Regd Shani

[Guest guest]

Sir,

I am a new learner of astrology. Can someone tell something about the

effect of Sat in any house and aspects on any house. Is it true that

when Sat is aspecting any house it will decrease/negate the effect of

that house and will increase the effect where Sat is placed?

Thanks and regards,

 

Siddhartha Sen

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr.Sen,

 

What you are asking for,the answer can go into hundreds of

pages. Saturn as lord of benefic Houses would give a benefic

aspect and as lord of Malefic would give malefic aspect.

Apart from this it has a natural quality of delaying matters

and seperatative, for example if sitting with moon in the

4th house would cause the native to have Vairagya or detachement,

from home or domestic life, and such natives would take sanyas,

Saturn if strong is a Natural karaka(Significator)for Longevity,

and would give long life to the native. Saturn in Capricorn,

Acquarius and Libra would be strong. Its house of debilitation

would be the house where The Sun gets exalted, ie.Aries.

It aspects the 3rd, 7th and the 10th house from where it is sitting.

If it aspects its own house or its exaltation houses then naturally it

maks them stronger.

 

Saturn has been misunderstood by many foolish so called astrologers too

(What to speak of the common man),as malefic or bad, which is not the

case actually. No Planet can be good or bad.It is our actions which are

good or bad , and the effects from the various planets are in responses

to those actions of ours. The planets are the manifestation of God to

help us or reward us as per our Karmas. They are the Ministers

of God and by themselves not Malefic. Saturn is the least malefic if

one knows Saturn. It is the planet which can be very good for a

person who is morally and ethically right in his way of living, and

when it rewards to such a man, that reward no power on earth can take

away from the native. In the same way if a evil man

has to be punished, then no power on Earth can come in the way of that

punishment to pardon that man. It is always better

to Respect Saturn and its significations, do prayers, Saturday

visit to temples, treat subordinates affectionately, donate

food-clothing to old, and just be a good person to gain the

grace of Saturn.

 

Remember that Saturn is the Lord of the 10th (Karma) and the

11th (house of profits) in the natural Horoscope, so Saturn can

never be bad,only the person facing punishment is bad and not saturn.

Saturn is like a Teacher who rewards or punishes, as per the students

activity witnessed.

 

Amen,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

, " sen_astro " <sen_astro wrote:

>

> Sir,

> I am a new learner of astrology. Can someone tell something about the

> effect of Sat in any house and aspects on any house. Is it true that

> when Sat is aspecting any house it will decrease/negate the effect of

> that house and will increase the effect where Sat is placed?

> Thanks and regards,

>

> Siddhartha Sen

>

[Guest guest]

Bhaskar ji,

Thanks for an excellent article on God Shani.

Regards / Anand

 

 

"Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish To: Subject: Re: Regd ShaniWed, 21 Mar 2007 05:31:38 -0000

 

 

 

Dear Mr.Sen,What you are asking for,the answer can go into hundreds ofpages. Saturn as lord of benefic Houses would give a benefic aspect and as lord of Malefic would give malefic aspect.Apart from this it has a natural quality of delaying matters and seperatative, for example if sitting with moon in the4th house would cause the native to have Vairagya or detachement,from home or domestic life, and such natives would take sanyas, Saturn if strong is a Natural karaka(Significator)for Longevity,and would give long life to the native. Saturn in Capricorn,Acquarius and Libra would be strong. Its house of debilitationwould be the house where The Sun gets exalted, ie.Aries. It aspects the 3rd, 7th and the 10th house from where it is sitting.If it aspects its own house or its exaltation houses then naturally it maks them stronger. Saturn has been misunderstood by many foolish so called astrologers too (What to speak of the common man),as malefic or bad, which is not the case actually. No Planet can be good or bad.It is our actions which are good or bad , and the effects from the various planets are in responses to those actions of ours. The planets are the manifestation of God to help us or reward us as per our Karmas. They are the Ministersof God and by themselves not Malefic. Saturn is the least malefic ifone knows Saturn. It is the planet which can be very good for aperson who is morally and ethically right in his way of living, andwhen it rewards to such a man, that reward no power on earth can take away from the native. In the same way if a evil manhas to be punished, then no power on Earth can come in the way of that punishment to pardon that man. It is always betterto Respect Saturn and its significations, do prayers, Saturday visit to temples, treat subordinates affectionately, donatefood-clothing to old, and just be a good person to gain thegrace of Saturn.Remember that Saturn is the Lord of the 10th (Karma) and the 11th (house of profits) in the natural Horoscope, so Saturn can never be bad,only the person facing punishment is bad and not saturn. Saturn is like a Teacher who rewards or punishes, as per the studentsactivity witnessed.Amen,Bhaskar. , "sen_astro" <sen_astro wrote:>> Sir,> I am a new learner of astrology. Can someone tell something about the > effect of Sat in any house and aspects on any house. Is it true that > when Sat is aspecting any house it will decrease/negate the effect of > that house and will increase the effect where Sat is placed?> Thanks and regards,> > Siddhartha Sen>

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr. Bhaskar,

First of ou will have to withdraw your words " follish

astrologers " . Using thwew words you stated that you

are also onf them. Because you are also an astrologer.

Astrologer can not be fool. Secondly I agree with you

that no planet can be good or bad but it is the Karmas

of ours that make us to face glad or disstes. But

still when we state about perticular planet what it

means is the person is under the great influance of

that palne. Here is the princile applies that: Guru

should be judged from the behavious of Shishya,

Teacher chould be judged from the intellectuals of

student, Father should be judged from act of Son and

so on. Basically this the way astrology has been set

/concluded thru predictions point of view. So yes, I

do firmly state that saturn is absolutely worst

irrespective the house where it is situated exception

is only aquarius and libra ascendednt. There a crores

of example of malefic resulst and disatersin peoples'

life that of saturn literally distroying their life. I

agree that it is a result of their past deeds but it

is delegated by saturn. And i is decided by hundreds

of great astrologer to whome we alway lean our knees

an heads. But here you had used fooloish wored shows

your greatness(?). How ever it is not necessary alway

that your readings are correcr other's are wrong. You

too think genuinly without having grudges against

astrologers. I had stated clearly that irrespective of

saturn's house it will always tewnd to create

disasters in native's life.

I don't mind if you disagree with me but still I will

never state that you are foolish

 

SANT GURUJI

--- Anand Ballabh Joshi <a_b_joshi wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Bhaskar ji,

 

Thanks for an excellent article on God Shani.

 

Regards / Anand

 

 

 

 

" Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

 

 

Re: Regd Shani

Wed, 21 Mar 2007 05:31:38 -0000

 

 

Dear Mr.Sen,

 

What you are asking for,the answer can go into

hundreds of

pages. Saturn as lord of benefic Houses would give a

benefic

aspect and as lord of Malefic would give malefic

aspect.

Apart from this it has a natural quality of delaying

matters

and seperatative, for example if sitting with moon in

the

4th house would cause the native to have Vairagya or

detachement,

from home or domestic life, and such natives would

take sanyas,

Saturn if strong is a Natural karaka(Significator)for

Longevity,

and would give long life to the native. Saturn in

Capricorn,

Acquarius and Libra would be strong. Its house of

debilitation

would be the house where The Sun gets exalted,

ie.Aries.

It aspects the 3rd, 7th and the 10th house from where

it is sitting.

If it aspects its own house or its exaltation houses

then naturally it

maks them stronger.

 

Saturn has been misunderstood by many foolish so

called astrologers too

(What to speak of the common man),as malefic or bad,

which is not the

case actually. No Planet can be good or bad.It is our

actions which are

good or bad , and the effects from the various planets

are in responses

to those actions of ours. The planets are the

manifestation of God to

help us or reward us as per our Karmas. They are the

Ministers

of God and by themselves not Malefic. Saturn is the

least malefic if

one knows Saturn. It is the planet which can be very

good for a

person who is morally and ethically right in his way

of living, and

when it rewards to such a man, that reward no power on

earth can take

away from the native. In the same way if a evil man

has to be punished, then no power on Earth can come in

the way of that

punishment to pardon that man. It is always better

to Respect Saturn and its significations, do prayers,

Saturday

visit to temples, treat subordinates affectionately,

donate

food-clothing to old, and just be a good person to

gain the

grace of Saturn.

 

Remember that Saturn is the Lord of the 10th (Karma)

and the

11th (house of profits) in the natural Horoscope, so

Saturn can

never be bad,only the person facing punishment is bad

and not saturn.

Saturn is like a Teacher who rewards or punishes, as

per the students

activity witnessed.

 

Amen,

Bhaskar.

 

, " sen_astro "

<sen_astro wrote:

>

> Sir,

> I am a new learner of astrology. Can someone tell

something about the

> effect of Sat in any house and aspects on any house.

Is it true that

> when Sat is aspecting any house it will

decrease/negate the effect of

> that house and will increase the effect where Sat is

placed?

> Thanks and regards,

>

> Siddhartha Sen

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Santji,

 

That word was not meant for You specially.

