Guest guest Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 Respected Baskerjee and All May be I am asking this question due to my ignorance. Most of the people are of the opinion that studying astrology from books is not going to serve the purpose. One should first go to a Guru to learn astrology to become an astrologer and the books will only guide you for the rest. Secondly one should get sidhi for a correct prediction and getting sidhi to a normal person is very difficult as most of the time is to be spent on sadhana . If this is right, only sadhu /sanyasi and Brahmins priest can spend time on it. How person like me can learn astrology and make prediction. What is the difference between prediction, on the basis horoscope and presna sasthra ? Prakash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 ||Jai Ramakrishna|| Dear Sir, Yes, you are correct regarding having a guru for learning any subject--be it our schoolbooks or astrology. Even for the right spiritual path, one needs a Guru. If we break the word guru, it comes to " Gu " & " Ru " . " Guru " means one who can illuminate you from all your doubts & confusions. This is the reason for a " Guru " . Again, comes the question of the " right guru " . The Guru should be potent/capable enough to teach his disciple or " Shishya " . I recollect a story which Shri Ramakrishna often used to tell about different types of Guru. One is the right guru, who is like a cobra---will kill the frog in 2-3 bites( & give relief to the Shishya), while the wrong one, tries to kill..with endless bites.... & at the end of the day both the snake & the frog suffers. Guru should always be without any confusion, & his action will speak about himself than his words. However, books can help, provided you have god's grace & you are reading the right book. There are endless books in the market---mostly being astro-cookbooks & the authors have no responsibility once the book is sold in the market & some of the principles in those books will lead you to disastrous failures.However, we should never forget Eklavya, the character of Mahabharata, who considered Acharya Drona as his Guru & practised archery in front of his Guru's Idol. There are many types of " Siddhi " . Some for religios reasons, some for astrological reasons, generally siddhis of kshudra devata etc. Since I have my own reservations regarding Siddhis, Well, Prasna reading has its limitations, for a period of +/- 1.5 to 2 yrs timeline, prasna cannot supercede the promises of the natal chart. Prasna helps in understanding the present situation, previous situation & the future situation, but in that time span only.While natal chart is for lifetime, combining with the transits. Prasna helps in giving answers like lost articles, lost/missing persons, diseases & well being, marriage, etc. I hope I covered all the topics you addressed. Thank you, . , " prakashcp2003 " <prakashcp2003 wrote: > > > Respected Baskerjee and All > > May be I am asking this question due to my ignorance. > > Most of the people are of the opinion that studying astrology from > books is not going to serve the purpose. One should first go to a > Guru to learn astrology to become an astrologer and the books will > only guide you for the rest. > > Secondly one should get sidhi for a correct prediction and getting > sidhi to a normal person is very difficult as most of the time is to > be spent on sadhana . If this is right, only sadhu /sanyasi and > Brahmins priest can spend time on it. How person like me can learn > astrology and make prediction. > > What is the difference between prediction, on the basis horoscope > and presna sasthra ? > > Prakash > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 Dear Gaurav, Its nice to see you back after your break, and I am really happy to have you here. regards/Bhaskar. , "" <gaurav.ghosh wrote:>> ||Jai Ramakrishna||> Dear Sir,> Yes, you are correct regarding having a guru for learning any> subject--be it our schoolbooks or astrology. Even for the right> spiritual path, one needs a Guru.> If we break the word guru, it comes to "Gu" & "Ru". "Guru" means one> who can illuminate you from all your doubts & confusions. This is the> reason for a "Guru". Again, comes the question of the "right guru". > The Guru should be potent/capable enough to teach his disciple or> "Shishya". I recollect a story which Shri Ramakrishna often used to> tell about different types of Guru. One is the right guru, who is like> a cobra---will kill the frog in 2-3 bites( & give relief to the> Shishya), while the wrong one, tries to kill..with endless bites.... & > at the end of the day both the snake & the frog suffers.> Guru should always be without any confusion, & his action will speak> about himself than his words.> However, books can help, provided you have god's grace & you are> reading the right book. There are endless books in the market---mostly> being astro-cookbooks & the authors have no responsibility once the> book is sold in the market & some of the principles in those books> will lead you to disastrous failures.However, we should never forget> Eklavya, the character of Mahabharata, who considered Acharya Drona as> his Guru & practised archery in front of his Guru's Idol.> > There are many types of "Siddhi". Some for religios reasons, some for> astrological reasons, generally siddhis of kshudra devata etc. Since I> have my own reservations regarding Siddhis, > > Well, Prasna reading has its limitations, for a period of +/- 1.5 to 2> yrs timeline, prasna cannot supercede the promises of the natal chart.