Guest guest Posted December 28, 2008 Report Share Posted December 28, 2008 Dear Chiranjiv ji, ==>A planets strength - thorough , not just by 1 or 2 parameters, can be inferred by looking at all the varga charts.<== How many vargas are there? Countless?! If so the approach is not going to help. We should have a clear idea - How many vargas? * The first answer is only one - that is Navamsa. Since Navamsa and Nakshatramsa are the same - the most important Amsa/Varga is Navamsa. So first we should learn how to understand Navamsa and the related result interpretation. * The second answer is 12 Vargas - because there are 12 signs and the vargas point to the inter mixing (of significance/nature) of those 12 signs to each other. * The third answer is shad vargas (6 vargas) - since this approach based on planetary lords (rather than divisions of signs themselves) help us especially to understand the strength of planets; and is an independent predictive approach. But there is a major point we should not forget during this study - The point of discussion here is vargas and not varga charts. First thing first. Therefore as Srinivas ji started and pointed to - we should stick to Navamsa (9th division = nava amsa, 9th multiple = nava varga) interpretation alone as of now; and should try to understand it in a better way. Love and regards,Sreenadh , chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv wrote:>> Dear SSji & All,> A planets strength - thorough , not just by 1 or 2 parameters, can be inferred by looking at all the varga charts.> For Bhavas too or the things denoted by Bhavas - for eg. spouse, education, parents, wealth etc - the use of varga charts is imp.> Â > Thanks & Regards> Â > Chiranjiv Mehta> > --- On Thu, 25/12/08, sreeram srinivas sreeram64 wrote:> > sreeram srinivas sreeram64 Navamsa> > Thursday, 25 December, 2008, 11:09 PM> > > > > > > > Dear Members,> > Would request members to share their simplistic views on why we have to> look into vargas apart from natal chart, irrespective of the method of> looking at Vargas as a inherent part of natal chart or as a separate> chart.> > With regards,> > Sreeram_Srinivas> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger./invite/> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2008 Report Share Posted December 28, 2008 Dear Sreeram ji, *Profound statements come out in simplistic views,* if that is what you're aiming for! You've asked about vargas, but navamsha being the queen of vargas, I am treating it separately. The importance of navamsha can never be overstated. *Simply stating, some utilities for navamsha are hidden in these often used symbolics:* - Rashi chart is the Deha (body) and Navamsha is the Meru-dand (backbone).With a sickly backbone, body cannot function properly? - Rashi chart is the tree while navamsa is the fruit. I may have got a mango tree, but a fruitless one. - Rashi chart is like a photograph while navamsha is the x-ray. One looks healthy and smart in a picture, but the x-ray shows where afflictions exist or vice versa, one is sickly in a picture, but the x-ray depicts strong structure and health. - Rashi chart is sthool vibhag, whereas navamsha is sookshm vibhag. *Some simple practical uses of navamsha in my opinion:* - More than 4 planets improving in navamsh, high rise in life. Some authors attach even more importance to navamsha than the rashi chart. Mantreshwara says, swochche neechamshge dukhih, swochchamsge sukhih. - Both Parashari and Jaimini Rajyogas/yogas fructify if repeated in navamsh. - Inherent strengths of planets as lords and/or karakas e.g vargottam, etc are to be confirmed in navamsh. - The real story of planets unfolds in navamsha. (principles of dispositors, rashi-tulya navamsh, navamsh-tulya rashi, etc) - Planets' position in navamsh show the results of antar and pratyantar - Spouse-related issues are to be seen in navamsha - Certain navamsha positions are specially significant (64th. 88,108 nav etc) Beyond this, we have classics like Saravali, Nashta Jataka, Yavana Jataka, Nakshatra Chudamani, etc. describing traits and results, etc. of navamsha positions of planets and rising navamshas etc., which may be applied. CSP has done extensive work on predictive uses of navamsha and an indepth study of his work will reveal many hidden treasures within this chart. Regards Neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2008 Report Share Posted December 28, 2008 Dear Mr. Bohra ji, //In navmansa We are looking for the real strength of each and every one planets and the Ascendant// You are very close to the point..... will rephrase it in my next message.....after we get other member views also... With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 Dear All, In the light of the beautiful Tamil quote provided by Sathiyanarayana ji, I think it would be useful to look at the following quote - Uccharke Neechamse Rajaputro(a)pi neechatam gaschati Navamsa veerya prabalo vivasvan naram prasoote satatam manojnam Vichitra malyabharanam sukhadhyam prasantachittam nirujam suseelam Suryo navamsaka veeryaheeno karoti martyam priyavigraham cha Vishagni sastra jwara pittabhajam piturjananya vikritopacharam (Shatvarga bhala prakash) [if the navamsa of exalted Sun falls in debilitated Navamsa (Libra navamska) then, even if the native is the son of a king, he will leave a poor life (and will never become king). If navamsa is also powerful (e.g. exalted sun in exalted Navamsa) then, the native would be very handsome, utmost happiness with numerous cloths and ornaments (wealthy), with clear and happy mind, will not have any disease and will have good habits. If Sun is weak in Navamsa (e.g. exalted sun in debilitated navamsa) then the native would be handsome, but will be affected with poison, fire, weapons, fever (all qualities of sun, affective native negatively) and will not get good treatment from father and mother] Hope this descriptive sloka clarifies the result variance that happens if Sun is exaltation - either in exalted navamsa or in debilitated navamsa. Love and regards, Sreenadh , "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote: Re:Navamsa Dear Satyanarayam ji, Thanks again for that effort!