Retrogression

April 19, 2009

Dear Friends,

Following is an excerpt from a mail posted on another forum by me. For those who may be interested.

Dear abc,Everything is Maya here till one understands theactual truth.The Sun setting is a Maya for many who dont knowthat the Sun is always there..The Flat earth was a Maya till they understoodit is round.You and me are Maya until we go up.Pluto was a Maya uptil now tillthey understood that it is not a Planet.When we say that two planets are in conjunctionin same degrees, does not mean that they areactually kissing each other.Because when we watch from a point on earththe angular distance makes them to be seentogether from here,whereas they may be millions ofMiles or Light Years away from each other. Thisis Maya.The 7 colours of the Rainbow may be Maya for us,for actually there may be many more, but we will haveto reach the heavens to know the truth.The space we know of as empty, may not be actually so,there may be many worlds there in the Universe,which may not be seen with our eyesthrough the mortalbody.. There may be many more Universes we may notknow of.The 3 dimensions we know maybe Mayavic truth,whereasthere may be another dimension too which this physicalbody may not be able to fathom, and which may be thetruth. There are hundreds of such truths we know astruth, till we come to know what actually thetruth is. Till then, it is all Mayavic truth for us.Remember truth is a relative term. For the person who hasnever come out of a island in remote jungle, a taperecording voice of a tiger growling may be truth to him,that a tiger there nearby.For a very great astrologer just watching a Natal chartwithout degrees for few moments glance may bring outthe truth whereas for people like me , it may not come outeven with hundreds of statistical Data sheets taken outof the Printer . The quotient is realisation. The morerealisation and intuition coupledwith studies one may have devoted to, the more nearerto the truth would he be. In a Divine science likeastrology, it is very necessay and a boon for all ofus, that there are no single shot rules working forcause and effect in reality. And rightly so, forastrology is not meant to be in hands of every Harry,Dick and Tom. There has to be a mixture, a synthesis ofrules, with proper study of Bhanga part of these, alongwith the other requisites I mentioned above, for oneto predict. It cannot be everyones cup of tea.Talking of retrogression, when we are travelling ina train, sitting near the window, and when anothertrain passes speedily on the paralell track next toours, we feel sitting in our train, that our trainis actually going behind, when the truth is that itis also moving forward, but slow in comparison to theother train which we are watching. This is the samestate of retrogression of planets. All imaginary.We can never be able to interpret retrogressioncompletely because there are various angles to each.1) Retrograde Planet in The Kendras.2) Retrograde Planet in evil Houses.3) Retrograde planets as Lords of evil Houses.4) Retrograde planets as benefic Lords5) Retrograde planets in conjunction withother retrograde planet.6) Retrograde planet in conjunction with ExaltedPlanet.7) Retrograde Planet in conjunction with DebilitatedPlanet.8) Retrograde planet in own house.9) Retrograde planet in inimical house.10)Retrograde planet coming out of deblitation.11)Retrograde planet moving towards exaltation.12)Retrograde planet in 6,8,12th in Natal but in goodhouse in Navamsha chart.I can write another 20 placements like above.Can anyone possibly answer the results of all above?Then there are 9 Planets and 12 houses.How to contend with so many permutations andcombinations ? It is not possible humanely.But individually answers can be sought and found.Every astrologer has to search for his ownway and style of judgement which should be changeableand flexible throughout his Life. Intuition has to bedeveloped, which would give the answer when one iswatching a chart. There can be no hard and fastor rigid rules for retrogression. Everyone has tofind his own answer. Because there are contradictoryresults written by various famous astrologers, so whichone to believe and which one to not ?This has to be an individual decision.Therefore we may be able to/ and we may not be able toso far interpret retrogression completely. Depends onindividual to individual

regards,

Bhaskar.

April 19, 2009

bhaskarji,

we were enjoying the lessons of our astro-course.par na jaane kyun...sab aadha-adhura rah gaya....of course you are your best judge, par sirji hamne toh sapne dekhne shuru kar diye the ek naya gyaan paane ke...sirji plz kahin woh gyan paana bhi hamaare liye maya hi to nahi ban jaayegi?? I know we are not paying you for your efforts...IT is fully your decision whether to continue or not..but...we are still hopeful

[ps -plz don't mind sir..don't get angry...KAAN PAKAD KAR LIKHA HAI SIRJI]--- On Sun, 4/19/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Retrogression Date: Sunday, April 19, 2009, 1:33 PM

Dear Friends,

Following is an excerpt from a mail posted on another forum by me. For those who may be interested.

Dear abc,Everything is Maya here till one understands theactual truth.The Sun setting is a Maya for many who dont knowthat the Sun is always there..The Flat earth was a Maya till they understoodit is round.You and me are Maya until we go up.Pluto was a Maya uptil now tillthey understood that it is not a Planet.When we say that two planets are in conjunctionin same degrees, does not mean that they areactually kissing each other.Because when we watch from a point on earththe angular distance makes them to be seentogether from here,whereas they may be millions ofMiles or Light Years away from each other. Thisis Maya.The 7 colours of the Rainbow may be Maya for us,for actually there may be many more, but we will haveto reach the heavens to know the truth.The space we know of as empty, may not be actually so,there may be many worlds there

in the Universe,which may not be seen with our eyesthrough the mortalbody.. There may be many more Universes we may notknow of.The 3 dimensions we know maybe Mayavic truth,whereasthere may be another dimension too which this physicalbody may not be able to fathom, and which may be thetruth. There are hundreds of such truths we know astruth, till we come to know what actually thetruth is. Till then, it is all Mayavic truth for us.Remember truth is a relative term. For the person who hasnever come out of a island in remote jungle, a taperecording voice of a tiger growling may be truth to him,that a tiger there nearby.For a very great astrologer just watching a Natal chartwithout degrees for few moments glance may bring outthe truth whereas for people like me , it may not come outeven with hundreds of statistical Data sheets taken outof the Printer . The quotient is realisation. The