> Prasna helps in understanding the present situation, previous> situation & the future situation, but in that time span only.While> natal chart is for lifetime, combining with the transits. Prasna helps> in giving answers like lost articles, lost/missing persons, diseases & > well being, marriage, etc.> I hope I covered all the topics you addressed.> Thank you,> .> > , "prakashcp2003"> prakashcp2003@ wrote:> >> > > > Respected Baskerjee and All> > > > May be I am asking this question due to my ignorance. > > > > Most of the people are of the opinion that studying astrology from > > books is not going to serve the purpose. One should first go to a > > Guru to learn astrology to become an astrologer and the books will > > only guide you for the rest.> > > > Secondly one should get sidhi for a correct prediction and getting > > sidhi to a normal person is very difficult as most of the time is to > > be spent on sadhana . If this is right, only sadhu /sanyasi and > > Brahmins priest can spend time on it. How person like me can learn > > astrology and make prediction.> > > > What is the difference between prediction, on the basis horoscope > > and presna sasthra ? > > > > Prakash> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 ||Jai Ramakrishna|| Dear Bhaskarji, Yes Bhaskarji, I was out of Kolkata for job quest. May be back in full rage for sometime ...but you all are great in this subject....I am like small " anchovy " in pacific ocean of astrology, while you all are like whales & sharks.. ... Thank you, Gaurav. , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Dear Gaurav, > > Its nice to see you back after your break, and I am really happy to have > you here. > > regards/Bhaskar. > > , " " <gaurav.ghosh@> > wrote: > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > > Dear Sir, > > Yes, you are correct regarding having a guru for learning any > > subject--be it our schoolbooks or astrology. Even for the right > > spiritual path, one needs a Guru. > > If we break the word guru, it comes to " Gu " & " Ru " . " Guru " means one > > who can illuminate you from all your doubts & confusions. This is the > > reason for a " Guru " . Again, comes the question of the " right guru " . > > The Guru should be potent/capable enough to teach his disciple or > > " Shishya " . I recollect a story which Shri Ramakrishna often used to > > tell about different types of Guru. One is the right guru, who is like > > a cobra---will kill the frog in 2-3 bites( & give relief to the > > Shishya), while the wrong one, tries to kill..with endless bites.... & > > at the end of the day both the snake & the frog suffers. > > Guru should always be without any confusion, & his action will speak > > about himself than his words. > > However, books can help, provided you have god's grace & you are > > reading the right book. There are endless books in the market---mostly > > being astro-cookbooks & the authors have no responsibility once the > > book is sold in the market & some of the principles in those books > > will lead you to disastrous failures.However, we should never forget > > Eklavya, the character of Mahabharata, who considered Acharya Drona as > > his Guru & practised archery in front of his Guru's Idol. > > > > There are many types of " Siddhi " . Some for religios reasons, some for > > astrological reasons, generally siddhis of kshudra devata etc. Since I > > have my own reservations regarding Siddhis, > > > > Well, Prasna reading has its limitations, for a period of +/- 1.5 to 2 > > yrs timeline, prasna cannot supercede the promises of the natal chart. > > Prasna helps in understanding the present situation, previous > > situation & the future situation, but in that time span only.While > > natal chart is for lifetime, combining with the transits. Prasna helps > > in giving answers like lost articles, lost/missing persons, diseases & > > well being, marriage, etc. > > I hope I covered all the topics you addressed. > > Thank you, > > . > > > > , " prakashcp2003 " > > prakashcp2003@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Respected Baskerjee and All > > > > > > May be I am asking this question due to my ignorance. > > > > > > Most of the people are of the opinion that studying astrology from > > > books is not going to serve the purpose. One should first go to a > > > Guru to learn astrology to become an astrologer and the books will > > > only guide you for the rest. > > > > > > Secondly one should get sidhi for a correct prediction and getting > > > sidhi to a normal person is very difficult as most of the time is to > > > be spent on sadhana . If this is right, only sadhu /sanyasi and > > > Brahmins priest can spend time on it. How person like me can learn > > > astrology and make prediction. > > > > > > What is the difference between prediction, on the basis horoscope > > > and presna sasthra ? > > > > > > Prakash > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 Gaurav bete, Hum toh bujhte hue diye hain is shaam ke, aur tum kal ke chamakte hue sitaare ho. One day, God willing you will be great, and greater than most of us, so continue with your good work and studies unrelentlessly. best wishes, Bhaskar. , " " <gaurav.ghosh wrote: > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > Dear Bhaskarji, > Yes Bhaskarji, I was out of Kolkata for job quest. > May be back in full rage for sometime ...but you all are great in > this