GOD

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Dear Renu ji, God is Everything possible to view, imagine, everything that exists. God is existence. God is the nature, time, matter, energy consciousness, lack of it and what not! There is nothing except god. There for god is certainly not a concept of human mind, but rather a visible reality!!! God is the thread of oneness that goes through everything; God is the stuff with which everything is made up of; God is the radiance that energies that stuff!! God is time, space and beyond. There could be only a rarest thing about which the statement - It DOES exists and it DOESN'T exists can be true!!! God and Atma are synonymous at least for the enlightened. Upanishad calls it Atma (the one which is Atma), and Buddha calls it Anatma (the one which is NOT atma)!!! Different ways of expressing/articulating the same truth! ==>> why not the concept of God be something created by human mind for> its own convenience?<== Here also the beauty of god is that it is the merging of the opposites. Certainly the word/concept "God" is a human creation to comprehend the incomprehensible; a fractal word to represent the ultimate non-fractal unity/oneness/ultimate. Certainly "the concept of god" is something that is created by human mind for its own convenience! This is a simple and straight forward fact. (even though we may feel reluctant to accept it) But at the same time we should understand one thing more. When we release ourselves from the limitation caused by this word/concept 'God' and looks beyond....beyond words it is a reality, a reality that is not bound to any names/forms.....something that embarrasses everything around us and beyond, within and outside........! God/Universe - is there any difference? God is the 'Wow' I express, my wonder....beyond all comprehension....including me....i am...I can not see or experience anything that is not god...it is impossible....The word/concept God and all other words/concepts are god himself.....how could he be limited to a single word/concept such as 'God'?!!! No..he cannnot...!! My words cannot comprehend him...he/she/it all meaningless....the fragments.... ==>> What we believe is that we are responsible for our own acts. No God can> help us to do good or to do bad. Everything revolves around our mind.> Mind is the forerunner of all our actions. I'd rather say that mind is> 'God'.<== If Mind is god, body too is....If energy is god, matter too is....if good is good evil too is.... if concepts are god, facts too is...if the word 'god' signifies him, other words too.....What is not him? How can I say that what is not mind is not god? But still I can ask - does mind exists? Existance is god...mind as a concept, mind as a fact - which way does it exists? Mind is god....can be true...but what not is god?!..... If life is god, death too is... Certainly 'God' as we speak of him is a concept, a creation of the human mind; but 'God' beyond all words (including the word 'God') is a reality - visible to me when I look all around; known to me because I exists!!! (The same is true for every individual). This well evident reality would be visible to all radiant individuals with at least some consciousness, those who are not blind from within, for sure, I know.... How can we turn our back to this evident reality? Call it God or Non-god; call it atma or anatma - beyond words.....IT EXISTS....!!!!Love and regards,Sreenadh , "renunw" <renunw wrote:>> > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > "It is better to assume that - God is responsible for every thing good> and bad; and god IS everything good and bad. i.e. Even the good and bad> events ARE god; that too is part of existence, divinity."> > Now please... tell me who is God? Truly..I don't get this. How can we> assume something that we have not seen..at least I have not seen. It was> you who said that, ........"Karma is just a concept created by human> mind to provide a kind of explanation"...> > Then why not the concept of God be something created by human mind for> its own convenience? Please do understand..I don't mean any insult or> disrespect to anyone. I am questioning you based on what Buddhism has> taught me. Well, we accept that there are gods. Even queen Maya, the> mother of Prince Siddhartha was born in 'Thusitha Heaven'...where later,> Buddha visited to preach dhamma to her.> > What we believe is that we are responsible for our own acts. No God can> help us to do good or to do bad. Everything revolves around our mind.> Mind is the forerunner of all our actions. I'd rather say that mind is> 'God'.> > blessings> > Renu> > , "Sreenadh"> sreesog@ wrote:> >> > Dear Renu ji,> > ==>> > > I agree with Bhaskar ji when he says that god is> > > not responsible for all calamities.> > <==> > That is why I said that I disagree. There could be only 2 kind of> > statements possible regarding this -> > 1) God is responsible for every thing bad (such as calamities etc) and> > is also responsible for everything good (happiness, love etc) OR> > 2) God is NOT responsible for everything bad (such as calamities etc)> > and is also NOT responsible for everything good (happiness, love etc).> > [The explanation as you puts it could be - I should be responsible for> > my own well being or my own destruction, and not anyone else)> > The problem with the second explanation is that it considers ME as an> > entity outside God! Thus essentially the argument that does not hold> god> > NOT responsible all problems but OWN actions assumes that God is NOT> > omnipresent! Of course there could be an alternative - i.e. of> assuming> > that God and Me are synonymous. Only in that situation both the> > following statements will become synonymous - 1) God is responsible> for> > everything good and bad. 2) I am responsible everything good and bad.> > [but ofcourse note that the feeling of oneness of a drop as ocean and> > stating that "I am responsible for all the turbulences" should not be> > taken literally even though a glimpse of truth is in it; But if the> > ocean tells that "I am responsible for all the turbulences" then may> be> > it could be more near to truth; but the ocean never does it because> even> > the turbulences itself are just part of ocean itself!!!]> > So the end note is, It is better to assume that - God is responsible> > for every thing good and bad; and god IS everything good and bad. i.e.> > Even the good and bad events ARE god; that too is part of existence,> > divinity.> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> >> > , "renunw" renunw@> > wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > >> > > You have got me wrong. I neither said all divine/good is god nor> that> > > all bad is not god. I agree with Bhaskar ji when he says that god is> > > not responsible for all calamities. At the same time I disagree with> > > may be almost everyone here...that god is responsible for all good> > > things in the world. I should be responsible for my own well being> or> > my> > > own destruction, and not anyone else. Mind is the forerunner of> > > everything. It is our mind that we need to control so that we could> > > accept everything with equanimity, whether good or bad.> > >> > > Returning to 'karma' theory....... at the end even law of karma will> > > surrender to natural laws.> > >> > > "God is the ultimate oneness - within and outside, everywhere"> > >> > > In this I feel there is some truth worthy of investigating through> > > meditation...thanks.> > >> > > blessings> > >> > > Renu> > >> > > blessings> > >> > > Renu> >>

