Guest guest Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 Namaste, These are vedic rituals - consult your family prohit for elabrate details . You would agree that Astrology is suggestive,rituals are destiny curative, and aushad is health curative. --- On Tue, 2/17/09, rashmi patel <rashmihpatel wrote: rashmi patel <rashmihpatel [vedic astrology] MARRY TO A PIPAL TREE?? vedic astrology Cc: Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 8:10 AM Respected guruji, My niece had two times divorce & some panditji told her that now she had to marry to pipal tree because then & then only you would be consider 4th marriage as succusfull marriage IS THIS TRUE?? SHE SHOULD GET MARRY TO A PIPAL TREE? PLEASE EXPLAIN ME THIS WHETHER TO BELIVE IT OR NOT? HAD ANY ONE HEARD THIS BEFORE TO MARRY PIPAL TREE ON YOURS THIRD MARRIAGE.PLEASE LET ME KNOW OK thanks rashmi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 Respected guruji, My niece had two times divorce & some panditji told her that now she had to marry to pipal tree because then & then only you would be consider 4th marriage as succusfull marriage IS THIS TRUE?? SHE SHOULD GET MARRY TO A PIPAL TREE? PLEASE EXPLAIN ME THIS WHETHER TO BELIVE IT OR NOT? HAD ANY ONE HEARD THIS BEFORE TO MARRY PIPAL TREE ON YOURS THIRD MARRIAGE.PLEASE LET ME KNOW OK thanks rashmi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 Dear Rashmi,What is so great about marriage that your niece, after being twice married and divorced, is ready to get married even to a tree so that she may get married again the fourth time??When we have unreasonable wants and desires, the world would exploit us, what to talk of Badnaam Pundits!!! Best WishesNeelam2009/2/17 rashmi patel <rashmihpatel Respected guruji, My niece had two times divorce & some panditji told her that now she had to marry to pipal tree because then & then only you would be consider 4th marriage as succusfull marriage IS THIS TRUE?? SHE SHOULD GET MARRY TO A PIPAL TREE? PLEASE EXPLAIN ME THIS WHETHER TO BELIVE IT OR NOT? HAD ANY ONE HEARD THIS BEFORE TO MARRY PIPAL TREE ON YOURS THIRD MARRIAGE.PLEASE LET ME KNOW OK thanks rashmi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 ||Jai Ramakrishna|| Dear Neelamji, SriRamakrishna Paramahamsa used to say in Bengali:- " Oont kataghaash khacche, mukh diye dar-dar korey rakta porche, kintu taar taatei sukh " .. --- Meaning:The camel eats the thorny bushes/shrubs, he is getting hurt, he is already bleeding, but he gets pleasure in having those thorny shrubs as his only means to eat! Thank you, Gaurav. , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Rashmi, > > What is so great about marriage that your niece, after being twice married > and divorced, is ready to get married even to a tree so that she may get > married again the fourth time?? > > When we have unreasonable wants and desires, the world would exploit us, > what to talk of Badnaam Pundits!!! > > Best Wishes > Neelam > > > > 2009/2/17 rashmi patel <rashmihpatel > > > Respected guruji, > > > > My niece had two times divorce & some panditji told her that now she had to > > marry to pipal tree because then & then only you would be consider 4th > > marriage as succusfull marriage > > IS THIS TRUE?? > > SHE SHOULD GET MARRY TO A PIPAL TREE? > > PLEASE EXPLAIN ME THIS WHETHER TO BELIVE IT OR NOT? > > HAD ANY ONE HEARD THIS BEFORE TO MARRY PIPAL TREE ON YOURS THIRD > > MARRIAGE.PLEASE LET ME KNOW OK > > thanks > > rashmi > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 I HAVE A SALUTION OF THIS THINGS. WHEN DO FIRST TIME ARRANGE THE MARRIAGE WEAR TWO JAIMALA EACH OTHERS( BRIDE & GROOM)MANY MARRIAGE YOG BHANG HO JATA HE. NIRANJAN SHARMA ( PAPPU PANDIT) KHANDANI JOTSHI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 Hi Gaurav,Old habits die hard. There is a very famous quote in The War of the Roses, which basically is in the context of marriage, but I find it very spiritual: There are two dilemmas that rattle the human skull: How do you hang on to someone who won't stay? And how do you get rid of someone who won't go? Neelam2009/2/17 <gaurav.ghosh ||Jai Ramakrishna|| Dear Neelamji, SriRamakrishna Paramahamsa used to say in Bengali:- " Oont kataghaash khacche, mukh diye dar-dar korey rakta porche, kintu taar taatei sukh " .. --- Meaning:The camel eats the thorny bushes/shrubs, he is getting hurt, he is already bleeding, but he gets pleasure in having those thorny shrubs as his only means to eat! Thank you, Gaurav. , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Rashmi, > > What is so great about marriage that your niece, after being twice married > and divorced, is ready to get married even to a tree so that she may get > married again the fourth time?? > > When we have unreasonable wants and desires, the world would exploit us, > what to talk of Badnaam Pundits!!! > > Best Wishes > Neelam > > > > 2009/2/17 rashmi patel <rashmihpatel > > > Respected guruji, > > > > My niece had two times divorce & some panditji told her that now she had to > > marry to pipal tree because then & then only you would be consider 4th > > marriage as succusfull marriage > > IS THIS TRUE?? > > SHE SHOULD GET MARRY TO A PIPAL TREE? > > PLEASE EXPLAIN ME THIS WHETHER TO BELIVE IT OR NOT? > > HAD ANY ONE HEARD THIS BEFORE TO MARRY PIPAL TREE ON YOURS THIRD > > MARRIAGE.PLEASE LET ME KNOW OK > > thanks > > rashmi > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 My Views - These may differ from those of Neelamji and Gauravji, does not matter. They are both respected and each has his individual views, and so do I have mines. In our tradition, certain doshas are removed before marriage by marrying the girl to a pipala tree or a pot before actual marriage to a boy, and I do not consider them obselete or non-consequential, because they are carried down by traditions and a part of our Heritage, so it does not matter to me to pay to a Pandit a small amount of money for such rituals if the dosha is removed ( Or considered to be reomoved ). This is just like Kala sarpa Pooja for Kala sarpa dosham nivarana. I dont mind spending personally for removal of such doshas, because at least after paying few thousand rupees , unncessary suspicions are removed from ones mind and he stays comfortable that I have done what I could, and rest God knows. I have personally been witness, and also a part of such rituals and so I confirm to these rituals. regards/Bhaskar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 Dear Bhaskar ji,You know that was just a dig on marriage, not on any person. Just shared some lighter moments on this. We have victims of so many calamities, what about marital victims?I was not commenting on the ritual part or the remedial measures to ward of any dosha. I am not competent to comment on that. I was just concerned about the unending desires that we have. It is all right if a still unmarried girl is found to have a dosha and she performs remedies to get married. But after two divorces... one has seen all.Hope you get my point. And others too... my apologies if I've hurt anyone. Best RegardsNeelam2009/2/17 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish My Views - These may differ from those of Neelamji and Gauravji, does not matter. They are both respected and each has his individual views, and so do I have mines. In our tradition, certain doshas are removed before marriage by marrying the girl to a pipala tree or a pot before actual marriage to a boy, and I do not consider them obselete or non-consequential, because they are carried down by traditions and a part of our Heritage, so it does not matter to me to pay to a Pandit a small amount of money for such rituals if the dosha is removed ( Or considered to be reomoved ). This is just like Kala sarpa Pooja for Kala sarpa dosham nivarana. I dont mind spending personally for removal of such doshas, because at least after paying few thousand rupees , unncessary suspicions are removed from ones mind and he stays comfortable that I have done what I could, and rest God knows. I have personally been witness, and also a part of such rituals and so I confirm to these rituals. regards/Bhaskar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 Respected Gurujis Thanks for reply, let me tell you some more of her life ok then you tell me that why should she think of 3rd time Reena actually is born in london had 2 more sisters no brother she lost her mom when she was 14 yrs old father had never lived with any of girls at all since he leaves in dubai & busy with his businesses they do get along ok she lives by her self in london doing good with work to support her but she always feel like when she go home she gets so lonely setting in 4 walls & then always gets thinking of her pervious nasty marriages & gets hurted [heart wise] Now here she finds a person who is also divorced 2 times from his marriage so she right stays little happy & not yet ready since she is scared of marriage but thinks if i am going to hang arround with him i might as well get married so this the reason please check her kundali BIRTH DATE== 14 MARCH 1975 BIRTH TIME== 01;30 AM PLACE= LONDON UK LOST MOM ON 4 MARCH 1989 & FATHER NOT STAYED WITH THEM SINCE OUT OF COUNTRY 1ST MARRIAGE 1999 LASTED 2 MONTHS 2ND MARRIAGE 2003 LASTED 1 YEAR OR SO NO BROTHER & 2 sisters Now please tell me her marriage life again going to be ok or not?? thanks rashmi neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 11:29:52 AMRe: MARRY TO A PIPAL TREE?? Dear Rashmi,What is so great about marriage that your niece, after being twice married and divorced, is ready to get married even to a tree so that she may get married again the fourth time??When we have unreasonable wants and desires, the world would exploit us, what to talk of Badnaam Pundits!!!Best WishesNeelam 2009/2/17 rashmi patel <rashmihpatel@ > Respected guruji, My niece had two times divorce & some panditji told her that now she had to marry to pipal tree because then & then only you would be consider 4th marriage as succusfull marriage IS THIS TRUE?? SHE SHOULD GET MARRY TO A PIPAL TREE? PLEASE EXPLAIN ME THIS WHETHER TO BELIVE IT OR NOT? HAD ANY ONE HEARD THIS BEFORE TO MARRY PIPAL TREE ON YOURS THIRD MARRIAGE.PLEASE LET ME KNOW OK thanks rashmi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 There is a belief, that if a girl hs mangal Dosha, she sould be first married to a pipal tree. I do not know hoy or why this belrf is prevalent  kopparsa @  To Un from group  Send a BLANK mail to " Vedic astrology-unsubscibe @egoups.com  --- On Tue, 17/2/09, rashmi patel <rashmihpatel wrote: rashmi patel <rashmihpatel [vedic astrology] MARRY TO A PIPAL TREE?? vedic astrology Cc: Tuesday, 17 February, 2009, 6:40 PM Respected guruji, My niece had two times divorce & some panditji told her that now she had to marry to pipal tree because then & then only you would be consider 4th marriage as succusfull marriage IS THIS TRUE?? SHE SHOULD GET MARRY TO A PIPAL TREE? PLEASE EXPLAIN ME THIS WHETHER TO BELIVE IT OR NOT? HAD ANY ONE HEARD THIS BEFORE TO MARRY PIPAL TREE ON YOURS THIRD MARRIAGE.PLEASE LET ME KNOW OK thanks rashmi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Dear Neelamji, Of course the dig is allowed because the member is asking this horrendous query in almost all the groups and I do not understand what is the point because by now she should have understood where the problem lies. And you are right , once , twice is enough. Whats left there to see now. But such persons show their ficklemindedness by parading their life story in front of thousands on all forums, instead of sticking to a professional astrologer and going for dedicated readings and enquiry, which should have been the proper and right recourse for he to be have taken. This ficklemindedness would not only stay here , but be carried even in the personal Life of the member in all departments, which has to be removed, and which may be one of the causes or triggers of what has been in her jindagi. warm wishes, Bhaskar. , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > You know that was just a dig on marriage, not on any person. Just shared > some lighter moments on this. We have victims of so many calamities, what > about marital victims? > > I was not commenting on the ritual part or the remedial measures to ward of > any dosha. I am not competent to comment on that. I was just concerned about > the unending desires that we have. > It is all right if a still unmarried girl is found to have a dosha and she > performs remedies to get married. But after two divorces... one has seen > all. > > Hope you get my point. And others too... my apologies if I've hurt anyone. > > Best Regards > Neelam 2009/2/17 Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish > > > My Views - > > > > These may differ from those of Neelamji and Gauravji, does not matter. They > > are both respected and each has his individual views, and so do I have > > mines. In our tradition, certain doshas are removed before marriage by > > marrying the girl to a pipala tree or a pot before actual marriage to a boy, > > and I do not consider them obselete or non-consequential, because they are > > carried down by traditions and a part of our Heritage, so it does not matter > > to me to pay to a Pandit a small amount of money for such rituals if the > > dosha is removed ( Or considered to be reomoved ). This is just like Kala > > sarpa Pooja for Kala sarpa dosham nivarana. I dont mind spending personally > > for removal of such doshas, because at least after paying few thousand > > rupees , unncessary suspicions are removed from ones mind and he stays > > comfortable that I have done what I could, and rest God knows. I have > > personally been witness, and also a part of such rituals and so I confirm to > > these rituals. > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Dear Bhaskar ji and group,'Desire begets Desire' is how we describe the dynamics behind our longings, cravings, greediness and the myriad of other such aspects of desire. Wisdom tells us that desire must be identified, taken by its roots, and ultimately culled from our psyches if we are to attain ultimate " peace " and freedom in our turbulent and troubled lives. Our quest for fulfillment through relationships or marriage provides the most fertile ground for desires to grow. Our ego gladly hosts and sustains the desires and leaves no room in our heart for the soul to enter and illuminate our being in unconditional love. Instead, our desires take root within the heart and take expression in the form of infatuations, lust & greed. We become self-centered in our neediness and ultimately dependent and possessive, as opposed to being centered in ourselves, thus connected and self-illumined in our worth. Craving for another diminishes our spirit by creating separation and suffering, rather than unity and joy. It narrows the scope and flow of life, rather than being expansive and free; it generates a craving of the senses as it " seeks " fulfillment whereas love is an expression of the light of spirit & is the actual " experience " of fulfillment. To get married is a part of our social obligation and each one gets married sooner or later and those who find difficulty must be helped through guidance and remedial measures as far as possible. To err is human, so twice may be, to rectify that mistake… but we have become insatiable in our appetite for material possessions as we lust after money and material pleasures in an attempt to be more secure, happy and free. Often, we live in future time and become obsessed with feeling secure. Ironically, this very insecurity and fear render us even more insecure, possessive and miserable. And in the process, we end up being miserable and harming, both consciously & unconsciously, all of those who stand in the way of our desires being fulfilled, most of the times our partners. As astrologers, we should be able to trace this problem in the individual and guide him/her to the right course of life. You are very right that the problem stems from the mind as you say,//This fickle-mindedness would not only stay here, but be carried even in the personal Life of the member in all departments, which has to be removed, and which may be one of the causes or triggers of what has been in her jindagi.// The problem cannot be solved by getting married 10 times, but finding peace and harmony in what one gets in life to be secure, tranquil and perhaps even enlightened.Sorry for a long sermon.RegardsNeelam 2009/2/18 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Dear Neelamji, Of course the dig is allowed because the member is asking this horrendous query in almost all the groups and I do not understand what is the point because by now she should have understood where the problem lies. And you are right , once , twice is enough. Whats left there to see now. But such persons show their ficklemindedness by parading their life story in front of thousands on all forums, instead of sticking to a professional astrologer and going for dedicated readings and enquiry, which should have been the proper and right recourse for he to be have taken. This ficklemindedness would not only stay here , but be carried even in the personal Life of the member in all departments, which has to be removed, and which may be one of the causes or triggers of what has been in her jindagi. warm wishes, Bhaskar. , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > You know that was just a dig on marriage, not on any person. Just shared > some lighter moments on this. We have victims of so many calamities, what > about marital victims? > > I was not commenting on the ritual part or the remedial measures to ward of > any dosha. I am not competent to comment on that. I was just concerned about > the unending desires that we have. > It is all right if a still unmarried girl is found to have a dosha and she > performs remedies to get married. But after two divorces... one has seen > all. > > Hope you get my point. And others too... my apologies if I've hurt anyone. > > Best Regards > Neelam 2009/2/17 Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish > > > My Views - > > > > These may differ from those of Neelamji and Gauravji, does not matter. They > > are both respected and each has his individual views, and so do I have > > mines. In our tradition, certain doshas are removed before marriage by > > marrying the girl to a pipala tree or a pot before actual marriage to a boy, > > and I do not consider them obselete or non-consequential, because they are > > carried down by traditions and a part of our Heritage, so it does not matter > > to me to pay to a Pandit a small amount of money for such rituals if the > > dosha is removed ( Or considered to be reomoved ). This is just like Kala > > sarpa Pooja for Kala sarpa dosham nivarana. I dont mind spending personally > > for removal of such doshas, because at least after paying few thousand > > rupees , unncessary suspicions are removed from ones mind and he stays > > comfortable that I have done what I could, and rest God knows. I have > > personally been witness, and also a part of such rituals and so I confirm to > > these rituals. > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 It is not uncommon for the first marriage to be made with an animal or a tree..etc. when the astrological indications are probable death of the spouse in first marriage and the subsequent ones survive!! The rural and tribal folk follow this practice. There was a case of a man ceremoniously married off to a bitch in the recent past, drawing criticism from various religious groups of the unholy and superstititous practices among Hindu-s. But, it is a fact that such marriages continue to happen