Guest guest Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 Dear Sh Amitabh I must say that you have done an excellent study . I think your attempt will not only authenticate our history but also provide a scientific basis.Also the period of various yugas also need a serious study . Could you Please send me a copy of your study ? regards Dr SS Chandel Shimla , India Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri wrote: I would like to take this opportunity to draw the attention of learned members to the following mail I saw recently during net surfing. “I would like to share a few factual details about the life of Lord Rama through this mail. In case you are interested in knowing about the actual dates of the happening of various events during the life time of Lord Rama - please continue to read. I have found the precise dates of happening of various events during the lifetime of Lord Ram from his birth to the age of 39 years when he returned from 14 year's exile. Maharishi Valmiki, who wrote Ramayana, was contemporary of Lord Ram. While narrating the events of lifetime of Lord Ram, Valmiki has incidentally mentioned the position of planets in the sky at different places. For instance, the position of all the planets (visible with unaided eye) has been mentioned for the date of birth of Lord Ram. Later, while mentioning that Lord Ram was sent to exile for 14 years on his 25th birthday, the position of planets in the sky has been mentioned again for that day. Moving forward, it has been stated that on the amavasya (no moon day) of the 10th month of the 13th year of his exile he fought a battle with Khar and Dushan and on that day a solar eclipse was seen from Panchwati. Not only a solar eclipse occurred but the planets were arranged in the sky in a particular manner. Going ahead, he mantions that six months later when Ram killed Bali on the Amavasya of Ashad of the 14th year of exile, another solar eclipse was visible in the morning sky and after five months when Hanuman went to meet Sita at Lanka, a lunar eclipse was witnessed in the evening. Besides these several other planetary positions have also been mentioned at different other places. It is imporatant to know that planetary positions keep changing every day in the sky and they do not repeat for Lakhs of years!! Moreover, if we know the position of all the planets in the sky, then they refer to one and only one date in history. The effort to provide dates to the planetary positions mentioned in Ramayana and other vedic literature began with legendary Bal Gangadhar Tilak in his well known book 'Orion'. However, the efforts made so far were based on manual computations. Since one revolution of these planets is completed in a highly complex fractional number, it is difficult to arrive at the accurate day and time in history. But in late 90s many software were developed to track the position of planets in the sky and with these software, planets' position at any given point of time in the sky can be known. By using a powerful planetarium software, I found that the planetary positions mentioned in Ramayana for the date of birth of Lord Ram had occurred in the sky at around 12.30 p.m. of 10th January 5114 BC. It was the ninth day of the Shukla Paksh of Chaitra month too. Moving forward, after 25 years of the birth of Lord Ram, the position of planets in the sky tallies with their description in Ramayana. Again, on the amavasya of the 10th month of the 13th year of exile the solar eclipse had indeed occurred and the particular arrangement of planets in the sky was visible. ( Date comes to 7th October 5077 BC). Even the occurrence of subsequent two eclipses also tally with the respective description in Valmiki Ramayan. (Date of Hanuman's meeting Sita at Lanka was 12th September 5076 BC). In this manner the entire sequence of the planetary positions gets verified and all the dates can be precisely determined. The entire dating has been conducted objectively because the software does not permit any manipulation and the verses of Ramayana are also free of any doubts. Leading scientists and those in this field have appreciated this work. Since the entire sequence tallies, it proves that all the observations in theRamayana were actual recordings and not conjectures. The indologist suggested that I should have some archaeological evidence in support of these dates because for western historians these dates are too old to be accepted! By god's grace I came across an interesting archaeological evidence also and I give it's details in forthcoming paras. About a few months back NASA had photographed an ancient bridge like structure between India and Sri Lanka and stated that it appeared to be manmade. Most of our historians and theologists jumped on the story and said it was related to Lord Ram. Later on NASA denied having made any statement as to how the bridge got built etc. The enthusiasm died soon and nothing could be conculded since we were trying to prove that it was built millions of years ago. Just analyse the situation. Suppose you build your house with stones, which are millions of years old - Does your house also becomes millions of years old?Answer is a clear 'No'. This was the mistake we were making while trying to claim the ancient bridge and the antiquity of Lord Ram to millions of years ago. Actually, the remains of the bridge, which Lord Ram had built are still available at a place called ' Chedu Karai' in Tamil Nadu. 