Guest guest Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 Dear Sanat ji, I would be grateful if you kindly help me locate your 'Astrology-Science or Myth' file as I failed to access it from scienceof astrology site. I would like to present my views on the subject of Destiny based on some scientific facts noted in biological sciences.But first, I would like to see your file. Thanks & Regds VBDeshmukh --- sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain wrote: > Dear Deshmukh Ji, > Namaskar, > Thanks for your msg after a long time. > >>>>>> What is your idea about DESTINY /FATE / > Kismat/ > Luck/Bhagya ? Are these related words in any sense ? > Is there any scientific definition or explanation > for > any them ?<<<<<<<<< > There is no scientific definition or explanation for > DESTINY /FATE / > Kismat/ > Luck/Bhagya. > > The object of this forum is to ascertain DESTINY > /FATE / Kismat/ > Luck/Bhagya with a view as to whether these can be > decoded with the > astrological principles being followed by > astrologers or not. > If yes then how? And if not then why? You may also > read > file " Astrology a science or myth " in file section > or 1st msg. As I > am not able to compile the summery of discussion > since 2-3 months due > to lack of time. > > Your point is being discussed with Sh Prabhakar ji, > and I hope you > may have gone through various msgs. I invite you > (and other members > too) to take part in the discussion to find the > answers of your > question. But you have to come out from your blind > faith. And have to > try to find the logic etc. in support of your blind > faith. > > I hope you may have enjoying the interaction, which > is totally in new > direction. > > Hope to hear regularly, > > Yours truly, > > Sanat > > > > , > vbdeshmukh <deshmukhv > wrote: > > > > My dear Sanatji, > > Dear Sanatji, > > What is your idea about DESTINY /FATE / Kismat/ > > Luck/Bhagya ? Are these related words in any sense > ? > > Is there any scientific definition or explanation > for > > any them ? Is this information available in any of > > your files in the group? > > Since you are a learned person, we look forward to > > reading your views. > > Thanks & regds, > > VBD > > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain wrote: > > > > > Resp. Prabhakar ji, > > > Namaskar, > > > Thanks for your reply. Please do not be so > humble, > > > so I may not be > > > able to reciprocate. > > > > > > Now I am digging further both points, which may > > > trigger many points > > > in due course (like point no 3) > > > > > > 1 > > > S - What is your opinion about the destiny? Is > it > > > fixed or variable? > > > P- No, It is beyond any ordinary human beings > > > capacity to alter the > > > destiny. > > > > > > S – When we are not able to change destiny > then > > > what is the use of > > > knowing destiny? If it is like a film show where > > > every sequence of > > > event is fixed then where is the necessity to do > any > > > thing or do some > > > remedy; say remedy of lal kitab? > > > > > > 2 > > > S– Is it possible to know any event of the > future > > > with any system say > > > lal kitab? > > > P- Yes, events of the future can be known with > Lal > > > Kitab principles. > > > > > > S- What do you say, is LK is perfect in > prediction > > > for future event > > > instead of so many other systems like > traditional, > > > KP, western, > > > tarot, palmistry, numerology, vaastu, Nadi and > so > > > on? > > > > > > 3 > > > S – Is there any single principle in LK by > which > > > any prediction can > > > correctly be known? > > > > > > I Hope you will continue to share your views and > we > > > will slowly move > > > in this direction. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Yours truly, > > > Sanat > > > > > > > > > PS: I am not receiving any reply from Sh. Ghopal > ji, > > > Nathani ji, > > > Mark, Jagannathan ji, Vijayshankar ji since > long. I > > > hope they will > > > come out with their comments instead of > observing > > > silence. They must > > > support there stand logically, scientifically > etc.. > > > Otherwise there > > > is no use of interaction and one may continue > with > > > his own system of > > > exploitation if it is bread and butter for him. > > > > > > I will like to request other silent members to > take > > > part in > > > interaction and they may join from this msg. > > > it-self. There msg will > > > immediately be entered in the forum without any > > > interference from the > > > moderator or if they have any problem even then > they > > > must come out so > > > that their problem may be sorted out. > > > > > > I will also like to request Dr. Sasikumar Ji as > to > > > why " Department of > > > Space " (which was once explored by our sages > through > > > ved, puran and > > > came our with some physical structure of the > > > Universe, though it may > > > now be not acceptable.) is not coming forward to > > > educate our society, > > > which is in the grip of blind faith, created by > > > predictive > > > astrologers, through Doordarshan etc. Because it > is > > > also written in > > > our constitution that Govt will develop > scientific > > > aptitude in the > > > society. I hope to get his reply in due course. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > Yograj > > > Prabhakar > > > <yr_prabhakar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Sanat Kumar Ji > > > > Sa'daar Pranaam. > > > > > > > > Sir, my humble answers to your questions: > > > > " 1 - What is your opinion about the destiny? > Is it > > > fixed or > > > variable? " > === message truncated === Get your own website and domain for just Rs.1,999/year.* Go to http://in.business./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 Dear Deshmukh Ji, Namaskar, Thanks for your msg. I feel sorry to know that you are not able to find file section. Perhaps some other members may also have such problem. Hence I am detailing it. When you enter in our forum " Scienceofastrology " then at left hand side you will find a vertical menu like message picture home file etc. When you click the file you will enter in file section, where you will find my blog in a file namely " Astrology a science or myth " beside many other files uploaded by the members. There you will also find some files like SOA…………………, where I have complied some initial discussion with the members on various points. Due to lack of time (as I am also busy in my 3rd book) I am not able to update these files. You can also see this blog in 1st msg, which you can find by entering 1 in message (_1____) (Go) window, which is visible in message menu. If you have not yet entered through home page then cut/paste / for home page and for files section. If you will be well versed with these minor operations then they will be very useful to you. I hope this will solve your problem. I am waiting for your valuable comments on various points raised regarding predictive principles. So far I have interacted with many astrologers in last 5 years (after publication of my 1st Hindi book), but not a single astrologer is able to support their stand. As you can also observe now a days and can read various msgs. one by one to see your self the hollow stand taken by astrologers in support of their business and how they disappear or observing silence. Thanks, Yours truly, Sanat PS: 1 First of all HAPPY DIWALI to Sh AK Kaul ji. 2 Welcome to new members. Hope they will take active part in discussion. 3 I hope Sh. Prabhakar ji may be quite OK. We are not receiving his observations on my earlier msg. Perhaps Sh. Nathani and Mark do not wish to continue their discussion as they are not turning up for supporting their stand, though they are active in other forums. 4 Many members are totally silent. I do not know as to whether they are reading the msg. or not. Even if they are in support of astrologers then they must encourage their friends. I have no objection. Because I want to know the truth if any, which can be found only by proper discussion. If feelings of any member get hurted then I am sorry. As I have no such intention. Hence all members may take part and invite their other friends to this forum. If they want then they can intimate email address on sanatkumar_jain and I will personally invite them. 5 Members are also not sharing their views on very informative blogs of Sh AK Kaul ji, who is kind enough for regularly writing msg. I hope members will offer their comments. 6 I don't know what has happened to Ms Dipika Ji, who is not writing since long. I hope she may be quite OK and healthy. 7 Sh. Deshmukh ji may not have problem hence I am enclosing my blog. But it is requested with Sh Deshmukh Ji that he may please try the procedure given in mail so that he (and other amateur members) may be well versed. 8 Members may please offer their comments on the blog and earlier msgs. for further interaction. ASTROLOGY A SCIENCE OR MYTH Will you please like to ponder and instead of sticking to some misconception regarding astrology on which you have not studied in depth but you only have faith, because you have been informed like this. So come out and think with open mind and decide yourself as to whether astrology is scientific or is being given cover-up of science due to some vested interest. I do not want to hurt the sentiments of astrologers or who are in support of astrology, but I only want to emphasise that if you think that it is a science then let us examine it and then there will be no question of hurting, because you have not formulated the principles. But unfortunately you are standing in support of it like a lawyer only due to faith (which has been infused) and want to conclude like a judge that astrology is a science without knowing the story of other side. I can understand the problem of astrologer that they will loose their business but if you are a client then you must have right to know the truth or call an astrologer in the consumer forum. At the time of formulating the astrological principles in early Primitive age, it was the concept that every living being has capacity to move, whereas lifeless thing cannot move. This religious philosophy leads sages to classify all so-called planet (Sun, Moon, Mars etc.) as super living being (Deities). In those days only sages had social sanction to study religious scriptures. Thus after prolonged observation of the sky they developed the skill to predict solar and lunar eclipse, which was the result of so-called grabbing the Sun and Moon by imaginary shadow planets Rahu and Ketu. They were also able to predict the timing of eclipse and its duration. They have devised an ingenious way to offer donations etc. to get them free from the clutches of Rahu and Ketu, which is still being followed. It was also religious concept that fate of everybody is pre-decided according to their deeds. Thus in this situation, it was common wisdom as to when sages were able to predict the fate of deities like Sun and Moon then why they could not predict the fate of King and so on. Thus procedure was devised to formulate various astrological principles on the basis of the then knowledge of sages based on scriptures and their celestial observation. These principles were the key factors for deciding the fate. Procedure adopted to formulate these principles was never percolated in the Indian society due to illiteracy and hard barrier to learn such knowledge by other castes. Subsequently these principles were spread to other civilization and later on developed as Western system. What is happening nowadays that there are two groups. One group belongs to astrologers who always try to support astrology due to their business considerations (these astrologers always try to fit past event very precisely within some astrological principle within a capsule of ved, religion, astronomy (eclipse etc.) and faith etc., but they are unable to predict any future event. Because astrological principles lead to diverse predictions and that too diabolical opposite to each other. If by chance a prediction (in fluke) may come true then they start to harp on the same prediction and start self praising instead of applying the same so-called principle on other horoscopes to see their failure. Thus astrologer can only mislead, create confusion; try to cure `planets' and so on. You can find that only this is going on in every forum), whereas other group (say scientist) try to raise some logical questions against astrology. But none of them have ever tried to investigate as to what was the level of information of sages about the Universe, who developed astrological principles in primitive age and what procedure was adopted to formulate various principles relating to Lordship, Friendship-enmity, Exalted-debilitated, Aspect, Vinshottary periodicity etc. If we analyze whole set of principles then following questions may be raised (basis of formulation is given in sub-para). 