morerealisation and intuition coupledwith studies one may have devoted to, the more nearerto the truth would he be. In a Divine science likeastrology, it is very necessay and a boon for all ofus, that there are no single shot rules working forcause and effect in reality. And rightly so, forastrology is not meant to be in hands of every Harry,Dick and Tom. There has to be a mixture, a synthesis ofrules, with proper study of Bhanga part of these, alongwith the other requisites I mentioned above, for oneto predict. It cannot be everyones cup of tea.Talking of retrogression, when we are travelling ina train, sitting near the window, and when anothertrain passes speedily on the paralell track next toours, we feel sitting in our train, that our trainis actually going behind, when the truth is that itis also moving forward, but slow in comparison to theother train which we are

watching. This is the samestate of retrogression of planets. All imaginary.We can never be able to interpret retrogressioncompletely because there are various angles to each.1) Retrograde Planet in The Kendras.2) Retrograde Planet in evil Houses.3) Retrograde planets as Lords of evil Houses.4) Retrograde planets as benefic Lords5) Retrograde planets in conjunction withother retrograde planet.6) Retrograde planet in conjunction with ExaltedPlanet.7) Retrograde Planet in conjunction with DebilitatedPlanet.8) Retrograde planet in own house.9) Retrograde planet in inimical house.10)Retrograde planet coming out of deblitation.11)Retrograde planet moving towards exaltation.12)Retrograde planet in 6,8,12th in Natal but in goodhouse in Navamsha chart.I can write another 20 placements like above.Can anyone possibly answer the results of all above?Then there are 9

Planets and 12 houses.How to contend with so many permutations andcombinations ? It is not possible humanely.But individually answers can be sought and found.Every astrologer has to search for his ownway and style of judgement which should be changeableand flexible throughout his Life. Intuition has to bedeveloped, which would give the answer when one iswatching a chart. There can be no hard and fastor rigid rules for retrogression. Everyone has tofind his own answer. Because there are contradictoryresults written by various famous astrologers, so whichone to believe and which one to not ?This has to be an individual decision.Therefore we may be able to/ and we may not be able toso far interpret retrogression completely. Depends onindividual to individual

regards,

Bhaskar.

April 19, 2009

Dear Kiran ji,

I am a very busy person I must say humbly.

I don't have much time left after doing my professional duties,

to even do meditation, or Pooja till the extent I wish, morning or

evening walk, Yoga, Physical exercises, or doing things which

I enjoy the most, which is reading. Apart from this my studies

in Jyotish are continuing, and will remain so academically for next few years, after which I may take a diversion and remain content with what is already learnt. Because there is no end to learning and accumulating knowledge, and one has to put a brake at some point, for better divine matters to been given their due too.

Regards to the astrology course in question, it takes me at least 2 full working days to prepare a course like what I am doing and have done previously. This affects my other interests, and after sacrificing on them if I do not elicit a sizeable number of response, then it really hurts and one feels he is wasting his time for nothing. Pearls are not meant to be thrown away, and my course is not just a Copy Paste but a practical one looking for making "Astrologers".

Decision -

Those who have given the responses for last lesson by way of

sending their answers on the Group File sections, they would now

be taken in another Group for continuance of the course, and if anybody is further interested, let him pay the Fees and attend the course. Those who have already answered I would be asking some information from them while making a formal announcement in due course. I am sure this time there will be many less takers, because no body likes to part with money. And I rather have 2 serious students in my course instead of 100 spectators and passers by. These few members who have given their time in answering of course would not be charged.

regards,

Bhaskar.

, kiran dasaur <kirandasaur wrote:>> bhaskarji,> we were enjoying the lessons of our astro-course.par na jaane kyun...sab aadha-adhura rah gaya....of course you are your best judge, par sirji hamne toh sapne dekhne shuru kar diye the ek naya gyaan paane ke...sirji plz kahin woh gyan paana bhi hamaare liye maya hi to nahi ban jaayegi?? I know we are not paying you for your efforts...IT is fully your decision whether to continue or not..but...we are still hopeful> [ps -plz don't mind sir..don't get angry...KAAN PAKAD KAR LIKHA HAI SIRJI]> > --- On Sun, 4/19/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish wrote:> > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish Retrogression> > Sunday, April 19, 2009, 1:33 PM> > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,> Following is an excerpt from a mail posted on another forum by me. For those who may be interested.> Dear abc,> > Everything is Maya here till one understands the> actual truth.> > The Sun setting is a Maya for many who dont know> that the Sun is always there..> The Flat earth was a Maya till they understood> it is round.> You and me are Maya until we go up.> Pluto was a Maya uptil now till> they understood that it is not a Planet.> When we say that two planets are in conjunction> in same degrees, does not mean that they are> actually kissing each other.> Because when we watch from a point on earth> the angular distance makes them to be seen> together from here,whereas they may be millions of> Miles or Light Years away from each other. This> is Maya.> The 7 colours of the Rainbow may be Maya for us,> for actually there may be many more, but we will have> to reach the heavens to know the truth.> The space we know of as empty, may not be actually so,> there may be many worlds there in the Universe,> which may not be seen with our eyesthrough the mortal> body.. There may be many more Universes we may not> know of.> The 3 dimensions we know maybe Mayavic truth,whereas> there may be another dimension too which this physical> body may not be able to fathom, and which may be the> truth. There are hundreds of such truths we know as> truth, till we come to know what actually the> truth is. Till then, it is all Mayavic truth for us.> Remember truth is a relative term. For the person who has> never come out of a island in remote jungle, a tape> recording voice of a tiger growling may be truth to him,> that a tiger there nearby.> For a very great astrologer just watching a Natal chart> without degrees for few moments glance may bring out> the truth whereas for people like me , it may not come out> even with hundreds of statistical Data sheets taken out> of the Printer . The quotient is realisation. The more> realisation and intuition coupled> with studies one may have devoted to, the more nearer> to the truth would he be. In a Divine science like> astrology, it is very necessay and a boon for all of> us, that there are no single shot rules working for> cause and effect in reality. And rightly so, for> astrology is not meant to be in hands of every Harry,> Dick and Tom. There has to be a mixture, a synthesis of> rules, with proper study of Bhanga part of these, along> with the other requisites I mentioned above, for one> to predict. It cannot be everyones cup of tea.> > Talking of retrogression, when we are travelling in> a train, sitting near the window, and when another> train passes speedily on the paralell track next to> ours, we feel sitting in our train, that our train> is actually going behind, when the truth is that it> is also moving forward, but slow in comparison to the> other train which we are watching. This is the same> state of retrogression of planets. All imaginary.> > We can never be able to interpret retrogression> completely because there are various angles to each.> > 1) Retrograde Planet in The Kendras.> 2) Retrograde Planet in evil Houses.> 3) Retrograde planets as Lords of evil Houses.> 4) Retrograde planets as benefic Lords> 5) Retrograde planets in conjunction with> other retrograde planet.> 6) Retrograde planet in conjunction with Exalted> Planet.> 7) Retrograde Planet in conjunction with Debilitated> Planet.> 8) Retrograde planet in own house.> 9) Retrograde planet in inimical house.> 10)Retrograde planet coming out of deblitation.> 11)Retrograde planet moving towards exaltation.> 12)Retrograde planet in 6,8,12th in Natal but in good> house in Navamsha chart.> > I can write another 20 placements like above.> Can anyone possibly answer the results of all above?> Then there are 9 Planets and 12 houses.> How to contend with so many permutations and> combinations ? It is not possible humanely.> > But individually answers can be sought and found.> Every astrologer has to search for his own> way and style of judgement which should be changeable> and flexible throughout his Life. Intuition has to be> developed, which would give the answer when one is> watching a chart. There can be no hard and fast> or rigid rules for retrogression. Everyone has to> find his own answer. Because there are contradictory> results written by various famous astrologers, so which> one to believe and which one to not ?> > This has to be an individual decision.> > Therefore we may be able to/ and we may not be able to> so far interpret retrogression completely. Depends on> individual to individual> regards,> Bhaskar.>