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Dear Sreenadh ji,

 

That was an interesting attempt explain what God is. I would like to add my understanding to what you have already said.

 

God is Everything possible to view, imagine, everything that exists. God is existence. God is the nature, time, matter, energy consciousness, lack of it and what not!God is everything that is manifest as well as that thing that is not manifest. We can only perceive that is manifest and can not perceive what is not.

 

There is nothing except god.

 

On the dot sir!

 

God is the thread of oneness that goes through everything;

 

Of course! "Sutre maniganaa iva" of Bhagadgita (Ch 7., Sh. 7) says exactly the same. It means God is like the thread which holds the beads together in a mala. This world - everything that is manifest, the earth, planets, stars are more are in place due to the essesnce/force called God.

 

This essence permiates everything. It is the same thing that makes the electrons revolve around protons and it is the same that makes satellites revolve around planets, planets around stars and starts around another bigger entity.

 

This natural force is the one which makes sure that I get appropriate reactions for all my actions. No, there is no one sitting and taking note of things and making a decision as to whether to punish someone or give a boon. It is automatic, built-in in the system, it is the very nature of the natural force to make these things happen automatcially without anyone intervening.

 

I think it is getting too abstract, let me stop it here.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

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Here are my views fwiw. I agree there is nothing except God. By definition

that means " we " are also God. But how can this be? The answer is that we do

not actually exist. We only perceive we exist. We are actually just in God's

" imagination " . Like a hologram but with our 7 senses so " we " perceive that

certain physical things are happening/existing.