and the rural folk in particular cannot be drawn away from such beliefs. --- On Wed, 2/18/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: Re: MARRY TO A PIPAL TREE?? Date: Wednesday, February 18, 2009, 11:11 AM Dear Bhaskar ji and group,'Desire begets Desire' is how we describe the dynamics behind our longings, cravings, greediness and the myriad of other such aspects of desire. Wisdom tells us that desire must be identified, taken by its roots, and ultimately culled from our psyches if we are to attain ultimate "peace" and freedom in our turbulent and troubled lives.Our quest for fulfillment through relationships or marriage provides the most fertile ground for desires to grow. Our ego gladly hosts and sustains the desires and leaves no room in our heart for the soul to enter and illuminate our being in unconditional love. Instead, our desires take root within the heart and take expression in the form of infatuations, lust & greed. We become self-centered in our neediness and ultimately dependent and possessive, as opposed to being centered in ourselves, thus connected and self-illumined in our worth. Craving for another diminishes our spirit by creating separation and suffering, rather than unity and joy. It narrows the scope and flow of life, rather than being expansive and free; it generates a craving of the senses as it "seeks" fulfillment whereas love is an expression of the light of spirit & is the actual "experience" of fulfillment.To get married is a part of our social obligation and each one gets married sooner or later and those who find difficulty must be helped through guidance and remedial measures as far as possible. To err is human, so twice may be, to rectify that mistake… but we have become insatiable in our appetite for material possessions as we lust after money and material pleasures in an attempt to be more secure, happy and free. Often, we live in future time and become obsessed with feeling secure. Ironically, this very insecurity and fear render us even more insecure, possessive and miserable. And in the process, we end up being miserable and harming, both consciously & unconsciously, all of those who stand in the way of our desires being fulfilled, most of the times our partners.As astrologers, we should be able to trace this problem in the individual and guide him/her to the right course of life. You are very right that the problem stems from the mind as you say,//This fickle-mindedness would not only stay here, but be carried even in the personal Life of the member in all departments, which has to be removed, and which may be one of the causes or triggers of what has been in her jindagi.//The problem cannot be solved by getting married 10 times, but finding peace and harmony in what one gets in life to be secure, tranquil and perhaps even enlightened.Sorry for a long sermon.RegardsNeelam 2009/2/18 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> Dear Neelamji,Of course the dig is allowed because the member is asking thishorrendous query in almost all the groups and I do not understand whatis the point because by now she should have understood where the problemlies. And you are right , once , twice is enough. Whats left there tosee now. But such persons show their ficklemindedness by parading theirlife story in front of thousands on all forums, instead of sticking to aprofessional astrologer and going for dedicated readings and enquiry,which should have been the proper and right recourse for he to be havetaken. This ficklemindedness would not only stay here , but be carriedeven in the personal Life of the member in all departments, which has tobe removed, and which may be one of the causes or triggers of what hasbeen in her jindagi.warm wishes,Bhaskar. , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>wrote:> > Dear Bhaskar ji,>> You know that was just a dig on marriage, not on any person. Justshared> some lighter moments on this. We have victims of so many calamities,what> about marital victims?>> I was not commenting on the ritual part or the remedial measures toward of> any dosha. I am not competent to comment on that. I was just concernedabout> the unending desires that we have.> It is all right if a still unmarried girl is found to have a dosha andshe> performs remedies to get married. But after two divorces... one hasseen> all.>> Hope you get my point. And others too... my apologies if I've hurtanyone.>> Best Regards> Neelam>>>>>>> 2009/2/17 Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... >> > My Views -> >> > These may differ from those of Neelamji and Gauravji, does notmatter. They> > are both respected and each has his individual views, and so do Ihave> > mines. In our tradition, certain doshas are removed before marriageby> > marrying the girl to a pipala tree or a pot before actual marriageto a boy,> > and I do not consider them obselete or non-consequential, becausethey are> > carried down by traditions and a part of our Heritage, so it doesnot matter> > to me to pay to a Pandit a small amount of money for such rituals ifthe> > dosha is removed ( Or considered to be reomoved ). This is just likeKala> > sarpa Pooja for Kala sarpa dosham nivarana. I dont mind spendingpersonally> > for removal of such doshas, because at least after paying fewthousand> > rupees , unncessary suspicions are removed from ones mind and hestays> > comfortable that I have done what I could, and rest God knows. Ihave> > personally been witness, and also a part of such rituals and so Iconfirm to> > these rituals.> >> > regards/Bhaskar.> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Dear Kumarji, Very true . In fact even the urban tribe are very much into this. Its very simple, when you go to a traditional Pundit for matching of horoscopes, ( which I advise very much to my own clients though they have had consultation from me to go to a local traditional pundit before they finalise a match, so that what is missing at my side can be supllemented from their side, and also because I do not wish to kick on the stomaches of the traditional pundits, of their fees) and they tell you that the girl needs to have aghata Pooja ( Pre-marriage before the actual marriage), then naturally no father would avoid this out of fear. The cost of these Poojas do not exceed rs.5000- in any case, which is a paltry amount in these times, so why not get over with this. The only difference in the urban tribes is, that they do not talk openly of such rituals lest the Bridegrroms side comes to know of this before marriage and so complication be aroused. This is just like Politicians visiting the astrologers through back doors, but not talking openly in public to avoide ridicule. regards/Bhaskar. , S kumar <kumar_8134 wrote: > > It is not uncommon for the first marriage to be made with an animal or a tree..etc. when the astrological indications are probable death of the spouse in first marriage and the subsequent ones survive!! > > The rural and tribal folk follow this practice. There was a case of a man ceremoniously married off to a bitch in the recent past, drawing criticism from various religious groups of the unholy and superstititous practices among Hindu-s. > > But, it is a fact that such marriages continue to happen and the rural folk in particular cannot be drawn away from such beliefs. > > > --- On Wed, 2/18/09, neelam gupta neelamgupta07 wrote: > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07 > Re: Re: MARRY TO A PIPAL TREE?? > > Wednesday, February 18, 2009, 11:11 AM Dear Bhaskar ji and group, > > 'Desire begets Desire' is how we describe the dynamics behind our longings, cravings, greediness and the myriad of other such aspects of desire. Wisdom tells us that desire must be identified, taken by its roots, and ultimately culled from our psyches if we are to attain ultimate " peace " and freedom in our turbulent and troubled lives. > > Our quest for fulfillment through relationships or marriage provides the most fertile ground for desires to grow. Our ego gladly hosts and sustains the desires and leaves no room in our heart for the soul to enter and illuminate our being in unconditional love. Instead, our desires take root within the heart and take expression in the form of infatuations, lust & greed. We become self-centered in our neediness and ultimately dependent and possessive, as opposed to being centered in ourselves, thus connected and self-illumined in our worth. Craving for another diminishes our spirit by creating separation and suffering, rather than unity and joy. It narrows the scope and flow of life, rather than being expansive and free; it generates a craving of the senses as it " seeks " fulfillment whereas love is an expression of the light of spirit & is the actual " experience " of fulfillment. > > To get married is a part of our social obligation and each one gets married sooner or later and those who find difficulty must be helped through guidance and remedial measures as far as possible. To err is human, so twice may be, to rectify that mistake… but we have become insatiable in our appetite for material possessions as we lust after money and material pleasures in an attempt to be more secure, happy and free. Often, we live in future time and become obsessed with feeling secure. Ironically, this very insecurity and fear render us even more insecure, possessive and miserable. And in the process, we end up being miserable and harming, both consciously & unconsciously, all of those who stand in the way of our desires being fulfilled, most of the times our partners. > > As astrologers, we should be able to trace this problem in the individual and guide him/her to the right course of life. You are very right that the problem stems from the mind as you say, > //This fickle-mindedness would not only stay here, but be carried even in the personal Life of the member in all departments, which has to be removed, and which may be one of the causes or triggers of what has been in her jindagi.