1 What procedure was adopted to allot twelve signs among seven planets (as Mars is lord of Aries, Scorpio etc.) ? It was based on the concept that Sun is just above the stationary Earth and Moon is above the Sun and so on………. 2 What procedure was adopted to decide that there is enmity and friendship between some planets (as Sun and Saturn are enemy of each other) ? Based on the Indian myth of fight between deities and demons over nector after sea-churning……….. 3 What procedure was adopted to decide various aspect (full, quarter to full, half and quarter), (as planets have full aspect on seventh house) ? Based on the position of army in the battle field……….. 4 What procedure was adopted to decide that planets are exalted and debilitated at some degree (as Sun is exalted at 10 deg. of Aries sign) ? Based on planetary situation linked with Sun, when duration of the day is more in comparison to night…… 5 What procedure was adopted to decide that most powerful and hub of our solar system, Sun has 6 years vinshottary dasha whereas Venus (a small planet) has 20 years ? Based on two triangles derived after working out the effect of Universe on the basis of lord and exalted……. 6 What procedure was adopted to allot various constellations between nine planets with different vinshottary dasha ? Kratica was first constellation in Indian scriptures………. 7 What procedure was adopted to decide order of days of a week (Sunday, Monday etc.) ? Based on distribution of 60 Ghati (Ghat = pitcher) in the structure of Universe where Sun is nearer and Moon is far away….. 8 What procedure was adopted to decide fixed retrograde motion of Rahu Ketu (3-11 minute-second per day)? On the basis of recurrence of eclipse….. 9 What procedure was adopted to decide that Rahu, Ketu are 180 deg. apart? On the basis of recurrence of eclipse……….. 10 What procedure was adopted to decide timings of eclipse ? Repetition of eclipse after fixed constellation month………. Thus there may be endless questions, with a final question as to whether present form of astrology is correct? If some one gave answers to these questions then he will realize that entire astrological principles are totally based on wrong concept of Universe. Everybody may agree that every research is based on the then knowledge. In the same way, when astrology was developed by sage Parashar etc. At that time it was believed that Earth is in the centre of the Universe and stationary (it is also believed in all religions). Beside this it was also believed (you may read any old scriptures) that Sun is nearer from the Earth, whereas Moon is beyond Sun. All constellations are situated in between Mercury and Moon. You may be surprised to know that all astrological principles are actually fabricated around this concept. I my-self studying astrology since last 35 years and developed software to conclude correct prediction. But if it is true at one time then same combination is not true in other case. It leads me to think afresh logically and systematically over this subject and I find that Primitive concept (when astrology was developed) requires full overhauling in view of modern scientific astronomy, according to which primitive concept of Universe (basis of astrology) was totally changed. After lot of research I wrote an original book on astrology " Jyotish - Kitna sahi kitna galat " in Hindi (330 pages). This book contains the detailed procedure adopted to formulate these principles on the basis of the then knowledge about the Universe, which leads our sages to formulate these principles. This book was also published in English with the title " Astrology a science or myth " (450 pages). You can realize that this is revolutionary book and will change the face of predictive astrology in due course. If you interested to know more about the book or description of various chapters then you may send email to me. The book is being marketed in USA /UK etc. Refer http://www.bokklubben.no/samboweb/produkt.do?produktID=1759836 http://www.thebookplace.com/bookplace/results-asp?AUB=sanat%20kumar% 20jain & TAG= & CID= http://www.aggarwaloverseas.com/booksdetail.aspx? ProductID=64211 & catID=AGO010 & detail=t At that time our sages were neither aware of Uranus, Neptune nor they were aware that solar and lunar eclipses occurred due to presence of Moon and shadow of Earth. That's why they have developed the concept of Rahu and Ketu with retrograde motion of 3'11 " . It was mentioned in the Grahlaghav that eclipse occurred when Rahu/Ketu came within 14 degree on Amavasya (dark night) or Puranmashi (full Moon). But nobody will be able to answer that why there was no lunar eclipse when Sun, Moon and Rahu were at 203.01, 23.01 and 34.43 degree respectively on 08-11-1984 (Rahu was within 11.42 degree) or when Sun, Moon and Ketu were at 319.74, 139.74 and 150.26 degree respectively on 03-03-1988 ( Ketu was within 10.52 degree). Likewise I find that solar eclipses occurred even when difference between Moon and Rahu was more then 14°. Sun and Moon were at 94.24 deg., whereas Rahu was at 79.04 deg. on 21-07-1982 (Rahu was 15.20 deg. away). Sun and Moon were at 76.49 deg., whereas Rahu was at 91.93 deg. on 02-07-2000 (Rahu was 15.14 deg. away). To give a modern scientific colour to the astrology, you will also find in many modern astrological books that eclipse occurred at the intersection point of orbit of the Sun and Moon (though it was not known to our sages and Rahu Ketu were created on the basis of myth). Thus it is clear that at the time of full solar eclipse, when Moon happens to be just over the Sun than Rahu must also be there. But As per almanac Ketu was shown at 194 and 177 degree on 12-11-1985 and 3- 10-1986 (refer any almanac) respectively when there were full solar eclipse and position of Sun/Moon were at 206 and 166 degree respectively. You will agree that when there were full solar eclipses then on these dates either Rahu or Ketu must be at 206 and 166 degree respectively, because only then full solar eclipse may possible. Whereas Ketu was being shown at 194 and 177 degrees in almanac. Thus there was clear mistake of about 12 and 11 degrees respectively. All horoscopes are defective in this light and due to this fundamental positional variation, prediction is also effected. If you want then I can give many more examples and very simple method of detecting them. I fully support that astrology (predictive) is not a science but in primitive age predictive astrology was a mixture of astronomy + psychology + faith. Because astronomy is a science, psychology (recently discovered and it was not known in primitive age) played an important role in handling a person by the astrologer due to immense faith over astrology+astrologer hence predictive astrology appears to be correct due to combined effect of all three. You will also agree with the above observation after going through my original revolutionary research. Because if everything is pre-decided as was contention of sages then why we may take pains, why we may try to do some thing, because every thing will take place according to pre- written destiny. Secondly, there is no question of modifying that pre- written destiny, because if we try to change only our fate, even then all attached happening will automatically change creating a cascading effect, which in turn will change the pre-written fate of every person. In another case, if destiny is not pre-written or say pre- defined than it is not possible to detect it. Because when every Tom, Dick and Harry are changing their destiny due to worship, good deed etc. then destiny of every one will continue remain under change. You will agree that astrology is totally based on mathematical calculation regarding planets, whose transit is fixed and can never and never be altered. Now when transit or birth chart cannot be altered it means result of calculation or say prediction is also fixed. Then how one may change his destiny (if it is ever prewritten) by adopting some means like offering, ring, vastu etc. because in that case, if you like to say, then future events will be altered but how a calculation of planetary transit or linked prediction can be changed, which is fixed due to birth chart or fixed transit of planets? Those who think that astrology is a science may be rest assured that actually predictive astrology is not a science at all. Only astronomy and psychology (discovered only in last 200 years) were used unknowingly by our sages for some prediction and it appears correct. Hence predictive astrology is bogus and astrology is a myth. Still if you have a faith on astrology then why don't you contact The James Randi Educational Foundation who offers a US $1000000 prize to anyone who can demonstrate that astrology works. His e-mail and website is jref and http://www.randi.org because modern technologies like computer, TV, Newspaper etc. are being used to spread this myth in the cover up of science with vested business interest. Hence it requires a logical approach to fight this sort of ignorance. My book has vital scientific information in this regard and readers of the book are fully convinced that astrology (predictive) is bogus, because procedure adopted to formulate principles was neither logical nor based on correct information of Universe, solar system. I will like to have your critical comments for further interaction on my email sanatkumar_jain or you may join for discussion in group. Because you can learn astrology anywhere but can discuss only here. It would be better to know the roots of astrology and facts, data behind it before falling in the trap and come forward to join hands because of AIDS (Astrology Is Damaging Society). Sanat Kumar Jain Gwalior Think differently, Think logically and Think scientifically , vbdeshmukh <deshmukhv wrote: > > Dear Sanat ji, > I would be grateful if you kindly help me locate your > 'Astrology-Science or Myth' file as I failed to access > it from scienceof astrology site. I would like to > present my views on the subject of Destiny based on > some scientific facts noted in biological sciences.But > first, I would like to see your file. > Thanks & Regds > VBDeshmukh > > --- sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain wrote: > > > Dear Deshmukh Ji, > > Namaskar, > > Thanks for your msg after a long time. > > >>>>>> What is your idea about DESTINY /FATE / > > Kismat/ > > Luck/Bhagya ? Are these related words in any sense ? > > Is there any scientific definition or explanation > > for > > any them ?