 

 

 

Now why does a loving God need to play these imagination games and make " us "

believe we are suffering in this physical shell? Why would " we " (as being

part of God) agree to this suffering via physical reincarnations? There is

only one logical reason and that is God needs this " suffering " to continue

to exist. The simplest way to explain this is through an example. A

reasonable assumption is that our physical existence is modeled on the laws

that govern God's existence. These laws are based on vibration, action and

reaction etc. It is a fact that pure harmony will wither to nothing. The

only thing that keeps the vibrations continuing is disharmony. Hence we

agree to " suffer " so God (read us) can continue to grow and exist. And some

of " us " agree to do things to " others " to create disharmony.

 

 

 

Now we are allowed to see this master plan through things like astrology

where we have proof there is a master plan determining the characteristics

of every person and everything that happens to the person during their

physical existence.

 

Through astrology we can see what will happen in the future and hence KNOW

(rather than just believe) that God " exists " .

 

That is why throughout mans existence, enlightened masters works refer to

astrology. For example even the relatively modern Christian religion's

bible starts off by saying the planets are here to guide us...

 

 

 

 

 

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On Behalf Of Krishnamurthy

Seetharama

Tuesday, July 29, 2008 11:02 PM

 

Re:God

 

 

 

 

Dear Sreenadh ji,

 

 

 

That was an interesting attempt explain what God is. I would like to add my

understanding to what you have already said.

 

 

 

God is Everything possible to view, imagine, everything that exists. God is

existence. God is the nature, time, matter, energy consciousness, lack of it

and what not!

 

God is everything that is manifest as well as that thing that is not

manifest. We can only perceive that is manifest and can not perceive what is

not.

 

 

 

There is nothing except god.

 

 

 

On the dot sir!

 

 

 

God is the thread of oneness that goes through everything;

 

 

 

Of course! " Sutre maniganaa iva " of Bhagadgita (Ch 7., Sh. 7) says exactly

the same. It means God is like the thread which holds the beads together in

a mala. This world - everything that is manifest, the earth, planets, stars

are more are in place due to the essesnce/force called God.

 

 

 

This essence permiates everything. It is the same thing that makes the

electrons revolve around protons and it is the same that makes satellites

revolve around planets, planets around stars and starts around another

bigger entity.

 

 

 

This natural force is the one which makes sure that I get appropriate

reactions for all my actions. No, there is no one sitting and taking note of

things and making a decision as to whether to punish someone or give a boon.

It is automatic, built-in in the system, it is the very nature of the

natural force to make these things happen automatcially without anyone

intervening.

 

 

 

I think it is getting too abstract, let me stop it here.

 

 

 

Regards,

 

Krishna

 

 

 

 

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The first para in blue, sort of resembles what is written in Quran.

 

Amma Saranam!

 

Regards

Ramesh

 

 

 

Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998

 

Tuesday, 29 July, 2008 6:31:53 PM

Re:God

 

 

Dear Sreenadh ji,

 

That was an interesting attempt explain what God is. I would like to add my

understanding to what you have already said.

 

God is Everything possible to view, imagine, everything that exists. God is

existence. God is the nature, time, matter, energy consciousness, lack of it and

what not!

 

God is everything that is manifest as well as that thing that is not manifest.

We can only perceive that is manifest and can not perceive what is not.

 

There is nothing except god.

 

On the dot sir!

 

God is the thread of oneness that goes through everything;

 

Of course! " Sutre maniganaa iva " of Bhagadgita (Ch 7., Sh. 7) says exactly the

same. It means God is like the thread which holds the beads together in a mala.

This world - everything that is manifest, the earth, planets, stars are more are

in place due to the essesnce/force called God.

 

This essence permiates everything. It is the same thing that makes the electrons

revolve around protons and it is the same that makes satellites revolve around

planets, planets around stars and starts around another bigger entity.

 

This natural force is the one which makes sure that I get appropriate reactions

for all my actions. No, there is no one sitting and taking note of things and

making a decision as to whether to punish someone or give a boon. It is

automatic, built-in in the system, it is the very nature of the natural force to

make these things happen automatcially without anyone intervening.