subject....I am like small " anchovy " in pacific ocean of > astrology, while you all are like whales & sharks.. ... > Thank you, > Gaurav. > > > , " Bhaskar " bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Gaurav, > > > > Its nice to see you back after your break, and I am really happy to have > > you here. > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " " <gaurav.ghosh@> > > wrote: > > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > > > Dear Sir, > > > Yes, you are correct regarding having a guru for learning any > > > subject--be it our schoolbooks or astrology. Even for the right > > > spiritual path, one needs a Guru. > > > If we break the word guru, it comes to " Gu " & " Ru " . " Guru " means one > > > who can illuminate you from all your doubts & confusions. This is the > > > reason for a " Guru " . Again, comes the question of the " right guru " . > > > The Guru should be potent/capable enough to teach his disciple or > > > " Shishya " . I recollect a story which Shri Ramakrishna often used to > > > tell about different types of Guru. One is the right guru, who is like > > > a cobra---will kill the frog in 2-3 bites( & give relief to the > > > Shishya), while the wrong one, tries to kill..with endless bites.... & > > > at the end of the day both the snake & the frog suffers. > > > Guru should always be without any confusion, & his action will speak > > > about himself than his words. > > > However, books can help, provided you have god's grace & you are > > > reading the right book. There are endless books in the market---mostly > > > being astro-cookbooks & the authors have no responsibility once the > > > book is sold in the market & some of the principles in those books > > > will lead you to disastrous failures.However, we should never forget > > > Eklavya, the character of Mahabharata, who considered Acharya Drona as > > > his Guru & practised archery in front of his Guru's Idol. > > > > > > There are many types of " Siddhi " . Some for religios reasons, some for > > > astrological reasons, generally siddhis of kshudra devata etc. Since I > > > have my own reservations regarding Siddhis, > > > > > > Well, Prasna reading has its limitations, for a period of +/- 1.5 to 2 > > > yrs timeline, prasna cannot supercede the promises of the natal chart. > > > Prasna helps in understanding the present situation, previous > > > situation & the future situation, but in that time span only.While > > > natal chart is for lifetime, combining with the transits. Prasna helps > > > in giving answers like lost articles, lost/missing persons, diseases & > > > well being, marriage, etc. > > > I hope I covered all the topics you addressed. > > > Thank you, > > > . > > > > > > , " prakashcp2003 " > > > prakashcp2003@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Baskerjee and All > > > > > > > > May be I am asking this question due to my ignorance. > > > > > > > > Most of the people are of the opinion that studying astrology from > > > > books is not going to serve the purpose. One should first go to a > > > > Guru to learn astrology to become an astrologer and the books will > > > > only guide you for the rest. > > > > > > > > Secondly one should get sidhi for a correct prediction and getting > > > > sidhi to a normal person is very difficult as most of the time is to > > > > be spent on sadhana . If this is right, only sadhu /sanyasi and > > > > Brahmins priest can spend time on it. How person like me can learn > > > > astrology and make prediction. > > > > > > > > What is the difference between prediction, on the basis horoscope > > > > and presna sasthra ? > > > > > > > > Prakash > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 Dear Gaurav G . Thank you very much for your enlightening. It was a very nice reply for my doubts. Once you suggests me some remedy to over come my debts. I am regularly chanting the Hanuman Chalisa 7 times along with other slokas. Though the debts are still there, I can manage it with the grace of god. After that I joined the group of respected Sh.Baskerjee.Here I gets all information and guidance and i am very happy. As you said going to a Good Guru in Delhi is a problem. After the office hours and long journey going to Guru at different location is very difficult .As you said, like “Eklayva†I have to do something. In such case Guru is not a problem. I can select anyone among you, Baskerjee and others. Bakerjee advised some books and notes from the group and I am strictly following it. Now I am busy with another mission and will be free after March.. I understood the problem of Presna Sasthra. I think sidhi ( including kshuddra devata) is using here for prediction and remedy. Being a novice if I have written something wrong, please forgive it .But when you are free kindly inform me my mistakes so that ,I can rectify it next time Thank you very much G.G and Baskerjee --- On Fri, 6/2/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: Common Doubts Date: Friday, 6 February, 2009, 8:53 PM , "" <gaurav.ghosh@ ...>wrote:>> ||Jai Ramakrishna| |> Dear Sir,> Yes, you are correct regarding having a guru for learning any> subject--be it our schoolbooks or astrology. Even for the right> spiritual path, one needs a Guru.> If we break the word guru, it comes to "Gu" & "Ru". "Guru" means one> who can illuminate you from all your doubts & confusions. This is the> reason for a "Guru". Again, comes the question of the "right guru".