[NonDualPhil] Fwd: What actually causes duality to persist?

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NonDualPhil , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote:

 

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Tony OClery

NonDualPhil

Saturday, April 30, 2005 4:45 PM

[NonDualPhil] Re: Fwd: What actually causes duality to

persist?

 

 

NonDualPhil , " Wim Borsboom "

<wim_borsboom> wrote:

> >

> > I try to follow the Self Enquiry and also do some meditation,

where

> > I concentrate at where my nose and lip meet, and this usually

puts

> > me into a state of relaxation or nidra or what-----no memory

> > anyway...ONS...Tony.

>

>

> Dear Tony,

>

> On your:

> > I try to follow..., etc.

>

> It seems to me Tony that what you are " trying " is just a playing

> around with elements ('keys') provided in various teachings that

you

> consider to be 'key'.

>

> Over the years you have displayed considerations only of what you

> consider 'key' but so far it appears that you never got further

than

> considering... albeit sometimes strongly.

>

> Over the years, you have only displayed 'playing around ' with

the

> 'keys', instead of using them. You always seem to get lost in

trying

> to 'd e s c r i b e' what the keys look like, you have never

really

> attempted to find the slots in which to stick them.

>

> As a key turns and a lock gives way something is supposed to

open

up:

> an 'epiphany'. Such has not happened with you.

> Various times even the very locks have been put under your nose

by

> many respondents, but you've never recognized them as such or

you

just

> sneezingly judged them out off hand.

>

> It is interesting that even your " it never happened " never

happened to

> provide an epiphany to you. Instead of letting the occasion for

that

> to happen, happen, you keep finding reasons for that not to

happen...

>

> That is the nature of your:

> > I try to follow..., etc.

>

> I'm not even sure that you are trying, as what you seem to be

mostly

> doing is skirting around your issues... e.g. being a dualist or

not

> being one, one time letting yourself being told that you are and

you

> agree, the next time yourself being told that you aren't and

again

you

> agree.

>

> Did you notice how you do that...?

> Do you even want to notice why you do that?

> Did you even notice that you do that?

>

> Will the real Tony please stand up, not the one who is " trying "

to

say

> not to be happening at all...

>

> Wim

 

Namaste,

 

I suppose the only thing I am sure of logically, is that it didn't

happen at all. I base that on the word of the Sages and Deep

Sleep.

Also my meditation indicates it doesn't exist as well,

notwithstanding good feeling or bliss when returning sometimes.

 

Other than that I can only try, for nothing is hard fact within

mind, and this illusion. There are no keys, the only opener is to

stop oscillating betweeen awake and dream.

 

Yes people stick stuff under my nose from time to time and I don't

argue that much for it would upset them with their pet theories.

 

The only thing I know for sure is that 'I' don't know and 'God'

doesn't know either.........Well he doesn't exist does he?

 

The duality springs from discussing things relatively, and the

fact

it is all illusion. So sometimes I extend some validity to this

illusion as did Sankara and other times I do not.

 

However my consciousness is quite stabilised in the fact that,

ultimately, it never happened, there is no Sakti, Kundalini,

Prana,

Saguna, Tony, Wim or whatever.

 

However it is real whilst we are in it, just like a dream.

Yesterday

a candle flew out of a candlestick on my mantle piece and landed

in

the middle of the room, defying logic and gravity at the same

time.

Right now I'm trying to solve that one...........ONS...Tony.

 

 

You betcha, but for right NOW Tonymeister, THIS IS IT and by Tony,

it's freakin awesome

 

this place, Here,

this time, Now

this thought 'Tony'

this Love of 'Tony'

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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