<<<<<<<<< > > There is no scientific definition or explanation for > > DESTINY /FATE / > > Kismat/ > > Luck/Bhagya. > > > > The object of this forum is to ascertain DESTINY > > /FATE / Kismat/ > > Luck/Bhagya with a view as to whether these can be > > decoded with the > > astrological principles being followed by > > astrologers or not. > > If yes then how? And if not then why? You may also > > read > > file " Astrology a science or myth " in file section > > or 1st msg. As I > > am not able to compile the summery of discussion > > since 2-3 months due > > to lack of time. > > > > Your point is being discussed with Sh Prabhakar ji, > > and I hope you > > may have gone through various msgs. I invite you > > (and other members > > too) to take part in the discussion to find the > > answers of your > > question. But you have to come out from your blind > > faith. And have to > > try to find the logic etc. in support of your blind > > faith. > > > > I hope you may have enjoying the interaction, which > > is totally in new > > direction. > > > > Hope to hear regularly, > > > > Yours truly, > > > > Sanat > > > > > > > > , > > vbdeshmukh <deshmukhv@> > > wrote: > > > > > > My dear Sanatji, > > > Dear Sanatji, > > > What is your idea about DESTINY /FATE / Kismat/ > > > Luck/Bhagya ? Are these related words in any sense > > ? > > > Is there any scientific definition or explanation > > for > > > any them ? Is this information available in any of > > > your files in the group? > > > Since you are a learned person, we look forward to > > > reading your views. > > > Thanks & regds, > > > VBD > > > > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain@> wrote: > > > > > > > Resp. Prabhakar ji, > > > > Namaskar, > > > > Thanks for your reply. Please do not be so > > humble, > > > > so I may not be > > > > able to reciprocate. > > > > > > > > Now I am digging further both points, which may > > > > trigger many points > > > > in due course (like point no 3) > > > > > > > > 1 > > > > S - What is your opinion about the destiny? Is > > it > > > > fixed or variable? > > > > P- No, It is beyond any ordinary human beings > > > > capacity to alter the > > > > destiny. > > > > > > > > S – When we are not able to change destiny > > then > > > > what is the use of > > > > knowing destiny? If it is like a film show where > > > > every sequence of > > > > event is fixed then where is the necessity to do > > any > > > > thing or do some > > > > remedy; say remedy of lal kitab? > > > > > > > > 2 > > > > S– Is it possible to know any event of the > > future > > > > with any system say > > > > lal kitab? > > > > P- Yes, events of the future can be known with > > Lal > > > > Kitab principles. > > > > > > > > S- What do you say, is LK is perfect in > > prediction > > > > for future event > > > > instead of so many other systems like > > traditional, > > > > KP, western, > > > > tarot, palmistry, numerology, vaastu, Nadi and > > so > > > > on? > > > > > > > > 3 > > > > S – Is there any single principle in LK by > > which > > > > any prediction can > > > > correctly be known? > > > > > > > > I Hope you will continue to share your views and > > we > > > > will slowly move > > > > in this direction. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Yours truly, > > > > Sanat > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: I am not receiving any reply from Sh. Ghopal > > ji, > > > > Nathani ji, > > > > Mark, Jagannathan ji, Vijayshankar ji since > > long. I > > > > hope they will > > > > come out with their comments instead of > > observing > > > > silence. They must > > > > support there stand logically, scientifically > > etc.. > > > > Otherwise there > > > > is no use of interaction and one may continue > > with > > > > his own system of > > > > exploitation if it is bread and butter for him. > > > > > > > > I will like to request other silent members to > > take > > > > part in > > > > interaction and they may join from this msg. > > > > it-self. There msg will > > > > immediately be entered in the forum without any > > > > interference from the > > > > moderator or if they have any problem even then > > they > > > > must come out so > > > > that their problem may be sorted out. > > > > > > > > I will also like to request Dr. Sasikumar Ji as > > to > > > > why " Department of > > > > Space " (which was once explored by our sages > > through > > > > ved, puran and > > > > came our with some physical structure of the > > > > Universe, though it may > > > > now be not acceptable.) is not coming forward to > > > > educate our society, > > > > which is in the grip of blind faith, created by > > > > predictive > > > > astrologers, through Doordarshan etc. Because it > > is > > > > also written in > > > > our constitution that Govt will develop > > scientific > > > > aptitude in the > > > > society. I hope to get his reply in due course. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > Yograj > > > > Prabhakar > > > > <yr_prabhakar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Respected Sanat Kumar Ji > > > > > Sa'daar Pranaam. > > > > > > > > > > Sir, my humble answers to your questions: > > > > > " 1 - What is your opinion about the destiny? > > Is it > > > > fixed or > > > > variable? " > > > === message truncated === > > > > Get your own website and domain for just Rs.1,999/year.* Go to http://in.business./ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2008 Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 Dear Sanatji, I am indeed thankful for your prompt help. I really wonder how you manage to find time when you have so many irons in the fire !! Thanks & regds. VBD --- sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain wrote: > Dear Deshmukh Ji, > Namaskar, > Thanks for your msg. > I feel sorry to know that you are not able to find > file section. > Perhaps some other members may also have such > problem. Hence I am > detailing it. > > When you enter in our forum " Scienceofastrology " > then at left hand > side you will find a vertical menu like message > picture > home file etc. When you click the file you > will enter in > file section, where you will find my blog in a file > namely " Astrology > a science or myth " beside many other files uploaded > by the members. > There you will also find some files like > SOAÂ…Â…Â…Â…Â…Â…Â…, where I have > complied some initial discussion with the members on > various points. > Due to lack of time (as I am also busy in my 3rd > book) I am not able > to update these files. > > You can also see this blog in 1st msg, which you can > find by entering > 1 in message (_1____) (Go) window, which is visible > in message menu. > > If you have not yet entered through home page then > cut/paste > / > for home page and > > for files section. > > If you will be well versed with these minor > operations then they will > be very useful to you. I hope this will solve your > problem. I am > waiting for your valuable comments on various points > raised regarding > predictive principles. So far I have interacted with > many astrologers > in last 5 years (after publication of my 1st Hindi > book), but not a > single astrologer is able to support their stand. As > you can also > observe now a days and can read various msgs. one by > one to see your > self the hollow stand taken by astrologers in > support of their > business and how they disappear or observing > silence. > > Thanks, > > Yours truly, > Sanat > > > PS: > 1 First of all HAPPY DIWALI to Sh AK Kaul ji. > > 2 Welcome to new members. Hope they will take active > part in > discussion. > > 3 I hope Sh. Prabhakar ji may be quite OK. We are > not receiving his > observations on my earlier msg. Perhaps Sh. Nathani > and Mark do not > wish to continue their discussion as they are not > turning up for > supporting their stand, though they are active in > other forums. > > 4 Many members are totally silent. I do not know as > to whether they > are reading the msg. or not. Even if they are in > support of > astrologers then they must encourage their friends. > I have no > objection. Because I want to know the truth if any, > which can be > found only by proper discussion. If feelings of any > member get hurted > then I am sorry. As I have no such intention. Hence > all members may > take part and invite their other friends to this > forum. If they want > then they can intimate email address on > sanatkumar_jain and I will personally > invite them. > > 5 Members are also not sharing their views on very > informative blogs > of Sh AK Kaul ji, who is kind enough for regularly > writing msg. I > hope members will offer their comments. > > 6 I don't know what has happened to Ms Dipika Ji, > who is not writing > since long. I hope she may be quite OK and healthy. > > 7 Sh. Deshmukh ji may not have problem hence I am > enclosing my blog. > But it is requested with Sh Deshmukh Ji that he may > please try the > procedure given in mail so that he (and other > amateur members) may be > well versed. > > 8 Members may please offer their comments on the > blog and earlier > msgs. for further interaction. > > > ASTROLOGY A SCIENCE OR MYTH > Will you please like to ponder and instead of > sticking to some > misconception regarding astrology on which you have > not studied in > depth but you only have faith, because you have been > informed like > this. So come out and think with open mind and > decide yourself as to > whether astrology is scientific or is being given > cover-up of science > due to some vested interest. I do not want to hurt > the sentiments of > astrologers or who are in support of astrology, but > I only want to > emphasise that if you think that it is a science > then let us examine > it and then there will be no question of hurting, > because you have > not formulated the principles. But unfortunately you > are standing in > support of it like a lawyer only due to faith (which > has been > infused) and want to conclude like a judge that > astrology is a > science without knowing the story of other side. I > can understand the > problem of astrologer that they will loose their > business but if you > are a client then you must have right to know the > truth or call an > astrologer in the consumer forum. > > At the time of formulating the astrological > principles in early > Primitive age, it was the concept that every living > being has > capacity to move, whereas lifeless thing cannot > move. This religious > philosophy leads sages to classify all so-called > planet (Sun, Moon, > Mars etc.) as super living being (Deities). In those > days only sages > had social sanction to study religious scriptures. > Thus after > prolonged observation of the sky they developed the > skill to predict > solar and lunar eclipse, which was the result of > so-called grabbing > the Sun and Moon by imaginary shadow planets Rahu > and Ketu. > They were also able to predict the timing of eclipse > and its > duration. They have devised an ingenious way to > offer donations etc. > to get them free from the clutches of Rahu and Ketu, > which is still > being followed. It was also religious concept that > fate of everybody > is pre-decided according to their deeds. Thus in > this situation, it > was common wisdom as to when sages were able to > predict the fate of > deities like Sun and Moon then why they could not > predict the fate of > King and so on. Thus procedure was devised to > formulate various > astrological principles on the basis of the then > knowledge of sages > based on scriptures and their celestial observation. > These principles > were the key factors for deciding the fate. > > Procedure adopted to formulate these principles was > never percolated > in the Indian society due to illiteracy and hard > barrier to learn > such knowledge by other castes. Subsequently these > principles were > spread to other civilization and later on developed > as === message truncated === Be the first one to try the new Messenger 9 Beta! Go to http://in.messenger./win/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2008 Report Share Posted October 2, 2008 Dear Deshmukh Ji, Namaskar, Thanks for your compliments. If there is a will there is a way. I want to know the truth behind astrology (though it is already covered in length in my books, yet I do not want to be partial on any side due to my inquisitiveness. Hence I am totally open and if any astrologer (so far NONE) can support his stand as to why astrology (predictive) is science or vedic (as is being claimed by every astrologer of the world / in every forum / in every book); I am here to accept it. But if they are neither able to even support his stand and only using Ved / science words only to befool innocent or for their business consideration nor they have inquisitiveness then what can be done (refer my various messages), except searching some one and alerting all, which I am doing. Actually astrologers in all forums are not members for interaction or exchange of views, to find logic and so on but they are members only to learn some new tricks to befool their clients or for claiming that individuals from the world are consulting them for their remedy. They can also show many mail/msg asking for remedy / prediction for luring their clients, which in turn may boost their business. In this situation, what else can be done by these astrologers except observing long silence, quitting any forum and so on. Hope to hear your valuable observations on my blog. Thanks Yours truly, Sanat PS: 1 Welcome to all new members. Please share your views on astrology. 