If You felt like that I am sorry. I only meant

to say that no Planet is bad. Planet Saturn has

been given both powers, to reward as well as punish.

Just because it does not get to use the powers to

reward because of bad karmas mostly prevalent in

society, we cannot call Saturn bad. there are

many natives who have also done very

well in Saturn Dashas (Progressions) who

will vouch for Saturns goodness in their cases.

I confirm no Planet is good or bad. They

are dual in Nature, and duality does exist

on Earth and in this world. The Planets

are just instruments

in delivering the results due for each

individual. In Saturns case the punishment

is prolonged and leads man to spirituality

and thoughts of futility of material pleasures

in the end, after the punishment is met with,

and makes a man more sober,

and worldly wise.

 

When we use the term " Bad men " it does not bring in all

the humanity in picture, the term is used only for men who are evil.

Same way when we

say " Foolish astrologers " it does not mean

bringing in the whole fraternity of astrologers in picture. It is

meant for astrologers who give

a misleading picture in the minds of gullible folks.

I do not mind if I am called a foolish astrologer. Personally I do

not think of myself

even as a astrologer in the

strictest sense. I have my own definitions of a astrologer, and have

set very high standards, where

I have not reached uptil the mark and a long way to go. I just feel

myself

as a eternal student all the time and nothing more. Now thats a

seperate matter that we use the

word " Astrologer " against our names, which just denotes a particular

field I am into. But does not mean that

I am a good astrologer or a astrologer in the strictest sense and

meaning of the term. Just like politicians have " Minister' against

their names, but may

not be real leaders or strictly Ministers in the real sense of the

term.

I have never showed any greatness or portrayed, for I am not great. I

am a humble servant of God here to help and bring in the Divine

science of astrology to

the seekers who wish to study and help few natives, who I may be able

to.

My readings can never be correct all the times. No human beings can

be. Astrology would always remain a Perfect science

in the hands of Imperfect Humans. Thats it.

 

I would have no qualms in calling myself foolish , when I act so at

certain

times. We cannot be smart or wise all the 16 working hours of the

day. there are bound to be certain moments when we

act foolishly or utter something stupid or behave in a unnatural

illogical manner.

At such times if pointed out, i would accept my mistake sportingly.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

, Niranjan Sant

<shreegauriassociates01 wrote:

>

> Dear Mr. Bhaskar,

> First of ou will have to withdraw your words " follish

> astrologers " . Using thwew words you stated that you

> are also onf them. Because you are also an astrologer.

> Astrologer can not be fool. Secondly I agree with you

> that no planet can be good or bad but it is the Karmas

> of ours that make us to face glad or disstes. But

> still when we state about perticular planet what it

> means is the person is under the great influance of

> that palne. Here is the princile applies that: Guru

> should be judged from the behavious of Shishya,

> Teacher chould be judged from the intellectuals of

> student, Father should be judged from act of Son and

> so on. Basically this the way astrology has been set

> /concluded thru predictions point of view. So yes, I

> do firmly state that saturn is absolutely worst

> irrespective the house where it is situated exception

> is only aquarius and libra ascendednt. There a crores

> of example of malefic resulst and disatersin peoples'

> life that of saturn literally distroying their life. I

> agree that it is a result of their past deeds but it

> is delegated by saturn. And i is decided by hundreds

> of great astrologer to whome we alway lean our knees

> an heads. But here you had used fooloish wored shows

> your greatness(?). How ever it is not necessary alway

> that your readings are correcr other's are wrong. You

> too think genuinly without having grudges against

> astrologers. I had stated clearly that irrespective of

> saturn's house it will always tewnd to create

> disasters in native's life.

> I don't mind if you disagree with me but still I will

> never state that you are foolish

>

> SANT GURUJI

> --- Anand Ballabh Joshi <a_b_joshi wrote:

>

>

>

>

>

> Bhaskar ji,

>

> Thanks for an excellent article on God Shani.

>

> Regards / Anand

>

>

>

>

> " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

>

>

> Re: Regd Shani

> Wed, 21 Mar 2007 05:31:38 -0000

>

>

> Dear Mr.Sen,

>

> What you are asking for,the answer can go into

> hundreds of

> pages. Saturn as lord of benefic Houses would give a

> benefic

> aspect and as lord of Malefic would give malefic

> aspect.

> Apart from this it has a natural quality of delaying

> matters

> and seperatative, for example if sitting with moon in

> the

> 4th house would cause the native to have Vairagya or

> detachement,

> from home or domestic life, and such natives would

> take sanyas,

> Saturn if strong is a Natural karaka(Significator)for

> Longevity,

> and would give long life to the native. Saturn in

> Capricorn,

> Acquarius and Libra would be strong. Its house of

> debilitation

> would be the house where The Sun gets exalted,

> ie.Aries.

> It aspects the 3rd, 7th and the 10th house from where

> it is sitting.

> If it aspects its own house or its exaltation houses

> then naturally it

> maks them stronger.

>

> Saturn has been misunderstood by many foolish so

> called astrologers too

> (What to speak of the common man),as malefic or bad,

> which is not the

> case actually. No Planet can be good or bad.It is our

> actions which are

> good or bad , and the effects from the various planets

> are in responses

> to those actions of ours. The planets are the

> manifestation of God to

> help us or reward us as per our Karmas. They are the

> Ministers

> of God and by themselves not Malefic. Saturn is the

> least malefic if

> one knows Saturn. It is the planet which can be very

> good for a

> person who is morally and ethically right in his way

> of living, and

> when it rewards to such a man, that reward no power on

> earth can take

> away from the native. In the same way if a evil man

> has to be punished, then no power on Earth can come in

> the way of that

> punishment to pardon that man. It is always better

> to Respect Saturn and its significations, do prayers,

> Saturday

> visit to temples, treat subordinates affectionately,

> donate

> food-clothing to old, and just be a good person to

> gain the

> grace of Saturn.

>

> Remember that Saturn is the Lord of the 10th (Karma)

> and the

> 11th (house of profits) in the natural Horoscope, so

> Saturn can

> never be bad,only the person facing punishment is bad

> and not saturn.

> Saturn is like a Teacher who rewards or punishes, as

> per the students

> activity witnessed.

>

> Amen,

> Bhaskar.

>

> , " sen_astro "

> <sen_astro@> wrote:

> >

> > Sir,

> > I am a new learner of astrology. Can someone tell

> something about the

> > effect of Sat in any house and aspects on any house.

> Is it true that

> > when Sat is aspecting any house it will

> decrease/negate the effect of

> > that house and will increase the effect where Sat is

> placed?

> > Thanks and regards,

> >

> > Siddhartha Sen

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

________

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> http://in.answers./

>

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ll HARE RAM ll Dear Bhaskar Bhai, Ram Ram, In fact you are absolutely right that no one Planet is bad or good but like the human being each planet has their own nature.Therefore if we think about the Shani we find it clearly that it is not soft at least a bit harsh and cruel upto the some extent.I am agree it can give a lot in its Mahadasa or Anterdasa but at the same time it will remove the softness of that person.Yes it can gives Vairagya if placed with Moon in 4th but this

Vairagya will not be originated by Gyan as happened with Lord Budha.A bit dejection or depression will be the cause of such Vairagya. Shani is the planet of justice and clever by nature. Therefore it does justice giving warning to the native coming again and again as Saade-Saati or Dhaiyaa got remembered him for doing good Karmas. Vedic Jyotish defines it as "SKILLED IN ALL KIND OF WICKEDNESS" and according to western astrology "MUCH LYING AND MUCH LAWING ONE AGAINST ANOTHER,AND GREAT PRISONMENT."Saturn makes a person "LIKE A PLANT WITH SOUND ROOTS." and shows ground reality removing all the fake illusions. God bless Shashie Shekhar Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Dear Santji,That word was not meant for You specially. If You felt like that I am sorry. I only meantto say that no Planet is bad. Planet Saturn has been given both powers, to reward as well as punish.Just because it does not get to use the powers toreward because of bad karmas mostly prevalent insociety, we cannot call Saturn bad. there aremany natives who have also done verywell in Saturn Dashas

