Guest guest Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 I saw the movie Alice in Wonderland last night and i can say that it's one of the best movies i have seen in a long time. Great visuals, richly layered computer graphics, costumes, sets... and good acting. I won't give too much away other than to say that it's a journey about self-discovery, our own self conflicts projected as opposing characters and like in most great works of fiction at the end the heroine is transformed and in the process it transforms our (the viewer's) way of thinking as if our thought process is shifted to a new, a more positive pattern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Hur Guler " <hurg wrote: > > I saw the movie Alice in Wonderland last night and i can say that it's one of the best movies i have seen in a long time. Great visuals, richly layered computer graphics, costumes, sets... and good acting. I won't give too much away other than to say that it's a journey about self-discovery, our own self conflicts projected as opposing characters and like in most great works of fiction at the end the heroine is transformed and in the process it transforms our (the viewer's) way of thinking as if our thought process is shifted to a new, a more positive pattern. > P: I haven't seen the new movie, but if you recommend it, I will. IMO, Carrol wrote one of the best holy books of all times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Hur Guler " <hurg wrote: > > I saw the movie Alice in Wonderland last night and i can say that it's one of the best movies i have seen in a long time. Great visuals, richly layered computer graphics, costumes, sets... and good acting. I won't give too much away other than to say that it's a journey about self-discovery, our own self conflicts projected as opposing characters and like in most great works of fiction at the end the heroine is transformed and in the process it transforms our (the viewer's) way of thinking as if our thought process is shifted to a new, a more positive pattern. > Hey there, We went to see it last night...thoroughly enjoyed it. It wandered off the original a little but it and Alice's niece just died recently in the UK.Always remember reading the original, as a child, and would have preferred a bit more loyalty to it but it was good all the same..Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 Nisargadatta , " aoclery " <aoclery wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Hur Guler " <hurg@> wrote: > > > > I saw the movie Alice in Wonderland last night and i can say that it's one of the best movies i have seen in a long time. Great visuals, richly layered computer graphics, costumes, sets... and good acting. I won't give too much away other than to say that it's a journey about self-discovery, our own self conflicts projected as opposing characters and like in most great works of fiction at the end the heroine is transformed and in the process it transforms our (the viewer's) way of thinking as if our thought process is shifted to a new, a more positive pattern. > > > Hey there, > > We went to see it last night...thoroughly enjoyed it. It wandered off the original a little but it and Alice's niece just died recently in the UK.Always remember reading the original, as a child, and would have preferred a bit more loyalty to it but it was good all the same..> The jabberwocky from wiki... 'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves Did gyre and gimble in the wabe; All mimsy were the borogoves, And the mome raths outgrabe. " Beware the Jabberwock, my son! The jaws that bite, the claws that catch! Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun The frumious Bandersnatch! " He took his vorpal sword in hand: Long time the manxome foe he sought— So rested he by the Tumtum tree, And stood awhile in thought. And as in uffish thought he stood, The Jabberwock, with eyes of flame, Came whiffling through the tulgey wood, And burbled as it came! One, two! One, two! and through and through The vorpal blade went snicker-snack! He left it dead, and with its head He went galumphing back. " And hast thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! " He chortled in his joy. 'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves Did gyre and gimble in the wabe; All mimsy were the borogoves, And the mome raths outgrabe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Hur Guler " <hurg@> wrote: > > > > I saw the movie Alice in Wonderland last night and i can say that it's one of the best movies i have seen in a long time. Great visuals, richly layered computer graphics, costumes, sets... and good acting. I won't give too much away other than to say that it's a journey about self-discovery, our own self conflicts projected as opposing characters and like in most great works of fiction at the end the heroine is transformed and in the process it transforms our (the viewer's) way of thinking as if our thought process is shifted to a new, a more positive pattern. > > > > P: I haven't seen the new movie, but if you > recommend it, I will. IMO, Carrol wrote one > of the best holy books of all times. it's actually a combo of two of Lewis's books. Johnny D doin' the Mad Hatter is....as he always is...really cool. you've got to see it in 3D though. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 Nisargadatta , " aoclery " <aoclery wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " aoclery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Hur Guler " <hurg@> wrote: > > > > > > I saw the movie Alice in Wonderland last night and i can say that it's one of the best movies i have seen in a long time. Great visuals, richly layered computer graphics, costumes, sets... and good acting. I won't give too much away other than to say that it's a journey about self-discovery, our own self conflicts projected as opposing characters and like in most great works of fiction at the end the heroine is transformed and in the process it transforms our (the viewer's) way of thinking as if our thought process is shifted to a new, a more positive pattern. > > > > > Hey there, > > > > We went to see it last night...thoroughly enjoyed it. It wandered off the original a little but it and Alice's niece just died recently in the UK.Always remember reading the original, as a child, and would have preferred a bit more loyalty to it but it was good all the same..> > > The jabberwocky from wiki... > > 'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves > Did gyre and gimble in the wabe; > All mimsy were the borogoves, > And the mome raths outgrabe. > > " Beware the Jabberwock, my son! > The jaws that bite, the claws that catch! > Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun > The frumious Bandersnatch! " > > He took his vorpal sword in hand: > Long time the manxome foe he sought— > So rested he by the Tumtum tree, > And stood awhile in thought. > > And as in uffish thought he stood, > The Jabberwock, with eyes of flame, > Came whiffling through the tulgey wood, > And burbled as it came! > > One, two! One, two! and through and through > The vorpal blade went snicker-snack! > He left it dead, and with its head > He went galumphing back. > > " And hast thou slain the Jabberwock? > Come to my arms, my beamish boy! > O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! " > He chortled in his joy. > > 'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves > Did gyre and gimble in the wabe; > All mimsy were the borogoves, > And the mome raths outgrabe. > We loved it too! Off with his(her) head! ~A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 Oh, boy. I loved the book, though for some reason I haven't read "Through the Looking Glass". Maybe this is the reason I didn't love the movie, for .bb.b. says the movie was based on both books. I thought the art was magnificent, and the acting was great, but the "holy book" that Pete spoke of disappeared into Tim Burtonland. I love the dialog in the book. And it seems to lose all power when paraphrased, as it was in the movie. Nevertheless, I will probably go again and see it in 3D...the book is certainly a journey about self-discovery, but I didn't get that from the movie, at least as clearly. Gloria PS ..bb.b., I probably deserve to get flamed for this, huh? ---- Original Message ----- anna Nisargadatta Sunday, March 28, 2010 7:28 PM Re: Alice in Wonderland Nisargadatta , "aoclery" <aoclery wrote:>> > > Nisargadatta , "aoclery" <aoclery@> wrote:> >> > > > > > Nisargadatta , "Hur Guler" <hurg@> wrote:> > >> > > I saw the movie Alice in Wonderland last night and i can say that it's one of the best movies i have seen in a long time. Great visuals, richly layered computer graphics, costumes, sets... and good acting. I won't give too much away other than to say that it's a journey about self-discovery, our own self conflicts projected as opposing characters and like in most great works of fiction at the end the heroine is transformed and in the process it transforms our (the viewer's) way of thinking as if our thought process is shifted to a new, a more positive pattern.> > >> > Hey there,> > > > We went to see it last night...thoroughly enjoyed it. It wandered off the original a little but it and Alice's niece just died recently in the UK.Always remember reading the original, as a child, and would have preferred a bit more loyalty to it but it was good all the same..Tony> >> The jabberwocky from wiki...> > 'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves> Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;> All mimsy were the borogoves,> And the mome raths outgrabe.> > "Beware the Jabberwock, my son!> The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!> Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun> The frumious Bandersnatch!"> > He took his vorpal sword in hand:> Long time the manxome foe he sought—> So rested he by the Tumtum tree,> And stood awhile in thought.> > And as in uffish thought he stood,> The Jabberwock, with eyes of flame,> Came whiffling through the tulgey wood,> And burbled as it came!> > One, two! One, two! and through and through> The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!> He left it dead, and with its head> He went galumphing back.> > "And hast thou slain the Jabberwock?> Come to my arms, my beamish boy!> O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!"> He chortled in his joy.> > 'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves> Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;> All mimsy were the borogoves,> And the mome raths outgrabe.>We loved it too!Off with his(her) head!