==> Raasi(rasi) irukku (may bestow)arasu aalvathRku(powers to rein) aanaal (but)amsam( amsa phalam) veenNtumae( is required for) aatchi cheyya ( to rein)<==Raasi irukku arasu aalvathRku, aanaal amsam veenNtumae aatchi cheyya [sign may bestow powers to rein, but varga result is required to rein] Means in a horoscope - if the planets are well placed (e.g. 4 planets in own house or exaltation) the native will have the power to rein (has the power/qualities to become a king), but if the navamsa of some of those planets are in debilitation - the native will never rein! (will never become a king). A king without a kingdom - interesting! Love and regards,Sreenadh > , Sathiyanarayana Gupta> gupta816@ wrote:> >> > Namaste,> > Your transliteration conveys what I meant;however I make my earnest> attempt in translating the adage in verbatim(to the extant possible) as> required by you.> >> >> Raasi(rasi) irukku (may bestow)arasu aalvathRku(powers to rein) aanaal> (but)amsam( amsa phalam) veenNtumae( is required for) aatchi cheyya ( to> rein)> >> >> > bhagavathi_hariharan bhagavathi_hariharan@ wrote:> Dear Guptaji,> >> > Thank you for the tamil quote. It would really help if you translate> > the saying as it is, without changing the contents for the benefit of> > everyone. It took some time for me to figure out. I am rewriting it> > as follows:> >> > Rasi irukku arasu aalvatharku, anaal amsam vendume aatchi cheyya> >> > Rasi is there for the king to occupy the throne, but the navamsa is> > needed for him to rule> >> > Regards,> >> > bhagavathi> >> > , Sathiyanarayana> > Gupta gupta816@ wrote:> > >> > > Namaste,> > >> > > A Tamil adage goes like this"raasi irukku arasu aalvathRku aanaal> > amsam veenNtumae aatchi cheyya", meaning Raasi sometimes explains> > external grace but amsa always narrates accomplishments.> > > Experienced Astrologer observes predictable,by comparative study> > from various amsa by sieving through Raasi .> > >> > > With regards,> > > D.Sathiyanarayana Gupta.> > >> > > Bhaskar rajiventerprises@ wrote:> > > THE NATAL CHART SHOWS THAT THE GIRL IS SMART, BEAUTIFUL AND VERY> > DYNAMIC, BUT WHERE SHE WILL GO AND WHAT SHE WILL DO IN LIFE, IS SHOWN> > BY THE NAVAMSA CHART.> > > Convert this and translate the symbolics to every human being on> > earth with a Horoscope, and this will show the importance of the> > Navamsha chart.> > > regards,> > > Bhaskar.> > >> > >> > > , "smith_ak1971"> > <anilsmi@> wrote:> > > >> > > > , "sreeram> > srinivas"> > > > sreeram64@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Members,> > > > >> > > > > Would request members to share their simplistic views on why we> > have to> > > > > look into vargas apart from natal chart, irrespective of the> > method of> > > > > looking at Vargas as a inherent part of natal chart or as a> > separate> > > > > chart.> > > > >> > > > > With regards,> > > > >> > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas> > > > >> > > >> > > > dear all,> > > >> > > > am just giving a go..> > > >> > > > We look at vargas, to look at the strength of planets> > > > to see the particular field of life in more detail and confirm> > > > whatever is told in the rashi> > > > to see more about relations between planets> > > >> > > > I think we need examples on these and more points.> > > >> > > > With regards,> > > > smitha> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 Dear Sreenadh-ji, Is there such quote(s) for other planets? I am interested (selfishly) in Mercury. Please do educate me... Regards, Souvik , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > Dear All, > In the light of the beautiful Tamil quote provided by > Sathiyanarayana ji, I think it would be useful to look at the > following quote - > Uccharke Neechamse Rajaputro(a)pi neechatam gaschati > Navamsa veerya prabalo vivasvan naram prasoote satatam manojnam > Vichitra malyabharanam sukhadhyam prasantachittam nirujam suseelam > Suryo navamsaka veeryaheeno karoti martyam priyavigraham cha > Vishagni sastra jwara pittabhajam piturjananya vikritopacharam > > (Shatvarga bhala prakash) > [if the navamsa of exalted Sun falls in debilitated Navamsa (Libra > navamska) then, even if the native is the son of a king, he will leave a > poor life (and will never become king). If navamsa is also powerful > (e.g. exalted sun in exalted Navamsa) then, the native would be very > handsome, utmost happiness with numerous cloths and ornaments (wealthy), > with clear and happy mind, will not have any disease and will have good > habits. If Sun is weak in Navamsa (e.g. exalted sun in debilitated > navamsa) then the native would be handsome, but will be affected with > poison, fire, weapons, fever (all qualities of sun, affective native > negatively) and will not get good treatment from