> The Guru should be potent/capable enough to teach his disciple or> "Shishya". I recollect a story which Shri Ramakrishna often used to> tell about different types of Guru. One is the right guru, who is like> a cobra---will kill the frog in 2-3 bites( & give relief to the> Shishya), while the wrong one, tries to kill..with endless bites.... & > at the end of the day both the snake & the frog suffers.> Guru should always be without any confusion, & his action will speak> about himself than his words.> However, books can help, provided you have god's grace & you are> reading the right book. There are endless books in the market---mostly> being astro-cookbooks & the authors have no responsibility once the> book is sold in the market & some of the principles in those books> will lead you to disastrous failures.However, we should never forget> Eklavya, the character of Mahabharata, who considered Acharya Drona as> his Guru & practised archery in front of his Guru's Idol.>> There are many types of "Siddhi". Some for religios reasons, some for> astrological reasons, generally siddhis of kshudra devata etc. Since I> have my own reservations regarding Siddhis,>> Well, Prasna reading has its limitations, for a period of +/- 1.5 to 2> yrs timeline, prasna cannot supercede the promises of the natal chart.> Prasna helps in understanding the present situation, previous> situation & the future situation, but in that time span only.While> natal chart is for lifetime, combining with the transits. Prasna helps> in giving answers like lost articles, lost/missing persons, diseases & > well being, marriage, etc.> I hope I covered all the topics you addressed.> Thank you,> .>> , "prakashcp2003"> prakashcp2003@ wrote:> >> >> > Respected Baskerjee and All> >> > May be I am asking this question due to my ignorance.> >> > Most of the people are of the opinion that studying astrology from> > books is not going to serve the purpose. One should first go to a> > Guru to learn astrology to become an astrologer and the books will> > only guide you for the rest.> >> > Secondly one should get sidhi for a correct prediction and getting> > sidhi to a normal person is very difficult as most of the time is to> > be spent on sadhana . If this is right, only sadhu /sanyasi and> > Brahmins priest can spend time on it. How person like me can learn> > astrology and make prediction.> >> > What is the difference between prediction, on the basis horoscope> > and presna sasthra ?> >> > Prakash> >> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 Dear Prakashji, Sorry. due to time constraints, could not reply you before. 1) Books as you said rightly, is advisable after one has a Guru to learn from, so that reading and understanding the books becomes easier. BUT in absence of Gurus, books too serve as a Guru, and when the intensity of wanting to learn and understand gets stronger, then Nature will provide a way for you to meet a Guru, who will take you on the paths, to the peaks you wish to climb. 2) Siddhi what you are talking of is different In astrology we do not talk of ashtsiddhis, because a person who has these siddhis does not require astrology to KNOW. he has just to close his eyes and contemplate on the problem ( Patanjali Yoga) and will get the answer. For us normal people and astrologers we just need intuition powers which is developed, while some people have it naturally which needs development. But for normal people also some basics are pre-requisites to acquire intuitions one among them is being good and wanting to help people. 3) Prediction based on natal Chart if one needs confirmation, then one has to take help from Prashna. At times small problems are not seen in the Natal charts, like small illnesses. then one has to make resort of Prashna Chart. Again when one does not have his horoscope or does not know his birth time etc. then the Prashna chart helps. There are hundreds of other uses of Prashan chart, which is beyond the scope of this message. 4) Anybody can learn astrology, if he wishes to, if he is a good person, normally religious, devotes time to studies, lives ethically etc. But becoming a good astrologer is a different platform which requires other strict injunctions which too I cannot mention here. best wishes, Bhaskar. , " prakashcp2003 " <prakashcp2003 wrote: > > > Respected Baskerjee and All > > May be I am asking this question due to my ignorance. > > Most of the people are of the opinion that studying astrology from > books is not going to serve the purpose. One should first go to a > Guru to learn astrology to become an astrologer and the books will > only guide you for the rest. > > Secondly one should get sidhi for a correct prediction and getting > sidhi to a normal person is very difficult as most of the time is to > be spent on sadhana . If this is right, only sadhu /sanyasi and > Brahmins priest can spend time on it. How person like me can learn > astrology and make prediction. > > What is the difference between prediction, on the basis horoscope > and presna sasthra ? > > Prakash > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 Respected Baskerjee Thank you very much for your reply. I got the answer. I will follow your advice with regards Prakash --- On Sat, 7/2/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: Common Doubts Date: Saturday, 7 February, 2009, 3:13 PM Dear Prakashji,Sorry. due to time constraints, could not reply you before.1) Books as you said rightly, is advisable after one has a Guru to learnfrom, so that reading and understanding the