 

I think it is getting too abstract, let me stop it here.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

 

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Dear Sreenadh ji,

 

Thanks for clarifying the concept of 'god'. I think I understand

what you have tried to explain.

 

We try hard to find the Truth. We give it various names. I feel

that consciousness plays a major role in our journey. Our paths may

be slightly different...but destination may be the same.

 

blessings

 

Renu

 

 

 

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

>

> Dear Renu ji,

> God is Everything possible to view, imagine, everything that

exists.

> God is existence. God is the nature, time, matter, energy

consciousness,

> lack of it and what not! There is nothing except god. There for

god is

> certainly not a concept of human mind, but rather a visible

reality!!!

> God is the thread of oneness that goes through everything; God is

the

> stuff with which everything is made up of; God is the radiance that

> energies that stuff!! God is time, space and beyond. There could

be

> only a rarest thing about which the statement - It DOES exists and

it

> DOESN'T exists can be true!!! God and Atma are synonymous at

least for

> the enlightened. Upanishad calls it Atma (the one which is Atma),

and

> Buddha calls it Anatma (the one which is NOT atma)!!! Different

ways of

> expressing/articulating the same truth!

> ==>

> > why not the concept of God be something created by human mind for

> > its own convenience?

> <==

> Here also the beauty of god is that it is the merging of the

> opposites. Certainly the word/concept " God " is a human creation to

> comprehend the incomprehensible; a fractal word to represent the

> ultimate non-fractal unity/oneness/ultimate. Certainly " the

concept of

> god " is something that is created by human mind for its own

convenience!

> This is a simple and straight forward fact. (even though we may

feel

> reluctant to accept it) But at the same time we should understand

one

> thing more. When we release ourselves from the limitation caused

by this

> word/concept 'God' and looks beyond....beyond words it is a

reality, a

> reality that is not bound to any names/forms.....something that

> embarrasses everything around us and beyond, within and

outside........!

> God/Universe - is there any difference? God is the 'Wow' I

express, my

> wonder....beyond all comprehension....including me....i am...I can

not

> see or experience anything that is not god...it is

impossible....The

> word/concept God and all other words/concepts are god

himself.....how

> could he be limited to a single word/concept such as 'God'?!!!

No..he

> cannnot...!! My words cannot comprehend him...he/she/it all

> meaningless....the fragments....

> ==>

> > What we believe is that we are responsible for our own acts. No

God

> can

> > help us to do good or to do bad. Everything revolves around our

mind.

> > Mind is the forerunner of all our actions. I'd rather say that

mind is

> > 'God'.

> <==

> If Mind is god, body too is....If energy is god, matter too

is....if

> good is good evil too is.... if concepts are god, facts too

is...if the

> word 'god' signifies him, other words too.....What is not him? How

can I

> say that what is not mind is not god? But still I can ask - does

mind

> exists? Existance is god...mind as a concept, mind as a fact -

which way

> does it exists? Mind is god....can be true...but what not is

god?!.....

> If life is god, death too is... Certainly 'God' as we speak of

him is a

> concept, a creation of the human mind; but 'God' beyond all words

> (including the word 'God') is a reality - visible to me when I

look all

> around; known to me because I exists!!! (The same is true for every

> individual). This well evident reality would be visible to all

radiant

> individuals with at least some consciousness, those who are not

blind

> from within, for sure, I know.... How can we turn our back to this

> evident reality? Call it God or Non-god; call it atma or anatma -

beyond

> words.....IT EXISTS....!!!!

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " renunw " <renunw@>

> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> >

> > " It is better to assume that - God is responsible for every

thing good

> > and bad; and god IS everything good and bad. i.e. Even the good

and

> bad

> > events ARE god; that too is part of existence, divinity. "

> >

> > Now please... tell me who is God? Truly..I don't get this. How

can we

> > assume something that we have not seen..at least I have not

seen. It

> was

> > you who said that, ........ " Karma is just a concept created by

human

> > mind to provide a kind of explanation " ...