(Progressions) whowill vouch for Saturns goodness in their cases.I confirm no Planet is good or bad. Theyare dual in Nature, and duality does existon Earth and in this world. The Planetsare just instrumentsin delivering the results due for eachindividual. In Saturns case the punishment is prolonged and leads man to spiritualityand thoughts of futility of material pleasuresin the end, after the punishment is met with, and makes a man more sober,and worldly wise.When we use the term "Bad men" it does not bring in allthe humanity in picture, the term is used only for men who are evil. Same way when wesay "Foolish astrologers" it does not mean bringing in the whole fraternity of astrologers in picture. It is meant for astrologers who givea misleading picture in the minds of gullible folks.I do not mind if I am called a foolish astrologer. Personally I do not think of myself even as a

astrologer in thestrictest sense. I have my own definitions of a astrologer, and haveset very high standards, whereI have not reached uptil the mark and a long way to go. I just feel myselfas a eternal student all the time and nothing more. Now thats a seperate matter that we use theword "Astrologer" against our names, which just denotes a particular field I am into. But does not mean thatI am a good astrologer or a astrologer in the strictest sense and meaning of the term. Just like politicians have "Minister' against their names, but maynot be real leaders or strictly Ministers in the real sense of the term. I have never showed any greatness or portrayed, for I am not great. I am a humble servant of God here to help and bring in the Divine science of astrology tothe seekers who wish to study and help few natives, who I may be able to.My readings can never be correct all the times. No human beings

can be. Astrology would always remain a Perfect sciencein the hands of Imperfect Humans. Thats it.I would have no qualms in calling myself foolish , when I act so at certaintimes. We cannot be smart or wise all the 16 working hours of the day. there are bound to be certain moments when weact foolishly or utter something stupid or behave in a unnatural illogical manner.At such times if pointed out, i would accept my mistake sportingly.regards,Bhaskar. , Niranjan Sant wrote:>> Dear Mr. Bhaskar,> First of ou will have to withdraw your words "follish> astrologers". Using thwew words you stated that you> are also onf them. Because you are also an astrologer.> Astrologer can not be fool. Secondly I agree with you> that no planet can be good or bad but it is the Karmas> of ours that

make us to face glad or disstes. But> still when we state about perticular planet what it> means is the person is under the great influance of> that palne. Here is the princile applies that: Guru> should be judged from the behavious of Shishya,> Teacher chould be judged from the intellectuals of> student, Father should be judged from act of Son and> so on. Basically this the way astrology has been set> /concluded thru predictions point of view. So yes, I> do firmly state that saturn is absolutely worst> irrespective the house where it is situated exception> is only aquarius and libra ascendednt. There a crores> of example of malefic resulst and disatersin peoples'> life that of saturn literally distroying their life. I> agree that it is a result of their past deeds but it> is delegated by saturn. And i is decided by hundreds> of great astrologer to whome we alway

lean our knees> an heads. But here you had used fooloish wored shows> your greatness(?). How ever it is not necessary alway> that your readings are correcr other's are wrong. You> too think genuinly without having grudges against> astrologers. I had stated clearly that irrespective of> saturn's house it will always tewnd to create> disasters in native's life.> I don't mind if you disagree with me but still I will> never state that you are foolish> > SANT GURUJI> --- Anand Ballabh Joshi wrote:> > > > > > Bhaskar ji,> > Thanks for an excellent article on God Shani.> > Regards / Anand> > > > > "Bhaskar" > > To:

> Re: Regd Shani> Wed, 21 Mar 2007 05:31:38 -0000> > > Dear Mr.Sen,> > What you are asking for,the answer can go into> hundreds of> pages. Saturn as lord of benefic Houses would give a> benefic > aspect and as lord of Malefic would give malefic> aspect.> Apart from this it has a natural quality of delaying> matters > and seperatative, for example if sitting with moon in> the> 4th house would cause the native to have Vairagya or> detachement,> from home or domestic life, and such natives would> take sanyas, > Saturn if strong is a Natural karaka(Significator)for> Longevity,> and would give long life to the native. Saturn in> Capricorn,> Acquarius and Libra would be strong. Its house of> debilitation> would be the house where The

Sun gets exalted,> ie.Aries. > It aspects the 3rd, 7th and the 10th house from where> it is sitting.> If it aspects its own house or its exaltation houses> then naturally it > maks them stronger. > > Saturn has been misunderstood by many foolish so> called astrologers too > (What to speak of the common man),as malefic or bad,> which is not the > case actually. No Planet can be good or bad.It is our> actions which are > good or bad , and the effects from the various planets> are in responses > to those actions of ours. The planets are the> manifestation of God to > help us or reward us as per our Karmas. They are the> Ministers> of God and by themselves not Malefic. Saturn is the> least malefic if> one knows Saturn. It is the planet which can be very> good for a> person who is morally and ethically right in

his way> of living, and> when it rewards to such a man, that reward no power on> earth can take > away from the native. In the same way if a evil man> has to be punished, then no power on Earth can come in> the way of that > punishment to pardon that man. It is always better> to Respect Saturn and its significations, do prayers,> Saturday > visit to temples, treat subordinates affectionately,> donate> food-clothing to old, and just be a good person to> gain the> grace of Saturn.> > Remember that Saturn is the Lord of the 10th (Karma)> and the > 11th (house of profits) in the natural Horoscope, so> Saturn can > never be bad,only the person facing punishment is bad> and not saturn. > Saturn is like a Teacher who rewards or punishes, as> per the students> activity witnessed.> > Amen,>

Bhaskar.> > , "sen_astro"> wrote:> >> > Sir,> > I am a new learner of astrology. Can someone tell> something about the > > effect of Sat in any house and aspects on any house.> Is it true that > > when Sat is aspecting any house it will> decrease/negate the effect of > > that house and will increase the effect where Sat is> placed?> > Thanks and regards,> > > > Siddhartha Sen> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________> India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new> http://in.answers./>

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dear vibrant scholars of astrology, I am gratful to all those who have initiated a healthy discussion, more pointedly to Saturn. I would suggest that we should regard the potentials which influence the living ang non living kindom on earth. When the saouls is directed to transcend on mother Earth, Almighty ordains that the sould should choose a suitable place, parents and time in tune with the Karmas. The birth presents a frame work called horoscope, which is considered a tool to decipher how the planets would influence the life of the native. however, every planet has a peculiarity. Saturn in itself is rightrly called a cold planet because it is hardly

concerned with tenderness but state forwardness. therefore, it is slow and study but definite in a particular direction. Saturn has three phases of human life cycle. first 29 1/2 years for preparation of life and seeking a suitable place in the society. the 2nd pjase reflects a stage of improving the status of the place the native has prepared for himself in the 1st phase; and serve the society in preserving it pthroiugh propagation and rearing of the next generation and rendering service to the society for development and advancement. This 2nd pahse is very important for the native because that uses his energies in a destined manner, we may call it sacred or non sacred, for the self and the society,; because his energies are at its peak.This constructive and active comes to slow down as soon as we enter the 3rd phase of Satrun. This phase leaves the person with experience, skill, confidence and maturity. He on the strength of those elements leaps into the the 3rd phase of

life at 60.It is upto him how much advantage he can take from his life experiences. I would rather say'as destined'. Obviously, the thrusful energies began to dwindle down and experience and skill begins to substitute it to serve the society and the self in a more meanungful manner. If the person fails to take advantage of what the saturn has bestowwd on him through experience and skill, the Saturn as a straight forward teacher punishes for the negligence and throws obstacles and difficulties in his life. Otherwise, he is destined to become a prestigious person whom the society remembers for times to come. However, this is a long way that is clear and definite in the light of Saturn; and every person chooses his stage in that path. similarly all other planets have their own cycles but the trasit cycle of Saturn and progression of the Moon are in use more frequently and are important too. The present society is accustome to use the phrases like benefic, malefic,

cruel or gentle, wise or foolish just to differentiate between wrong and right. This is my conviction one may agree or disagree is his choice. however, i shall request that we should not be over reactive to the use of such sords by any one who desires to put up his views forceful;ly in his own way. with regard to all. rajchillar @.co.uk Shashie Shekhar <polite_astro wrote: ll HARE RAM ll Dear Bhaskar Bhai, Ram Ram, In fact you are absolutely right that no one Planet is bad or good but like the human being each planet has their own nature.Therefore if we think about the Shani we find it clearly that it is not soft at least a bit harsh and cruel upto the some extent.I am agree it can give a lot in its Mahadasa or Anterdasa but at the same time it will remove the softness of that person.Yes it can gives Vairagya if placed with Moon in 4th but this Vairagya will not be originated by

Gyan as happened with Lord Budha.A bit dejection or depression will be the cause of such Vairagya. Shani is the planet of justice and clever by nature. Therefore it does justice giving warning to the native coming again and again as Saade-Saati or Dhaiyaa got remembered him for doing good Karmas. Vedic Jyotish defines it as "SKILLED IN ALL KIND OF WICKEDNESS" and according to western astrology "MUCH LYING AND MUCH LAWING ONE AGAINST ANOTHER,AND GREAT PRISONMENT."Saturn makes a person "LIKE A PLANT WITH SOUND ROOTS." and shows ground reality removing all the fake illusions. God bless Shashie Shekhar Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Santji,That word was not meant for You specially. If You felt like that I am sorry. I only meantto say that no Planet is bad. Planet Saturn has been given both powers, to reward as well as punish.Just because it does not get to use the powers toreward because of bad karmas mostly prevalent insociety, we cannot call Saturn bad. there aremany natives who have also done verywell in Saturn Dashas (Progressions) whowill vouch for Saturns goodness in their