April 20, 2009

Dear SirFrom very little that I have been able to make sense of in the very very vast subject of JYOTISH, as far as my understanding of retrogression goes it is as under which i am humbly putting across for your kind consideration.

More than trying to judge the results of retrogression it is pertinent to understand the role retrograde planets play in a native's life.The vedic understanding of a retograde planet( as per my understanding) is that the strength of a planet goes up multifold when it is retrograde and hence is give prime importance in determining the shad bala of a planet under the category of chesta bala.A debilated retrograde planet in kendra is supposed to become EXALTED.Why have our seers given so much importance to retrogression?This I believe is the case because the basic tenet of Jyotish is that the Grahas have the power to influence and do influence one's thoughts and hence once desires and hence one's actions.In this context the planets that are retrograde(remember sun and moon can never be retograde and Rahu, Ketu are always considered retrograde) in a horoscope very strongly indicate areas(by the karakatvas of the planet in question plus all the areas in the horoscope it gets related to by occupation,ownership and sambandha) of the native that the native has a very very strong desire to revisit those areas in his lifetime.Hence next to Rahu and Ketu(both considered karmic forces--interesting to note that they are always considered retrograde) become the most compelling forces that may be driving a native's life and can represent the most active areas of his life either as a struggles or achievements.

Further going by the above logic a native's ability to have new experiences in these aresas will commence only after the planet in question becomes direct in motion.This period can be determined progression.

The above logic when applied to the fact that Sun and Moon can never be retrograde makes eminent sense as Sun which represents one's soul is destined to only evolve upwards (it may experience a temporary halt to evolve in certain areas in this lifetime) and Moon that represents native's mind that connects one's soul to the world outside cannot by very definition become r retrograde.

Thus retrograde planets offer an easy way to gauge and judge the prime driving forces in a native's life and therefore the dasa/antar/pratyantar dasa periods of retrograde planets that can be very critical in native's life.This can be a great help in judging the overall results.

Late Shri Chandubhai Patel from his research on Nadi Granthas has given following results for retrograde planets in a native's horoscope.Eigth lord when retrograde very long longevity.

Mercury retrograde-- a happy go lucky life.Jupiter retrograde--children will take care till end of life and so on...Put two plus two together the above results become quite obvious.

Hope the above lines go towards stimulating the grey matter of budding Jyotishis.Best regards and keep up the good workSaumil Trivedi

On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 11:03 PM, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

Dear Friends,

Following is an excerpt from a mail posted on another forum by me. For those who may be interested.

Dear abc,Everything is Maya here till one understands theactual truth.The Sun setting is a Maya for many who dont knowthat the Sun is always there..The Flat earth was a Maya till they understood

it is round.You and me are Maya until we go up.Pluto was a Maya uptil now tillthey understood that it is not a Planet.When we say that two planets are in conjunctionin same degrees, does not mean that they are

actually kissing each other.Because when we watch from a point on earththe angular distance makes them to be seentogether from here,whereas they may be millions ofMiles or Light Years away from each other. This

is Maya.The 7 colours of the Rainbow may be Maya for us,for actually there may be many more, but we will haveto reach the heavens to know the truth.The space we know of as empty, may not be actually so,

there may be many worlds there in the Universe,which may not be seen with our eyesthrough the mortalbody.. There may be many more Universes we may notknow of.The 3 dimensions we know maybe Mayavic truth,whereas

there may be another dimension too which this physicalbody may not be able to fathom, and which may be thetruth. There are hundreds of such truths we know astruth, till we come to know what actually thetruth is. Till then, it is all Mayavic truth for us.