~A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Gloria Wilson " <gloriawilson wrote: > > > PS > .bb.b., I probably deserve to get flamed for this, huh? > you only get flamed if you claim to be self-realized. sort of like the uttering the name of the lord in vain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Hur Guler " <hurg wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Gloria Wilson " <gloriawilson@> wrote: > > > > > > > PS > > .bb.b., I probably deserve to get flamed for this, huh? > > > > you only get flamed if you claim to be self-realized. > sort of like the uttering the name of the lord in vain > > That was a funny clip! Good seeing it again. (Don't worry Gloria, .bb.b. is much more competitive with males, so you don't have that much to worry about. He's like one of those silver back gorillas, trying to build up his harem here - buttering up women like Lene and Anna.) Well, anyway, good luck in not getting flamed, Gloria. You seem pretty nimble on your feet, you can probably dodge the rocks that the bearded villagers around here like to toss. - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Gloria Wilson " <gloriawilson wrote: > > Oh, boy. I loved the book, though for some reason I haven't read " Through the Looking Glass " . Maybe this is the reason I didn't love the movie, for .bb.b. says the movie was based on both books. I thought the art was magnificent, and the acting was great, but the " holy book " that Pete spoke of disappeared into Tim Burtonland. I love the dialog in the book. And it seems to lose all power when paraphrased, as it was in the movie. Nevertheless, I will probably go again and see it in 3D...the book is certainly a journey about self-discovery, but I didn't get that from the movie, at least as clearly. > Gloria > > PS > .bb.b., I probably deserve to get flamed for this, huh? actually although Mr. Carrol may have had in mind.. a journey of self discovery in writing the " Alices " ... from my perspective.. and from knowing a tad wee bit about the good man.. i think he was having a whirl on the wally.. and going on about some peculiar mathematical dippies. at any rate as far as the movie's purpose.. methinks Mr. Burton and Co. were having on about creating a story.. that would engender big bazoom box office bucks. not terrribly enlightening stuff... but then again... one doesn't like to disparage the garnering of the ol' moolah.. whether by copywright or percentages of " takes " from gross sales. quite actually that too can be a grand adventure as well. ..b b.b > ---- Original Message ----- > anna > Nisargadatta > Sunday, March 28, 2010 7:28 PM > Re: Alice in Wonderland > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " aoclery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " aoclery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Hur Guler " <hurg@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I saw the movie Alice in Wonderland last night and i can say that it's one of the best movies i have seen in a long time. Great visuals, richly layered computer graphics, costumes, sets... and good acting. I won't give too much away other than to say that it's a journey about self-discovery, our own self conflicts projected as opposing characters and like in most great works of fiction at the end the heroine is transformed and in the process it transforms our (the viewer's) way of thinking as if our thought process is shifted to a new, a more positive pattern. > > > > > > > Hey there, > > > > > > We went to see it last night...thoroughly enjoyed it. It wandered off the original a little but it and Alice's niece just died recently in the UK.Always remember reading the original, as a child, and would have preferred a bit more loyalty to it but it was good all the same..> > > > > The jabberwocky from wiki... > > > > 'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves > > Did gyre and gimble in the wabe; > > All mimsy were the borogoves, > > And the mome raths outgrabe. > > > > " Beware the Jabberwock, my son! > > The jaws that bite, the claws that catch! > > Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun > > The frumious Bandersnatch! " > > > > He took his vorpal sword in hand: > > Long time the manxome foe he sought- > > So rested he by the Tumtum tree, > > And stood awhile in thought. > > > > And as in uffish thought he stood, > > The Jabberwock, with eyes of flame, > > Came whiffling through the tulgey wood, > > And burbled as it came! > > > > One, two! One, two! and through and through > > The vorpal blade went snicker-snack! > > He left it dead, and with its head > > He went galumphing back. > > > > " And hast thou slain the Jabberwock? > > Come to my arms, my beamish boy! > > O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! " > > He chortled in his joy. > > > > 'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves > > Did gyre and gimble in the wabe; > > All mimsy were the borogoves, > > And the mome raths outgrabe. > > > > We loved it too! > > Off with his(her) head! > > ~A > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Gloria Wilson " <gloriawilson@> wrote: > > > > Oh, boy. I loved the book, though for some reason I haven't read " Through the Looking Glass " . Maybe this is the reason I didn't love the movie, for .bb.b. says the movie was based on both books. I thought the art was magnificent, and the acting was great, but the " holy book " that Pete spoke of disappeared into Tim Burtonland. I love the dialog in the book. And it seems to lose all power when paraphrased, as it was in the movie. Nevertheless, I will probably go again and see it in 3D...the book is certainly a journey about self-discovery, but I didn't get that from the movie, at least as clearly. > > Gloria > > > > PS > > .bb.b., I probably deserve to get flamed for this, huh? Absolutely I never read the book, just watched the movie in 3D at a huge cinema. Was fabulous. If for no other reason then because the magnificent Depp is in it. The selfdiscovery? When Alice found out the dream was hers and noone else's and she took the responsibility for what happened - when she stopped being told and