2 Thanks to Ms. Dipika Ji, for turning up with her pointed observations. 3 Sh. Prabhakar Ji, we are waiting for your observations. 4 Mr. Mark, we are waiting for your observation on various principles like marriage etc. , vbdeshmukh <deshmukhv wrote: > > Dear Sanatji, > I am indeed thankful for your prompt help. I really > wonder how you manage to find time when you have so > many irons in the fire !! > Thanks & regds. > VBD > > --- sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain wrote: > > > Dear Deshmukh Ji, > > Namaskar, > > Thanks for your msg. > > I feel sorry to know that you are not able to find > > file section. > > Perhaps some other members may also have such > > problem. Hence I am > > detailing it. > > > > When you enter in our forum " Scienceofastrology " > > then at left hand > > side you will find a vertical menu like message > > picture > > home file etc. When you click the file you > > will enter in > > file section, where you will find my blog in a file > > namely " Astrology > > a science or myth " beside many other files uploaded > > by the members. > > There you will also find some files like > > SOAÂ…Â…Â…Â…Â…Â…Â…, where I have > > complied some initial discussion with the members on > > various points. > > Due to lack of time (as I am also busy in my 3rd > > book) I am not able > > to update these files. > > > > You can also see this blog in 1st msg, which you can > > find by entering > > 1 in message (_1____) (Go) window, which is visible > > in message menu. > > > > If you have not yet entered through home page then > > cut/paste > > / > > for home page and > > > > > for files section. > > > > If you will be well versed with these minor > > operations then they will > > be very useful to you. I hope this will solve your > > problem. I am > > waiting for your valuable comments on various points > > raised regarding > > predictive principles. So far I have interacted with > > many astrologers > > in last 5 years (after publication of my 1st Hindi > > book), but not a > > single astrologer is able to support their stand. As > > you can also > > observe now a days and can read various msgs. one by > > one to see your > > self the hollow stand taken by astrologers in > > support of their > > business and how they disappear or observing > > silence. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Yours truly, > > Sanat > > > > > > PS: > > 1 First of all HAPPY DIWALI to Sh AK Kaul ji. > > > > 2 Welcome to new members. Hope they will take active > > part in > > discussion. > > > > 3 I hope Sh. Prabhakar ji may be quite OK. We are > > not receiving his > > observations on my earlier msg. Perhaps Sh. Nathani > > and Mark do not > > wish to continue their discussion as they are not > > turning up for > > supporting their stand, though they are active in > > other forums. > > > > 4 Many members are totally silent. I do not know as > > to whether they > > are reading the msg. or not. Even if they are in > > support of > > astrologers then they must encourage their friends. > > I have no > > objection. Because I want to know the truth if any, > > which can be > > found only by proper discussion. If feelings of any > > member get hurted > > then I am sorry. As I have no such intention. Hence > > all members may > > take part and invite their other friends to this > > forum. If they want > > then they can intimate email address on > > sanatkumar_jain and I will personally > > invite them. > > > > 5 Members are also not sharing their views on very > > informative blogs > > of Sh AK Kaul ji, who is kind enough for regularly > > writing msg. I > > hope members will offer their comments. > > > > 6 I don't know what has happened to Ms Dipika Ji, > > who is not writing > > since long. I hope she may be quite OK and healthy. > > > > 7 Sh. Deshmukh ji may not have problem hence I am > > enclosing my blog. > > But it is requested with Sh Deshmukh Ji that he may > > please try the > > procedure given in mail so that he (and other > > amateur members) may be > > well versed. > > > > 8 Members may please offer their comments on the > > blog and earlier > > msgs. for further interaction. > > > > > > ASTROLOGY A SCIENCE OR MYTH > > Will you please like to ponder and instead of > > sticking to some > > misconception regarding astrology on which you have > > not studied in > > depth but you only have faith, because you have been > > informed like > > this. So come out and think with open mind and > > decide yourself as to > > whether astrology is scientific or is being given > > cover-up of science > > due to some vested interest. I do not want to hurt > > the sentiments of > > astrologers or who are in support of astrology, but > > I only want to > > emphasise that if you think that it is a science > > then let us examine > > it and then there will be no question of hurting, > > because you have > > not formulated the principles. But unfortunately you > > are standing in > > support of it like a lawyer only due to faith (which > > has been > > infused) and want to conclude like a judge that > > astrology is a > > science without knowing the story of other side. I > > can understand the > > problem of astrologer that they will loose their > > business but if you > > are a client then you must have right to know the > > truth or call an > > astrologer in the consumer forum. > > > > At the time of formulating the astrological > > principles in early > > Primitive age, it was the concept that every living > > being has > > capacity to move, whereas lifeless thing cannot > > move. This religious > > philosophy leads sages to classify all so-called > > planet (Sun, Moon, > > Mars etc.) as super living being (Deities). In those > > days only sages > > had social sanction to study religious scriptures. > > Thus after > > prolonged observation of the sky they developed the > > skill to predict > > solar and lunar eclipse, which was the result of > > so-called grabbing > > the Sun and Moon by imaginary shadow planets Rahu > > and Ketu. > > They were also able to predict the timing of eclipse > > and its > > duration. They have devised an ingenious way to > > offer donations etc. > > to get them free from the clutches of Rahu and Ketu, > > which is still > > being followed. It was also religious concept that > > fate of everybody > > is pre-decided according to their deeds. Thus in > > this situation, it > > was common wisdom as to when sages were able to > > predict the fate of > > deities like Sun and Moon then why they could not > > predict the fate of > > King and so on. Thus procedure was devised to > > formulate various > > astrological principles on the basis of the then > > knowledge of sages > > based on scriptures and their celestial observation. > > These principles > > were the key factors for deciding the fate. > > > > Procedure adopted to formulate these principles was > > never percolated > > in the Indian society due to illiteracy and hard > > barrier to learn > > such knowledge by other castes. Subsequently these > > principles were > > spread to other civilization and later on developed > > as > === message truncated === > > > > Be the first one to try the new Messenger 9 Beta! Go to http://in.messenger./win/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2008 Report Share Posted October 3, 2008 Dear Sanat Ji, Thanks for your guidance as I was able to open your file " Astroloy-Science or Myhth " I also read your views on 'Destiny'and although I differ with them yet I respect them because you are entitled to have your own views, regardless. I am committed to share my humble views with the members of the Forum whether worthy or not.My problem is my poor health which fluctuates like a weather-cock on day-to-day basis !! Kindly give me time & space to do the needful. Pl.bear with me in the meantime. Reards, VBD --- sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain wrote: > Dear Deshmukh Ji, > Namaskar, > Thanks for your compliments. > If there is a will there is a way. I want to know > the truth behind > astrology (though it is already covered in length in > my books, yet I > do not want to be partial on any side due to my > inquisitiveness. > Hence I am totally open and if any astrologer (so > far NONE) can > support his stand as to why astrology (predictive) > is science or > vedic (as is being claimed by every astrologer of > the world / in > every forum / in every book); I am here to accept > it. But if they are > neither able to even support his stand and only > using Ved / science > words only to befool innocent or for their business > consideration nor > they have inquisitiveness then what can be done > (refer my various > messages), except searching some one and alerting > all, which I am > doing. Actually astrologers in all forums are not > members for > interaction or exchange of views, to find logic and > so on but they > are members only to learn some new tricks to befool > their clients or > for claiming that individuals from the world are > consulting them for > their remedy. They can also show many mail/msg > asking for remedy / > prediction for luring their clients, which in turn > may boost their > business. In this situation, what else can be done > by these > astrologers except observing long silence, quitting > any forum and so > on. > > Hope to hear your valuable observations on my blog. > > Thanks > > Yours truly, > Sanat > > PS: > 1 Welcome to all new members. Please share your > views on astrology. > > 2 Thanks to Ms. Dipika Ji, for turning up with her > pointed > observations. > > 3 Sh. Prabhakar Ji, we are waiting for your > observations. > > 4 Mr. Mark, we are waiting for your observation on > various > principles like marriage etc. > > > , > vbdeshmukh <deshmukhv > wrote: > > > > Dear Sanatji, > > I am indeed thankful for your prompt help. I > really > > wonder how you manage to find time when you have > so > > many irons in the fire !! > > Thanks & regds. > > VBD > > > > --- sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain wrote: > > > > > Dear Deshmukh Ji, > > > Namaskar, > > > Thanks for your msg. > > > I feel sorry to know that you are not able to > find > > > file section. > > > Perhaps some other members may also have such > > > problem. Hence I am > > > detailing it. > > > > > > When you enter in our forum " Scienceofastrology " > > > then at left hand > > > side you will find a vertical menu like message > > > > picture > > > home file etc. When you click the file > you > > > will enter in > > > file section, where you will find my blog in a > file > > > namely " Astrology > > > a science or myth " beside many other files > uploaded > > > by the members. > > > There you will also find some files like > > > SOA…………………, where I have > > > complied some initial discussion with the > members on > > > various points. > > > Due to lack of time (as I am also busy in my 3rd > > > book) I am not able > > > to update these files. > > > > > > You can also see this blog in 1st msg, which you > can > > > find by entering > > > 1 in message (_1____) (Go) window, which is > visible > > > in message menu. > > > > > > If you have not yet entered through home page > then > > > cut/paste > > > > / > > > for home page and > > > > > > > > > for files section. > > > > > > If you will be well versed with these minor > > > operations then they will > > > be very useful to you. I hope this will solve > your > > > problem. I am > > > waiting for your valuable comments on various > points > > > raised regarding > > > predictive principles. So far I have interacted > with > > > many astrologers > > > in last 5 years (after publication of my 1st > Hindi > > > book), but not a > > > single astrologer is able to support their > stand. As > > > you can also > > > observe now a days and can read various msgs. > one by > > > one to see your > > > self the hollow stand taken by astrologers in > > > support of their > > > business and how they disappear or observing > > > silence. