR > > , " N.S.Parasuraman " > <parasu41@> wrote: > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > Shani is the only planet that bestows moksha to human beings. > > > > Please join Shaneeswara Group, if you have not done so far: > > > > shaneeswara/ > > > Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your freeaccount today. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2007 Report Share Posted April 14, 2007 I like your 'clothing' analogy! As the biblical allegory goes, Our first entry in our KARMA-WARDROBE was perhaps the 'fig' leaf! The more we tried to 'cover' our shame, the more we moved away from moksha! Makes sense to me! RR , Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri wrote: > > RRji, > > Well said! On his wedding night, even Shiv went into a trance on seeing Shani, resulting into Parvati's wrath and resultant curse. Indeed, how can he be responsible for MOKSHA? > > We human beings alone are responsible for our MOKSHA. In fact, to my understanding, the KARMA cloth is woven very tightly. We human beings have to unweave it piece by piece and burn it, again piece by piece. Once the cloth has been burnt in its entirety, MOKSHA is possible. Unfortunately lIfe after life, we humans keep on creating desires (desires have an airy (vayu) nature); the list keeps on increasing as we grow (using and enchanting term going with current modernity) without attempting to wind up our karma...the karma cloth continues to grow too! Once the realization to unwind the karma sets in, HIS blessings are enough to do the rest.... > > Regards, > Amitabh Shastri > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani wrote: Dear Friend, > > That would have been GREAT, really! But is it so? > > Please Elaborate for the benefit of us rustic astrologers! > > How can a planet that was sent to GRIP us and one that is MANDA and so > not designed for transportation -- How can He, great and lovable that > he is be the one that can bestows MOKSHA? > > I do not think GOD who alone can bestow MOKSHA is really a Manager that > DELEGATES! > > Shani and the Manda keyword and attribute that it acquired does not > really have to do with its speed around the sun (There are the > transsaturnines if you had been reading the Astro-news that put Shani > to shame in that area, by a factor of 30:84, 30:96, and 30:248 (all > rounded, of course). > > It has to do with individuals slowing down enough to realize that they > need MOKSHA and MOKSHA alone which is MUKTI and ABSOLUTE FREEDOM. > > RR > > , " N.S.Parasuraman " > <parasu41@> wrote: > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > Shani is the only planet that bestows moksha to human beings. > > > > Please join Shaneeswara Group, if you have not done so far: > > > > shaneeswara/ > > > Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your freeaccount today. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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