'Chedu' means 'Setu' ( bridge) and 'Karai' means 'corner'. Interestingly, these remains of the bridge are available at the depth of about 10 feet below the water and these are about 1.5 kilometer inside the sea. We are all aware that the rise of sea level, ever since the end of the last ice age (about 16000 BC), is a continuous phenomenon. There is scientific unanimity today that at the end of the last Ice age (which lasted about 1,20,000 Years) the sea level was about 120 meters below the present level. After that, earth entered the warming phase and Ice started melting. The level of sea started rising. The most interesting thing here is that the depth of sea between India and Sri Lanka is just 6-13 meters. It is not more than 13 meters deep at any place. Hence, at the end of last Ice age (16000 BC) India and Sri Lanka were connected by land. The sea level started to rise gradually and again the scientific data suggests that it reached the level of 14 meters as late as 8000 Years ago. This clearly means that what we call as Palk Strait today came into existence only around 6000 BC. Water rose to a level where it was seen above the shallow land between India and Sri Lanka only around 6000 BC. The data is correct to the extent of +/- 1500 years. It is all available at the website of National Geophysical Data Centre, USA. Hence, if the narration in Ramayana is to be believed that Rama's army crossed the sea to reach Lanka, it has to be an event of Post 6000 BC era.” The above mail raises a lot many questions and in turn disputes the dating of our history. It has long been advocated that the life of Kaliyug is 432,000 years. The previous yugas were in simple multiples of this basic figure. Thus Dwapar, Treta and Satyug were 2, 3 and 4 times respectively. Thus the total age of a Mahayug comprising of one cycle of Sat, Treta, Dwapar and Kaliyug has been said to be 4,320,000 years and it has been said that this is the LCM of planetary movement through the cosmos; i.e. planets would return to the same position after this period or one cycle of their movement would be completed. This is one of the fundamental concept of time advocated in our ancient scriptures. While I do not dispute the scientific fats about the Ice Age etc, my query is with regard to the positions mentioned by Valmiki. He did give some positions but not all! The learned scholars may be able to shed some light on this aspect. Given that this age is correct, is Ramayana only 8000 years old? Excavations off Dwarka coast in Gujarat have been dated to be around 3000 years old and we are said be around 5000 years into Kaliyug. If so do our Puranas date back to 6000 BC? I would like learned members to express their views. Regards, Amitabh Inbox full of unwanted email? 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Guest guest Posted March 24, 2007 Report Share Posted March 24, 2007 Dear Dr Chandel, Thanks for your comments - had been looking forward for some good responses at this time of the year when Ram Navmi is just round the corner. Unfortunately, the group members probably have more important things on mind. My mail was merely a compilation of thoughts in response to the mail I saw during net surfing. We may discuss other details separately. Regards, Amitabh Shastri prerna himanchal <prerna_himanchal wrote: Dear Sh Amitabh I must say that you have done an excellent study . I think your attempt will not only authenticate our history but also provide a scientific basis.Also the period of various yugas also need a serious study . Could you Please send me a copy of your study ? regards Dr SS Chandel Shimla , India Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri wrote: I would like to take this opportunity to draw the attention of learned members to the following mail I saw recently during net surfing. “I would like to share a few factual details about the life of Lord Rama through this mail. In case you are interested in knowing about the actual dates of the happening of various events during the life time of Lord Rama - please continue to read. I have found the precise dates of happening of various events during the lifetime of Lord Ram from his birth to the age of 39 years when he returned from 14 year's exile. Maharishi Valmiki, who wrote Ramayana, was contemporary of Lord Ram. While narrating the events of lifetime of Lord Ram, Valmiki has incidentally mentioned the position of planets in the sky at different places. For instance, the position of all the planets (visible with unaided eye) has been mentioned for the date of birth of Lord Ram. Later, while mentioning that Lord Ram was sent to exile for 14 years on his 25th birthday, the position of planets in the sky has been mentioned again for that day. Moving forward, it has been stated that on the amavasya (no moon day) of the 10th month of the 13th year of his exile he fought a battle with Khar and Dushan and on that day a solar eclipse was seen from Panchwati. Not only a solar eclipse occurred but the planets were arranged in the sky in a particular manner. Going ahead, he mantions that six months later when Ram killed Bali on the Amavasya of Ashad of the 14th year of exile, another solar eclipse was visible in the morning sky and after five months when Hanuman went to meet Sita at Lanka, a lunar eclipse was witnessed in the evening. Besides these several other planetary positions have also been mentioned at different other places. It is imporatant to know that planetary positions keep changing every day in the sky and they do not repeat for Lakhs of years!! Moreover, if we know the position of all the planets in the sky, then they refer to one and only one date in history. The effort to provide dates to the planetary positions mentioned in Ramayana and other vedic literature began with legendary Bal Gangadhar Tilak in his well known book 'Orion'. However, the efforts made so far were based on manual computations. Since one