> >

> > Then why not the concept of God be something created by human

mind for

> > its own convenience? Please do understand..I don't mean any

insult or

> > disrespect to anyone. I am questioning you based on what

Buddhism has

> > taught me. Well, we accept that there are gods. Even queen Maya,

the

> > mother of Prince Siddhartha was born in 'Thusitha Heaven'...where

> later,

> > Buddha visited to preach dhamma to her.

> >

> > What we believe is that we are responsible for our own acts. No

God

> can

> > help us to do good or to do bad. Everything revolves around our

mind.

> > Mind is the forerunner of all our actions. I'd rather say that

mind is

> > 'God'.

> >

> > blessings

> >

> > Renu

> >

> > , " Sreenadh "

> > sreesog@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Renu ji,

> > > ==>

> > > > I agree with Bhaskar ji when he says that god is

> > > > not responsible for all calamities.

> > > <==

> > > That is why I said that I disagree. There could be only 2 kind

of

> > > statements possible regarding this -

> > > 1) God is responsible for every thing bad (such as calamities

etc)

> and

> > > is also responsible for everything good (happiness, love etc)

OR

> > > 2) God is NOT responsible for everything bad (such as

calamities

> etc)

> > > and is also NOT responsible for everything good (happiness,

love

> etc).

> > > [The explanation as you puts it could be - I should be

responsible

> for

> > > my own well being or my own destruction, and not anyone else)

> > > The problem with the second explanation is that it considers

ME as

> an

> > > entity outside God! Thus essentially the argument that does

not hold

> > god

> > > NOT responsible all problems but OWN actions assumes that God

is NOT

> > > omnipresent! Of course there could be an alternative - i.e. of

> > assuming

> > > that God and Me are synonymous. Only in that situation both the

> > > following statements will become synonymous - 1) God is

responsible

> > for

> > > everything good and bad. 2) I am responsible everything good

and

> bad.

> > > [but ofcourse note that the feeling of oneness of a drop as

ocean

> and

> > > stating that " I am responsible for all the turbulences " should

not

> be

> > > taken literally even though a glimpse of truth is in it; But

if the

> > > ocean tells that " I am responsible for all the turbulences "

then may

> > be

> > > it could be more near to truth; but the ocean never does it

because

> > even

> > > the turbulences itself are just part of ocean itself!!!]

> > > So the end note is, It is better to assume that - God is

responsible

> > > for every thing good and bad; and god IS everything good and

bad.

> i.e.

> > > Even the good and bad events ARE god; that too is part of

existence,

> > > divinity.

> > > Love and regards,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > , " renunw "

renunw@

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > >

> > > > You have got me wrong. I neither said all divine/good is god

nor

> > that

> > > > all bad is not god. I agree with Bhaskar ji when he says

that god

> is

> > > > not responsible for all calamities. At the same time I

disagree

> with

> > > > may be almost everyone here...that god is responsible for

all good

> > > > things in the world. I should be responsible for my own well

being

> > or

> > > my

> > > > own destruction, and not anyone else. Mind is the forerunner

of

> > > > everything. It is our mind that we need to control so that we

> could

> > > > accept everything with equanimity, whether good or bad.

> > > >

> > > > Returning to 'karma' theory....... at the end even law of

karma

> will

> > > > surrender to natural laws.

> > > >

> > > > " God is the ultimate oneness - within and outside,

everywhere "

> > > >

> > > > In this I feel there is some truth worthy of investigating

through

> > > > meditation...thanks.

> > > >

> > > > blessings

> > > >

> > > > Renu

> > > >

> > > > blessings

> > > >

> > > > Renu

> > >

> >

>

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// We try hard to find the Truth. We give it various names. I feel that consciousness plays a major role in our journey. Our paths may be slightly different...but destination may be the same. //

Perfect. rgrds/bhaskar.