became the teller. This is my dream - you are but a figment of it. But - said the hatter - that means that I do not really exist - Quite so. You do not exist outside my dream. Said Lene Hey Bob, you figment of my dream > actually although Mr. Carrol may have had in mind.. > > a journey of self discovery in writing the " Alices " ... > > from my perspective.. > > and from knowing a tad wee bit about the good man.. > > i think he was having a whirl on the wally.. > > and going on about some peculiar mathematical dippies. > > at any rate as far as the movie's purpose.. > > methinks Mr. Burton and Co. were having on about creating a story.. > > that would engender big bazoom box office bucks. > > not terrribly enlightening stuff... > > but then again... > > one doesn't like to disparage the garnering of the ol' moolah.. > > whether by copywright or percentages of " takes " from gross sales. > > quite actually that too can be a grand adventure as well. > > .b b.b > > > > > > ---- Original Message ----- > > anna > > Nisargadatta > > Sunday, March 28, 2010 7:28 PM > > Re: Alice in Wonderland > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " aoclery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " aoclery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Hur Guler " <hurg@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I saw the movie Alice in Wonderland last night and i can say that it's one of the best movies i have seen in a long time. Great visuals, richly layered computer graphics, costumes, sets... and good acting. I won't give too much away other than to say that it's a journey about self-discovery, our own self conflicts projected as opposing characters and like in most great works of fiction at the end the heroine is transformed and in the process it transforms our (the viewer's) way of thinking as if our thought process is shifted to a new, a more positive pattern. > > > > > > > > > Hey there, > > > > > > > > We went to see it last night...thoroughly enjoyed it. It wandered off the original a little but it and Alice's niece just died recently in the UK.Always remember reading the original, as a child, and would have preferred a bit more loyalty to it but it was good all the same..> > > > > > > The jabberwocky from wiki... > > > > > > 'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves > > > Did gyre and gimble in the wabe; > > > All mimsy were the borogoves, > > > And the mome raths outgrabe. > > > > > > " Beware the Jabberwock, my son! > > > The jaws that bite, the claws that catch! > > > Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun > > > The frumious Bandersnatch! " > > > > > > He took his vorpal sword in hand: > > > Long time the manxome foe he sought- > > > So rested he by the Tumtum tree, > > > And stood awhile in thought. > > > > > > And as in uffish thought he stood, > > > The Jabberwock, with eyes of flame, > > > Came whiffling through the tulgey wood, > > > And burbled as it came! > > > > > > One, two! One, two! and through and through > > > The vorpal blade went snicker-snack! > > > He left it dead, and with its head > > > He went galumphing back. > > > > > > " And hast thou slain the Jabberwock? > > > Come to my arms, my beamish boy! > > > O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! " > > > He chortled in his joy. > > > > > > 'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves > > > Did gyre and gimble in the wabe; > > > All mimsy were the borogoves, > > > And the mome raths outgrabe. > > > > > > > We loved it too! > > > > Off with his(her) head! > > > > ~A > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Gloria Wilson " <gloriawilson@> wrote: > > > > > > Oh, boy. I loved the book, though for some reason I haven't read " Through the Looking Glass " . Maybe this is the reason I didn't love the movie, for .bb.b. says the movie was based on both books. I thought the art was magnificent, and the acting was great, but the " holy book " that Pete spoke of disappeared into Tim Burtonland. I love the dialog in the book. And it seems to lose all power when paraphrased, as it was in the movie. Nevertheless, I will probably go again and see it in 3D...the book is certainly a journey about self-discovery, but I didn't get that from the movie, at least as clearly. > > > Gloria > > > > > > PS > > > .bb.b., I probably deserve to get flamed for this, huh? > > > > Absolutely I never read the book, just watched the movie in > 3D at a huge cinema. Was fabulous. If for no other reason then > because the magnificent Depp is in it. > > The selfdiscovery? When Alice found out the dream was hers and > noone else's and she took the responsibility for what happened > - when she stopped being told and became the teller. > > This is my dream - you are but a figment of it. But - said the > hatter - that means that I do not really exist - Quite so. You > do not exist outside my dream. The truth was revealed to Alice " down under " (the subconscious), and she brought it with her to the " up over " (the conscious) and acted in accordance with the truth (this is a dream but it is my dream and I decide what I will do with it, I take responsibility for my life). Life is a dream - the subconscious and the conscious is the same and the message is I can't blame or thank anyone else but myself for how the dream unfolds. -Lene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 - Lene Nisargadatta Monday, March 29, 2010 8:54 AM Re: Alice in Wonderland Nisargadatta , "Lene" <lschwabe wrote:>> > > Nisargadatta , "BobN" <Roberibus111@> wrote:> >> > > > > > Nisargadatta , "Gloria Wilson" <gloriawilson@> wrote:> > >> > > Oh, boy. I loved the book, though for some reason I haven't read "Through the Looking Glass". Maybe this is the reason I didn't love the movie, for .bb.b. says the movie was based on both books. I thought the art was magnificent, and the acting was great, but the "holy book" that Pete spoke of disappeared into Tim Burtonland. I love the dialog in the book. And it seems to lose all power when paraphrased, as it was in the movie. Nevertheless, I will probably go again and see it in 3D...the book is certainly a journey about self-discovery, but I didn't get that from the movie, at least as clearly. > > > Gloria> > > > > > PS> > > .bb.b., I probably deserve to get flamed for this, huh?