books becomes easier. BUT inabsence of Gurus, books too serve as a Guru, and when the intensity ofwanting to learn and understand gets stronger, then Nature will providea way for you to meet a Guru, who will take you on the paths, to thepeaks you wish to climb.2) Siddhi what you are talking of is different In astrology we do nottalk of ashtsiddhis, because a person who has these siddhis does notrequire astrology to KNOW. he has just to close his eyes and contemplateon the problem ( Patanjali Yoga) and will get the answer. For us normalpeople and astrologers we just need intuition powers which is developed,while some people have it naturally which needs development. But fornormal people also some basics are pre-requisites to acquire intuitionsone among them is being good and wanting to help people.3) Prediction based on natal Chart if one needs confirmation, then onehas to take help from Prashna. At times small problems are not seen inthe Natal charts, like small illnesses. then one has to make resort ofPrashna Chart. Again when one does not have his horoscope or does notknow his birth time etc. then the Prashna chart helps. There arehundreds of other uses of Prashan chart, which is beyond the scope ofthis message.4) Anybody can learn astrology, if he wishes to, if he is a good person,normally religious, devotes time to studies, lives ethically etc. Butbecoming a good astrologer is a different platform which requires otherstrict injunctions which too I cannot mention here.best wishes,Bhaskar., "prakashcp2003"<prakashcp2003@ ...> wrote:>>> Respected Baskerjee and All>> May be I am asking this question due to my ignorance.>> Most of the people are of the opinion that studying astrology from> books is not going to serve the purpose. One should first go to a> Guru to learn astrology to become an astrologer and the books will> only guide you for the rest.>> Secondly one should get sidhi for a correct prediction and getting> sidhi to a normal person is very difficult as most of the time is to> be spent on sadhana . If this is right, only sadhu /sanyasi and> Brahmins priest can spend time on it. How person like me can learn> astrology and make prediction.>> What is the difference between prediction, on the basis horoscope> and presna sasthra ?>> Prakash> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 ||Jai Ramakrishna|| Dear Prakashji, Its good to know that you are continuing with the remedies. Keep on doing it & will certainly yield results. Yes, finding a guru is a problem, be it Delhi or Kolkata,Mumbai or Chennai...or anywhere in the world. I am not sure, but those ageold astrologers, specially living in villages/outskirts of the city are better than the astrologers living in cities. Obviously there are exceptions to it. I never had any astro guru.If asked who is my guru, it is my lagna lord..Devguru " Brihaspati " , during whose subperiod I started learning this subject.I refer to books generally, & my intuition often serves the purpose for reading a chart. I often told my astrologer to teach me this subject(he is now above 90 yrs old & has experience of over 65-70 yrs in astrology & palmistry), but due to his old age, he refused me. Select anyone as a guru, but never select me. If you select me, Results will be disastrous Regarding Kshudra Devata, I personally dont propitiate any Kshudra Devata for those siddhis,so I cant comment on those who possess it.I do the mantra jaap as I was initiated by my spiritual guru, when I was 14 yrs old from RK Mission, Kolkata. If you think of any mistake, ask God for forgiveness...who am I to forgive....as the good old saying " To err is human " . Thank you, Gaurav. , prakash c <prakashcp2003 wrote: > > > Dear Gaurav G >   . > > Thank you very much for your enlightening. It was a very nice reply for my doubts. Once you suggests me some remedy to over come my debts. I am regularly chanting the Hanuman Chalisa 7 times along with other slokas.  Though the debts are still there, I can manage it with the grace of god. After that I joined the group of respected Sh.Baskerjee.Here I gets all information and guidance and i am very happy. >  > As you said going to a Good Guru in Delhi is a problem. After the office hours and long journey going to Guru at different location is very difficult .As you said, like “Eklayva†I have to do something. In such case Guru is not a problem.  I can select anyone among you, Baskerjee and others. >  > Bakerjee advised some books and notes from the group and I am strictly following it. Now I am busy with another mission and will be free after March.. >  > I understood the problem of Presna Sasthra. I think sidhi ( including kshuddra  devata) is using here for prediction and remedy. Being a novice if I have written something wrong, please forgive it .But when you are free kindly inform me my mistakes so that ,I can rectify it next time >  > Thank you very much G.G and Baskerjee >  > > > --- On Fri, 6/2/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish > Re: Common Doubts > > Friday, 6 February, 2009, 8:53 PM > , " " <gaurav.ghosh@ ...