Remember truth is a relative term. For the person who hasnever come out of a island in remote jungle, a taperecording voice of a tiger growling may be truth to him,that a tiger there nearby.For a very great astrologer just watching a Natal chart

without degrees for few moments glance may bring outthe truth whereas for people like me , it may not come outeven with hundreds of statistical Data sheets taken outof the Printer . The quotient is realisation. The more

realisation and intuition coupledwith studies one may have devoted to, the more nearerto the truth would he be. In a Divine science likeastrology, it is very necessay and a boon for all ofus, that there are no single shot rules working for

cause and effect in reality. And rightly so, forastrology is not meant to be in hands of every Harry,Dick and Tom. There has to be a mixture, a synthesis ofrules, with proper study of Bhanga part of these, along

with the other requisites I mentioned above, for oneto predict. It cannot be everyones cup of tea.Talking of retrogression, when we are travelling ina train, sitting near the window, and when anothertrain passes speedily on the paralell track next to

ours, we feel sitting in our train, that our trainis actually going behind, when the truth is that itis also moving forward, but slow in comparison to theother train which we are watching. This is the same

state of retrogression of planets. All imaginary.We can never be able to interpret retrogressioncompletely because there are various angles to each.1) Retrograde Planet in The Kendras.2) Retrograde Planet in evil Houses.

3) Retrograde planets as Lords of evil Houses.4) Retrograde planets as benefic Lords5) Retrograde planets in conjunction withother retrograde planet.6) Retrograde planet in conjunction with ExaltedPlanet.

7) Retrograde Planet in conjunction with DebilitatedPlanet.8) Retrograde planet in own house.9) Retrograde planet in inimical house.10)Retrograde planet coming out of deblitation.11)Retrograde planet moving towards exaltation.

12)Retrograde planet in 6,8,12th in Natal but in goodhouse in Navamsha chart.I can write another 20 placements like above.Can anyone possibly answer the results of all above?Then there are 9 Planets and 12 houses.

How to contend with so many permutations andcombinations ? It is not possible humanely.But individually answers can be sought and found.Every astrologer has to search for his ownway and style of judgement which should be changeable

and flexible throughout his Life. Intuition has to bedeveloped, which would give the answer when one iswatching a chart. There can be no hard and fastor rigid rules for retrogression. Everyone has tofind his own answer. Because there are contradictory

results written by various famous astrologers, so whichone to believe and which one to not ?This has to be an individual decision.Therefore we may be able to/ and we may not be able toso far interpret retrogression completely. Depends on

individual to individual

regards,

Bhaskar.

-- Saumil Trivedi

April 20, 2009

Dear all,

It gives me a great pleasure to introduce Shri Saumil Trivedi, who is my senior colelague in astrology, bears great spiritual and astrological knowledge, and the only person with whom I like discussing astrology in this world. He is a great friend, a very good helpful human being and does not hold back in sharing , either money or knowledge. In my journey of astrology it is Gods great gift to me, to have friend and colleague as such. My conversations with hims almost daily, give me hearts content and peace as far as astrology is concerned alongwith matters such as spiritiual and understanding human nature. I prefer discussing charts with him rather than known Gurus whenever I require advice and inputs where I may be wanting. He is also a great Financial Stock Market Expert and advisor and has been invited frequently all these years by Television channels to grace the viewers with his few minutes lectures which have some substance unlikte the gibberish ununderstandable language which we often hear from other analysts on the Stock market TV Channels. He has great astrological knowledge and you may take advantage of same , if he allows, but no Chart readings please.

I welcome Shri Saumil Trivedi on board Jyotish_Ganga.

regards,

Bhaskar.