// > > The problem cannot be solved by getting married 10 times, but finding peace and harmony in what one gets in life to be secure, tranquil and perhaps even enlightened. > > Sorry for a long sermon. > > Regards > Neelam > > > > 2009/2/18 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > Dear Neelamji, > > Of course the dig is allowed because the member is asking this > horrendous query in almost all the groups and I do not understand what > is the point because by now she should have understood where the problem > lies. And you are right , once , twice is enough. Whats left there to > see now. But such persons show their ficklemindedness by parading their > life story in front of thousands on all forums, instead of sticking to a > professional astrologer and going for dedicated readings and enquiry, > which should have been the proper and right recourse for he to be have > taken. This ficklemindedness would not only stay here , but be carried > even in the personal Life of the member in all departments, which has to > be removed, and which may be one of the causes or triggers of what has > been in her jindagi. > > warm wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > > , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ....> > wrote: > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > You know that was just a dig on marriage, not on any person. Just > shared > > some lighter moments on this. We have victims of so many calamities, > what > > about marital victims? > > > > I was not commenting on the ritual part or the remedial measures to > ward of > > any dosha. I am not competent to comment on that. I was just concerned > about > > the unending desires that we have. > > It is all right if a still unmarried girl is found to have a dosha and > she > > performs remedies to get married. But after two divorces... one has > seen > > all. > > > > Hope you get my point. And others too... my apologies if I've hurt > anyone. > > > > Best Regards > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/2/17 Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... > > > > > > > > My Views - > > > > > > These may differ from those of Neelamji and Gauravji, does not > matter. They > > > are both respected and each has his individual views, and so do I > have > > > mines. In our tradition, certain doshas are removed before marriage > by > > > marrying the girl to a pipala tree or a pot before actual marriage > to a boy, > > > and I do not consider them obselete or non-consequential, because > they are > > > carried down by traditions and a part of our Heritage, so it does > not matter > > > to me to pay to a Pandit a small amount of money for such rituals if > the > > > dosha is removed ( Or considered to be reomoved ). This is just like > Kala > > > sarpa Pooja for Kala sarpa dosham nivarana. I dont mind spending > personally > > > for removal of such doshas, because at least after paying few > thousand > > > rupees , unncessary suspicions are removed from ones mind and he > stays > > > comfortable that I have done what I could, and rest God knows. I > have > > > personally been witness, and also a part of such rituals and so I > confirm to > > > these rituals. > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Why go far and to rural folks, Aishwarya Rai reportedly has set an example by marrying a peepal tree in Varanasi, and then a banana tree in Bangalore. 2009/2/18 S kumar <kumar_8134 It is not uncommon for the first marriage to be made with an animal or a tree..etc. when the astrological indications are probable death of the spouse in first marriage and the subsequent ones survive!! The rural and tribal folk follow this practice. There was a case of a man ceremoniously married off to a bitch in the recent past, drawing criticism from various religious groups of the unholy and superstititous practices among Hindu-s. But, it is a fact that such marriages continue to happen and the rural folk in particular cannot be drawn away from such beliefs. --- On Wed, 2/18/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: Re: MARRY TO A PIPAL TREE?? Date: Wednesday, February 18, 2009, 11:11 AM Dear Bhaskar ji and group,'Desire begets Desire' is how we describe the dynamics behind our longings, cravings, greediness and the myriad of other such aspects of desire. Wisdom tells us that desire must be identified, taken by its roots, and ultimately culled from our psyches if we are to attain ultimate " peace " and freedom in our turbulent and troubled lives. Our quest for fulfillment through relationships or marriage provides the most fertile ground for desires to grow. Our ego gladly hosts and sustains the desires and leaves no room in our heart for the soul to enter and illuminate our being in unconditional love. Instead, our desires take root within the heart and take expression in the form of infatuations, lust & greed. We become self-centered in our neediness and ultimately dependent and possessive, as opposed to being centered in ourselves, thus connected and self-illumined in our worth. Craving for another diminishes our spirit by creating separation and suffering, rather than unity and joy. It narrows the scope and flow of life, rather than being expansive and free; it generates a craving of the senses as it " seeks " fulfillment whereas love is an expression of the light of spirit & is the actual " experience " of fulfillment. To get married is a part of our social obligation and each one gets married sooner or later and those who find difficulty must be helped through guidance and remedial measures as far as possible. To err is human, so twice may be, to rectify that mistake… but we have become insatiable in our appetite for material possessions as we lust after money and material pleasures in an attempt to be more secure, happy and free. Often, we live in future time and become obsessed with feeling secure. Ironically, this very insecurity and fear render us even more insecure, possessive and miserable. And in the process, we end up being miserable and harming, both consciously & unconsciously, all of those who stand in the way of our desires being fulfilled, most of the times our partners.As astrologers, we should be able to trace this problem in the individual and guide him/her to the right course of life. You are very right that the problem stems from the mind as you say, //This fickle-mindedness would not only stay here, but be carried even in the personal Life of the member in all departments, which has to be removed, and which may be one of the causes or triggers of what has been in her jindagi.// The problem cannot be solved by getting married 10 times, but finding peace and harmony in what one gets in life to be secure, tranquil and perhaps even enlightened.Sorry for a long sermon.RegardsNeelam 2009/2/18 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> Dear Neelamji,Of course the dig is allowed because the member is asking thishorrendous query in almost all the groups and I do not understand whatis the point because by now she should have understood where the problem lies. And you are right , once , twice is enough. Whats left there tosee now. But such persons show their ficklemindedness by parading theirlife story in front of thousands on all forums, instead of sticking to a professional astrologer and going for dedicated readings and enquiry,which should have been the proper and right recourse for he to be havetaken. This ficklemindedness would not only stay here , but be carried even in the personal Life of the member in all departments, which has tobe removed, and which may be one of the causes or triggers of what hasbeen in her jindagi.warm wishes,Bhaskar. , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>wrote:> > Dear Bhaskar ji,>> You know that was just a dig on marriage, not on any person. Justshared> some lighter moments on this. We have victims of so many calamities,what> about marital victims? >> I was not commenting on the ritual part or the remedial measures toward of> any dosha. I am not competent to comment on that. I was just concernedabout> the unending desires that we have. > It is all right if a still unmarried girl is found to have a dosha andshe> performs remedies to get married. But after two divorces... one hasseen> all.>> Hope you get my point. And others too... my apologies if I've hurt anyone.>> Best Regards> Neelam>>>>>>> 2009/2/17 Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... >> > My Views -> >> > These may differ from those of Neelamji and Gauravji, does notmatter. They> > are both respected and each has his individual views, and so do I have> > mines. In our tradition, certain doshas are removed before marriageby> > marrying the girl to a pipala tree or a pot before actual marriageto a boy,> > and I do not consider them obselete or non-consequential, because they are> > carried down by traditions and a part of our Heritage, so it doesnot matter> > to me to pay to a Pandit a small amount of money for such rituals ifthe> > dosha is removed ( Or considered to be reomoved ). This is just like Kala> > sarpa Pooja for Kala sarpa dosham nivarana. I dont mind spendingpersonally> > for removal of such doshas, because at least after paying fewthousand> > rupees , unncessary suspicions are removed from ones mind and hestays> > comfortable that I have done what I could, and rest God knows. Ihave> > personally been witness, and also a part of such rituals and so I confirm to> > these rituals.> >> > regards/Bhaskar.> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Neelam jiI would like to appreciate what you said about "desires" very true.and i have read that story of man marrying a bitch in south india.that man married because he had killed the dog while he was mating and then severe misfortune had impacted on him-infact he was paralysed and then after that a traditional tamil astrologer told him to marry a bitch to get free of the curse.and he was cured!!!!this aishwarya thing i heard first time ,but i do believe that these rituals you may say do carry value of their own and if one beleive`s in 84 lac yoni`s and 33 crore dieties and cyclical nature of soul -changing human body 7 times and then either getting moksha or entering into other lower species(considered by us) like dog which is opposite of GOD,i think these rituals do prove a point.ultimately one soul is getting married to one if we take it to atomic level.we are all carriers of souls who are here to enjoy,suffer their past.we talk about intellect,desire,philosophy,greed,mercy,forgiveness,and right and wrong but the key hole analysis has stated that almost 90% people are exactly NOT what they show themselves to be .just give them all the things to satisy their greed,lust,hunger and put them in a room and see from the key hole and their real self will be revealed.---this ofcourse was out of point -just came to my mind so i mentioned.warm regardssiddhartha saxena This mail is sent by siddhartha.neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 Sent: Wednesday, 18 February, 2009 12:05:24 PMRe: Re: MARRY TO A PIPAL TREE?? Why go far and to rural folks, Aishwarya Rai reportedly has set an example by marrying a peepal tree in Varanasi, and then a banana tree in Bangalore. 2009/2/18 S kumar <kumar_8134 > It is not uncommon for the first marriage to be made with an animal or a tree..etc. when the astrological indications are probable death of the spouse in first marriage and the subsequent ones survive!! The rural and tribal folk follow this practice. There was a case of a man ceremoniously married off to a bitch in the recent past, drawing criticism from various religious groups of the unholy and superstititous practices among Hindu-s. But, it is a fact that such marriages continue to happen and the rural folk in particular cannot be drawn away from such beliefs. --- On Wed, 2/18/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>Re: Re: MARRY TO A PIPAL TREE?? Wednesday, February 18, 2009, 11:11 AM Dear Bhaskar ji and group,'Desire begets Desire' is how we describe the dynamics behind our longings, cravings, greediness and the myriad of other such aspects of desire. Wisdom tells us that desire must be identified, taken by its roots, and ultimately culled from our psyches if we are to attain ultimate "peace" and freedom in our turbulent and troubled lives. Our quest for fulfillment through relationships or marriage provides the most fertile ground for desires to grow. Our ego gladly hosts and sustains the desires and leaves no room in our heart for the soul to enter and illuminate our being in unconditional love. Instead, our desires take root within the heart and take expression in the form of infatuations, lust & greed. We become self-centered in our neediness and ultimately dependent and possessive, as opposed to being centered in ourselves, thus connected and self-illumined in our worth. Craving for another diminishes our spirit by creating separation and suffering, rather than unity and joy. It narrows the scope and flow of life, rather than being expansive and free; it generates a craving of the senses as it "seeks" fulfillment whereas love is an expression of the light of spirit & is the actual "experience" of fulfillment. To get married is a part of our social obligation and each one gets married sooner or later and those who find difficulty must be helped through guidance and remedial measures as far as possible. To err is human, so twice may be, to rectify that mistake… but we have become insatiable in our appetite for material possessions as we lust after money and material pleasures in an attempt to be more secure, happy and free. Often, we live in future time and become obsessed with feeling secure. Ironically, this very insecurity and fear render us even more insecure, possessive and miserable. And in the process, we end up being miserable and harming, both consciously & unconsciously, all of those who stand in the way of our desires being fulfilled, most of the times our partners.As astrologers, we should be able to trace this problem in the individual and guide him/her to the right course of life. You are very right that the problem stems from the mind as you say, //This fickle-mindedness would not only stay here, but be carried even in the personal Life of the member in all departments, which has to be removed, and which may be one of the causes or triggers of what has been in her jindagi.// The problem cannot be solved by getting married 10 times, but finding peace and harmony in what one gets in life to be secure, tranquil and perhaps even enlightened.Sorry for a long sermon.RegardsNeelam 2009/2/18 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> Dear Neelamji,Of course the dig is allowed because the member is asking thishorrendous query in almost all the groups and I do not understand whatis the point because by now she should have understood where the problem lies. And you are right , once , twice is enough. Whats left there tosee now. But such persons show their ficklemindedness by parading theirlife story in front of thousands on all forums, instead of sticking to a professional astrologer and going for dedicated readings and enquiry,which should have been the proper and right recourse for he to be havetaken. This ficklemindedness would not only stay here , but be carried even in the personal Life of the member in all departments, which has tobe removed, and which may be one of the causes or triggers of what hasbeen in her jindagi.warm wishes,Bhaskar. , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>wrote:> > Dear Bhaskar ji,>> You know that was just a dig on marriage, not on any person. Justshared> some lighter moments on this. We have victims of so many calamities,what> about marital victims? >> I was not commenting on the ritual part or the remedial measures toward of> any dosha. I am not competent to comment on that. I was just concernedabout> the unending desires that we have. > It is all right if a still unmarried girl is found to have a dosha andshe> performs remedies to get married. But after two divorces... one hasseen> all.>> Hope you get my point. And others too... my apologies if I've hurt anyone.>> Best Regards> Neelam>>>>>>> 2009/2/17 Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... >> > My Views -> >> > These may differ from those of Neelamji and Gauravji, does notmatter. They> > are both respected and each has his individual views, and so do I have> > mines.. In our tradition, certain doshas are removed before marriageby> > marrying the girl to a pipala tree or a pot before actual marriageto a boy,> > and I do not consider them obselete or non-consequential, because they are> > carried down by traditions and a part of our Heritage, so it doesnot matter> > to me to pay to a Pandit a small amount of money for such rituals ifthe> > dosha is removed ( Or considered to be reomoved ). This is just like Kala> > sarpa Pooja for Kala sarpa dosham nivarana. I dont mind spendingpersonally> > for removal of such doshas, because at least after paying fewthousand> > rupees , unncessary suspicions are removed from ones mind and hestays> > comfortable that I have done what I could, and rest God knows. Ihave> > personally been witness, and also a part of such rituals and so I confirm to> > these rituals.> >> > regards/Bhaskar.> >> >> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Dear Rashmi, It has come to my notice that you have done a cross posting of this thread in the Jyotish remedies Group. Please note that, this is not a good trend, not favoured by us and neither encouraged. We request you to avoid this in future. regards, Bhaskar. , rashmi patel <rashmihpatel wrote:>> Respected guruji,> > My niece had two times divorce & some panditji told her that now she had to marry to pipal tree because then & then only you would be consider 4th marriage as succusfull marriage > IS THIS TRUE??> SHE SHOULD GET MARRY TO A PIPAL TREE?> PLEASE EXPLAIN ME THIS WHETHER TO BELIVE IT OR NOT?> HAD ANY ONE HEARD THIS BEFORE TO MARRY PIPAL TREE ON YOURS THIRD MARRIAGE.PLEASE LET ME KNOW OK> thanks> rashmi> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Dear Rashmi JI and Gaurav Ji Jaya Siya Raam I am not an astrologer, but what we have been hearing through some astrologers, I write it here-- You know in some people's chart the first marriage is not successful (I don't about that 2nd and 3rd and 4th too). This is considered as a Dosh in marriage, SO instead of marrying someone and hurting the other partner, maybe by divorce or death or anything else, the person is married to an inanimate object as an alternative to the first marriage. Since his or her first marriage is already performed, he or she is free to marry second time, and since since Dosh existed only in his or her first marriage, that Dosh is already gone. Now this first marriage may be performed with a Peepal tree, or a pot of water as Bhaskar Ji said, or even to Bhagavaan (as Aishwarya Rai's marriage was performed). There is no harm in this if such Dosh is identified rather it helps. With regards Sushma , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > My Views - > > These may differ from those of Neelamji and Gauravji, does not matter. > They are both respected and each has his individual views, and so do I > have mines. In our tradition, certain doshas are removed before marriage > by marrying the girl to a pipala tree or a pot before actual marriage to > a boy, and I do not consider them obselete or non-consequential, because > they are carried down by traditions and a part of our Heritage, so it > does not matter to me to pay to a Pandit a small amount of money for > such rituals if the dosha is removed ( Or considered to be reomoved ). > This is just like Kala sarpa Pooja for Kala sarpa dosham nivarana. I > dont mind spending personally for removal of such doshas, because at > least after paying few thousand rupees , unncessary suspicions are > removed from ones mind and he stays comfortable that I have done what I > could, and rest God knows. I have personally been witness, and also a > part of such rituals and so I confirm to these rituals. > > regards/Bhaskar. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Dear Neelam Ji Jaya Siyaa Raam I am sorry to differ you in this regard that a girl who has seen two divorces " has seen all " . I do not know about that girl that how and in which circumstances that girl was divirced but it is not necessary that she has seen all. And even if she has seen all, and she is still young, means of 30-40 years of age, she must get married if she can. Loneliness which comes with maturity itself is disease. I am not saying that she must get married and divorce again, but if she can marry and live with somebody, it is always better for physical and mental health. With regards Sushma , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > You know that was just a dig on marriage, not on any person. Just shared > some lighter moments on this. We have victims of so many calamities, what > about marital victims? > > I was not commenting on the ritual part or the remedial measures to ward of > any dosha. I am not competent to comment on that. I was just concerned about > the unending desires that we have. > It is all right if a still unmarried girl is found to have a dosha and she > performs remedies to get married. But after two divorces... one has seen > all. > > Hope you get my point. And others too... my apologies if I've hurt anyone. > > Best Regards > Neelam 2009/2/17 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish > > > My Views - > > > > These may differ from those of Neelamji and Gauravji, does not matter. They > > are both respected and each has his individual views, and so do I have > > mines. In our tradition, certain doshas are removed before marriage by > > marrying the girl to a pipala tree or a pot before actual marriage to a boy, > > and I do not consider them obselete or non-consequential, because they are > > carried down by traditions and a part of our Heritage, so it does not matter > > to me to pay to a Pandit a small amount of money for such rituals if the > > dosha is removed ( Or considered to be reomoved ). This is just like Kala > > sarpa Pooja for Kala sarpa dosham nivarana. I dont mind spending personally > > for removal of such doshas, because at least after paying few thousand > > rupees , unncessary suspicions are removed from ones mind and he stays > > comfortable that I have done what I could, and rest God knows. I have > > personally been witness, and also a part of such rituals and so I confirm to > > these rituals. > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 // Now this first marriage may be performed with a Peepal tree, or a pot of water as Bhaskar Ji said, or even to Bhagavaan (as Aishwarya Rai's marriage was performed). // The pot of water in such rituals is taken as to be the embodiment of Lord Vishnu with whom the pallu is tied in the wedding ceremony, after which the pot of water is left in some sacred river to merge with the water already exisiting there. regards/Bhaskar. , " bhagvatjee " <bhagvatjee wrote: > > Dear Rashmi JI and Gaurav Ji > Jaya Siya Raam > I am not an astrologer, but what we have been hearing through some > astrologers, I write it here-- > > You know in some people's chart the first marriage is not successful > (I don't about that 2nd and 3rd and 4th too). This is considered as a > Dosh in marriage, SO instead of marrying someone and hurting the > other partner, maybe by divorce or death or anything else, the person > is married to an inanimate object as an alternative to the first > marriage. > > Since his or her first marriage is already performed, he or she is > free to marry second time, and since since Dosh existed only in his > or her first marriage, that Dosh is already gone. > > Now this first marriage may be performed with a Peepal tree, or a pot > of water as Bhaskar Ji said, or even to Bhagavaan (as Aishwarya Rai's > marriage was performed). > > There is no harm in this if such Dosh is identified rather it helps. > With regards > Sushma > > , " Bhaskar " bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > My Views - > > > > These may differ from those of Neelamji and Gauravji, does not > matter. > > They are both respected and each has his individual views, and so > do I > > have mines. In our tradition, certain doshas are removed before > marriage > > by marrying the girl to a pipala tree or a pot before actual > marriage to > > a boy, and I do not consider them obselete or non-consequential, > because > > they are carried down by traditions and a part of our Heritage, so > it > > does not matter to me to pay to a Pandit a small amount of money for > > such rituals if the dosha is removed ( Or considered to be > reomoved ). > > This is just like Kala sarpa Pooja for Kala sarpa dosham nivarana. I > > dont mind spending personally for removal of such doshas, because at > > least after paying few thousand rupees , unncessary suspicions are > > removed from ones mind and he stays comfortable that I have done > what I > > could, and rest God knows. I have personally been witness, and also > a > > part of such rituals and so I confirm to these rituals. > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Respected guru ji, You are right she is my niece & I had seen her getting emotional on marriages & this time she had found which he also been divorce 2 times & both of thems 2nd marriage was identically same cause of divorce & since both are scared of getting marring 3rd time they are v concern, conservative,thinking deep, asking family members,pundits in london & ready to do religious things told by panditjis [poojas, sloaks, fasting,wearing gems all] I think we as a normal person who had not suffered from divorce can think like what neelamji thinks that she had seen all & why she would go for 3rd time but she is only 34 young beautifull very sensible girl,supporting her self also she dont like to hang arround with any hanky panky person like that since you she is young & alone that some guys can come & take advantage of her & she some times feels out in world there are bad intational people in our on society you know what i mean,she feel she really needs partner & be succesfull in marriage & built her own family as she loves kids & she says she wish she would have kid of her own to complet her as women so this time regarless she at 34 would try for kid right away with out awaiting how her marriage is going to be? She being staying in london seen lots of single girls going in wrong ways & she hates that in her life to even think she thinks its differnt story my marriage didnt work but religiously she was with her husband not changing man in her life like bad girls, she as women & more cultural,religious wanted to live right life not where some one is going to point her fingure. so please tell whats wrong of her thinking of marrying 3rd time? we as family all support her dicesion to she her happy & we will for sure because we know her very well. thanks rashmi bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 8:14:32 AM Re: MARRY TO A PIPAL TREE?? Dear Neelam JiJaya Siyaa RaamI am sorry to differ you in this regard that a girl who has seen two divorces "has seen all". I do not know about that girl that how and in which circumstances that girl was divirced but it is not necessary that she has seen all.And even if she has seen all, and she is still young, means of 30-40 years of age, she must get married if she can. Loneliness which comes with maturity itself is disease. I am not saying that she must get married and divorce again, but if she can marry and live with somebody, it is always better for physical and mental health.With regardsSushma, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar ji,> > You know that was just a dig on marriage, not on any person. Just shared> some lighter moments on this. We have victims of so many calamities, what> about marital victims?> > I was not commenting on the ritual part or the remedial measures to ward of> any dosha. I am not competent to comment on that. I was just concerned about> the unending desires that we have.> It is all right if a still unmarried girl is found to have a dosha and she> performs remedies to get married. But after two divorces... one has seen> all.> > Hope you get my point. And others too... my apologies if I've hurt anyone.> > Best Regards> Neelam> > > > > > > 2009/2/17 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...>> > > My Views -> >> > These may differ from those of Neelamji and Gauravji, does not matter. They> > are both respected and each has his individual views, and so do I have> > mines. In our tradition, certain doshas are removed before marriage by> > marrying the girl to a pipala tree or a pot before actual marriage to a boy,> > and I do not consider them obselete or non-consequential, because they are> > carried down by traditions and a part of our Heritage, so it does not matter> > to me to pay to a Pandit a small amount of money for such rituals if the> > dosha is removed ( Or considered to be reomoved ). This is just like Kala> > sarpa Pooja for Kala sarpa dosham nivarana. I dont mind spending personally> > for removal of such doshas, because at least after paying few thousand> > rupees , unncessary suspicions are removed from ones mind and he stays> > comfortable that I have done what I could, and rest God knows. I have> > personally been witness, and also a part of such rituals and so I confirm to> > these rituals.