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Yours truly, > > > Sanat > > > > > > > > > PS: > > > 1 First of all HAPPY DIWALI to Sh AK Kaul ji. > > > > > > 2 Welcome to new members. Hope they will take > active > > > part in > > > discussion. > > > > > > 3 I hope Sh. Prabhakar ji may be quite OK. We > are > > > not receiving his > > > observations on my earlier msg. Perhaps Sh. > Nathani > > > and Mark do not > > > wish to continue their discussion as they are > not > > > turning up for > > > supporting their stand, though they are active > in > > > other forums. > > > > > > 4 Many members are totally silent. I do not know > as > > > to whether they > > > are reading the msg. or not. Even if they are in > > > support of > > > astrologers then they must encourage their > friends. > > > I have no > > > objection. Because I want to know the truth if > any, > > > which can be > > > found only by proper discussion. If feelings of > any > > > member get hurted > > > then I am sorry. As I have no such intention. > Hence > > > all members may > === message truncated === Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger./invite/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2008 Report Share Posted October 4, 2008 Resp. Deshmukh Ji, Namaskar, First of all our all good wishes are with you and hope that you will recover from your health problem very soon. Take care of your health, do not put extra labour. As we can always wait for your valuable observations. If you would have been in Gwalior then I could contact you personally to see your health. So first of all take care of your health. I am happy to note that you are able to handle various menu. OK. If we have difference over any point then it is not a matter of concern. As we are humen having different views. I can say that this forum is meant for hearing the opposite views (academically and not personally), otherwise what is the use of a forum, if moderator is not willing to hear opposite views (most of the forums are like this). I always welcome those members who can strongly support their stand, because only then we can find the truth. So I will welcome your views for further thinking and asking some points in due course. So far I am not able to find a single astrologer, who can discuss these points. Unfortunately they are more interested in their business. What can be done. Here I will like to clarify the scope of discussion in this forum for the larger benefit of the members regarding predictive astrology. 1 NO scope for pure religious or other time pass discussion or for creating any religious ill-will. 2 If someone thinks that he has faith on predictive astrology (PA) like religion, God, then there is no scope for discussion. 3 if someone thinks that he has faith on PA because it is science. Then we can discuss. 4 if someone has faith because so many persons are behind the PA, then we can discuss. 5 We can discuss any branch of PA and allied matters (including calendar, various news etc.) 6 Discussion will always be academic and not personal (personal experiences related to PA can be discussed.) Thus in nut-shell our sphere of discussion is limited to principles of various astrological systems. I am waiting for your valuable observations on my blog. Thanks Take care Yours truly, Sanat PS: Shri Prabhakar Ji, I am waiting for his observations since last 10 days. I hope he may be quite OK. , vbdeshmukh <deshmukhv wrote: > > Dear Sanat Ji, > Thanks for your guidance as I was able to open your > file " Astroloy-Science or Myhth " > I also read your views on 'Destiny'and although I > differ with them yet I respect them because you are > entitled to have your own views, regardless. > I am committed to share my humble views with the > members of the Forum whether worthy or not.My problem > is my poor health which fluctuates like a weather-cock > on day-to-day basis !! Kindly give me time & space to > do the needful. Pl.bear with me in the meantime. > Reards, > VBD > --- sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain wrote: > > > Dear Deshmukh Ji, > > Namaskar, > > Thanks for your compliments. > > If there is a will there is a way. I want to know > > the truth behind > > astrology (though it is already covered in length in > > my books, yet I > > do not want to be partial on any side due to my > > inquisitiveness. > > Hence I am totally open and if any astrologer (so > > far NONE) can > > support his stand as to why astrology (predictive) > > is science or > > vedic (as is being claimed by every astrologer of > > the world / in > > every forum / in every book); I am here to accept > > it. But if they are > > neither able to even support his stand and only > > using Ved / science > > words only to befool innocent or for their business > > consideration nor > > they have inquisitiveness then what can be done > > (refer my various > > messages), except searching some one and alerting > > all, which I am > > doing. Actually astrologers in all forums are not > > members for > > interaction or exchange of views, to find logic and > > so on but they > > are members only to learn some new tricks to befool > > their clients or > > for claiming that individuals from the world are > > consulting them for > > their remedy. They can also show many mail/msg > > asking for remedy / > > prediction for luring their clients, which in turn > > may boost their > > business. In this situation, what else can be done > > by these > > astrologers except observing long silence, quitting > > any forum and so > > on. > > > > Hope to hear your valuable observations on my blog. > > > > Thanks > > > > Yours truly, > > Sanat > > > > PS: > > 1 Welcome to all new members. Please share your > > views on astrology. > > > > 2 Thanks to Ms. Dipika Ji, for turning up with her > > pointed > > observations. > > > > 3 Sh. Prabhakar Ji, we are waiting for your > > observations. > > > > 4 Mr. Mark, we are waiting for your observation on > > various > > principles like marriage etc. > > > > > > , > > vbdeshmukh <deshmukhv@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sanatji, > > > I am indeed thankful for your prompt help. I > > really > > > wonder how you manage to find time when you have > > so > > > many irons in the fire !! > > > Thanks & regds. > > > VBD > > > > > > --- sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain@> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Deshmukh Ji, > > > > Namaskar, > > > > Thanks for your msg. > > > > I feel sorry to know that you are not able to > > find > > > > file section. > > > > Perhaps some other members may also have such > > > > problem. Hence I am > > > > detailing it. > > > > > > > > When you enter in our forum " Scienceofastrology " > > > > then at left hand > > > > side you will find a vertical menu like message > > > > > > picture > > > > home file etc. When you click the file > > you > > > > will enter in > > > > file section, where you will find my blog in a > > file > > > > namely " Astrology > > > > a science or myth " beside many other files > > uploaded > > > > by the members. > > > > There you will also find some files like > > > > SOA…………………, where I have > > > > complied some initial discussion with the > > members on > > > > various points. > > > > Due to lack of time (as I am also busy in my 3rd > > > > book) I am not able > > > > to update these files. > > > > > > > > You can also see this blog in 1st msg, which you > > can > > > > find by entering > > > > 1 in message (_1____) (Go) window, which is > > visible > > > > in message menu. > > > > > > > > If you have not yet entered through home page > > then > > > > cut/paste > > > > > > / > > > > for home page and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for files section. > > > > > > > > If you will be well versed with these minor > > > > operations then they will > > > > be very useful to you. I hope this will solve > > your > > > > problem. I am > > > > waiting for your valuable comments on various > > points > > > > raised regarding > > > > predictive principles. So far I have interacted > > with > > > > many astrologers > > > > in last 5 years (after publication of my 1st > > Hindi > > > > book), but not a > > > > single astrologer is able to support their > > stand. As > > > > you can also > > > > observe now a days and can read various msgs. > > one by > > > > one to see your > > > > self the hollow stand taken by astrologers in > > > > support of their > > > > business and how they disappear or observing > > > > silence. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Yours truly, > > > > Sanat > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: > > > > 1 First of all HAPPY DIWALI to Sh AK Kaul ji. > > > > > > > > 2 Welcome to new members. Hope they will take > > active > > > > part in > > > > discussion. > > > > > > > > 3 I hope Sh. Prabhakar ji may be quite OK. We > > are > > > > not receiving his > > > > observations on my earlier msg. Perhaps Sh. > > Nathani > > > > and Mark do not > > > > wish to continue their discussion as they are > > not > > > > turning up for > > > > supporting their stand, though they are active > > in > > > > other forums. > > > > > > > > 4 Many members are totally silent. I do not know > > as > > > > to whether they > > > > are reading the msg. or not. Even if they are in > > > > support of > > > > astrologers then they must encourage their > > friends. > > > > I have no > > > > objection. Because I want to know the truth if > > any, > > > > which can be > > > > found only by proper discussion. If feelings of > > any > > > > member get hurted > > > > then I am sorry. As I have no such intention. > > Hence > > > > all members may > > > === message truncated === > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger./invite/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 Dear Sanatji,Thanks for your kind concern for my health and wishes for my wellbeing. You may be happy to know that actually a person from your Gwalior is keeping an eye on my health here in Mumbai ! He is none other than my Engr. son in law who was born, brought up and educated in Gwlior but now is settled here because of his job.I am no stranger to Gwalior myself ! I visited Gwalior for the first time in early fiftys and stayed in the Gwalior Hotel and The State Guest House which was administered by the then M.B.Govt. I still cherish the happy memories of those days . I cannot forget Mr. Tamboli,Manager of the Hotel who looked after me well during my sojourn. All the same, I deeply appreciate your kind gesture. Regards., VBD --- sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain wrote: > Resp. Deshmukh Ji, > Namaskar, > First of all our all good wishes are with you and > hope that you will > recover from your health problem very soon. Take > care of your health, > do not put extra labour. As we can always wait for > your valuable > observations. If you would have been in Gwalior then > I could contact > you personally to see your health. So first of all > take care of your > health. > > I am happy to note that you are able to handle > various menu. OK. > > If we have difference over any point then it is not > a matter of > concern. As we are humen having different views. I > can say that this > forum is meant for hearing the opposite views > (academically and not > personally), otherwise what is the use of a forum, > if moderator is > not willing to hear opposite views (most of the > forums are like > this). I always welcome those members who can > strongly support their > stand, because only then we can find the truth. So I > will welcome > your views for further thinking and asking some > points in due course. > So far I am not able to find a single astrologer, > who can discuss > these points. Unfortunately they are more interested > in their > business. What can be done. > > Here I will like to clarify the scope of discussion > in this forum for > the larger benefit of the members regarding > predictive astrology. > > 1 NO scope for pure religious or other time pass > discussion or for > creating any religious ill-will. > 2 If someone thinks that he has faith on predictive > astrology (PA) > like religion, God, then there is no scope for > discussion. > > 3 if someone thinks that he has faith on PA because > it is science. > Then