, SAUMIL TRIVEDI <saumil.trivedi wrote:>> Dear Sir> From very little that I have been able to make sense of in the very very> vast subject of JYOTISH, as far as my understanding of retrogression goes it> is as under which i am humbly putting across for your kind consideration.> > More than trying to judge the results of retrogression it is pertinent to> understand the role retrograde planets play in a native's life.> The vedic understanding of a retograde planet( as per my understanding) is> that the strength of a planet goes up multifold when it is retrograde and> hence is give prime importance in determining the shad bala of a planet> under the category of chesta bala.A debilated retrograde planet in kendra> is supposed to become EXALTED.Why have our seers given so much importance> to retrogression?This I believe is the case because the basic tenet of> Jyotish is that the Grahas have the power to influence and do influence> one's thoughts and hence once desires and hence one's actions.In this> context the planets that are retrograde(remember sun and moon can never be> retograde and Rahu, Ketu are always considered retrograde) in a horoscope> very strongly indicate areas(by the karakatvas of the planet in question> plus all the areas in the horoscope it gets related to by> occupation,ownership and sambandha) of the native that the native has a very> very strong desire to revisit those areas in his lifetime.Hence next to> Rahu and Ketu(both considered karmic forces--interesting to note that they> are always considered retrograde) become the most compelling forces that may> be driving a native's life and can represent the most active areas of his> life either as a struggles or achievements.> Further going by the above logic a native's ability to have new experiences> in these aresas will commence only after the planet in question becomes> direct in motion.This period can be determined progression.> > The above logic when applied to the fact that Sun and Moon can never be> retrograde makes eminent sense as Sun which represents one's soul is> destined to only evolve upwards (it may experience a temporary halt to> evolve in certain areas in this lifetime) and Moon that represents> native's mind that connects one's soul to the world outside cannot by very> definition become r retrograde.> > Thus retrograde planets offer an easy way to gauge and judge the prime> driving forces in a native's life and therefore the dasa/antar/pratyantar> dasa periods of retrograde planets that can be very critical in native's> life.This can be a great help in judging the overall results.> > Late Shri Chandubhai Patel from his research on Nadi Granthas has given> following results for retrograde planets in a native's horoscope.> > Eigth lord when retrograde very long longevity.> Mercury retrograde-- a happy go lucky life.> Jupiter retrograde--children will take care till end of life and so on...> > Put two plus two together the above results become quite obvious.> > Hope the above lines go towards stimulating the grey matter of budding> Jyotishis.> > Best regards and keep up the good work> > Saumil Trivedi> > On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 11:03 PM, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotishwrote:> > >> >> > Dear Friends,> >> > Following is an excerpt from a mail posted on another forum by me. For> > those who may be interested.> >> > Dear abc,> >> > Everything is Maya here till one understands the> > actual truth.> >> > The Sun setting is a Maya for many who dont know> > that the Sun is always there..> > The Flat earth was a Maya till they understood> > it is round.> > You and me are Maya until we go up.> > Pluto was a Maya uptil now till> > they understood that it is not a Planet.> > When we say that two planets are in conjunction> > in same degrees, does not mean that they are> > actually kissing each other.> > Because when we watch from a point on earth> > the angular distance makes them to be seen> > together from here,whereas they may be millions of> > Miles or Light Years away from each other. This> > is Maya.> > The 7 colours of the Rainbow may be Maya for us,> > for actually there may be many more, but we will have> > to reach the heavens to know the truth.> > The space we know of as empty, may not be actually so,> > there may be many worlds there in the Universe,> > which may not be seen with our eyesthrough the mortal> > body.. There may be many more Universes we may not> > know of.> > The 3 dimensions we know maybe Mayavic truth,whereas> > there may be another dimension too which this physical> > body may not be able to fathom, and which may be the> > truth. There are hundreds of such truths we know as> > truth, till we come to know what actually the> > truth is. Till then, it is all Mayavic truth for us.> > Remember truth is a relative term. For the person who has> > never come out of a island in remote jungle, a tape> > recording voice of a tiger growling may be truth to him,> > that a tiger there nearby.> > For a very great astrologer just watching a Natal chart> > without degrees for few moments glance may bring out> > the truth whereas for people like me , it may not come out> > even with hundreds of statistical Data sheets taken out> > of the Printer . The quotient is realisation. The more> > realisation and intuition coupled> > with studies one may have devoted to, the more nearer> > to the truth would he be. In a Divine science like> > astrology, it is very necessay and a boon for all of> > us, that there are no single shot rules working for> > cause and effect in reality. And rightly so, for> > astrology is not meant to be in hands of every Harry,> > Dick and Tom. There has to be a mixture, a synthesis of> > rules, with proper study of Bhanga part of these, along> > with the other requisites I mentioned above, for one> > to predict. It cannot be everyones cup of tea.> >> > Talking of retrogression, when we are travelling in> > a train, sitting near the window, and when another> > train passes speedily on the paralell track next to> > ours, we feel sitting in our train, that our train> > is actually going behind, when the truth is that it> > is also moving forward, but slow in comparison to the> > other train which we are watching. This is the same> > state of retrogression of planets. All imaginary.> >> > We can never be able to interpret retrogression> > completely because there are various angles to each.> >> > 1) Retrograde Planet in The Kendras.> > 2) Retrograde Planet in evil Houses.> > 3) Retrograde planets as Lords of evil Houses.> > 4) Retrograde planets as benefic Lords> > 5) Retrograde planets in conjunction with> > other retrograde planet.> > 6) Retrograde planet in conjunction with Exalted> > Planet.> > 7) Retrograde Planet in conjunction with Debilitated> > Planet.> > 8) Retrograde planet in own house.> > 9) Retrograde planet in inimical house.> > 10)Retrograde planet coming out of deblitation.> > 11)Retrograde planet moving towards exaltation.> > 12)Retrograde planet in 6,8,12th in Natal but in good> > house in Navamsha chart.> >> > I can write another 20 placements like above.> > Can anyone possibly answer the results of all above?> > Then there are 9 Planets and 12 houses.> > How to contend with so many permutations and> > combinations ? It is not possible humanely.> >> > But individually answers can be sought and found.> > Every astrologer has to search for his own> > way and style of judgement which should be changeable> > and flexible throughout his Life. Intuition has to be> > developed, which would give the answer when one is> > watching a chart. There can be no hard and fast> > or rigid rules for retrogression. Everyone has to> > find his own answer. Because there are contradictory> > results written by various famous astrologers, so which> > one to believe and which one to not ?> >> > This has to be an individual decision.> >> > Therefore we may be able to/ and we may not be able to> > so far interpret retrogression completely. Depends on> > individual to individual> >> > regards,> >> > Bhaskar.> >> > > >> > > > -- > Saumil Trivedi>

April 20, 2009

Dear Saumil Bhai,

Bhai dost ho toh aisa.

Lying down in fever, I was missing talking to you, and here your mail comes in. A very informative mail. Thank You. Hope your trip is worthhile and you come back to Bombay at the earliest.

I request you to be more active on the Group, so that the members can learn and share from your informative and knowledge packed mailings.

regards,

Bhaskar.