> > wrote: > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna| | > > Dear Sir, > > Yes, you are correct regarding having a guru for learning any > > subject--be it our schoolbooks or astrology. Even for the right > > spiritual path, one needs a Guru. > > If we break the word guru, it comes to " Gu " & " Ru " . " Guru " means one > > who can illuminate you from all your doubts & confusions. This is the > > reason for a " Guru " . Again, comes the question of the " right guru " . > > The Guru should be potent/capable enough to teach his disciple or > > " Shishya " . I recollect a story which Shri Ramakrishna often used to > > tell about different types of Guru. One is the right guru, who is like > > a cobra---will kill the frog in 2-3 bites( & give relief to the > > Shishya), while the wrong one, tries to kill..with endless bites.... & > > at the end of the day both the snake & the frog suffers. > > Guru should always be without any confusion, & his action will speak > > about himself than his words. > > However, books can help, provided you have god's grace & you are > > reading the right book. There are endless books in the market---mostly > > being astro-cookbooks & the authors have no responsibility once the > > book is sold in the market & some of the principles in those books > > will lead you to disastrous failures.However, we should never forget > > Eklavya, the character of Mahabharata, who considered Acharya Drona as > > his Guru & practised archery in front of his Guru's Idol. > > > > There are many types of " Siddhi " . Some for religios reasons, some for > > astrological reasons, generally siddhis of kshudra devata etc. Since I > > have my own reservations regarding Siddhis, > > > > Well, Prasna reading has its limitations, for a period of +/- 1.5 to 2 > > yrs timeline, prasna cannot supercede the promises of the natal chart. > > Prasna helps in understanding the present situation, previous > > situation & the future situation, but in that time span only.While > > natal chart is for lifetime, combining with the transits. Prasna helps > > in giving answers like lost articles, lost/missing persons, diseases & > > well being, marriage, etc. > > I hope I covered all the topics you addressed. > > Thank you, > > . > > > > , " prakashcp2003 " > > prakashcp2003@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Respected Baskerjee and All > > > > > > May be I am asking this question due to my ignorance. > > > > > > Most of the people are of the opinion that studying astrology from > > > books is not going to serve the purpose. One should first go to a > > > Guru to learn astrology to become an astrologer and the books will > > > only guide you for the rest. > > > > > > Secondly one should get sidhi for a correct prediction and getting > > > sidhi to a normal person is very difficult as most of the time is to > > > be spent on sadhana . If this is right, only sadhu /sanyasi and > > > Brahmins priest can spend time on it. How person like me can learn > > > astrology and make prediction. > > > > > > What is the difference between prediction, on the basis horoscope > > > and presna sasthra ? > > > > > > Prakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger./invite/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 Dear All,The word guru is a compound of two words, gu and ru. Gu means darkness and ru means light. That which dispels the darkness of ignorance is called guru. The energy and action for removing darkness are guru. Guru may not be a person, it is a force driven by grace. There is an intelligent momentum that pervades the universe that is moving all human beings toward the perfection we call God. Guru is that intelligence. Everyone's receptivity to that intelligence varies. It depends on preparation, which includes the development of vairagya or nonattachment, and abhyasa or practice. In other words, guru is always there, but the student may not be ready to receive what the guru has to offer. When the student is prepared, the guru always arrives to help the student do what is necessary to progress in removing the veil of ignorance. It is said that when the wick and oil are properly prepared, the master lights the lamp. While we all wait for that master to appear, we are helped by teachers. What we refer to in common parlance is a spiritual teacher/guide.This is the best way to recognise a good teacher: The teacher who can sit still for a long time is a good teacher because he has practiced something. Listen to him. If the teacher changes his posture many times in five minutes, do not waste your time there. RegardsNeelam2009/2/7 <gaurav.ghosh ||Jai Ramakrishna|| Dear Prakashji, Its good to know that you are continuing with the remedies. Keep on doing it & will certainly yield results. Yes, finding a guru is a problem, be it Delhi or Kolkata,Mumbai or Chennai...or anywhere in the world. I am not sure, but those ageold astrologers, specially living in villages/outskirts of the city are better than the astrologers living in cities. Obviously there are exceptions to it. I never had any astro guru.If asked who is my guru, it is my lagna lord..Devguru " Brihaspati " , during whose subperiod I started learning this subject.I refer to books generally, & my intuition often serves the purpose for reading a chart. I often told my astrologer to teach me this subject(he is now above 90 yrs old & has experience of over 65-70 yrs in astrology & palmistry), but due to his old age, he refused me. Select anyone as a guru, but never select me. If you select me, Results will be disastrous Regarding Kshudra Devata, I personally dont propitiate any Kshudra Devata for those siddhis,so I cant comment on those who possess it.I do the mantra jaap as I was initiated by my spiritual guru, when I was 14 yrs old from RK Mission, Kolkata. If you think of any mistake, ask God for forgiveness...who am I to forgive....as the good old saying " To err is human " . Thank you, Gaurav. , prakash c <prakashcp2003 wrote: > > > Dear Gaurav G >   . > > Thank you very much for your enlightening. It was a very nice reply for my doubts. Once you suggests me some remedy to over come my debts. I am regularly chanting the Hanuman Chalisa 7 times along with other slokas.  