> > > > Absolutely I never read the book, just watched the movie in> 3D at a huge cinema. Was fabulous. If for no other reason then> because the magnificent Depp is in it. > > The selfdiscovery? When Alice found out the dream was hers and> noone else's and she took the responsibility for what happened> - when she stopped being told and became the teller.> > This is my dream - you are but a figment of it. But - said the> hatter - that means that I do not really exist - Quite so. You> do not exist outside my dream.The truth was revealed to Alice "down under" (the subconscious),and she brought it with her to the "up over" (the conscious) andacted in accordance with the truth (this is a dream but it is mydream and I decide what I will do with it, I take responsibilityfor my life).Life is a dream - the subconscious and the conscious is the sameand the message is I can't blame or thank anyone else but myselffor how the dream unfolds.-Lene I felt that Alice in the book certainly went through a rite of passage, and became better able to control her dream. The reader however was gifted with a much bigger picture, and through seeing the extraordinary events alongside her rather ordinary responses, was shown the futility of even believing in (and responding to) dreams, or so I thought. I missed that in the movie--I couldn't get away from Alice's perspective and actually already don't quite remember much of it, except for the red queen, who was amazing. Johnny Depp is one of my favorites of all time, but I thought the mad hatter was a disappointment. "Jehovah!", (for those of you with stones in each hand.) Here are a couple of passages from the book , the second one being the intro to the mad hatter. The Caterpillar and Alice looked at each other for some time in silence: at last the Caterpillar tookthe hookah out of its mouth, and addressed her in a languid, sleepy voice. 'Who are YOU?' said the Caterpillar. This was not an encouraging opening for a conversation. Alice replied, rather shyly, 'I—I hardly know, sir, just at present—at least I know who I WAS when I got up this morning, but I think I must have been changed several times since then.' 'What do you mean by that?' said the Caterpillar sternly. 'Explain yourself!' 'I can't explain MYSELF, I'm afraid, sir' said Alice, 'because I'm not myself, you see.' 'I don't see,' said the Caterpillar. 'I'm afraid I can't put it more clearly,' Alice replied very politely, 'for I can't understand it myself to begin with; and being so many different sizes in a day is very confusing.' 'It isn't,' said the Caterpillar. 'Well, perhaps you haven't found it so yet,' said Alice; 'but when you have to turn into a chrysalis—you will some day, you know—and then after that into a butterfly, I should think you'll feel it a little queer, won't you?' 'Not a bit,' said the Caterpillar. 'Well, perhaps your feelings may be different,' said Alice; 'all I know is, it would feel very queer to ME.' 'You!' said the Caterpillar contemptuously. 'Who are YOU?' Which brought them back again to the beginning of the conversation. Alice felt a little irritated at the Caterpillar's making such VERY short remarks, and she drew herself up and said, very gravely, 'I think, you ought to tell me who YOU are, first.' 'Why?' said the Caterpillar. Here was another puzzling question; and as Alice could not think of any good reason, and as the Caterpillar seemed to be in a VERY unpleasant state of mind, she turned away. 'Come back!' the Caterpillar called after her. 'I've something important to say!' This sounded promising, certainly: Alice turned and came back again. 'Keep your temper,' said the Caterpillar. ........................... There was a table set out under a tree in front of the house, and the March Hare and the Hatter were having tea at it: a Dormouse was sitting between them, fast asleep, and the other two were using it as a cushion, resting their elbows on it, and talking over its head. 'Very uncomfortable for the Dormouse,' thought Alice; 'only, as it's asleep, I suppose it doesn't mind.' The table was a large one, but the three were all crowded together at one corner of it: 'No room! No room!' they cried out when they saw Alice coming. 'There's PLENTY of room!' said Alice indignantly, and she sat down in a large arm-chair at one end of the table. 'Have some wine,' the March Hare said in an encouraging tone. Alice looked all round the table, but there was nothing on it but tea. 'I don't see any wine,' she remarked. 'There isn't any,' said the March Hare. 'Then it wasn't very civil of you to offer it,' said Alice angrily. 'It wasn't very civil of you to sit down without being invited,' said the March Hare. 'I didn't know it was YOUR table,' said Alice; 'it's laid for a great many more than three.' 'Your hair wants cutting,' said the Hatter. He had been looking at Alice for some time with great curiosity, and this was his first speech. 