, SAUMIL TRIVEDI <saumil.trivedi wrote:>> Dear Sir> From very little that I have been able to make sense of in the very very> vast subject of JYOTISH, as far as my understanding of retrogression goes it> is as under which i am humbly putting across for your kind consideration.> > More than trying to judge the results of retrogression it is pertinent to> understand the role retrograde planets play in a native's life.> The vedic understanding of a retograde planet( as per my understanding) is> that the strength of a planet goes up multifold when it is retrograde and> hence is give prime importance in determining the shad bala of a planet> under the category of chesta bala.A debilated retrograde planet in kendra> is supposed to become EXALTED.Why have our seers given so much importance> to retrogression?This I believe is the case because the basic tenet of> Jyotish is that the Grahas have the power to influence and do influence> one's thoughts and hence once desires and hence one's actions.In this> context the planets that are retrograde(remember sun and moon can never be> retograde and Rahu, Ketu are always considered retrograde) in a horoscope> very strongly indicate areas(by the karakatvas of the planet in question> plus all the areas in the horoscope it gets related to by> occupation,ownership and sambandha) of the native that the native has a very> very strong desire to revisit those areas in his lifetime.Hence next to> Rahu and Ketu(both considered karmic forces--interesting to note that they> are always considered retrograde) become the most compelling forces that may> be driving a native's life and can represent the most active areas of his> life either as a struggles or achievements.> Further going by the above logic a native's ability to have new experiences> in these aresas will commence only after the planet in question becomes> direct in motion.This period can be determined progression.> > The above logic when applied to the fact that Sun and Moon can never be> retrograde makes eminent sense as Sun which represents one's soul is> destined to only evolve upwards (it may experience a temporary halt to> evolve in certain areas in this lifetime) and Moon that represents> native's mind that connects one's soul to the world outside cannot by very> definition become r retrograde.> > Thus retrograde planets offer an easy way to gauge and judge the prime> driving forces in a native's life and therefore the dasa/antar/pratyantar> dasa periods of retrograde planets that can be very critical in native's> life.This can be a great help in judging the overall results.> > Late Shri Chandubhai Patel from his research on Nadi Granthas has given> following results for retrograde planets in a native's horoscope.> > Eigth lord when retrograde very long longevity.> Mercury retrograde-- a happy go lucky life.> Jupiter retrograde--children will take care till end of life and so on...> > Put two plus two together the above results become quite obvious.> > Hope the above lines go towards stimulating the grey matter of budding> Jyotishis.> > Best regards and keep up the good work> > Saumil Trivedi> > On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 11:03 PM, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotishwrote:> > >> >> > Dear Friends,> >> > Following is an excerpt from a mail posted on another forum by me. For> > those who may be interested.> >> > Dear abc,> >> > Everything is Maya here till one understands the> > actual truth.> >> > The Sun setting is a Maya for many who dont know> > that the Sun is always there..> > The Flat earth was a Maya till they understood> > it is round.> > You and me are Maya until we go up.> > Pluto was a Maya uptil now till> > they understood that it is not a Planet.> > When we say that two planets are in conjunction> > in same degrees, does not mean that they are> > actually kissing each other.> > Because when we watch from a point on earth> > the angular distance makes them to be seen> > together from here,whereas they may be millions of> > Miles or Light Years away from each other. This> > is Maya.> > The 7 colours of the Rainbow may be Maya for us,> > for actually there may be many more, but we will have> > to reach the heavens to know the truth.> > The space we know of as empty, may not be actually so,> > there may be many worlds there in the Universe,> > which may not be seen with our eyesthrough the mortal> > body.. There may be many more Universes we may not> > know of.> > The 3 dimensions we know maybe Mayavic truth,whereas> > there may be another dimension too which this physical> > body may not be able to fathom, and which may be the> > truth. There are hundreds of such truths we know as> > truth, till we come to know what actually the> > truth is. Till then, it is all Mayavic truth for us.> > Remember truth is a relative term. For the person who has> > never come out of a island in remote jungle, a tape> > recording voice of a tiger growling may be truth to him,> > that a tiger there nearby.> > For a very great astrologer just watching a Natal chart> > without degrees for few moments glance may bring out> > the truth whereas for people like me , it may not come out> > even with hundreds of statistical Data sheets taken out> > of the Printer . The quotient is realisation. The more> > realisation and intuition coupled> > with studies one may have devoted to, the more nearer> > to the truth would he be. In a Divine science like> > astrology, it is very necessay and a boon for all of> > us, that there are no single shot rules working for> > cause and effect in reality. And rightly so, for> > astrology is not meant to be in hands of every Harry,> > Dick and Tom. There has to be a mixture, a synthesis of> > rules, with proper study of Bhanga part of these, along> > with the other requisites I mentioned above, for one> > to predict. It cannot be everyones cup of tea.> >> > Talking of retrogression, when we are travelling in> > a train, sitting near the window, and when another> > train passes speedily on the paralell track next to> > ours, we feel sitting in our train, that our train> > is actually going behind, when the truth is that it> > is also moving forward, but slow in comparison to the> > other train which we are watching. This is the same> > state of retrogression of planets. All imaginary.> >> > We can never be able to interpret retrogression> > completely because there are various angles to each.> >> > 1) Retrograde Planet in The Kendras.> > 2) Retrograde Planet in evil Houses.> > 3) Retrograde planets as Lords of evil Houses.> > 4) Retrograde planets as benefic Lords> > 5) Retrograde planets in conjunction with> > other retrograde planet.> > 6) Retrograde planet in conjunction with Exalted> > Planet.> > 7) Retrograde Planet in conjunction with Debilitated> > Planet.> > 8) Retrograde planet in own house.> > 9) Retrograde planet in inimical house.> > 10)Retrograde planet coming out of deblitation.> > 11)Retrograde planet moving towards exaltation.> > 12)Retrograde planet in 6,8,12th in Natal but in good> > house in Navamsha chart.> >> > I can write another 20 placements like above.> > Can anyone possibly answer the results of all above?> > Then there are 9 Planets and 12 houses.> > How to contend with so many permutations and> > combinations ? It is not possible humanely.> >> > But individually answers can be sought and found.> > Every astrologer has to search for his own> > way and style of judgement which should be changeable> > and flexible throughout his Life. Intuition has to be> > developed, which would give the answer when one is> > watching a chart. There can be no hard and fast> > or rigid rules for retrogression. Everyone has to> > find his own answer. Because there are contradictory> > results written by various famous astrologers, so which> > one to believe and which one to not ?> >> > This has to be an individual decision.> >> > Therefore we may be able to/ and we may not be able to> > so far interpret retrogression completely. Depends on> > individual to individual> >> > regards,> >> > Bhaskar.> >> > > >> > > > -- > Saumil Trivedi>

April 21, 2009

Dear Trivedi ji,

Thank you for being with us and for sharing your valuable views about

the retrograde planets. This phenomenon, indeed is one of the least

understood aspects of astrology. It is difficult to predict the results

of these planets with the same level of confidence as with the direct

planets.

Apart from the cheshta bal which adds to the shadbal of

a retro planet, a retrograde planet also acquires an element of

strength and beneficence in the Amsayu method of calculation of

longevity where the age contributed by a retrograde planet is to be

trebled vide bharan.

At the same time, it is seen that a

retrograde planet gives adverse results for health. Parashar says that

benefics in the kendras promote sound health, but a retrograde benefic

may not be able to do so. In fact it is quite capable of causing a

health problem appropriate to its significations during its dasha.

Malefic retrograde planets are, of course, worse. Moreover, the

retrograde planet passes on its adverse influence to other planets by

association or aspect.