cases.I confirm no Planet is good or bad. Theyare dual in Nature, and duality does existon Earth and in this world. The Planetsare just instrumentsin delivering the results due for eachindividual. In Saturns case the punishment is prolonged and leads man to spiritualityand thoughts of futility of material pleasuresin the end, after the punishment is met with, and makes a man more sober,and worldly wise.When we use the term "Bad men" it does not bring in allthe humanity in picture, the term is used only for men who are evil. Same way when wesay "Foolish astrologers" it does not mean bringing in the whole fraternity of astrologers in picture. It is meant for astrologers who givea misleading picture in the minds of gullible folks.I do not mind if I am called a foolish astrologer. Personally I do not think of myself even as a astrologer in thestrictest sense. I have my own definitions

of a astrologer, and haveset very high standards, whereI have not reached uptil the mark and a long way to go. I just feel myselfas a eternal student all the time and nothing more. Now thats a seperate matter that we use theword "Astrologer" against our names, which just denotes a particular field I am into. But does not mean thatI am a good astrologer or a astrologer in the strictest sense and meaning of the term. Just like politicians have "Minister' against their names, but maynot be real leaders or strictly Ministers in the real sense of the term. I have never showed any greatness or portrayed, for I am not great. I am a humble servant of God here to help and bring in the Divine science of astrology tothe seekers who wish to study and help few natives, who I may be able to.My readings can never be correct all the times. No human beings can be. Astrology would always remain a Perfect

sciencein the hands of Imperfect Humans. Thats it.I would have no qualms in calling myself foolish , when I act so at certaintimes. We cannot be smart or wise all the 16 working hours of the day. there are bound to be certain moments when weact foolishly or utter something stupid or behave in a unnatural illogical manner.At such times if pointed out, i would accept my mistake sportingly.regards,Bhaskar. , Niranjan Sant wrote:>> Dear Mr. Bhaskar,> First of ou will have to withdraw your words "follish> astrologers". Using thwew words you stated that you> are also onf them. Because you are also an astrologer.> Astrologer can not be fool. Secondly I agree with you> that no planet can be good or bad but it is the Karmas> of ours that make us to face glad or disstes.

But> still when we state about perticular planet what it> means is the person is under the great influance of> that palne. Here is the princile applies that: Guru> should be judged from the behavious of Shishya,> Teacher chould be judged from the intellectuals of> student, Father should be judged from act of Son and> so on. Basically this the way astrology has been set> /concluded thru predictions point of view. So yes, I> do firmly state that saturn is absolutely worst> irrespective the house where it is situated exception> is only aquarius and libra ascendednt. There a crores> of example of malefic resulst and disatersin peoples'> life that of saturn literally distroying their life. I> agree that it is a result of their past deeds but it> is delegated by saturn. And i is decided by hundreds> of great astrologer to whome we alway lean our knees> an heads.

But here you had used fooloish wored shows> your greatness(?). How ever it is not necessary alway> that your readings are correcr other's are wrong. You> too think genuinly without having grudges against> astrologers. I had stated clearly that irrespective of> saturn's house it will always tewnd to create> disasters in native's life.> I don't mind if you disagree with me but still I will> never state that you are foolish> > SANT GURUJI> --- Anand Ballabh Joshi wrote:> > > > > > Bhaskar ji,> > Thanks for an excellent article on God Shani.> > Regards / Anand> > > > > "Bhaskar" > > To:

> Re: Regd Shani> Wed, 21 Mar 2007 05:31:38 -0000> > > Dear Mr.Sen,> > What you are asking for,the answer can go into> hundreds of> pages. Saturn as lord of benefic Houses would give a> benefic > aspect and as lord of Malefic would give malefic> aspect.> Apart from this it has a natural quality of delaying> matters > and seperatative, for example if sitting with moon in> the> 4th house would cause the native to have Vairagya or> detachement,> from home or domestic life, and such natives would> take sanyas, > Saturn if strong is a Natural karaka(Significator)for> Longevity,> and would give long life to the native. Saturn in> Capricorn,> Acquarius and Libra would be strong. Its house of> debilitation> would be the

house where The Sun gets exalted,> ie.Aries. > It aspects the 3rd, 7th and the 10th house from where> it is sitting.> If it aspects its own house or its exaltation houses> then naturally it > maks them stronger. > > Saturn has been misunderstood by many foolish so> called astrologers too > (What to speak of the common man),as malefic or bad,> which is not the > case actually. No Planet can be good or bad.It is our> actions which are > good or bad , and the effects from the various planets> are in responses > to those actions of ours. The planets are the> manifestation of God to > help us or reward us as per our Karmas. They are the> Ministers> of God and by themselves not Malefic. Saturn is the> least malefic if> one knows Saturn. It is the planet which can be very> good for a> person who is morally and

ethically right in his way> of living, and> when it rewards to such a man, that reward no power on> earth can take > away from the native. In the same way if a evil man> has to be punished, then no power on Earth can come in> the way of that > punishment to pardon that man. It is always better> to Respect Saturn and its significations, do prayers,> Saturday > visit to temples, treat subordinates affectionately,> donate> food-clothing to old, and just be a good person to> gain the> grace of Saturn.> > Remember that Saturn is the Lord of the 10th (Karma)> and the > 11th (house of profits) in the natural Horoscope, so> Saturn can > never be bad,only the person facing punishment is bad> and not saturn. > Saturn is like a Teacher who rewards or punishes, as> per the students> activity witnessed.> >

Amen,> Bhaskar.> > , "sen_astro"> wrote:> >> > Sir,> > I am a new learner of astrology. Can someone tell> something about the > > effect of Sat in any house and aspects on any house.> Is it true that > > when Sat is aspecting any house it will> decrease/negate the effect of > > that house and will increase the effect where Sat is> placed?> > Thanks and regards,> > > > Siddhartha Sen> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________> India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new> http://in.answers./>!

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Dear scholars,

 

All are giving a treacherous image to Saturn. In

reality Saturn is not a killer as everyone has

interpreted. Other planets like Venus and Jupiter if

malefic does more harm than Saturn. Saturn does not

trouble you the whole period. Half is good and half is

bad and it depends on strength of the planet, its

position, transit, and benefic or malefic for

different Lagnas. Saturn is one make you sit in the

helm and give you power.

 

Thanks

 

Prem

--- Raj Chillar <rajchillar wrote:

 

> dear vibrant scholars of astrology,

> I

> am gratful to all those who have initiated a healthy

> discussion, more pointedly to Saturn. I would

> suggest that we should regard the potentials which

> influence the living ang non living kindom on earth.

> When the saouls is directed to transcend on mother

> Earth, Almighty ordains that the sould should choose

> a suitable place, parents and time in tune with the

> Karmas. The birth presents a frame work called

> horoscope, which is considered a tool to decipher

> how the planets would influence the life of the

> native.

> however, every planet has a peculiarity. Saturn in

> itself is rightrly called a cold planet because it

> is hardly concerned with tenderness but state

> forwardness. therefore, it is slow and study but

> definite in a particular direction. Saturn has three

> phases of human life cycle. first 29 1/2 years for

> preparation of life and seeking a suitable place in

> the society. the 2nd pjase reflects a stage of

> improving the status of the place the native has

> prepared for himself in the 1st phase; and serve the

> society in preserving it pthroiugh propagation and

> rearing of the next generation and rendering service

> to the society for development and advancement. This

> 2nd pahse is very important for the native because

> that uses his energies in a destined manner, we may

> call it sacred or non sacred, for the self and the

> society,; because his energies are at its peak.This

> constructive and active comes to slow down as soon

> as we enter the 3rd phase of Satrun. This phase

> leaves the person with

> experience, skill, confidence and maturity. He on

> the strength of those elements leaps into the the

> 3rd phase of life at 60.It is upto him how much

> advantage he can take from his life experiences. I

> would rather say'as destined'. Obviously, the

> thrusful energies began to dwindle down and

> experience and skill begins to substitute it to

> serve the society and the self in a more meanungful

> manner. If the person fails to take advantage of

> what the saturn has bestowwd on him through

> experience and skill, the Saturn as a straight

> forward teacher punishes for the negligence and

> throws obstacles and difficulties in his life.

> Otherwise, he is destined to become a prestigious

> person whom the society remembers for times to come.

> However, this is a long way that is clear and

> definite in the light of Saturn; and every person

> chooses his stage in that path. similarly all other

> planets have their own cycles but the trasit cycle

> of Saturn and progression of the Moon are in use

> more

> frequently and are important too.

> The present society is accustome to use the

> phrases like benefic, malefic, cruel or gentle, wise

> or foolish just to differentiate between wrong and

> right.

> This is my conviction one may agree or disagree is

> his choice. however, i shall request that we should

> not be over reactive to the use of such sords by any

> one who desires to put up his views forceful;ly in

> his own way.

> with regard to all.

> rajchillar @.co.uk

>

> Shashie Shekhar <polite_astro wrote:

> ll

> HARE RAM ll

> Dear Bhaskar Bhai,

> Ram Ram,

> In fact you are absolutely right that no one

> Planet is bad or good but like the human being each

> planet has their own nature.Therefore if we think

> about the Shani we find it clearly that it is not

> soft at least

> a bit harsh and cruel upto the some extent.I am

> agree it can give a lot in its Mahadasa or Anterdasa

> but at the same time it will remove the softness of

> that person.Yes it can gives Vairagya if placed with

> Moon in 4th but this Vairagya will not be originated

> by Gyan as happened with Lord Budha.A bit dejection

> or depression will be the cause of such Vairagya.