, "renunw" <renunw wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh ji,> > Thanks for clarifying the concept of 'god'. I think I understand > what you have tried to explain.> > We try hard to find the Truth. We give it various names. I feel > that consciousness plays a major role in our journey. Our paths may > be slightly different...but destination may be the same.> > blessings> > Renu> > > > , "Sreenadh" > sreesog@ wrote:> >> > > > Dear Renu ji,> > God is Everything possible to view, imagine, everything that > exists.> > God is existence. God is the nature, time, matter, energy > consciousness,> > lack of it and what not! There is nothing except god. There for > god is> > certainly not a concept of human mind, but rather a visible > reality!!!> > God is the thread of oneness that goes through everything; God is > the> > stuff with which everything is made up of; God is the radiance that> > energies that stuff!! God is time, space and beyond. There could > be> > only a rarest thing about which the statement - It DOES exists and > it> > DOESN'T exists can be true!!! God and Atma are synonymous at > least for> > the enlightened. Upanishad calls it Atma (the one which is Atma), > and> > Buddha calls it Anatma (the one which is NOT atma)!!! Different > ways of> > expressing/articulating the same truth!> > ==>> > > why not the concept of God be something created by human mind for> > > its own convenience?> > <==> > Here also the beauty of god is that it is the merging of the> > opposites. Certainly the word/concept "God" is a human creation to> > comprehend the incomprehensible; a fractal word to represent the> > ultimate non-fractal unity/oneness/ultimate. Certainly "the > concept of> > god" is something that is created by human mind for its own > convenience!> > This is a simple and straight forward fact. (even though we may > feel> > reluctant to accept it) But at the same time we should understand > one> > thing more. When we release ourselves from the limitation caused > by this> > word/concept 'God' and looks beyond....beyond words it is a > reality, a> > reality that is not bound to any names/forms.....something that> > embarrasses everything around us and beyond, within and > outside........!> > God/Universe - is there any difference? God is the 'Wow' I > express, my> > wonder....beyond all comprehension....including me....i am...I can > not> > see or experience anything that is not god...it is > impossible....The> > word/concept God and all other words/concepts are god > himself.....how> > could he be limited to a single word/concept such as 'God'?!!! > No..he> > cannnot...!! My words cannot comprehend him...he/she/it all> > meaningless....the fragments....> > ==>> > > What we believe is that we are responsible for our own acts. No > God> > can> > > help us to do good or to do bad. Everything revolves around our > mind.> > > Mind is the forerunner of all our actions. I'd rather say that > mind is> > > 'God'.> > <==> > If Mind is god, body too is....If energy is god, matter too > is....if> > good is good evil too is.... if concepts are god, facts too > is...if the> > word 'god' signifies him, other words too.....What is not him? How > can I> > say that what is not mind is not god? But still I can ask - does > mind> > exists? Existance is god...mind as a concept, mind as a fact - > which way> > does it exists? Mind is god....can be true...but what not is > god?!.....> > If life is god, death too is... Certainly 'God' as we speak of > him is a> > concept, a creation of the human mind; but 'God' beyond all words> > (including the word 'God') is a reality - visible to me when I > look all> > around; known to me because I exists!!! (The same is true for every> > individual). This well evident reality would be visible to all > radiant> > individuals with at least some consciousness, those who are not > blind> > from within, for sure, I know.... How can we turn our back to this> > evident reality? Call it God or Non-god; call it atma or anatma - > beyond> > words.....IT EXISTS....!!!!> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> > > > , "renunw" <renunw@>> > wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > >> > > "It is better to assume that - God is responsible for every > thing good> > > and bad; and god IS everything good and bad. i.e. Even the good > and> > bad> > > events ARE god; that too is part of existence, divinity."> > >> > > Now please... tell me who is God? Truly..I don't get this. How > can we> > > assume something that we have not seen..at least I have not > seen. It> > was> > > you who said that, ........"Karma is just a concept created by > human> > > mind to provide a kind of explanation"...