> >> > regards/Bhaskar.> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 DEAR RASHMIJI, Let us be true to the issue and not unnecessary create a "problem in others" when the problem is with "ones own self ". Anybody when told about any girl that she is looking for a 3rd marriage would laugh at the girl and consider her only as having problems rather than the husbands she has left. Nobody in his right senses would want to marry the girl who has got 2 Divorces already. Of course this does not mean that we dont have sypmathy for the girl, or that she is not entitled to live a happy married Life. We have sympathies for her. But this is for sure, that the girl would herself have problems either in her persona, personality which of course must be reflected in her Birth Chart, which have to be rectified to thelimits allowed by her destiny, rather than just keep on marrying and divorcing at the drop of a hat. When Neelamji says that she has " seen it all ", then what wrong has she said I am unable to fathom, because she has seen two husbands, seen married Life multiplied x 2, seen 2 heart breaks, had physical union with 2 different bodies as husband, now looking for a third union in a possible suitable suitor, so HAS SHE NOT SEEN ALL ? or do you mean only those with happy married Lves have seen all ? Then you will find that 99% of the world has not seen anything at all, for this 99% constitues only unhappy mariages. What is truth, let us say it, instead of defending something which is not truth. Hope you get my point. Instead of defending the girl, try setting the things right in her case, and rectify the grey areas in her chart, to the extent allowed by her destiny, and do not try fooling around with she is this, he is that, and the other writer is this or that. Sorry, but I talk straight. Bhaskar. , rashmi patel <rashmihpatel wrote:>> Respected guru ji,> You are right she is my niece & I had seen her getting emotional on marriages & this time she had found which he also been divorce 2 times & both of thems 2nd marriage was identically same cause of divorce & since both are scared of getting marring 3rd time they are v concern, conservative,thinking deep, asking family members,pundits in london & ready to do religious things told by panditjis [poojas, sloaks, fasting,wearing gems all]> I think we as a normal person who had not suffered from divorce can think like what neelamji thinks that she had seen all & why she would go for 3rd time but she is only 34 young beautifull very sensible girl,supporting her self > also she dont like to hang arround with any hanky panky person like that since you she is young & alone that some guys can come & take advantage of her & she some times feels out in world there are bad intational people in our on society you know what i mean,she feel she really needs partner & be succesfull in marriage & built her own family> as she loves kids & she says she wish she would have kid of her own to complet her as women so this time regarless she at 34 would try for kid right away with out awaiting how her marriage is going to be?> She being staying in london seen lots of single girls going in wrong ways & she hates that in her life to even think> she thinks its differnt story my marriage didnt work but religiously she was with her husband not changing man in her life like bad girls, she as women & more cultural,religious wanted to live right life not where some one is going to point her fingure. so please tell whats wrong of her thinking of marrying 3rd time? we as family all support her dicesion to she her happy & we will for sure because we know her very well.> thanks> rashmi> > > > > ________________________________> bhagvatjee bhagvatjee > Wednesday, February 18, 2009 8:14:32 AM> Re: MARRY TO A PIPAL TREE??> > > Dear Neelam Ji> Jaya Siyaa Raam> I am sorry to differ you in this regard that a girl who has seen two > divorces "has seen all". I do not know about that girl that how and > in which circumstances that girl was divirced but it is not necessary > that she has seen all.> > And even if she has seen all, and she is still young, means of 30-40 > years of age, she must get married if she can. Loneliness which comes > with maturity itself is disease. I am not saying that she must get > married and divorce again, but if she can marry and live with > somebody, it is always better for physical and mental health.> > With regards> Sushma> > , neelam gupta > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > You know that was just a dig on marriage, not on any person. Just > shared> > some lighter moments on this. We have victims of so many > calamities, what> > about marital victims?> > > > I was not commenting on the ritual part or the remedial measures to > ward of> > any dosha. I am not competent to comment on that. I was just > concerned about> > the unending desires that we have.> > It is all right if a still unmarried girl is found to have a dosha > and she> > performs remedies to get married. But after two divorces... one has > seen> > all.> > > > Hope you get my point. And others too... my apologies if I've hurt > anyone.> > > > Best Regards> > Neelam> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/2/17 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...>> > > > > My Views -> > >> > > These may differ from those of Neelamji and Gauravji, does not > matter. They> > > are both respected and each has his individual views, and so do I > have> > > mines. In our tradition, certain doshas are removed before > marriage by> > > marrying the girl to a pipala tree or a pot before actual > marriage to a boy,> > > and I do not consider them obselete or non-consequential, because > they are> > > carried down by traditions and a part of our Heritage, so it does > not matter> > > to me to pay to a Pandit a small amount of money for such rituals > if the> > > dosha is removed ( Or considered to be reomoved ). This is just > like Kala> > > sarpa Pooja for Kala sarpa dosham nivarana. I dont mind spending > personally> > > for removal of such doshas, because at least after paying few > thousand> > > rupees , unncessary suspicions are removed from ones mind and he > stays> > > comfortable that I have done what I could, and rest God knows. I > have> > > personally been witness, and also a part of such rituals and so I > confirm to> > > these rituals.> > >> > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Dear Sushma ji,It is all right to differ with me, as many would not be able to digest what I say. And I am not here to sermonise. Marriage is not the only thing in life that we are here to suffer or enjoy. It does have a purpose, like other just like other life processes, but beyond that one has to work only on one's own soul through both internal and external mechanisms. If you think two 'mature people' basking in their past glory, and missing their children together is what kills loneliness and saves people from getting a disease, then I am sorry, I beg to differ. //Loneliness which comes with maturity itself is disease.//In my opinion this is a very wrong sentence. Loneliness can never come with maturity (may be you wanted to say old age?). Perhaps you, or most of us are confused between 'loneliness'' and 'being alone'. Please feel free to have your own ideas.RegardsNeelam2009/2/18 bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee Dear Neelam Ji Jaya Siyaa Raam I am sorry to differ you in this regard that a girl who has seen two divorces " has seen all " . I do not know about that girl that how and in which circumstances that girl was divirced but it is not necessary that she has seen all. And even if she has seen all, and she is still young, means of 30-40 years of age, she must get married if she can. Loneliness which comes with maturity itself is disease. I am not saying that she must get married and divorce again, but if she can marry and live with somebody, it is always better for physical and mental health. With regards Sushma , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > You know that was just a dig on marriage, not on any person. Just shared > some lighter moments on this. We have victims of so many calamities, what > about marital victims? > > I was not commenting on the ritual part or the remedial measures to ward of > any dosha. I am not competent to comment on that. I was just concerned about > the unending desires that we have. > It is all right if a still unmarried girl is found to have a dosha and she > performs remedies to get married. But after two divorces... one has seen > all. > > Hope you get my point. And others too... my apologies if I've hurt anyone. > > Best Regards > Neelam > > > > > > > 2009/2/17 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish > > > My Views - > > > > These may differ from those of Neelamji and Gauravji, does not matter. They > > are both respected and each has his individual views, and so do I have > > mines. In our tradition, certain doshas are removed before marriage by > > marrying the girl to a pipala tree or a pot before actual marriage to a boy, > > and I do not consider them obselete or non-consequential, because they are > > carried down by traditions and a part of our Heritage, so it does not matter > > to me to pay to a Pandit a small amount of money for such rituals if the > > dosha is removed ( Or considered to be reomoved ). This is just like Kala > > sarpa Pooja for Kala sarpa dosham nivarana. I dont mind spending personally > > for removal of such doshas, because at least after paying few thousand > > rupees , unncessary suspicions are removed from ones mind and he stays > > comfortable that I have done what I could, and rest God knows. I have > > personally been witness, and also a part of such rituals and so I confirm to > > these rituals. > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Dear