revolution of these planets is completed in a highly complex fractional number, it is difficult to arrive at the accurate day and time in history. But in late 90s many software were developed to track the position of planets in the sky and with these software, planets' position at any given point of time in the sky can be known. By using a powerful planetarium software, I found that the planetary positions mentioned in Ramayana for the date of birth of Lord Ram had occurred in the sky at around 12.30 p.m. of 10th January 5114 BC. It was the ninth day of the Shukla Paksh of Chaitra month too. Moving forward, after 25 years of the birth of Lord Ram, the position of planets in the sky tallies with their description in Ramayana. Again, on the amavasya of the 10th month of the 13th year of exile the solar eclipse had indeed occurred and the particular arrangement of planets in the sky was visible. ( Date comes to 7th October 5077 BC). Even the occurrence of subsequent two eclipses also tally with the respective description in Valmiki Ramayan. (Date of Hanuman's meeting Sita at Lanka was 12th September 5076 BC). In this manner the entire sequence of the planetary positions gets verified and all the dates can be precisely determined. The entire dating has been conducted objectively because the software does not permit any manipulation and the verses of Ramayana are also free of any doubts. Leading scientists and those in this field have appreciated this work. Since the entire sequence tallies, it proves that all the observations in theRamayana were actual recordings and not conjectures. The indologist suggested that I should have some archaeological evidence in support of these dates because for western historians these dates are too old to be accepted! By god's grace I came across an interesting archaeological evidence also and I give it's details in forthcoming paras. About a few months back NASA had photographed an ancient bridge like structure between India and Sri Lanka and stated that it appeared to be manmade. Most of our historians and theologists jumped on the story and said it was related to Lord Ram. Later on NASA denied having made any statement as to how the bridge got built etc. The enthusiasm died soon and nothing could be conculded since we were trying to prove that it was built millions of years ago. Just analyse the situation. Suppose you build your house with stones, which are millions of years old - Does your house also becomes millions of years old?Answer is a clear 'No'. This was the mistake we were making while trying to claim the ancient bridge and the antiquity of Lord Ram to millions of years ago. Actually, the remains of the bridge, which Lord Ram had built are still available at a place called ' Chedu Karai' in Tamil Nadu. 'Chedu' means 'Setu' ( bridge) and 'Karai' means 'corner'. Interestingly, these remains of the bridge are available at the depth of about 10 feet below the water and these are about 1.5 kilometer inside the sea. We are all aware that the rise of sea level, ever since the end of the last ice age (about 16000 BC), is a continuous phenomenon. There is scientific unanimity today that at the end of the last Ice age (which lasted about 1,20,000 Years) the sea level was about 120 meters below the present level. After that, earth entered the warming phase and Ice started melting. The level of sea started rising. The most interesting thing here is that the depth of sea between India and Sri Lanka is just 6-13 meters. It is not more than 13 meters deep at any place. Hence, at the end of last Ice age (16000 BC) India and Sri Lanka were connected by land. The sea level started to rise gradually and again the scientific data suggests that it reached the level of 14 meters as late as 8000 Years ago. This clearly means that what we call as Palk Strait today came into existence only around 6000 BC. Water rose to a level where it was seen above the shallow land between India and Sri Lanka only around 6000 BC. The data is correct to the extent of +/- 1500 years. It is all available at the website of National Geophysical Data Centre, USA. Hence, if the narration in Ramayana is to be believed that Rama's army crossed the sea to reach Lanka, it has to be an event of Post 6000 BC era.” The above mail raises a lot many questions and in turn disputes the dating of our history. It has long been advocated that the life of Kaliyug is 432,000 years. The previous yugas were in simple multiples of this basic figure. Thus Dwapar, Treta and Satyug were 2, 3 and 4 times respectively. Thus the total age of a Mahayug comprising of one cycle of Sat, Treta, Dwapar and Kaliyug has been said to be 4,320,000 years and it has been said that this is the LCM of planetary movement through the cosmos; i.e. planets would return to the same position after this period or one cycle of their movement would be completed. This is one of the fundamental concept of time advocated in our ancient scriptures. While I do not dispute the scientific fats about the Ice Age etc, my query is with regard to the positions mentioned by Valmiki. He did give some positions but not all! The learned scholars may be able to shed some light on this aspect. Given that this age is correct, is Ramayana only 8000 years old? Excavations off Dwarka coast in Gujarat have been dated to be around 3000 years old and we are said be around 5000 years into Kaliyug. If so do our Puranas date back to 6000 BC? I would like learned members to express their views. Regards, Amitabh Inbox full of unwanted email? Get leading protection and 1GB storage with All New Mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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