we can discuss. > 4 if someone has faith because so many persons are > behind the PA, > then we can discuss. > 5 We can discuss any branch of PA and allied matters > (including > calendar, various news etc.) > 6 Discussion will always be academic and not > personal (personal > experiences related to PA can be discussed.) > > Thus in nut-shell our sphere of discussion is > limited to principles > of various astrological systems. > > I am waiting for your valuable observations on my > blog. > > Thanks > Take care > > Yours truly, > > Sanat > > PS: > > Shri Prabhakar Ji, I am waiting for his observations > since last 10 > days. I hope he may be quite OK. > > > > > , > vbdeshmukh <deshmukhv > wrote: > > > > Dear Sanat Ji, > > Thanks for your guidance as I was able to open > your > > file " Astroloy-Science or Myhth " > > I also read your views on 'Destiny'and although I > > differ with them yet I respect them because you > are > > entitled to have your own views, regardless. > > I am committed to share my humble views with the > > members of the Forum whether worthy or not.My > problem > > is my poor health which fluctuates like a > weather-cock > > on day-to-day basis !! Kindly give me time & space > to > > do the needful. Pl.bear with me in the meantime. > > Reards, > > VBD > > --- sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain wrote: > > > > > Dear Deshmukh Ji, > > > Namaskar, > > > Thanks for your compliments. > > > If there is a will there is a way. I want to > know > > > the truth behind > > > astrology (though it is already covered in > length in > > > my books, yet I > > > do not want to be partial on any side due to my > > > inquisitiveness. > > > Hence I am totally open and if any astrologer > (so > > > far NONE) can > > > support his stand as to why astrology > (predictive) > > > is science or > > > vedic (as is being claimed by every astrologer > of > > > the world / in > > > every forum / in every book); I am here to > accept > > > it. But if they are > > > neither able to even support his stand and only > > > using Ved / science > > > words only to befool innocent or for their > business > > > consideration nor > > > they have inquisitiveness then what can be done > > > (refer my various > > > messages), except searching some one and > alerting > > > all, which I am > > > doing. Actually astrologers in all forums are > not > > > members for > > > interaction or exchange of views, to find logic > and > > > so on but they > > > are members only to learn some new tricks to > befool > > > their clients or > > > for claiming that individuals from the world are > > > consulting them for > > > their remedy. They can also show many mail/msg > > > asking for remedy / > > > prediction for luring their clients, which in > turn > > > may boost their > > > business. In this situation, what else can be > done > > > by these > > > astrologers except observing long silence, > quitting > > > any forum and so > > > on. > > > > > > Hope to hear your valuable observations on my > blog. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Yours truly, > > > Sanat > > > > > > PS: > > > 1 Welcome to all new members. Please share your > > > views on astrology. > > > > > > 2 Thanks to Ms. Dipika Ji, for turning up with > her > > > pointed > > > observations. > > > > > > 3 Sh. Prabhakar Ji, we are waiting for your > > > observations. > > > > > > 4 Mr. Mark, we are waiting for your observation > on > > > various > > > principles like marriage etc. > > > > > > > > > , > > > vbdeshmukh <deshmukhv@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sanatji, > > > > I am indeed thankful for your prompt help. I > === message truncated === Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger./invite/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 Respected Devendra ji, This group is not the right place to seek answers for such metaphysical questions. There are quite a few other groups where you could get an answer which might satisfy your curiosity. Regards, Varun Trivedi , " Davendra " <davendrak wrote: > > Prarabhad determines the destiny and in turn, Destiny determines > actions and decisions of individuals.In lower forms of life ( > animals....), their actions and decisions are programmed without > choice.While in higher forms of life ( human beings...) the actions > and decisions are programmed with limited choices. How remedial > astrology then could help to alter, modify or change these actions and > decisions which are already predetermined? or how are they influenced > or affected by remedies? > > Davendra > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Dear Astrologers, Hari Om, This is a topic which has been there but not very satisfactorily covered. Please look into it for a serious discussion. with regards, Davendra ------------------------- Dear Shri Venkat Rami Reddy Ji and Shri Rohiniranjan Ji Jaya Siyaa Raam No doubt that it is an evergreen topic in astrology and for all those seeking some peace of mind following spirituality; but however, if we follow the teachings of Geetaa where Krishn Himself says that He dcides all our actions and decisions - that means all Karm whether they are Punya or Paap, are programed by HIM, not by " I " and " ME " do anything. That means that only Destiny guides all our actions through the fate or whatever. So nothing can be changed. If at all, anything changes by its own, or by remedies or any other means; according to Christianity, is the work of Devil. With regards Sushma , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > Reddy ji, > > This is one of those evergreen topics in astrology. > > A simple consideration: If life is 100% destined and we have no > control, then it can be deduced that we are not responsible for sins > and bad deeds because those were 100% destined too! If that is true > then we do not and never did generate karma! > > I am sure the absurdity of such a thought is obvious to you ;-) > > RR > > , " ramireddy4u " > <ramireddy4u@> wrote: > > > > Dear Learned Astrologers, > > > > I am for some time seeking answers to following questions in life. > > > > I believe our vedic astroloy and you gurus have the answers. > > > > 1.Are we all 100% destined or do we have any free will in our life. > > i understand we all have to abide by karma theroy ( sanchita, > > prarabdha and agami) and we have to experience the fruits of our > > prarabdha ( either happy or sorrow) depending on the deeds in our > > previous lives. > > > > Are our main events in our life are fixed, for example marriage, is > > our life partner fixed by almighty ( as there is saying Runaanu > > bandena Pasu pathni suthalaya), do we really have the free will to > > choose our partner and the timing of these events also fixed ( > > according to Maha dasa / antar dasa) > > > > How far can we alter the problems ( punishments as a result of our > > paapa kaarya) indicated in the birth chart by following remedies. > > > > Please enlightDear Shri Venkat Rami Reddy Ji and Shri Rohiniranjan Ji Jaya Siyaa Raam No doubt that it is an evergreen topic in astrology and for all those seeking some peace of mind following spirituality; but however, if we follow the teachings of Geetaa where Krishn Himself says that He dcides all our actions and decisions - that means all Karm whether they are Punya or Paap, are programed by HIM, not by " I " and " ME " do anything. That means that only Destiny guides all our actions through the fate or whatever. So nothing can be changed. If at all, anything changes by its own, or by remedies or any other means; according to Christianity, is the work of Devil. With regards Sushma , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > Reddy ji, > > This is one of those evergreen topics in astrology. > > A simple consideration: If life is 100% destined and we have no > control, then it can be deduced that we are not responsible for sins > and bad deeds because those were 100% destined too! If that is true > then we do not and never did generate karma! > > I am sure the absurdity of such a thought is obvious to you ;-) > > RR > > , " ramireddy4u " > <ramireddy4u@> wrote: > > > > Dear Learned Astrologers, > > > > I am for some time seeking answers to following questions in life. > > > > I believe our vedic astroloy and you gurus have the answers. > > > > 1.Are we all 100% destined or do we have any free will in our life. > > i understand we all have to abide by karma theroy ( sanchita, > > prarabdha and agami) and we have to experience the fruits of our > > prarabdha ( either happy or sorrow) depending on the deeds in our > > previous lives. > > > > Are our main events in our life are fixed, for example marriage, is > > our life partner fixed by almighty ( as there is saying Runaanu > > bandena Pasu pathni suthalaya), do we really have the free will to > > choose our partner and the timing of these events also fixed ( > > according to Maha dasa / antar dasa) > > > > How far can we alter the problems ( punishments as a result of our > > paapa kaarya) indicated in the birth chart by following remedies. > > en me on the above queries. > > > > Regards, > > Venkata Rami Reddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Dear Davendraji and Sushmaji , I do not like twisting of the meanings given in the Bhagavad Gita. I would be much happier if respected people like you instead of wasting your time or others times with incessant topics for discussions which have no meaning , sit and read the Bhagavad Gita for some time daily, rather than spending so much time on the net. After extracting 10000 replies for queries from various groups, if Sushmaji is going to now show disbelief in remedies or spiritual actions, then its very much disheartening and a total waste for all of those who have replied to her in the past. Bhagavad Gita Chapter 5 Shloka 14 " Na Kritatvam na Karmaani Lokasya Srijati Prabhu : Na Karmaphalsamyogam Svabhavastu Pravartate " Translation - God determines not the doership nor the doings of men, nor even their contact with the fruit of actions ; but it is Nature alone that functions. I would now like you to give ne the reference in the Bhagavad Gita where it is written that //...... but however, if we > follow the teachings of Geetaa where Krishn Himself says that He > dcides all our actions and decisions - that means all Karm whether > they are Punya or Paap, are programed by HIM, not by "I" and "ME" do > anything. // Please give me the shloka reference with the meaning of the same. regards, Bhaskar. , "Davendra" <davendrak wrote:>> Dear Astrologers,> Hari Om,> This is a topic which has been there but not very satisfactorily > covered. Please look into it for a serious discussion.> with regards,> Davendra> -------------------------> > > > Dear Shri Venkat Rami Reddy Ji and Shri Rohiniranjan Ji> Jaya Siyaa Raam> No doubt that it is an evergreen topic in astrology and for all those > seeking some peace of mind following spirituality; but however, if we > follow the teachings of Geetaa where Krishn Himself says that He > dcides all our actions and decisions - that means all Karm whether > they are Punya or Paap, are programed by HIM, not by "I" and "ME" do > anything. That means that only Destiny guides all our actions through > the fate or whatever. So nothing can be changed.> If at all, anything changes by its own, or by remedies or any other > means; according to Christianity, is the work of Devil.> With regards> Sushma> > , "Rohiniranjan" > rohini_ranjan@ wrote:> >> > Reddy ji,> > > > This is one of those evergreen topics in astrology.> > > > A simple consideration: If life is 100% destined and we have no > > control, then it can be deduced that we are not responsible for > sins > > and bad deeds because those were 100% destined too! If that is true > > then we do not and never did generate karma!> > > > I am sure the absurdity of such a thought is obvious to you ;-)> > > > RR> > > > , "ramireddy4u" > > <ramireddy4u@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Learned Astrologers,> > > > > > I am for some time seeking answers to following questions in life.> > > > > > I believe our vedic astroloy and you gurus have the answers.