'You should learn not to make personal remarks,' Alice said with some severity; 'it's very rude.' The Hatter opened his eyes very wide on hearing this; but all he SAID was, 'Why is a raven like a writing-desk?' 'Come, we shall have some fun now!' thought Alice. 'I'm glad they've begun asking riddles.—I believe I can guess that,' she added aloud. 'Do you mean that you think you can find out the answer to it?' said the March Hare. 'Exactly so,' said Alice. 'Then you should say what you mean,' the March Hare went on. 'I do,' Alice hastily replied; 'at least—at least I mean what I say—that's the same thing, you know.' 'Not the same thing a bit!' said the Hatter. 'You might just as well say that "I see what I eat" is the same thing as "I eat what I see"!' 'You might just as well say,' added the March Hare, 'that "I like what I get" is the same thing as "I get what I like"!' 'You might just as well say,' added the Dormouse, who seemed to be talking in his sleep, 'that "I breathe when I sleep" is the same thing as "I sleep when I breathe"!' 'It IS the same thing with you,' said the Hatter, and here the conversation dropped, and the party sat silent for a minute, while Alice thought over all she could remember about ravens and writing-desks, which wasn't much. The Hatter was the first to break the silence. 'What day of the month is it?' he said, turning to Alice: he had taken his watch out of his pocket, and was looking at it uneasily, shaking it every now and then, and holding it to his ear. Alice considered a little, and then said 'The fourth.' 'Two days wrong!' sighed the Hatter. 'I told you butter wouldn't suit the works!' he added looking angrily at the March Hare... 'Take some more tea,' the March Hare said to Alice, very earnestly. 'I've had nothing yet,' Alice replied in an offended tone, 'so I can't take more.' 'You mean you can't take LESS,' said the Hatter: 'it's very easy to take MORE than nothing.' 'Nobody asked YOUR opinion,' said Alice. 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Guest guest Posted April 2, 2010 Report Share Posted April 2, 2010 Thanks Gloria, enjoyed the tea; it tasted like a blend of grey earl and red queen with a touch of single malt or so da -Lene Nisargadatta , " Gloria Wilson " <gloriawilson wrote: > > > - > Lene > Nisargadatta > Monday, March 29, 2010 8:54 AM > Re: Alice in Wonderland > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Gloria Wilson " <gloriawilson@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Oh, boy. I loved the book, though for some reason I haven't read " Through the Looking Glass " . Maybe this is the reason I didn't love the movie, for .bb.b. says the movie was based on both books. I thought the art was magnificent, and the acting was great, but the " holy book " that Pete spoke of disappeared into Tim Burtonland. I love the dialog in the book. And it seems to lose all power when paraphrased, as it was in the movie. Nevertheless, I will probably go again and see it in 3D...the book is certainly a journey about self-discovery, but I didn't get that from the movie, at least as clearly. > > > > Gloria > > > > > > > > PS > > > > .bb.b., I probably deserve to get flamed for this, huh? > > > > > > > > Absolutely I never read the book, just watched the movie in > > 3D at a huge cinema. Was fabulous. If for no other reason then > > because the magnificent Depp is in it. > > > > The selfdiscovery? When Alice found out the dream was hers and > > noone else's and she took the responsibility for what happened > > - when she stopped being told and became the teller. > > > > This is my dream - you are but a figment of it. But - said the > > hatter - that means that I do not really exist - Quite so. You > > do not exist outside my dream. > > The truth was revealed to Alice " down under " (the subconscious), > and she brought it with her to the " up over " (the conscious) and > acted in accordance with the truth (this is a dream but it is my > dream and I decide what I will do with it, I take responsibility > for my life). > > Life is a dream - the subconscious and the conscious is the same > and the message is I can't blame or thank anyone else but myself > for how the dream unfolds. > > -Lene > > > I felt that Alice in the book certainly went through a rite of passage, and became better able to control her dream. The reader however was gifted with a much bigger picture, and through seeing the extraordinary events alongside her rather ordinary responses, was shown the futility of even believing in (and responding to) dreams, or so I thought. I missed that in the movie--I couldn't get away from Alice's perspective and actually already don't quite remember much of it, except for the red queen, who was amazing. Johnny Depp is one of my favorites of all time, but I thought the mad hatter was a disappointment. > > " Jehovah! " , (for those of you with stones in each hand.) > > Here are a couple of passages from the book , the second one being the intro to the mad hatter. > > The Caterpillar and Alice looked at each other for some time in silence: at last the Caterpillar tookthe hookah out of its mouth, and addressed her in a languid, sleepy voice. > > 'Who are YOU?' said the Caterpillar. > > This was not an encouraging opening for a conversation. Alice replied, rather shyly, 'I-I hardly know, sir, just at present-at least I know who I WAS when I got up this morning, but I think I must have been changed several times since then.' > > 'What do you mean by that?' said the Caterpillar sternly. 