> Shani is the planet of justice and clever by

> nature. Therefore it does justice giving warning to

> the native coming again and again as Saade-Saati or

> Dhaiyaa got remembered him for doing good Karmas.

> Vedic Jyotish defines it as " SKILLED IN ALL KIND OF

> WICKEDNESS " and according to western astrology " MUCH

> LYING AND MUCH LAWING ONE AGAINST ANOTHER,AND GREAT

> PRISONMENT. " Saturn makes a person " LIKE A PLANT WITH

> SOUND ROOTS. " and shows ground reality removing all

> the fake illusions.

>

> God bless

> Shashie Shekhar

>

>

>

>

> Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

>

> Dear Santji,

>

> That word was not meant for You specially.

> If You felt like that I am sorry. I only meant

> to say that no Planet is bad. Planet Saturn has

> been given both powers, to reward as well as punish.

> Just because it does not get to use the powers to

> reward because of bad karmas mostly prevalent in

> society, we cannot call Saturn bad. there are

> many natives who have also done very

> well in Saturn Dashas (Progressions) who

> will vouch for Saturns goodness in their cases.

> I confirm no Planet is good or bad. They

> are dual in Nature, and duality does exist

> on Earth and in this world. The Planets

> are just instruments

> in delivering the results due for each

> individual. In Saturns case the punishment

> is prolonged and leads man to spirituality

> and thoughts of futility of material pleasures

> in the end, after the punishment is met with,

> and makes a man more sober,

> and worldly wise.

>

> When we use the term " Bad men " it does not bring in

> all

> the humanity in picture, the term is used only for

> men who are evil.

> Same way when we

> say " Foolish astrologers " it does not mean

> bringing in the whole fraternity of astrologers in

> picture. It is

> meant for astrologers who give

> a misleading picture in the minds of gullible folks.

> I do not mind if I am called a foolish astrologer.

> Personally I do

> not think of myself

> even as a astrologer in the

> strictest sense. I have my own definitions of a

> astrologer, and have

> set very high standards, where

> I have not reached uptil the mark and a long way to

> go. I just feel

> myself

> as a eternal student all the time and nothing more.

> Now thats a

> seperate matter that we use the

> word " Astrologer " against our names, which just

> denotes a particular

> field I am into. But does not mean that

> I am a good astrologer or a astrologer in the

> strictest sense and

> meaning of the term. Just like politicians have

> " Minister' against

> their names, but may

> not be real leaders or strictly Ministers in the

> real sense of the

> term.

> I have never showed any greatness or portrayed, for

> I am not great. I

> am a humble servant of God here to help and bring in

> the Divine

> science of astrology to

> the seekers who wish to study and help few natives,

> who I may be able

> to.

> My readings can never be correct all the times. No

> human beings can

> be. Astrology would always remain a Perfect science

> in the hands of Imperfect Humans. Thats it.

>

> I would have no qualms in calling myself foolish ,

> when I act so at

> certain

> times. We cannot be smart or wise all the 16 working

> hours of the

> day. there are bound to be certain moments when we

> act foolishly or utter something stupid or behave in

> a unnatural

> illogical manner.

> At such times if pointed out, i would accept my

> mistake sportingly.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

>

>

>

> , Niranjan Sant

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mr. Bhaskar,

> > First of ou will have to withdraw your words

> " follish

> > astrologers " . Using thwew words you stated that

> you

>

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Thanks for the prompt reply. But still you must have

gone thru comlete message where I have accepted you

certain staements like " no planet is good or bad " and

" asrtology or rather planets is the parameter

measuring human's life progression. How ever as what I

define astrologer is in the words, " PERSON WHO IS

DEDICTED FOR BETTERING DISTURBED LIFE OF THE PEOPLE "

and is a delegate of the wholly god. And so in my

opinion no astrologer can foolish. He can/may go wrong

in predictions and remedial but he is still true to

the client. Yes, in case of his seudoism he is NO MORE

astrologer.

Let us stop this topic here and think of bettering the

group thru the study point of view. In any case I too

have mention my reading regarding SATURN where I have

sated that it does give benefic results but only to

the people who have Librea/Aquarius ascendent.

 

 

SANT GURUJI

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

 

> Dear Santji,

>

> That word was not meant for You specially.

> If You felt like that I am sorry. I only meant

> to say that no Planet is bad. Planet Saturn has

> been given both powers, to reward as well as punish.

> Just because it does not get to use the powers to

> reward because of bad karmas mostly prevalent in

> society, we cannot call Saturn bad. there are

> many natives who have also done very

> well in Saturn Dashas (Progressions) who

> will vouch for Saturns goodness in their cases.

> I confirm no Planet is good or bad. They

> are dual in Nature, and duality does exist

> on Earth and in this world. The Planets

> are just instruments

> in delivering the results due for each

> individual. In Saturns case the punishment

> is prolonged and leads man to spirituality

> and thoughts of futility of material pleasures

> in the end, after the punishment is met with,

> and makes a man more sober,

> and worldly wise.

>

> When we use the term " Bad men " it does not bring in

> all

> the humanity in picture, the term is used only for

> men who are evil.

> Same way when we

> say " Foolish astrologers " it does not mean

> bringing in the whole fraternity of astrologers in

> picture. It is

> meant for astrologers who give

> a misleading picture in the minds of gullible folks.

> I do not mind if I am called a foolish astrologer.

> Personally I do

> not think of myself

> even as a astrologer in the

> strictest sense. I have my own definitions of a

> astrologer, and have

> set very high standards, where

> I have not reached uptil the mark and a long way to

> go. I just feel

> myself

> as a eternal student all the time and nothing more.

> Now thats a

> seperate matter that we use the

> word " Astrologer " against our names, which just

> denotes a particular

> field I am into. But does not mean that

> I am a good astrologer or a astrologer in the

> strictest sense and

> meaning of the term. Just like politicians have

> " Minister' against

> their names, but may

> not be real leaders or strictly Ministers in the

> real sense of the

> term.

> I have never showed any greatness or portrayed, for

> I am not great. I

> am a humble servant of God here to help and bring in

> the Divine

> science of astrology to

> the seekers who wish to study and help few natives,

> who I may be able

> to.

> My readings can never be correct all the times. No

> human beings can

> be. Astrology would always remain a Perfect science

> in the hands of Imperfect Humans. Thats it.

>

> I would have no qualms in calling myself foolish ,

> when I act so at

> certain

> times. We cannot be smart or wise all the 16 working

> hours of the

> day. there are bound to be certain moments when we

> act foolishly or utter something stupid or behave in

> a unnatural

> illogical manner.

> At such times if pointed out, i would accept my

> mistake sportingly.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

>

>

>

> , Niranjan Sant

> <shreegauriassociates01 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mr. Bhaskar,

> > First of ou will have to withdraw your words

> " follish

> > astrologers " . Using thwew words you stated that

> you

> > are also onf them. Because you are also an

> astrologer.

> > Astrologer can not be fool. Secondly I agree with

> you

> > that no planet can be good or bad but it is the

> Karmas

> > of ours that make us to face glad or disstes. But

> > still when we state about perticular planet what

> it

> > means is the person is under the great influance

> of

> > that palne. Here is the princile applies that:

> Guru

> > should be judged from the behavious of Shishya,

> > Teacher chould be judged from the intellectuals of

> > student, Father should be judged from act of Son

> and

> > so on. Basically this the way astrology has been

> set

> > /concluded thru predictions point of view. So yes,

> I

> > do firmly state that saturn is absolutely worst

> > irrespective the house where it is situated

> exception

> > is only aquarius and libra ascendednt. There a

> crores

> > of example of malefic resulst and disatersin

> peoples'

> > life that of saturn literally distroying their

> life. I

> > agree that it is a result of their past deeds but

> it

> > is delegated by saturn. And i is decided by

> hundreds

> > of great astrologer to whome we alway lean our

> knees

> > an heads. But here you had used fooloish wored

> shows

> > your greatness(?). How ever it is not necessary

> alway

> > that your readings are correcr other's are wrong.

> You

> > too think genuinly without having grudges against

> > astrologers. I had stated clearly that

> irrespective of

> > saturn's house it will always tewnd to create

> > disasters in native's life.

> > I don't mind if you disagree with me but still I

> will

> > never state that you are foolish

> >

> > SANT GURUJI

> > --- Anand Ballabh Joshi <a_b_joshi wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Bhaskar ji,

> >

> > Thanks for an excellent article on God Shani.

> >

> > Regards / Anand

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

> >

> >

> > Re: Regd Shani

> > Wed, 21 Mar 2007 05:31:38 -0000

> >

> >

> > Dear Mr.Sen,

> >

> > What you are asking for,the answer can go into

> > hundreds of

> > pages. Saturn as lord of benefic Houses would give

> a

> > benefic

> > aspect and as lord of Malefic would give malefic

> > aspect.