> > > > > > 1.Are we all 100% destined or do we have any free will in our > life. > > > i understand we all have to abide by karma theroy ( sanchita, > > > prarabdha and agami) and we have to experience the fruits of our > > > prarabdha ( either happy or sorrow) depending on the deeds in our > > > previous lives.> > > > > > Are our main events in our life are fixed, for example marriage, > is > > > our life partner fixed by almighty ( as there is saying Runaanu > > > bandena Pasu pathni suthalaya), do we really have the free will > to > > > choose our partner and the timing of these events also fixed ( > > > according to Maha dasa / antar dasa)> > > > > > How far can we alter the problems ( punishments as a result of > our > > > paapa kaarya) indicated in the birth chart by following remedies.> > > > > > Please enlightDear Shri Venkat Rami Reddy Ji and Shri > Rohiniranjan Ji> Jaya Siyaa Raam> No doubt that it is an evergreen topic in astrology and for all those > seeking some peace of mind following spirituality; but however, if we > follow the teachings of Geetaa where Krishn Himself says that He > dcides all our actions and decisions - that means all Karm whether > they are Punya or Paap, are programed by HIM, not by "I" and "ME" do > anything. That means that only Destiny guides all our actions through > the fate or whatever. So nothing can be changed.> If at all, anything changes by its own, or by remedies or any other > means; according to Christianity, is the work of Devil.> With regards> Sushma> > , "Rohiniranjan" > rohini_ranjan@ wrote:> >> > Reddy ji,> > > > This is one of those evergreen topics in astrology.> > > > A simple consideration: If life is 100% destined and we have no > > control, then it can be deduced that we are not responsible for > sins > > and bad deeds because those were 100% destined too! If that is true > > then we do not and never did generate karma!> > > > I am sure the absurdity of such a thought is obvious to you ;-)> > > > RR> > > > , "ramireddy4u" > > <ramireddy4u@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Learned Astrologers,> > > > > > I am for some time seeking answers to following questions in life.> > > > > > I believe our vedic astroloy and you gurus have the answers.> > > > > > 1.Are we all 100% destined or do we have any free will in our > life. > > > i understand we all have to abide by karma theroy ( sanchita, > > > prarabdha and agami) and we have to experience the fruits of our > > > prarabdha ( either happy or sorrow) depending on the deeds in our > > > previous lives.> > > > > > Are our main events in our life are fixed, for example marriage, > is > > > our life partner fixed by almighty ( as there is saying Runaanu > > > bandena Pasu pathni suthalaya), do we really have the free will > to > > > choose our partner and the timing of these events also fixed ( > > > according to Maha dasa / antar dasa)> > > > > > How far can we alter the problems ( punishments as a result of > our > > > paapa kaarya) indicated in the birth chart by following remedies.> > > > > en me on the above queries.> > > > > > Regards,> > > Venkata Rami Reddy> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 ||Jai Ramakrishna|| Dear Prof.Gupta, Well, I can write few lines on free will & destiny.. Since I am not well versed in what is " Rinanu-bandhan " (repayment of debts)so I will judiciously leave it aside & try to discuss. What is freewill??? Swami Vivekananda says " The word freewill is ever contradictory. The will is not free as it is the phenomenon bound by cause & effect.But there is something behind the will which is free. " However, Vivekananda never said that it was absolutely determined and placed emphasis on the power of conscious choice to alter one's past Karma: " It is the coward and the fool who says this is his fate. But it is the strong man who stands up and says I will make my own fate. " As usual Swami Vivekananda many a times said, that " Each & every individual is spiritually & potentially divine. Every individual has that infinite power, which is hidden in them. They only need to manifest that infinite power, that divinity in them,which we call religion, & the individual when manifests the perfection in him, it is education " . However, the age old controversy will remain between free will & destiny. For people favouring the concept of destiny, they find that part of Gita where Shree Krishna tells Arjuna " Nimittamaatram bhava savyasachin " ..- O Arjuna, you just be the cause, the " effect " is predetermined. In regards to Fate & Freewill, Paramhansa Yogananda says " I would always try to know my oddtime, so that I can be cautious & take my best step/action to prevent the odd from happening or suffer the least, using my free will. " Ultimately, the Almighty has to interfere in between, thats why He tells Arjuna " Tameva sharanam gaccha, sarvabhaben bharata " ---seek his refuge. After all he will rescue you. Stil He finds we are confused thats why carries on, saying " Sarvadharman Parityajya Maamekam Sharanam Braja " ---O Arjuna, (if you cant surrender yourself to God)leave, take my refuge, leaving everything--your Varnadharma, Ashramadharma & all forms of duties & responsibilities. I will rescue you for sure. Personally, I will always play in the safer side, which is the last one!! Thank you, Gaurav. , " Davendra " <davendrak wrote: > > Dear Astrologers, > Hari Om, > This is a topic which has been there but not very satisfactorily > covered. Please look into it for a serious discussion. > with regards, > Davendra > ------------------------- > > > > Dear Shri Venkat Rami Reddy Ji and Shri Rohiniranjan Ji > Jaya Siyaa Raam > No doubt that it is an evergreen topic in astrology and for all those > seeking some peace of mind following spirituality; but however, if we > follow the teachings of Geetaa where Krishn Himself says that He > dcides all our actions and decisions - that means all Karm whether > they are Punya or Paap, are programed by HIM, not by " I " and " ME " do > anything. That means that only Destiny guides all our actions through > the fate or whatever. So nothing can be changed. > If at all, anything changes by its own, or by remedies or any other > means; according to Christianity, is the work of Devil. > With regards > Sushma > > , " Rohiniranjan " > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > Reddy ji, > > > > This is one of those evergreen topics in astrology. > > > > A simple consideration: If life is 100% destined and we have no > > control, then it can be deduced that we are not responsible for > sins > > and bad deeds because those were 100% destined too! If that is true > > then we do not and never did generate karma! > > > > I am sure the absurdity of such a thought is obvious to you ;-) > > > > RR > > > > , " ramireddy4u " > > <ramireddy4u@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Learned Astrologers, > > > > > > I am for some time seeking answers to following questions in life. > > > > > > I believe our vedic astroloy and you gurus have the answers. > > > > > > 1.Are we all 100% destined or do we have any free will in our > life. > > > i understand we all have to abide by karma theroy ( sanchita, > > > prarabdha and agami) and we have to experience the fruits of our > > > prarabdha ( either happy or sorrow) depending on the deeds in our > > > previous lives. > > > > > > Are our main events in our life are fixed, for example marriage, > is > > > our life partner fixed by almighty ( as there is saying Runaanu > > > bandena Pasu pathni suthalaya), do we really have the free will > to > > > choose our partner and the timing of these events also fixed ( > > > according to Maha dasa / antar dasa) > > > > > > How far can we alter the problems ( punishments as a result of > our > > > paapa kaarya) indicated in the birth chart by following remedies. > > > > > > Please enlightDear Shri Venkat Rami Reddy Ji and Shri > Rohiniranjan Ji > Jaya Siyaa Raam > No doubt that it is an evergreen topic in astrology and for all those > seeking some peace of mind following spirituality; but however, if we > follow the teachings of Geetaa where Krishn Himself says that He > dcides all our actions and decisions - that means all Karm whether > they are Punya or Paap, are programed by HIM, not by " I " and " ME " do > anything. That means that only Destiny guides all our actions through > the fate or whatever. So nothing can be changed. > If at all, anything changes by its own, or by remedies or any other > means; according to Christianity, is the work of Devil. > With regards > Sushma > > , " Rohiniranjan " > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > Reddy ji, > > > > This is one of those evergreen topics in astrology. > > > > A simple consideration: If life is 100% destined and we have no > > control, then it can be deduced that we are not responsible for > sins > > and bad deeds because those were 100% destined too! If that is true > > then we do not and never did generate karma! > > > > I am sure the absurdity of such a thought is obvious to you ;-) > > > > RR > > > > , " ramireddy4u " > > <ramireddy4u@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Learned Astrologers, > > > > > > I am for some time seeking answers to following questions in life. > > > > > > I believe our vedic astroloy and you gurus have the answers. > > > > > > 1.Are we all 100% destined or do we have any free will in our > life. > > > i understand we all have to abide by karma theroy ( sanchita, > > > prarabdha and agami) and we have to experience the fruits of our > > > prarabdha ( either happy or sorrow) depending on the deeds in our > > > previous lives. > > > > > > Are our main events in our life are fixed, for example marriage, > is > > > our life partner fixed by almighty ( as there is saying Runaanu > > > bandena Pasu pathni suthalaya), do we really have the free will > to > > > choose our partner and the timing of these events also fixed ( > > > according to Maha dasa / antar dasa) > > > > > > How far can we alter the problems ( punishments as a result of > our > > > paapa kaarya) indicated in the birth chart by following remedies. > > > > > en me on the above queries. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Venkata Rami Reddy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 ||Jai Ramakrishna|| Dear Bhaskarji, By any chance, are you talking about the slokas of chapter 4, sloka 13-15 & chapter 5,sloka 15-16? Thank you, Gaurav. , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Dear Davendraji and Sushmaji , > > I do not like twisting of the meanings given in the Bhagavad Gita. I > would be much happier if respected people like you instead of wasting > your time or others times with incessant topics for discussions which > have no meaning , sit and read the Bhagavad Gita for some time daily, > rather than spending so much time on the net. > > After extracting 10000 replies for queries from various groups, if > Sushmaji is going to now show disbelief in remedies or spiritual > actions, then its very much disheartening and a total waste for all of > those who have replied to her in the past. > > Bhagavad Gita Chapter 5 Shloka 14 > " Na Kritatvam na Karmaani Lokasya Srijati Prabhu : Na Karmaphalsamyogam > Svabhavastu Pravartate " Translation - God determines not the doership > nor the doings of men, nor even their contact with the fruit of actions > ; but it is Nature alone that functions. I would now like you to give > ne the reference in the Bhagavad Gita where it is written that //...... > but however, if we > follow the teachings of Geetaa where Krishn Himself > says that He > > dcides all our actions and decisions - that means all Karm whether > > they are Punya or Paap, are programed by HIM, not by " I " and " ME " do > > anything. // Please give me the shloka reference with the meaning of > the same. regards, Bhaskar. > > > > > > , " Davendra " <davendrak@> wrote: > > > > Dear Astrologers, > > Hari Om, > > This is a topic which has been there but not very satisfactorily > > covered. Please look into it for a serious discussion. > > with regards, > > Davendra > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Venkat Rami Reddy Ji and Shri Rohiniranjan Ji > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > No doubt that it is an evergreen topic in