Bhaskar ji,If I am not mistaken, such remedies as marrying a pipal or a banana tree, or a kalash, etc. were to ward off the Vaidhavya Yoga. This is something over which a individual has no control. Remedies were sought when along with vaidhavya yog a remarriage yog is there. A modern day divorce is a completely different phenomenon. It is a manifestation of our own low tolerance, narrow mindedness and rigid approach which I find surfacing more and more these days. How can such a problem be cured by those remedies. At the most, it can be compared to a kind of Mangal dosha for which a proper mactching may save the marriage. But even the dsh samya that we do does not make a marriage free from disputes. It only makes sure that both are equally competent to fight. If one has a reebock to hit, the other one makes sure he has at least an adidas. Par joote to maarenge hi ek doosre ko. The only solution is not to look east or west, but within, and see where we can take corrective measures to have a happy life.RegardsNeelam2009/2/18 neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 Dear Sushma ji,It is all right to differ with me, as many would not be able to digest what I say. And I am not here to sermonise. Marriage is not the only thing in life that we are here to suffer or enjoy. It does have a purpose, like other just like other life processes, but beyond that one has to work only on one's own soul through both internal and external mechanisms. If you think two 'mature people' basking in their past glory, and missing their children together is what kills loneliness and saves people from getting a disease, then I am sorry, I beg to differ. //Loneliness which comes with maturity itself is disease.//In my opinion this is a very wrong sentence. Loneliness can never come with maturity (may be you wanted to say old age?). Perhaps you, or most of us are confused between 'loneliness'' and 'being alone'. Please feel free to have your own ideas.RegardsNeelam2009/2/18 bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee Dear Neelam Ji Jaya Siyaa Raam I am sorry to differ you in this regard that a girl who has seen two divorces " has seen all " . I do not know about that girl that how and in which circumstances that girl was divirced but it is not necessary that she has seen all. And even if she has seen all, and she is still young, means of 30-40 years of age, she must get married if she can. Loneliness which comes with maturity itself is disease. I am not saying that she must get married and divorce again, but if she can marry and live with somebody, it is always better for physical and mental health. With regards Sushma , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > You know that was just a dig on marriage, not on any person. Just shared > some lighter moments on this. We have victims of so many calamities, what > about marital victims? > > I was not commenting on the ritual part or the remedial measures to ward of > any dosha. I am not competent to comment on that. I was just concerned about > the unending desires that we have. > It is all right if a still unmarried girl is found to have a dosha and she > performs remedies to get married. But after two divorces... one has seen > all. > > Hope you get my point. And others too... my apologies if I've hurt anyone. > > Best Regards > Neelam > > > > > > > 2009/2/17 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish > > > My Views - > > > > These may differ from those of Neelamji and Gauravji, does not matter. They > > are both respected and each has his individual views, and so do I have > > mines. In our tradition, certain doshas are removed before marriage by > > marrying the girl to a pipala tree or a pot before actual marriage to a boy, > > and I do not consider them obselete or non-consequential, because they are > > carried down by traditions and a part of our Heritage, so it does not matter > > to me to pay to a Pandit a small amount of money for such rituals if the > > dosha is removed ( Or considered to be reomoved ). This is just like Kala > > sarpa Pooja for Kala sarpa dosham nivarana. I dont mind spending personally > > for removal of such doshas, because at least after paying few thousand > > rupees , unncessary suspicions are removed from ones mind and he stays > > comfortable that I have done what I could, and rest God knows. I have > > personally been witness, and also a part of such rituals and so I confirm to > > these rituals. > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Dear Neelam ji, Yes I agree in toto with your views on this. The person has to go within and tie up the loose threads which are showing the skins . regards/bhaskar. , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > If I am not mistaken, such remedies as marrying a pipal or a banana tree, or > a kalash, etc. were to ward off the Vaidhavya Yoga. This is something over > which a individual has no control. Remedies were sought when along with > vaidhavya yog a remarriage yog is there. > > A modern day divorce is a completely different phenomenon. It is a > manifestation of our own low tolerance, narrow mindedness and rigid approach > which I find surfacing more and more these days. How can such a problem be > cured by those remedies. At the most, it can be compared to a kind of Mangal > dosha for which a proper mactching may save the marriage. But even the dsh > samya that we do does not make a marriage free from disputes. It only makes > sure that both are equally competent to fight. If one has a reebock to hit, > the other one makes sure he has at least an adidas. Par joote to maarenge hi > ek doosre ko. > > The only solution is not to look east or west, but within, and see where we > can take corrective measures to have a happy life. > > Regards > Neelam > > > > 2009/2/18 neelam gupta neelamgupta07 > > > Dear Sushma ji, > > > > It is all right to differ with me, as many would not be able to digest what > > I say. And I am not here to sermonise. Marriage is not the only thing in > > life that we are here to suffer or enjoy. It does have a purpose, like other > > just like other life processes, but beyond that one has to work only on > > one's own soul through both internal and external mechanisms. If you think > > two *'mature people*' basking in their past glory, and missing their > > children together is what kills loneliness and saves people from getting a > > disease, then I am sorry, I beg to differ. > > > > //Loneliness which comes with maturity itself is disease.// > > In my opinion this is a very wrong sentence. Loneliness can never come with > > maturity (may be you wanted to say old age?). Perhaps you, or most of us are > > confused between 'loneliness'' and 'being alone'. > > > > Please feel free to have your own ideas. > > > > Regards > > Neelam > > > > > > > > 2009/2/18 bhagvatjee bhagvatjee > > > > Dear Neelam Ji > >> Jaya Siyaa Raam > >> I am sorry to differ you in this regard that a girl who has seen two > >> divorces " has seen all " . I do not know about that girl that how and > >> in which circumstances that girl was divirced but it is not necessary > >> that she has seen all. > >> > >> And even if she has seen all, and she is still young, means of 30-40 > >> years of age, she must get married if she can. Loneliness which comes > >> with maturity itself is disease. I am not saying that she must get > >> married and divorce again, but if she can marry and live with > >> somebody, it is always better for physical and mental health. > >> > >> With regards > >> Sushma > >> > >> <%40>, > >> neelam gupta > >> neelamgupta07@ wrote: > >> > > >> > Dear Bhaskar ji, > >> > > >> > You know that was just a dig on marriage, not on any person. Just > >> shared > >> > some lighter moments on this. We have victims of so many > >> calamities, what > >> > about marital victims? > >> > > >> > I was not commenting on the ritual part or the remedial measures to > >> ward of > >> > any dosha. I am not competent to comment on that. I was just > >> concerned about > >> > the unending desires that we have. > >> > It is all right if a still unmarried girl is found to have a dosha > >> and she > >> > performs remedies to get married. But after two divorces... one has > >> seen > >> > all. > >> > > >> > Hope you get my point. And others too... my apologies if I've hurt > >> anyone. > >> > > >> > Best Regards > >> > Neelam > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > 2009/2/17 Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ > >> > >> > > >> > > My Views - > >> > > > >> > > These may differ from those of Neelamji and Gauravji, does not > >> matter. They > >> > > are both respected and each has his individual views, and so do I > >> have > >> > > mines. In our tradition, certain doshas are removed before > >> marriage by > >> > > marrying the girl to a pipala tree or a pot before actual > >> marriage to a boy, > >> > > and I do not consider them obselete or non-consequential, because > >> they are > >> > > carried down by traditions and a part of our Heritage, so it does > >> not matter > >> > > to me to pay to a Pandit a small amount of money for such rituals > >> if the > >> > > dosha is removed ( Or considered to be reomoved ). This is just > >> like Kala > >> > > sarpa Pooja for Kala sarpa dosham nivarana. I dont mind spending > >> personally > >> > > for removal of such doshas, because at least after paying few > >> thousand > >> > > rupees , unncessary suspicions are removed from ones mind and he > >> stays > >> > > comfortable that I have done what I could, and rest God knows. I > >> have > >> > > personally been witness, and also a part of such rituals and so I > >> confirm to > >> > > these rituals. > >> > > > >> > > regards/Bhaskar. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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