A retrograde malefic, since it becomes a

stronger malefic by virtue of its retrogression, can be adverse for

health, it is understandable. But why should a benefic, becoming a

stronger benefic produce adverse results for health?

Would appreciate your views on this.

Thanks and regards

Neelam

April 22, 2009

HI

Retrograd planets particularly benefics harm the karaka of the planet when retrograds

in my case Venus --- On Tue, 21/4/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: Re: Retrogression Date: Tuesday, 21 April, 2009, 10:49 AM

Dear Trivedi ji,Thank you for being with us and for sharing your valuable views about the retrograde planets. This phenomenon, indeed is one of the least understood aspects of astrology. It is difficult to predict the results of these planets with the same level of confidence as with the direct planets.Apart from the cheshta bal which adds to the shadbal of a retro planet, a retrograde planet also acquires an element of strength and beneficence in the Amsayu method of calculation of longevity where the age contributed by a retrograde planet is to be trebled vide bharan.At the same time, it is seen that a retrograde planet gives adverse results for health. Parashar says that benefics in the kendras promote sound health, but a retrograde benefic may not be able to do so. In fact it is quite capable of causing a health problem appropriate to its significations during its dasha. Malefic retrograde planets are, of course, worse.

Moreover, the retrograde planet passes on its adverse influence to other planets by association or aspect.A retrograde malefic, since it becomes a stronger malefic by virtue of its retrogression, can be adverse for health, it is understandable. But why should a benefic, becoming a stronger benefic produce adverse results for health?Would appreciate your views on this.Thanks and regardsNeelam

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April 22, 2009

HI

Retrogade planets particularly benefcs harm the karkatwa of the planet concerned

Like Venus in 7 retriograde has harmed the marital life of the native

Regards

Puneet Ahuja

--- On Tue, 21/4/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: Re: Retrogression Date: Tuesday, 21 April, 2009, 10:49 AM

Dear Trivedi ji,Thank you for being with us and for sharing your valuable views about the retrograde planets. This phenomenon, indeed is one of the least understood aspects of astrology. It is difficult to predict the results of these planets with the same level of confidence as with the direct planets.Apart from the cheshta bal which adds to the shadbal of a retro planet, a retrograde planet also acquires an element of strength and beneficence in the Amsayu method of calculation of longevity where the age contributed by a retrograde planet is to be trebled vide bharan.At the same time, it is seen that a retrograde planet gives adverse results for health. Parashar says that benefics in the kendras promote sound health, but a retrograde benefic may not be able to do so. In fact it is quite capable of causing a health problem appropriate to its significations during its dasha. Malefic retrograde planets are, of course, worse.

Moreover, the retrograde planet passes on its adverse influence to other planets by association or aspect.A retrograde malefic, since it becomes a stronger malefic by virtue of its retrogression, can be adverse for health, it is understandable. But why should a benefic, becoming a stronger benefic produce adverse results for health?Would appreciate your views on this.Thanks and regardsNeelam

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April 22, 2009

Dear NeelamjiBeing an engineering student I have always tried to understand the underlying principles of any subject and learning Jyotish has been the best experience of learning any subject from that stand point. This makes sense because the whole prakriti is function on a DIVINE PRINCIPLE and discovering the tenets of the same is the crux of the Jyotish vidya, the pupose being that understanding the same one can understand and work towards fulfilling the true purpose of life.

Now coming to your query my observations as per my understanding are as under.As i had mentioned a planet by virtue of it being retrograde is an indication of the native's very strong desire(bordering on compulsion) to revisit the areas suggested by the houses the retograde planet is related to in a native's chart. This revisiting may be

because the native has come in this life with very very strong unfulfilled desires in this areas that go to make his DRIDH PRARABDAHA(inescapable experiences of this life) or because he has left unfinished business with the persons denoted by the houses to which the retrograde planet relates, what we call RUNANUBANDH which the native has to fulfill in this lifetime.If the native has to evolve further he has to come to total contentment with regard to the desires he is finding so compelling to experience and or honor the obligations to others he relates to.l.

It is necessary to understand the above dynamics to find a logical answer to your query hence the elaboration .Now as you have pointed out it should be the case that a benefic that is retrograde becomes more stronger. Going by the above premise one would expect the native to be provided with all the means to experience his unfulfilled desires to his heart's content.However in the process if other aspects of the native's chart do not indicate any spiritual inclinations he is likely to overindulge in his pursuit of fulfillment of his desires(can be one or of shad ripus) inviting in the process troubles regarding his health.

The second possibility is that the placement of such retrograde benefics in 6/8/12 are likely to greatly contribute to his spiritual advance that may be achieved by actual physical suffering from health problems of making great sacrifices in relationships that may be very painful experiences but bring about a catharsis that leads to spiritual advance.

In short the very purpose of the planet's retrogression is to give a strong signal to the native that he is bound have very strong and at times totally unexplainable experiences and it is incumbent upon him(if he wants to live a meaningful life) to welcome them and grow beyond them.

Hope this helps.Best regardsSaumil Trivedi On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 11:19 PM, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:

Dear Trivedi ji,

Thank you for being with us and for sharing your valuable views about

the retrograde planets. This phenomenon, indeed is one of the least

understood aspects of astrology. It is difficult to predict the results

of these planets with the same level of confidence as with the direct

planets.Apart from the cheshta bal which adds to the shadbal of

a retro planet, a retrograde planet also acquires an element of

strength and beneficence in the Amsayu method of calculation of

longevity where the age contributed by a retrograde planet is to be

trebled vide bharan.At the same time, it is seen that a

retrograde planet gives adverse results for health. Parashar says that

benefics in the kendras promote sound health, but a retrograde benefic

may not be able to do so. In fact it is quite capable of causing a

health problem appropriate to its significations during its dasha.

Malefic retrograde planets are, of course, worse. Moreover, the

retrograde planet passes on its adverse influence to other planets by

association or aspect.A retrograde malefic, since it becomes a

stronger malefic by virtue of its retrogression, can be adverse for

health, it is understandable. But why should a benefic, becoming a

stronger benefic produce adverse results for health?Would appreciate your views on this.Thanks and regardsNeelam

-- Saumil Trivedi

April 22, 2009

respected Trivediji

is it possible to know the time and DOB [approximate,{itne se itne ke beech mein} if not exact] of a person by studying the events of his life and what he has gone through??plz tell..