> > Apart from this it has a natural quality of

> delaying

> > matters

> > and seperatative, for example if sitting with moon

> in

> > the

> > 4th house would cause the native to have Vairagya

> or

> > detachement,

> > from home or domestic life, and such natives would

> > take sanyas,

> > Saturn if strong is a Natural

> karaka(Significator)for

> > Longevity,

> > and would give long life to the native. Saturn in

> > Capricorn,

> > Acquarius and Libra would be strong. Its house of

> > debilitation

> > would be the house where The Sun gets exalted,

> > ie.Aries.

>

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Der Mr. Shashie,

Your readings towards Saturn are sufficiantly deep but

it is just " Book Knowledge " In fact none of the person

exept who belong to Libra or Aquarius ascendnet, are

getting iany thing in saturans Mahadash or even in

anterdash. If at all any body is getting something it

is not because of satur but because of his leading to

sedcond or eleventh house which are by default

gainfull houses. But it applyies to all the planets

arrespective of benefic of malefic. Second part is

" Vairagya " . You described it very correctly that it is

out of non-availability of meterial i.e. riches, peace

of mind etc. but it is not Vairagya it is called as

" SMASHAN VAIRAGYA " which as temporary as in funeral's

place, i.e. till you come back from Smashan to home.

when in fourth house with Chandra it doesn't give any

vairagya but it gives more amd more attachment with

meterailism makes person totally imspiritual. His

spirituality is only of cunning act so as to exploit

people under the name of god, relegion etc. Presently

all so called swamies and Babas are belonging to such

sanyas. Acyally it is most irresponsible behaviour and

thereby enjoing very selfish life.

It only is interested in harrasing people not at all

for bettering spiritualty but for creating utmost

nusence in sociaty. Great astrologers have defined

Saturs residence as " KACHARAKUNDI " where all society

people thorw their Kachar and unwanted substances. So

it actually is a destroyers losr and how can it do

better to any genuine person at all. Of cours people

like LADEN BIN KASEEM, DOWD IBRAHIM, and many other

terrosrist may get benefit for saturn but those who

work for society and social values too can never get

any justice. It is true that Saturn is very active in

cort of law. It is strongly justified by as way that

now a days legislation and law system is workin. Many

victims dye just by delaying their case. Lawyers and

justices are highly corrupted. Just goes

anti-genuineness and in favour of criminals. So now

you decide what SATURN IS?

 

 

SANT GURUJI

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- Shashie Shekhar <polite_astro wrote:

 

> ll HARE RAM ll

> Dear Bhaskar Bhai,

> Ram Ram,

> In fact you are absolutely right that no one

> Planet is bad or good but like the human being each

> planet has their own nature.Therefore if we think

> about the Shani we find it clearly that it is not

> soft at least

> a bit harsh and cruel upto the some extent.I am

> agree it can give a lot in its Mahadasa or Anterdasa

> but at the same time it will remove the softness of

> that person.Yes it can gives Vairagya if placed with

> Moon in 4th but this Vairagya will not be originated

> by Gyan as happened with Lord Budha.A bit dejection

> or depression will be the cause of such Vairagya.

> Shani is the planet of justice and clever by

> nature. Therefore it does justice giving warning to

> the native coming again and again as Saade-Saati or

> Dhaiyaa got remembered him for doing good Karmas.

> Vedic Jyotish defines it as " SKILLED IN ALL KIND OF

> WICKEDNESS " and according to western astrology " MUCH

> LYING AND MUCH LAWING ONE AGAINST ANOTHER,AND GREAT

> PRISONMENT. " Saturn makes a person " LIKE A PLANT WITH

> SOUND ROOTS. " and shows ground reality removing all

> the fake illusions.

>

> God bless

> Shashie Shekhar

>

>

>

>

> Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

>

> Dear Santji,

>

> That word was not meant for You specially.

> If You felt like that I am sorry. I only meant

> to say that no Planet is bad. Planet Saturn has

> been given both powers, to reward as well as punish.

> Just because it does not get to use the powers to

> reward because of bad karmas mostly prevalent in

> society, we cannot call Saturn bad. there are

> many natives who have also done very

> well in Saturn Dashas (Progressions) who

> will vouch for Saturns goodness in their cases.

> I confirm no Planet is good or bad. They

> are dual in Nature, and duality does exist

> on Earth and in this world. The Planets

> are just instruments

> in delivering the results due for each

> individual. In Saturns case the punishment

> is prolonged and leads man to spirituality

> and thoughts of futility of material pleasures

> in the end, after the punishment is met with,

> and makes a man more sober,

> and worldly wise.

>

> When we use the term " Bad men " it does not bring in

> all

> the humanity in picture, the term is used only for

> men who are evil.

> Same way when we

> say " Foolish astrologers " it does not mean

> bringing in the whole fraternity of astrologers in

> picture. It is

> meant for astrologers who give

> a misleading picture in the minds of gullible folks.

> I do not mind if I am called a foolish astrologer.

> Personally I do

> not think of myself

> even as a astrologer in the

> strictest sense. I have my own definitions of a

> astrologer, and have

> set very high standards, where

> I have not reached uptil the mark and a long way to

> go. I just feel

> myself

> as a eternal student all the time and nothing more.

> Now thats a

> seperate matter that we use the

> word " Astrologer " against our names, which just

> denotes a particular

> field I am into. But does not mean that

> I am a good astrologer or a astrologer in the

> strictest sense and

> meaning of the term. Just like politicians have

> " Minister' against

> their names, but may

> not be real leaders or strictly Ministers in the

> real sense of the

> term.

> I have never showed any greatness or portrayed, for

> I am not great. I

> am a humble servant of God here to help and bring in

> the Divine

> science of astrology to

> the seekers who wish to study and help few natives,

> who I may be able

> to.

> My readings can never be correct all the times. No

> human beings can

> be. Astrology would always remain a Perfect science

> in the hands of Imperfect Humans. Thats it.

>

> I would have no qualms in calling myself foolish ,

> when I act so at

> certain

> times. We cannot be smart or wise all the 16 working

> hours of the

> day. there are bound to be certain moments when we

> act foolishly or utter something stupid or behave in

> a unnatural

> illogical manner.

> At such times if pointed out, i would accept my

> mistake sportingly.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

>

>

>

> , Niranjan Sant

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mr. Bhaskar,

> > First of ou will have to withdraw your words

> " follish

> > astrologers " . Using thwew words you stated that

> you

> > are also onf them. Because you are also an

> astrologer.

> > Astrologer can not be fool. Secondly I agree with

> you

> > that no planet can be good or bad but it is the

> Karmas

> > of ours that make us to face glad or disstes. But

> > still when we state about perticular planet what

> it

> > means is the person is under the great influance

> of

> > that palne. Here is the princile applies that:

> Guru

> > should be judged from the behavious of Shishya,

> > Teacher chould be judged from the intellectuals of

> > student, Father should be judged from act of Son

> and

> > so on. Basically this the way astrology has been

> set

> > /concluded thru predictions point of view. So yes,

> I

> > do firmly state that saturn is absolutely worst

> > irrespective the house where it is situated

> exception

> > is only aquarius and libra ascendednt. There a

> crores

> > of example of malefic resulst and disatersin

> peoples'

> > life that of saturn literally distroying their

> life. I

> > agree that it is a result of their past deeds but

> it

> > is delegated by saturn. And i is decided by

> hundreds

> > of great astrologer to whome we alway lean our

> knees

> > an heads. But here you had used fooloish wored

> shows

> > your greatness(?). How ever it is not necessary

> alway

> > that your readings are correcr other's are wrong.

> You

> > too think genuinly without having grudges against

> > astrologers. I had stated clearly that

> irrespective of

> > saturn's house it will always tewnd to create

> > disasters in native's life.

> > I don't mind if you disagree with me but still I

> will

> > never state that you are foolish

> >

> > SANT GURUJI

> > --- Anand Ballabh Joshi wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Bhaskar ji,

> >

> > Thanks for an excellent article on God Shani.