astrology and for all those > > seeking some peace of mind following spirituality; but however, if we > > follow the teachings of Geetaa where Krishn Himself says that He > > dcides all our actions and decisions - that means all Karm whether > > they are Punya or Paap, are programed by HIM, not by " I " and " ME " do > > anything. That means that only Destiny guides all our actions through > > the fate or whatever. So nothing can be changed. > > If at all, anything changes by its own, or by remedies or any other > > means; according to Christianity, is the work of Devil. > > With regards > > Sushma > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > rohini_ranjan@ wrote: > > > > > > Reddy ji, > > > > > > This is one of those evergreen topics in astrology. > > > > > > A simple consideration: If life is 100% destined and we have no > > > control, then it can be deduced that we are not responsible for > > sins > > > and bad deeds because those were 100% destined too! If that is true > > > then we do not and never did generate karma! > > > > > > I am sure the absurdity of such a thought is obvious to you ;-) > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , " ramireddy4u " > > > <ramireddy4u@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Learned Astrologers, > > > > > > > > I am for some time seeking answers to following questions in life. > > > > > > > > I believe our vedic astroloy and you gurus have the answers. > > > > > > > > 1.Are we all 100% destined or do we have any free will in our > > life. > > > > i understand we all have to abide by karma theroy ( sanchita, > > > > prarabdha and agami) and we have to experience the fruits of our > > > > prarabdha ( either happy or sorrow) depending on the deeds in our > > > > previous lives. > > > > > > > > Are our main events in our life are fixed, for example marriage, > > is > > > > our life partner fixed by almighty ( as there is saying Runaanu > > > > bandena Pasu pathni suthalaya), do we really have the free will > > to > > > > choose our partner and the timing of these events also fixed ( > > > > according to Maha dasa / antar dasa) > > > > > > > > How far can we alter the problems ( punishments as a result of > > our > > > > paapa kaarya) indicated in the birth chart by following remedies. > > > > > > > > Please enlightDear Shri Venkat Rami Reddy Ji and Shri > > Rohiniranjan Ji > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > No doubt that it is an evergreen topic in astrology and for all those > > seeking some peace of mind following spirituality; but however, if we > > follow the teachings of Geetaa where Krishn Himself says that He > > dcides all our actions and decisions - that means all Karm whether > > they are Punya or Paap, are programed by HIM, not by " I " and " ME " do > > anything. That means that only Destiny guides all our actions through > > the fate or whatever. So nothing can be changed. > > If at all, anything changes by its own, or by remedies or any other > > means; according to Christianity, is the work of Devil. > > With regards > > Sushma > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " > > rohini_ranjan@ wrote: > > > > > > Reddy ji, > > > > > > This is one of those evergreen topics in astrology. > > > > > > A simple consideration: If life is 100% destined and we have no > > > control, then it can be deduced that we are not responsible for > > sins > > > and bad deeds because those were 100% destined too! If that is true > > > then we do not and never did generate karma! > > > > > > I am sure the absurdity of such a thought is obvious to you ;-) > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , " ramireddy4u " > > > <ramireddy4u@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Learned Astrologers, > > > > > > > > I am for some time seeking answers to following questions in life. > > > > > > > > I believe our vedic astroloy and you gurus have the answers. > > > > > > > > 1.Are we all 100% destined or do we have any free will in our > > life. > > > > i understand we all have to abide by karma theroy ( sanchita, > > > > prarabdha and agami) and we have to experience the fruits of our > > > > prarabdha ( either happy or sorrow) depending on the deeds in our > > > > previous lives. > > > > > > > > Are our main events in our life are fixed, for example marriage, > > is > > > > our life partner fixed by almighty ( as there is saying Runaanu > > > > bandena Pasu pathni suthalaya), do we really have the free will > > to > > > > choose our partner and the timing of these events also fixed ( > > > > according to Maha dasa / antar dasa) > > > > > > > > How far can we alter the problems ( punishments as a result of > > our > > > > paapa kaarya) indicated in the birth chart by following remedies. > > > > > > > > en me on the above queries. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Venkata Rami Reddy > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Dear Gaurav ji, I was talking exclusively of the Shloka 14 from chapter 5. But among what you mentioned Shloka 13 from Chapter 4 , also fits in perfectly. regards/Bhaskar. , "" <gaurav.ghosh wrote:>> ||Jai Ramakrishna||> Dear Bhaskarji,> By any chance, are you talking about the slokas of chapter 4, sloka> 13-15 & chapter 5,sloka 15-16?> Thank you,> Gaurav.> > > , "Bhaskar" bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:> >> > > > Dear Davendraji and Sushmaji ,> > > > I do not like twisting of the meanings given in the Bhagavad Gita. I> > would be much happier if respected people like you instead of wasting> > your time or others times with incessant topics for discussions which> > have no meaning , sit and read the Bhagavad Gita for some time daily,> > rather than spending so much time on the net.> > > > After extracting 10000 replies for queries from various groups, if> > Sushmaji is going to now show disbelief in remedies or spiritual> > actions, then its very much disheartening and a total waste for all of> > those who have replied to her in the past.> > > > Bhagavad Gita Chapter 5 Shloka 14> > " Na Kritatvam na Karmaani Lokasya Srijati Prabhu : Na Karmaphalsamyogam> > Svabhavastu Pravartate " Translation - God determines not the doership> > nor the doings of men, nor even their contact with the fruit of actions> > ; but it is Nature alone that functions. I would now like you to give> > ne the reference in the Bhagavad Gita where it is written that //...... > > but however, if we > follow the teachings of Geetaa where Krishn Himself> > says that He> > > dcides all our actions and decisions - that means all Karm whether >> > they are Punya or Paap, are programed by HIM, not by "I" and "ME" do >> > anything. // Please give me the shloka reference with the meaning of> > the same. regards, Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > , "Davendra" <davendrak@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Astrologers,> > > Hari Om,> > > This is a topic which has been there but not very satisfactorily> > > covered. Please look into it for a serious discussion.> > > with regards,> > > Davendra> > > -------------------------> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Shri Venkat Rami Reddy Ji and Shri Rohiniranjan Ji> > > Jaya Siyaa Raam> > > No doubt that it is an evergreen topic in astrology and for all those> > > seeking some peace of mind following spirituality; but however, if we> > > follow the teachings of Geetaa where Krishn Himself says that He> > > dcides all our actions and decisions - that means all Karm whether> > > they are Punya or Paap, are programed by HIM, not by "I" and "ME" do> > > anything. That means that only Destiny guides all our actions through> > > the fate or whatever. So nothing can be changed.> > > If at all, anything changes by its own, or by remedies or any other> > > means; according to Christianity, is the work of Devil.> > > With regards> > > Sushma> > >> > > , "Rohiniranjan"> > > rohini_ranjan@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Reddy ji,> > > >> > > > This is one of those evergreen topics in astrology.> > > >> > > > A simple consideration: If life is 100% destined and we have no> > > > control, then it can be deduced that we are not responsible for> > > sins> > > > and bad deeds because those were 100% destined too! If that is true> > > > then we do not and never did generate karma!> > > >> > > > I am sure the absurdity of such a thought is obvious to you ;-)> > > >> > > > RR> > > >> > > > , "ramireddy4u"> > > > <ramireddy4u@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Learned Astrologers,> > > > >> > > > > I am for some time seeking answers to following questions in life.> > > > >> > > > > I believe our vedic astroloy and you gurus have the answers.> > > > >> > > > > 1.Are we all 100% destined or do we have any free will in our> > > life.> > > > > i understand we all have to abide by karma theroy ( sanchita,> > > > > prarabdha and agami) and we have to experience the fruits of our> > > > > prarabdha ( either happy or sorrow) depending on the deeds in our> > > > > previous lives.> > > > >> > > > > Are our main events in our life are fixed, for example marriage,> > > is> > > > > our life partner fixed by almighty ( as there is saying Runaanu> > > > > bandena Pasu pathni suthalaya), do we really have the free will> > > to> > > > > choose our partner and the timing of these events also fixed (> > > > > according to Maha dasa / antar dasa)> > > > >> > > > > How far can we alter the problems ( punishments as a result of> > > our> > > > > paapa kaarya) indicated in the birth chart by following remedies.> > > > >> > > > > Please enlightDear Shri Venkat Rami Reddy Ji and Shri> > > Rohiniranjan Ji> > > Jaya Siyaa Raam> > > No doubt that it is an evergreen topic in astrology and for all those> > > seeking some peace of mind following spirituality; but however, if we> > > follow the teachings of Geetaa where Krishn Himself says that He> > > dcides all our actions and decisions - that means all Karm whether> > > they are Punya or Paap, are programed by HIM, not by "I" and "ME" do> > > anything. That means that only Destiny guides all our actions through> > > the fate or whatever. So nothing can be changed.> > > If at all, anything changes by its own, or by remedies or any other> > > means; according to Christianity, is the work of Devil.> > > With regards> > > Sushma> > >> > > , "Rohiniranjan"> > > rohini_ranjan@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Reddy ji,> > > >> > > > This is one of those evergreen topics in astrology.> > > >> > > > A simple consideration: If life is 100% destined and we have no> > > > control, then it can be deduced that we are not responsible for> > > sins> > > > and bad deeds because those were 100% destined too! If that is true> > > > then we do not and never did generate karma!> > > >> > > > I am sure the absurdity of such a thought is obvious to you ;-)> > > >> > > > RR> > > >> > > > , "ramireddy4u"> > > > <ramireddy4u@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Learned Astrologers,> > > > >> > > > > I am for some time seeking answers to following questions in life.> > > > >> > > > > I believe our vedic astroloy and you gurus have the answers.> > > > >> > > > > 1.Are we all 100% destined or do we have any free will in our> > > life.> > > > > i understand we all have to abide by karma theroy ( sanchita,> > > > > prarabdha and agami) and we have to experience the fruits of our> > > > > prarabdha ( either happy or sorrow) depending on the deeds in our> > > > > previous lives.> > > > >> > > > > Are our main events in our life are fixed, for example marriage,> > > is> > > > > our life partner fixed by almighty ( as there is saying Runaanu> > > > > bandena Pasu pathni suthalaya), do we really have the free will> > > to> > > > > choose our partner and the timing of these events also fixed (> > > > > according to Maha dasa / antar dasa)> > > > >> > > > > How far can we alter the problems ( punishments as a result of> > > our> > > > > paapa kaarya) indicated in the birth chart by following remedies.> > > > >> > >> > > en me on the above queries.> > > > >> > > > > Regards,> > > > > Venkata Rami Reddy> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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