Though the debts are still there, I can manage it with the grace of god. After that I joined the group of respected Sh.Baskerjee.Here I gets all information and guidance and i am very happy. >  > As you said going to a Good Guru in Delhi is a problem. After the office hours and long journey going to Guru at different location is very difficult .As you said, like “Eklayva†I have to do something. In such case Guru is not a problem.  I can select anyone among you, Baskerjee and others. >  > Bakerjee advised some books and notes from the group and I am strictly following it. Now I am busy with another mission and will be free after March.. >  > I understood the problem of Presna Sasthra. I think sidhi ( including kshuddra  devata) is using here for prediction and remedy. Being a novice if I have written something wrong, please forgive it .But when you are free kindly inform me my mistakes so that ,I can rectify it next time >  > Thank you very much G.G and Baskerjee >  > > > --- On Fri, 6/2/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish > Re: Common Doubts > > Friday, 6 February, 2009, 8:53 PM > > > > > > > > , " " <gaurav.ghosh@ ...> > wrote: > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna| | > > Dear Sir, > > Yes, you are correct regarding having a guru for learning any > > subject--be it our schoolbooks or astrology. Even for the right > > spiritual path, one needs a Guru. > > If we break the word guru, it comes to " Gu " & " Ru " . " Guru " means one > > who can illuminate you from all your doubts & confusions. This is the > > reason for a " Guru " . Again, comes the question of the " right guru " . > > The Guru should be potent/capable enough to teach his disciple or > > " Shishya " . I recollect a story which Shri Ramakrishna often used to > > tell about different types of Guru. One is the right guru, who is like > > a cobra---will kill the frog in 2-3 bites( & give relief to the > > Shishya), while the wrong one, tries to kill..with endless bites.... & > > at the end of the day both the snake & the frog suffers. > > Guru should always be without any confusion, & his action will speak > > about himself than his words. > > However, books can help, provided you have god's grace & you are > > reading the right book. There are endless books in the market---mostly > > being astro-cookbooks & the authors have no responsibility once the > > book is sold in the market & some of the principles in those books > > will lead you to disastrous failures.However, we should never forget > > Eklavya, the character of Mahabharata, who considered Acharya Drona as > > his Guru & practised archery in front of his Guru's Idol. > > > > There are many types of " Siddhi " . Some for religios reasons, some for > > astrological reasons, generally siddhis of kshudra devata etc. Since I > > have my own reservations regarding Siddhis, > > > > Well, Prasna reading has its limitations, for a period of +/- 1.5 to 2 > > yrs timeline, prasna cannot supercede the promises of the natal chart. > > Prasna helps in understanding the present situation, previous > > situation & the future situation, but in that time span only.While > > natal chart is for lifetime, combining with the transits. Prasna helps > > in giving answers like lost articles, lost/missing persons, diseases & > > well being, marriage, etc. > > I hope I covered all the topics you addressed. > > Thank you, > > . > > > > , " prakashcp2003 " > > prakashcp2003@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Respected Baskerjee and All > > > > > > May be I am asking this question due to my ignorance. > > > > > > Most of the people are of the opinion that studying astrology from > > > books is not going to serve the purpose. One should first go to a > > > Guru to learn astrology to become an astrologer and the books will > > > only guide you for the rest. > > > > > > Secondly one should get sidhi for a correct prediction and getting > > > sidhi to a normal person is very difficult as most of the time is to > > > be spent on sadhana . If this is right, only sadhu /sanyasi and > > > Brahmins priest can spend time on it. How person like me can learn > > > astrology and make prediction. > > > > > > What is the difference between prediction, on the basis horoscope > > > and presna sasthra ? > > > > > > Prakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger./invite/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 Thank you very much Gaurav G,Neeamji,Baskerjee Now I think the matteris finished and may be I will start a new question for my knowledge Prakash--- On Sat, 7/2/09, <gaurav.ghosh wrote: <gaurav.ghosh Re: Common Doubts Date: Saturday, 7 February, 2009, 6:03 PM ||Jai Ramakrishna| |Dear Prakashji,Its good to know that you are continuing with the remedies. Keep ondoing it & will certainly yield results.Yes, finding a guru is a problem, be it Delhi or Kolkata,Mumbai orChennai...or anywhere in the world. I am not sure, but those ageoldastrologers, specially living in villages/outskirts of the city arebetter than the astrologers living in cities. Obviously there areexceptions to it.I never had any astro guru.If asked who is my guru, it is my