> >

> > Regards / Anand

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > " Bhaskar "

> >

>

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ll HARE RAM ll Dear Mr.Niranjan, I am really sorry but I can not use word Sant for you because i do not see any Santatva in your writing or thinking at all.What do you mean by "Book Knowledge"?Are Vedas,Upnishadas or Puranas not in book format? Every one first learns through books and gets experiences later but i am feeling a deep hesitation to say that you did not even learn the texts thorowly otherwise you do not mention the same about Saturn and Moon relation.In fact my friend Mr.Bhaskar a learned person quoted about the

said Vairagya regarding the placement of both in 4th house but if you read the same in the books or try to check the same in the experience than you could find easily that such conjuction increases lonliness and dejection in the native. Saturn is the planet of Justice. who suffers the agony of Saade-Saati or Dhaiya,ask them about the experience.The sufferer at that time requests to the God "Plz pardon me i will not do bad karmas again." Please do not compare Saturn to the corrupt persons. Plz chant Mahamantra it will reduce the melafic effect of your Saturn that hurt you deeply. God bless Shashie Shekhar Niranjan Sant

<shreegauriassociates01 wrote: Der Mr. Shashie,Your readings towards Saturn are sufficiantly deep butit is just "Book Knowledge" In fact none of the personexept who belong to Libra or Aquarius ascendnet, aregetting iany thing in saturans Mahadash or even inanterdash. If at all any body is getting something itis not because of satur but because of his leading tosedcond or eleventh house which are by defaultgainfull houses. But it applyies to all the planetsarrespective of benefic of malefic. Second part is"Vairagya". You described it very correctly that it isout of non-availability of meterial i.e. riches, peaceof mind etc. but it is not Vairagya it is called as"SMASHAN VAIRAGYA" which as temporary as in funeral'splace, i.e. till you come back from Smashan to home.when in fourth

house with Chandra it doesn't give anyvairagya but it gives more amd more attachment withmeterailism makes person totally imspiritual. Hisspirituality is only of cunning act so as to exploitpeople under the name of god, relegion etc. Presentlyall so called swamies and Babas are belonging to suchsanyas. Acyally it is most irresponsible behaviour andthereby enjoing very selfish life.It only is interested in harrasing people not at allfor bettering spiritualty but for creating utmostnusence in sociaty. Great astrologers have definedSaturs residence as "KACHARAKUNDI" where all societypeople thorw their Kachar and unwanted substances. Soit actually is a destroyers losr and how can it dobetter to any genuine person at all. Of cours peoplelike LADEN BIN KASEEM, DOWD IBRAHIM, and many otherterrosrist may get benefit for saturn but those whowork for society and social values too can never getany justice. It is

true that Saturn is very active incort of law. It is strongly justified by as way thatnow a days legislation and law system is workin. Manyvictims dye just by delaying their case. Lawyers andjustices are highly corrupted. Just goesanti-genuineness and in favour of criminals. So nowyou decide what SATURN IS?SANT GURUJI--- Shashie Shekhar wrote:> ll HARE RAM ll> Dear Bhaskar Bhai,> Ram Ram,> In fact you are absolutely right that no one> Planet is bad or good but like the human being each> planet has their own nature.Therefore if we think> about the Shani we find it clearly that it is not> soft at least> a bit harsh and cruel upto the some extent.I am> agree it can give a lot in its Mahadasa or Anterdasa> but at the same time it will remove the softness of> that

person.Yes it can gives Vairagya if placed with> Moon in 4th but this Vairagya will not be originated> by Gyan as happened with Lord Budha.A bit dejection> or depression will be the cause of such Vairagya.> Shani is the planet of justice and clever by> nature. Therefore it does justice giving warning to> the native coming again and again as Saade-Saati or> Dhaiyaa got remembered him for doing good Karmas.> Vedic Jyotish defines it as "SKILLED IN ALL KIND OF> WICKEDNESS" and according to western astrology "MUCH> LYING AND MUCH LAWING ONE AGAINST ANOTHER,AND GREAT> PRISONMENT."Saturn makes a person "LIKE A PLANT WITH> SOUND ROOTS." and shows ground reality removing all> the fake illusions.> > God bless> Shashie Shekhar > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:> > Dear Santji,> > That word

was not meant for You specially. > If You felt like that I am sorry. I only meant> to say that no Planet is bad. Planet Saturn has > been given both powers, to reward as well as punish.> Just because it does not get to use the powers to> reward because of bad karmas mostly prevalent in> society, we cannot call Saturn bad. there are> many natives who have also done very> well in Saturn Dashas (Progressions) who> will vouch for Saturns goodness in their cases.> I confirm no Planet is good or bad. They> are dual in Nature, and duality does exist> on Earth and in this world. The Planets> are just instruments> in delivering the results due for each> individual. In Saturns case the punishment > is prolonged and leads man to spirituality> and thoughts of futility of material pleasures> in the end, after the punishment is met with, > and makes a man

more sober,> and worldly wise.> > When we use the term "Bad men" it does not bring in> all> the humanity in picture, the term is used only for> men who are evil. > Same way when we> say "Foolish astrologers" it does not mean > bringing in the whole fraternity of astrologers in> picture. It is > meant for astrologers who give> a misleading picture in the minds of gullible folks.> I do not mind if I am called a foolish astrologer.> Personally I do > not think of myself > even as a astrologer in the> strictest sense. I have my own definitions of a> astrologer, and have> set very high standards, where> I have not reached uptil the mark and a long way to> go. I just feel > myself> as a eternal student all the time and nothing more.> Now thats a > seperate matter that we use the> word "Astrologer"

against our names, which just> denotes a particular > field I am into. But does not mean that> I am a good astrologer or a astrologer in the> strictest sense and > meaning of the term. Just like politicians have> "Minister' against > their names, but may> not be real leaders or strictly Ministers in the> real sense of the > term. > I have never showed any greatness or portrayed, for> I am not great. I > am a humble servant of God here to help and bring in> the Divine > science of astrology to> the seekers who wish to study and help few natives,> who I may be able > to.> My readings can never be correct all the times. No> human beings can > be. Astrology would always remain a Perfect science> in the hands of Imperfect Humans. Thats it.> > I would have no qualms in calling myself foolish ,> when I act

so at > certain> times. We cannot be smart or wise all the 16 working> hours of the > day. there are bound to be certain moments when we> act foolishly or utter something stupid or behave in> a unnatural > illogical manner.> At such times if pointed out, i would accept my> mistake sportingly.> > regards,> Bhaskar.> > > > > > , Niranjan Sant > wrote:> >> > Dear Mr. Bhaskar,> > First of ou will have to withdraw your words> "follish> > astrologers". Using thwew words you stated that> you> > are also onf them. Because you are also an> astrologer.> > Astrologer can not be fool. Secondly I agree with> you> > that no planet can be good or bad but it is the> Karmas> > of ours that make us to face glad

or disstes. But> > still when we state about perticular planet what> it> > means is the person is under the great influance> of> > that palne. Here is the princile applies that:> Guru> > should be judged from the behavious of Shishya,> > Teacher chould be judged from the intellectuals of> > student, Father should be judged from act of Son> and> > so on. Basically this the way astrology has been> set> > /concluded thru predictions point of view. So yes,> I> > do firmly state that saturn is absolutely worst> > irrespective the house where it is situated> exception> > is only aquarius and libra ascendednt. There a> crores> > of example of malefic resulst and disatersin> peoples'> > life that of saturn literally distroying their> life. I> > agree that it is a result of

their past deeds but> it> > is delegated by saturn. And i is decided by> hundreds> > of great astrologer to whome we alway lean our> knees> > an heads. But here you had used fooloish wored> shows> > your greatness(?). How ever it is not necessary> alway> > that your readings are correcr other's are wrong.> You> > too think genuinly without having grudges against> > astrologers. I had stated clearly that> irrespective of> > saturn's house it will always tewnd to create> > disasters in native's life.> > I don't mind if you disagree with me but still I> will> > never state that you are foolish> > > > SANT GURUJI> > --- Anand Ballabh Joshi wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar ji,> >

> > Thanks for an excellent article on God Shani.> > > > Regards / Anand> > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar" > > > === message truncated ===________ India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something newhttp://in.answers./

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Mr. BV Raman in his book Hindu predictive Astrology Page 79

Chapter Heading "Key Planets for each sign" Says-

 

For Taurus Ascendants - Saturn is the most auspicious and powerful Planet.Saturn alone produces Rajyoga.

For Gemini Ascendants - venus in conjunction with Saturn in good signsproduces an excellent career of much fame.

For Libra Ascendant - Saturn causes Rajyoga

 

Other Quotes-

Brihata Jataka - If anyone of the Signs ,Sagittarius,Pisces,Acquarius,Capricorn and Libra be the ascendant and saturn should occupy it,the person concerned willl be equal to a King,the Headman of a village,Mayor of a city, a great scholar and will be handsome.

 

Phaldeepika - if saturn is in the Ascendantin his own sign or exaltation ,the native will be like a King or head of a village or town.

 

Saravali - same effects as per Phaldeepika.

 

Chamatkar Chintamani - For Saturn in Lagna- the native will own large properties and will be prosperous.........

 

Do You mean to say that all the above authors are wrong and what You are talking is right ?

I have given their comments only for Saturn in the ascendant and not in other Houses.neither have I given their comments for the Signs. If I continue , I can give You 2000 such combinations where Saturn would produce good results. But will not, for its a waste of time.

 

Mr.Sant I have never seen any person calling himself a strologer and talking so biasedly about any planet. If You cant love the Planets then how can You do astrology ? If one does not love the Chess Board and the partipicant Chess men, then how can he enjoy playing chess. It means that everytime you are going to see saturn (Which means in every chart You see), You are going to talk detrimentally about its effects too, to the native. This is going to create bias for saturn in all the tender and beginners minds who have the misfortunes to meet you, and also the natives why God forbid reach you, then You are going to create a morbid picture of saturn and then God knows what the native will have to shell out to clear himself from that morbidness.