'Explain yourself!' > > 'I can't explain MYSELF, I'm afraid, sir' said Alice, 'because I'm not myself, you see.' > > 'I don't see,' said the Caterpillar. > > 'I'm afraid I can't put it more clearly,' Alice replied very politely, 'for I can't understand it myself to begin with; and being so many different sizes in a day is very confusing.' > > 'It isn't,' said the Caterpillar. > > 'Well, perhaps you haven't found it so yet,' said Alice; 'but when you have to turn into a chrysalis-you will some day, you know-and then after that into a butterfly, I should think you'll feel it a little queer, won't you?' > > 'Not a bit,' said the Caterpillar. > > 'Well, perhaps your feelings may be different,' said Alice; 'all I know is, it would feel very queer to ME.' > > 'You!' said the Caterpillar contemptuously. 'Who are YOU?' > > Which brought them back again to the beginning of the conversation. Alice felt a little irritated at the Caterpillar's making such VERY short remarks, and she drew herself up and said, very gravely, 'I think, you ought to tell me who YOU are, first.' > > 'Why?' said the Caterpillar. > > Here was another puzzling question; and as Alice could not think of any good reason, and as the Caterpillar seemed to be in a VERY unpleasant state of mind, she turned away. > > 'Come back!' the Caterpillar called after her. 'I've something important to say!' > > This sounded promising, certainly: Alice turned and came back again. > > 'Keep your temper,' said the Caterpillar. > > .......................... > > There was a table set out under a tree in front of the house, and the March Hare and the Hatter were having tea at it: a Dormouse was sitting between them, fast asleep, and the other two were using it as a cushion, resting their elbows on it, and talking over its head. 'Very uncomfortable for the Dormouse,' thought Alice; 'only, as it's asleep, I suppose it doesn't mind.' > > The table was a large one, but the three were all crowded together at one corner of it: 'No room! No room!' they cried out when they saw Alice coming. 'There's PLENTY of room!' said Alice indignantly, and she sat down in a large arm-chair at one end of the table. > > 'Have some wine,' the March Hare said in an encouraging tone. > > Alice looked all round the table, but there was nothing on it but tea. 'I don't see any wine,' she remarked. > > 'There isn't any,' said the March Hare. > > 'Then it wasn't very civil of you to offer it,' said Alice angrily. > > 'It wasn't very civil of you to sit down without being invited,' said the March Hare. > > 'I didn't know it was YOUR table,' said Alice; 'it's laid for a great many more than three.' > > 'Your hair wants cutting,' said the Hatter. He had been looking at Alice for some time with great curiosity, and this was his first speech. > > 'You should learn not to make personal remarks,' Alice said with some severity; 'it's very rude.' > > The Hatter opened his eyes very wide on hearing this; but all he SAID was, 'Why is a raven like a writing-desk?' > > 'Come, we shall have some fun now!' thought Alice. 'I'm glad they've begun asking riddles.-I believe I can guess that,' she added aloud. > > 'Do you mean that you think you can find out the answer to it?' said the March Hare. > > 'Exactly so,' said Alice. > > 'Then you should say what you mean,' the March Hare went on. > > 'I do,' Alice hastily replied; 'at least-at least I mean what I say-that's the same thing, you know.' > > 'Not the same thing a bit!' said the Hatter. 'You might just as well say that " I see what I eat " is the same thing as " I eat what I see " !' > > 'You might just as well say,' added the March Hare, 'that " I like what I get " is the same thing as " I get what I like " !' > > 'You might just as well say,' added the Dormouse, who seemed to be talking in his sleep, 'that " I breathe when I sleep " is the same thing as " I sleep when I breathe " !' > > 'It IS the same thing with you,' said the Hatter, and here the conversation dropped, and the party sat silent for a minute, while Alice thought over all she could remember about ravens and writing-desks, which wasn't much. > > The Hatter was the first to break the silence. 'What day of the month is it?' he said, turning to Alice: he had taken his watch out of his pocket, and was looking at it uneasily, shaking it every now and then, and holding it to his ear. > > Alice considered a little, and then said 'The fourth.' > > 'Two days wrong!' sighed the Hatter. 'I told you butter wouldn't suit the works!' he added looking angrily at the March Hare... > > 'Take some more tea,' the March Hare said to Alice, very earnestly. > > 'I've had nothing yet,' Alice replied in an offended tone, 'so I can't take more.' > > 'You mean you can't take LESS,' said the Hatter: 'it's very easy to take MORE than nothing.' > > 'Nobody asked YOUR opinion,' said Alice. > > 'Who's making personal remarks now?' the Hatter asked triumphantly. > > > http://www.gutenberg.org11/11-h/11-h.htm > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2010 Report Share Posted April 2, 2010 mmmmmm.. if Alice could take us through that Looking Glass.. whirling kaleidoscopic-like in regular polytopes.. to the Rules of the game: Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe wrote: > > Thanks Gloria, enjoyed the tea; it tasted like a blend of > grey earl and red queen with a touch of single malt or so > da > > -Lene Nisargadatta , " Gloria Wilson " <gloriawilson@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > Lene > > Nisargadatta > > Monday, March 29, 2010 8:54 AM > > Re: Alice in Wonderland > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Gloria