father and mother] > Hope this descriptive sloka clarifies the result variance that > happens if Sun is exaltation - either in exalted navamsa or in > debilitated navamsa. > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > > , " Sreenadh " > <sreesog@> wrote: > > Re:Navamsa > Dear Satyanarayam ji, > Thanks again for that effort! > ==> > Raasi(rasi) irukku (may bestow)arasu aalvathRku(powers to rein) aanaal > (but)amsam( amsa phalam) veenNtumae( is required for) aatchi cheyya ( to > rein) > <== > > Raasi irukku arasu aalvathRku, aanaal amsam veenNtumae aatchi cheyya > [sign may bestow powers to rein, but varga result is required to rein] > > Means in a horoscope - if the planets are well placed (e.g. 4 planets > in own house or exaltation) the native will have the power to rein (has > the power/qualities to become a king), but if the navamsa of some of > those planets are in debilitation - the native will never rein! (will > never become a king). A king without a kingdom - interesting! > > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > > > , Sathiyanarayana Gupta > > gupta816@ wrote: > > > > > > Namaste, > > > Your transliteration conveys what I meant;however I make my earnest > > attempt in translating the adage in verbatim(to the extant possible) > as > > required by you. > > > > > > > > Raasi(rasi) irukku (may bestow)arasu aalvathRku(powers to rein) > aanaal > > (but)amsam( amsa phalam) veenNtumae( is required for) aatchi cheyya ( > to > > rein) > > > > > > > > > bhagavathi_hariharan bhagavathi_hariharan@ wrote: > > Dear Guptaji, > > > > > > Thank you for the tamil quote. It would really help if you > translate > > > the saying as it is, without changing the contents for the benefit > of > > > everyone. It took some time for me to figure out. I am rewriting it > > > as follows: > > > > > > Rasi irukku arasu aalvatharku, anaal amsam vendume aatchi cheyya > > > > > > Rasi is there for the king to occupy the throne, but the navamsa is > > > needed for him to rule > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > bhagavathi > > > > > > , Sathiyanarayana > > > Gupta gupta816@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > A Tamil adage goes like this " raasi irukku arasu aalvathRku aanaal > > > amsam veenNtumae aatchi cheyya " , meaning Raasi sometimes explains > > > external grace but amsa always narrates accomplishments. > > > > Experienced Astrologer observes predictable,by comparative study > > > from various amsa by sieving through Raasi . > > > > > > > > With regards, > > > > D.Sathiyanarayana Gupta. > > > > > > > > Bhaskar rajiventerprises@ wrote: > > > > THE NATAL CHART SHOWS THAT THE GIRL IS SMART, BEAUTIFUL AND VERY > > > DYNAMIC, BUT WHERE SHE WILL GO AND WHAT SHE WILL DO IN LIFE, IS > SHOWN > > > BY THE NAVAMSA CHART. > > > > Convert this and translate the symbolics to every human being on > > > earth with a Horoscope, and this will show the importance of the > > > Navamsha chart. > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , " smith_ak1971 " > > > <anilsmi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > , " sreeram > > > srinivas " > > > > > sreeram64@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > Would request members to share their simplistic views on why > we > > > have to > > > > > > look into vargas apart from natal chart, irrespective of the > > > method of > > > > > > looking at Vargas as a inherent part of natal chart or as a > > > separate > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear all, > > > > > > > > > > am just giving a go.. > > > > > > > > > > We look at vargas, to look at the strength of planets > > > > > to see the particular field of life in more detail and confirm > > > > > whatever is told in the rashi > > > > > to see more about relations between planets > > > > > > > > > > I think we need examples on these and more points. > > > > > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > smitha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2008 Report Share Posted December 31, 2008 Dear Sreenadh ji, Thanks for your reply. Sunil --- On Wed, 12/31/08, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Sreenadh <sreesog Re: Navamsa Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 5:38 AM Dear Sunil Sharma ji, ==> > So, is it safe to say that, in effect, Buddh--aditya yoga is about intelligence? <== Yes. Su-Me Yoga is called Nipuna Yoga. Soul meets the intellect - and intelligence (effective use of the intellect) happens just naturally. Mercury is friend of Sun and is usually in sync with it in nature causing intelligence - providing positive effects, especially related to education. What ever the soul (Sun) meets, it purifies and causes its effective use, if not the same is in conflict with the soul (Original nature/Sun) itself! Thus it is easy to see that Sun (Soul)-Mo(Mind) -Ju (Consciousness) combination can lead to enlightenment if not in conflict with each other! But if in conflict with soul (true innate nature) then usually destruction follows than constructive application. Love and regards, Sreenadh ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ ....> wrote: > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > I realized it was a mistake. Therefore, did not bother to write about it. > So, is it safe to say that,in effect, Buddh--aditya yoga is about intelligence? > Regards > Sunil > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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