> > >> > > Then why not the concept of God be something created by human > mind for> > > its own convenience? Please do understand..I don't mean any > insult or> > > disrespect to anyone. I am questioning you based on what > Buddhism has> > > taught me. Well, we accept that there are gods. Even queen Maya, > the> > > mother of Prince Siddhartha was born in 'Thusitha Heaven'...where> > later,> > > Buddha visited to preach dhamma to her.> > >> > > What we believe is that we are responsible for our own acts. No > God> > can> > > help us to do good or to do bad. Everything revolves around our > mind.> > > Mind is the forerunner of all our actions. I'd rather say that > mind is> > > 'God'.> > >> > > blessings> > >> > > Renu> > >> > > , "Sreenadh"> > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Renu ji,> > > > ==>> > > > > I agree with Bhaskar ji when he says that god is> > > > > not responsible for all calamities.> > > > <==> > > > That is why I said that I disagree. There could be only 2 kind > of> > > > statements possible regarding this -> > > > 1) God is responsible for every thing bad (such as calamities > etc)> > and> > > > is also responsible for everything good (happiness, love etc) > OR> > > > 2) God is NOT responsible for everything bad (such as > calamities> > etc)> > > > and is also NOT responsible for everything good (happiness, > love> > etc).> > > > [The explanation as you puts it could be - I should be > responsible> > for> > > > my own well being or my own destruction, and not anyone else)> > > > The problem with the second explanation is that it considers > ME as> > an> > > > entity outside God! Thus essentially the argument that does > not hold> > > god> > > > NOT responsible all problems but OWN actions assumes that God > is NOT> > > > omnipresent! Of course there could be an alternative - i.e. of> > > assuming> > > > that God and Me are synonymous. Only in that situation both the> > > > following statements will become synonymous - 1) God is > responsible> > > for> > > > everything good and bad. 2) I am responsible everything good > and> > bad.> > > > [but ofcourse note that the feeling of oneness of a drop as > ocean> > and> > > > stating that "I am responsible for all the turbulences" should > not> > be> > > > taken literally even though a glimpse of truth is in it; But > if the> > > > ocean tells that "I am responsible for all the turbulences" > then may> > > be> > > > it could be more near to truth; but the ocean never does it > because> > > even> > > > the turbulences itself are just part of ocean itself!!!]> > > > So the end note is, It is better to assume that - God is > responsible> > > > for every thing good and bad; and god IS everything good and > bad.> > i.e.> > > > Even the good and bad events ARE god; that too is part of > existence,> > > > divinity.> > > > Love and regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > >> > > > , "renunw" > renunw@> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > > >> > > > > You have got me wrong. I neither said all divine/good is god > nor> > > that> > > > > all bad is not god. I agree with Bhaskar ji when he says > that god> > is> > > > > not responsible for all calamities. At the same time I > disagree> > with> > > > > may be almost everyone here...that god is responsible for > all good> > > > > things in the world. I should be responsible for my own well > being> > > or> > > > my> > > > > own destruction, and not anyone else. Mind is the forerunner > of> > > > > everything. It is our mind that we need to control so that we> > could> > > > > accept everything with equanimity, whether good or bad.> > > > >> > > > > Returning to 'karma' theory....... at the end even law of > karma> > will> > > > > surrender to natural laws.> > > > >> > > > > "God is the ultimate oneness - within and outside, > everywhere"> > > > >> > > > > In this I feel there is some truth worthy of investigating > through> > > > > meditation...thanks.> > > > >> > > > > blessings> > > > >> > > > > Renu> > > > >> > > > > blessings> > > > >> > > > > Renu> > > >> > >> >>

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Dear Krishnamurthy ji, That was beautiful! :)Love and regards,Sreenadh

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Neelam ji,

A nice story for non-believers to take a good lesson. But unfortunately, non-belivers get eaten by tigers and will not listen to the divine voice.

Neelem ji, you have been doing good job as an astrologer as well as promoting the ideas of social and spiritual capital. GOD bless you to continue to contribute to the group.

with greetings,Davendra K. Gupta