lagnalord..Devguru "Brihaspati" , during whose subperiod I started learningthis subject.I refer to books generally, & my intuition often servesthe purpose for reading a chart. I often told my astrologer to teachme this subject(he is now above 90 yrs old & has experience of over65-70 yrs in astrology & palmistry), but due to his old age, herefused me.Select anyone as a guru, but never select me. If you select me,Results will be disastrous :)Regarding Kshudra Devata, I personally dont propitiate any KshudraDevata for those siddhis,so I cant comment on those who possess it.Ido the mantra jaap as I was initiated by my spiritual guru, when I was14 yrs old from RK Mission, Kolkata.If you think of any mistake, ask God for forgiveness. ..who am I toforgive....as the good old saying "To err is human".Thank you,Gaurav., prakash c <prakashcp2003@ ...> wrote:>> > Dear Gaurav G> . > > Thank you very much for your enlightening. It was a very nicereply for my doubts. Once you suggests me some remedy to over come mydebts. I am regularly chanting the Hanuman Chalisa 7 times along withother slokas. Though the debts are still there, I can manageit with the grace of god. After that I joined the groupof respected Sh.Baskerjee. Here I gets all information andguidance and i am very happy.> > As you said going to a Good Guru in Delhi is a problem. After theoffice hours and long journey going to Guru at different location isvery difficult .As you said, like “Eklayva†I have to dosomething. In such case Guru is not a problem. I can select anyoneamong you, Baskerjee and others.> > Bakerjee advised some books and notes from the group and I amstrictly following it. Now I am busy with another mission and will befree after March..> > I understood the problem of Presna Sasthra. I think sidhi (including kshuddra devata) is using here for prediction andremedy. Being a novice if I have written something wrong, pleaseforgive it .But when you are free kindly inform me my mistakes so that,I can rectify it next time> > Thank you very much G.G and Baskerjee > > > > --- On Fri, 6/2/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...>> Re: Common Doubts> > Friday, 6 February, 2009, 8:53 PM> > > > > > > > , ""<gaurav.ghosh@ ...>> wrote:> >> > ||Jai Ramakrishna| |> > Dear Sir,> > Yes, you are correct regarding having a guru for learning any> > subject--be it our schoolbooks or astrology. Even for the right> > spiritual path, one needs a Guru.> > If we break the word guru, it comes to "Gu" & "Ru". "Guru" means one> > who can illuminate you from all your doubts & confusions. This is the> > reason for a "Guru". Again, comes the question of the "right guru".> > The Guru should be potent/capable enough to teach his disciple or> > "Shishya". I recollect a story which Shri Ramakrishna often used to> > tell about different types of Guru. One is the right guru, who is like> > a cobra---will kill the frog in 2-3 bites( & give relief to the> > Shishya), while the wrong one, tries to kill..with endless bites.... & > > at the end of the day both the snake & the frog suffers.> > Guru should always be without any confusion, & his action will speak> > about himself than his words.> > However, books can help, provided you have god's grace & you are> > reading the right book. There are endless books in the market---mostly> > being astro-cookbooks & the authors have no responsibility once the> > book is sold in the market & some of the principles in those books> > will lead you to disastrous failures.However, we should never forget> > Eklavya, the character of Mahabharata, who considered Acharya Drona as> > his Guru & practised archery in front of his Guru's Idol.> >> > There are many types of "Siddhi". Some for religios reasons, some for> > astrological reasons, generally siddhis of kshudra devata etc. Since I> > have my own reservations regarding Siddhis,> >> > Well, Prasna reading has its limitations, for a period of +/- 1.5 to 2> > yrs timeline, prasna cannot supercede the promises of the natal chart.> > Prasna helps in understanding the present situation, previous> > situation & the future situation, but in that time span only.While> > natal chart is for lifetime, combining with the transits. Prasna helps> > in giving answers like lost articles, lost/missing persons, diseases & > > well being, marriage, etc.> > I hope I covered all the topics you addressed.> > Thank you,> > .> >> > , "prakashcp2003"> > prakashcp2003@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Respected Baskerjee and All> > >> > > May be I am asking this question due to my ignorance.> > >> > > Most of the people are of the opinion that studying astrology from> > > books is not going to serve the purpose. One should first go to a> > > Guru to learn astrology to become an astrologer and the books will> > > only guide you for the rest.> > >> > > Secondly one should get sidhi for a correct prediction and getting> > > sidhi to a normal person is very difficult as most of the time is to> > > be spent on sadhana . If this is right, only sadhu /sanyasi and> > > Brahmins priest can spend time on it. How person like me can learn> > > astrology and make prediction.> > >> > > What is the difference between prediction, on the basis horoscope> > > and presna sasthra ?> > >> > > Prakash> > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go tohttp://messenger. / invite/> Check out the all-new Messenger 9.0! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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