 

 

//Your readings towards Saturn are sufficiantly deep butit is just "Book Knowledge//

 

Mr Shashie Shekharji is a very good devout Bhakta of Lord Rama and also a very good human being who is a experienced astrologer , a good friend and a polite person.

He talks more from experience and practise ,

rather than book knowledge.

I am sorry to say Mr.Sant. On the contrary Your study it seems is just from a single book. I have read most of your replies to natives , and unfortunately found no astrological or logical content, in fact felt ashamed at your replies to natives coming from a so-called astrologer.

 

// when in fourth house with Chandra it doesn't give anyvairagya but it gives more amd more attachment withmeterailism makes person totally imspiritual //

 

I am sorry You will have to go and read the basics of astrology before You ever write again on astrology.

You know nothing on astrology.

 

//Great astrologers have definedSaturs residence as "KACHARAKUNDI" where all societypeople thorw their Kachar and unwanted substances//

 

This is not a proper approach to the Players who form the team You are going to talk about. So much hatred and vehemence against Saturn is not proper.

You will have to also change Your name - Sant to something else, please do not mind my words, its misleading.And also the other word in Your name -Guruji. That too is misleading. And do not take me as someone opposing you please. Just advising you as a Elder. You are alsorequested to read the book "The Greatness of Saturn " by Rober E Svoboda and another by LR Chawdhri "Saturn a friend or Foe ". This may change your views on Saturn. And do not try to do any prediction for few years till you become unbiased and a good justice minded person and human being first.

 

Bhaskar.

, Niranjan Sant <shreegauriassociates01 wrote:>> Der Mr. Shashie,> Your readings towards Saturn are sufficiantly deep but> it is just "Book Knowledge" In fact none of the person> exept who belong to Libra or Aquarius ascendnet, are> getting iany thing in saturans Mahadash or even in> anterdash. If at all any body is getting something it> is not because of satur but because of his leading to> sedcond or eleventh house which are by default> gainfull houses. But it applyies to all the planets> arrespective of benefic of malefic. Second part is> "Vairagya". You described it very correctly that it is> out of non-availability of meterial i.e. riches, peace> of mind etc. but it is not Vairagya it is called as> "SMASHAN VAIRAGYA" which as temporary as in funeral's> place, i.e. till you come back from Smashan to home.> when in fourth house with Chandra it doesn't give any> vairagya but it gives more amd more attachment with> meterailism makes person totally imspiritual. His> spirituality is only of cunning act so as to exploit> people under the name of god, relegion etc. Presently> all so called swamies and Babas are belonging to such> sanyas. Acyally it is most irresponsible behaviour and> thereby enjoing very selfish life.> It only is interested in harrasing people not at all> for bettering spiritualty but for creating utmost> nusence in sociaty. Great astrologers have defined> Saturs residence as "KACHARAKUNDI" where all society> people thorw their Kachar and unwanted substances. So> it actually is a destroyers losr and how can it do> better to any genuine person at all. Of cours people> like LADEN BIN KASEEM, DOWD IBRAHIM, and many other> terrosrist may get benefit for saturn but those who> work for society and social values too can never get> any justice. It is true that Saturn is very active in> cort of law. It is strongly justified by as way that> now a days legislation and law system is workin. Many> victims dye just by delaying their case. Lawyers and> justices are highly corrupted. Just goes> anti-genuineness and in favour of criminals. So now> you decide what SATURN IS?> > > SANT GURUJI> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Shashie Shekhar polite_astro wrote:> > > ll HARE RAM ll> > Dear Bhaskar Bhai,> > Ram Ram,> > In fact you are absolutely right that no one> > Planet is bad or good but like the human being each> > planet has their own nature.Therefore if we think> > about the Shani we find it clearly that it is not> > soft at least> > a bit harsh and cruel upto the some extent.I am> > agree it can give a lot in its Mahadasa or Anterdasa> > but at the same time it will remove the softness of> > that person.Yes it can gives Vairagya if placed with> > Moon in 4th but this Vairagya will not be originated> > by Gyan as happened with Lord Budha.A bit dejection> > or depression will be the cause of such Vairagya.> > Shani is the planet of justice and clever by> > nature. Therefore it does justice giving warning to> > the native coming again and again as Saade-Saati or> > Dhaiyaa got remembered him for doing good Karmas.> > Vedic Jyotish defines it as "SKILLED IN ALL KIND OF> > WICKEDNESS" and according to western astrology "MUCH> > LYING AND MUCH LAWING ONE AGAINST ANOTHER,AND GREAT> > PRISONMENT."Saturn makes a person "LIKE A PLANT WITH> > SOUND ROOTS." and shows ground reality removing all> > the fake illusions.> > > > God bless> > Shashie Shekhar > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish wrote:> > > > Dear Santji,> > > > That word was not meant for You specially. > > If You felt like that I am sorry. I only meant> > to say that no Planet is bad. Planet Saturn has > > been given both powers, to reward as well as punish.> > Just because it does not get to use the powers to> > reward because of bad karmas mostly prevalent in> > society, we cannot call Saturn bad. there are> > many natives who have also done very> > well in Saturn Dashas (Progressions) who> > will vouch for Saturns goodness in their cases.> > I confirm no Planet is good or bad. They> > are dual in Nature, and duality does exist> > on Earth and in this world. The Planets> > are just instruments> > in delivering the results due for each> > individual. In Saturns case the punishment > > is prolonged and leads man to spirituality> > and thoughts of futility of material pleasures> > in the end, after the punishment is met with, > > and makes a man more sober,> > and worldly wise.> > > > When we use the term "Bad men" it does not bring in> > all> > the humanity in picture, the term is used only for> > men who are evil. > > Same way when we> > say "Foolish astrologers" it does not mean > > bringing in the whole fraternity of astrologers in> > picture. It is > > meant for astrologers who give> > a misleading picture in the minds of gullible folks.> > I do not mind if I am called a foolish astrologer.> > Personally I do > > not think of myself > > even as a astrologer in the> > strictest sense. I have my own definitions of a> > astrologer, and have> > set very high standards, where> > I have not reached uptil the mark and a long way to> > go. I just feel > > myself> > as a eternal student all the time and nothing more.> > Now thats a > > seperate matter that we use the> > word "Astrologer" against our names, which just> > denotes a particular > > field I am into. But does not mean that> > I am a good astrologer or a astrologer in the> > strictest sense and > > meaning of the term. Just like politicians have> > "Minister' against > > their names, but may> > not be real leaders or strictly Ministers in the> > real sense of the > > term. > > I have never showed any greatness or portrayed, for> > I am not great. I > > am a humble servant of God here to help and bring in> > the Divine > > science of astrology to> > the seekers who wish to study and help few natives,> > who I may be able > > to.> > My readings can never be correct all the times. No> > human beings can > > be. Astrology would always remain a Perfect science> > in the hands of Imperfect Humans. Thats it.> > > > I would have no qualms in calling myself foolish ,> > when I act so at > > certain> > times. We cannot be smart or wise all the 16 working> > hours of the > > day. there are bound to be certain moments when we> > act foolishly or utter something stupid or behave in> > a unnatural > > illogical manner.> > At such times if pointed out, i would accept my> > mistake sportingly.> > > > regards,> > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > , Niranjan Sant > > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Mr. Bhaskar,> > > First of ou will have to withdraw your words> > "follish> > > astrologers". Using thwew words you stated that> > you> > > are also onf them. Because you are also an> > astrologer.> > > Astrologer can not be fool. Secondly I agree with> > you> > > that no planet can be good or bad but it is the> > Karmas> > > of ours that make us to face glad or disstes. But> > > still when we state about perticular planet what> > it> > > means is the person is under the great influance> > of> > > that palne. Here is the princile applies that:> > Guru> > > should be judged from the behavious of Shishya,> > > Teacher chould be judged from the intellectuals of> > > student, Father should be judged from act of Son> > and> > > so on. Basically this the way astrology has been> > set> > > /concluded thru predictions point of view. So yes,> > I> > > do firmly state that saturn is absolutely worst> > > irrespective the house where it is situated> > exception> > > is only aquarius and libra ascendednt. There a> > crores> > > of example of malefic resulst and disatersin> > peoples'> > > life that of saturn literally distroying their> > life. I> > > agree that it is a result of their past deeds but> > it> > > is delegated by saturn. And i is decided by> > hundreds> > > of great astrologer to whome we alway lean our> > knees> > > an heads. But here you had used fooloish wored> > shows> > > your greatness(?). How ever it is not necessary> > alway> > > that your readings are correcr other's are wrong.> > You> > > too think genuinly without having grudges against> > > astrologers. I had stated clearly that> > irrespective of> > > saturn's house it will always tewnd to create> > > disasters in native's life.> > > I don't mind if you disagree with me but still I> > will> > > never state that you are foolish> > > > > > SANT GURUJI> > > --- Anand Ballabh Joshi wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar ji,> > > > > > Thanks for an excellent article on God Shani.> > > > > > Regards / Anand> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar" > > > > > > === message truncated ===> > > > > > > ________> India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new> http://in.answers./>