--- On Wed, 4/22/09, SAUMIL TRIVEDI <saumil.trivedi wrote:

SAUMIL TRIVEDI <saumil.trivediRe: Re: Retrogression Date: Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 2:54 AM

Dear Neelamji

Being an engineering student I have always tried to understand the underlying principles of any subject and learning Jyotish has been the best experience of learning any subject from that stand point. This makes sense because the whole prakriti is function on a DIVINE PRINCIPLE and discovering the tenets of the same is the crux of the Jyotish vidya, the pupose being that understanding the same one can understand and work towards fulfilling the true purpose of life.

Now coming to your query my observations as per my understanding are as under.

As i had mentioned a planet by virtue of it being retrograde is an indication of the native's very strong desire(bordering on compulsion) to revisit the areas suggested by the houses the retograde planet is related to in a native's chart. This revisiting may be

because the native has come in this life with very very strong unfulfilled desires in this areas that go to make his DRIDH PRARABDAHA(inescapa ble experiences of this life) or because he has left unfinished business with the persons denoted by the houses to which the retrograde planet relates, what we call RUNANUBANDH which the native has to fulfill in this lifetime.If the native has to evolve further he has to come to total contentment with regard to the desires he is finding so compelling to experience and or honor the obligations to others he relates to.l.

It is necessary to understand the above dynamics to find a logical answer to your query hence the elaboration .

Now as you have pointed out it should be the case that a benefic that is retrograde becomes more stronger. Going by the above premise one would expect the native to be provided with all the means to experience his unfulfilled desires to his heart's content.However in the process if other aspects of the native's chart do not indicate any spiritual inclinations he is likely to overindulge in his pursuit of fulfillment of his desires(can be one or of shad ripus) inviting in the process troubles regarding his health.

The second possibility is that the placement of such retrograde benefics in 6/8/12 are likely to greatly contribute to his spiritual advance that may be achieved by actual physical suffering from health problems of making great sacrifices in relationships that may be very painful experiences but bring about a catharsis that leads to spiritual advance.

In short the very purpose of the planet's retrogression is to give a strong signal to the native that he is bound have very strong and at times totally unexplainable experiences and it is incumbent upon him(if he wants to live a meaningful life) to welcome them and grow beyond them.

Hope this helps.

Best regards

Saumil Trivedi

On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 11:19 PM, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Trivedi ji,Thank you for being with us and for sharing your valuable views about the retrograde planets. This phenomenon, indeed is one of the least understood aspects of astrology. It is difficult to predict the results of these planets with the same level of confidence as with the direct planets.Apart from the cheshta bal which adds to the shadbal of a retro planet, a retrograde planet also acquires an element of strength and beneficence in the Amsayu method of calculation of longevity where the age contributed by a retrograde planet is to be trebled vide bharan.At the same time, it is seen that a retrograde planet gives adverse results for health. Parashar says that benefics in the kendras promote sound health, but a retrograde benefic may not be able to do so. In fact it is quite capable of causing a health problem appropriate to its significations during its dasha. Malefic retrograde planets are, of course, worse.

Moreover, the retrograde planet passes on its adverse influence to other planets by association or aspect.A retrograde malefic, since it becomes a stronger malefic by virtue of its retrogression, can be adverse for health, it is understandable. But why should a benefic, becoming a stronger benefic produce adverse results for health?Would appreciate your views on this.Thanks and regardsNeelam

-- Saumil Trivedi

April 22, 2009

Dear KiranjiDetermining the exact time of birth is one of the most perplexing and difficult aspect of Jyotish.There are methods and methods.The method that gives the best results in my opinion is that is used by NADI jyotish based on NADYAMSA the 150 division chart that can bring one to within 24 seconds of exact birth time. However unfortunately it so appears that the attributes given to each nadyamsa even today remain closely guarded secret and unfortunately not available to make use of.

Thus we have to search other alternatives all of which have their pros and cons.The best combination from amongst the vedic method available in my opinion is of the tattva method combined with the pratinavamsa(81stdivision).The time thus arrived at can then be verified with the person's life events as delineated at the pratyantar dasa of vimsottari dasa using moon or the ascendant degree as the seed.Other methods such as followed by Krishnamoorty Paddhati, Moon's progression thru the nakshatra lords of the vimsottari dasa sequence can be applied to check the results obtained by the vedic method.

Net net the proof of the pudding (birth time's veracity) is it matches the events of one's life. But unfortunately the reverse engineering of tallying 3 to 4 major events to get the birth time will be very impractical as it will throw up so many combinations that it will be to come to any definite conclusion. However this reality of the onerous task of determining the exact time of birth should not be a major impediment to an able astrologer because with experience and divine grace that comes his way when his intentions are pure and honest, he is able to come to reasonably accurate TOB to help him delineate major direction of native's life, his strengths and weaknesses and his possible good times and bad times. In my opinion the biggest mistake that an astrologer can make is get stuck on the idea of playing GOD and be able to forecast the exact time and date of any event in a native's life. Most of the errors made by astrologers in forecasting events in a native's life stem from his incomplete knowledge of the vast field of Jyotish, his eagerness to give instant analysis without giving the time and hard work required to understand a horoscope forgetting the fact that he is dealing with a human life.

Hope the above helpsBest regdsSaumil TrivediOn Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 2:06 PM, kiran dasaur <kirandasaur wrote:

respected Trivediji

is it possible to know the time and DOB [approximate,{itne se itne ke beech mein} if not exact] of a person by studying the events of his life and what he has gone through??plz tell..

--- On Wed, 4/22/09, SAUMIL TRIVEDI <saumil.trivedi wrote:

SAUMIL TRIVEDI <saumil.trivediRe: Re: Retrogression

Date: Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 2:54 AM