Wilson " <gloriawilson@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Oh, boy. I loved the book, though for some reason I haven't read " Through the Looking Glass " . Maybe this is the reason I didn't love the movie, for .bb.b. says the movie was based on both books. I thought the art was magnificent, and the acting was great, but the " holy book " that Pete spoke of disappeared into Tim Burtonland. I love the dialog in the book. And it seems to lose all power when paraphrased, as it was in the movie. Nevertheless, I will probably go again and see it in 3D...the book is certainly a journey about self-discovery, but I didn't get that from the movie, at least as clearly. > > > > > Gloria > > > > > > > > > > PS > > > > > .bb.b., I probably deserve to get flamed for this, huh? > > > > > > > > > > > > Absolutely I never read the book, just watched the movie in > > > 3D at a huge cinema. Was fabulous. If for no other reason then > > > because the magnificent Depp is in it. > > > > > > The selfdiscovery? When Alice found out the dream was hers and > > > noone else's and she took the responsibility for what happened > > > - when she stopped being told and became the teller. > > > > > > This is my dream - you are but a figment of it. But - said the > > > hatter - that means that I do not really exist - Quite so. You > > > do not exist outside my dream. > > > > The truth was revealed to Alice " down under " (the subconscious), > > and she brought it with her to the " up over " (the conscious) and > > acted in accordance with the truth (this is a dream but it is my > > dream and I decide what I will do with it, I take responsibility > > for my life). > > > > Life is a dream - the subconscious and the conscious is the same > > and the message is I can't blame or thank anyone else but myself > > for how the dream unfolds. > > > > -Lene > > > > > > I felt that Alice in the book certainly went through a rite of passage, and became better able to control her dream. The reader however was gifted with a much bigger picture, and through seeing the extraordinary events alongside her rather ordinary responses, was shown the futility of even believing in (and responding to) dreams, or so I thought. I missed that in the movie--I couldn't get away from Alice's perspective and actually already don't quite remember much of it, except for the red queen, who was amazing. Johnny Depp is one of my favorites of all time, but I thought the mad hatter was a disappointment. > > > > " Jehovah! " , (for those of you with stones in each hand.) > > > > Here are a couple of passages from the book , the second one being the intro to the mad hatter. > > > > The Caterpillar and Alice looked at each other for some time in silence: at last the Caterpillar tookthe hookah out of its mouth, and addressed her in a languid, sleepy voice. > > > > 'Who are YOU?' said the Caterpillar. > > > > This was not an encouraging opening for a conversation. Alice replied, rather shyly, 'I-I hardly know, sir, just at present-at least I know who I WAS when I got up this morning, but I think I must have been changed several times since then.' > > > > 'What do you mean by that?' said the Caterpillar sternly. 'Explain yourself!' > > > > 'I can't explain MYSELF, I'm afraid, sir' said Alice, 'because I'm not myself, you see.' > > > > 'I don't see,' said the Caterpillar. > > > > 'I'm afraid I can't put it more clearly,' Alice replied very politely, 'for I can't understand it myself to begin with; and being so many different sizes in a day is very confusing.' > > > > 'It isn't,' said the Caterpillar. > > > > 'Well, perhaps you haven't found it so yet,' said Alice; 'but when you have to turn into a chrysalis-you will some day, you know-and then after that into a butterfly, I should think you'll feel it a little queer, won't you?' > > > > 'Not a bit,' said the Caterpillar. > > > > 'Well, perhaps your feelings may be different,' said Alice; 'all I know is, it would feel very queer to ME.' > > > > 'You!' said the Caterpillar contemptuously. 'Who are YOU?' > > > > Which brought them back again to the beginning of the conversation. Alice felt a little irritated at the Caterpillar's making such VERY short remarks, and she drew herself up and said, very gravely, 'I think, you ought to tell me who YOU are, first.' > > > > 'Why?' said the Caterpillar. > > > > Here was another puzzling question; and as Alice could not think of any good reason, and as the Caterpillar seemed to be in a VERY unpleasant state of mind, she turned away. > > > > 'Come back!' the Caterpillar called after her. 'I've something important to say!' > > > > This sounded promising, certainly: Alice turned and came back again. > > > > 'Keep your temper,' said the Caterpillar. > > > > .......................... > > > > There was a table set out under a tree in front of the house, and the March Hare and the Hatter were having tea at it: a Dormouse was sitting between them, fast asleep, and the other two were using it as a cushion, resting their elbows on it, and talking over its head. 'Very uncomfortable for the Dormouse,' thought Alice; 'only, as it's asleep, I suppose it doesn't mind.' > > > > The table was a large one, but the three were all crowded together at one corner of it: 'No room! No room!' they cried out when they saw Alice coming. 'There's PLENTY of room!' said Alice indignantly, and she sat down in a large arm-chair at one end of the table. > > > > 'Have some wine,' the March Hare said in an encouraging tone. > > > > Alice looked all round the table, but there was nothing on it but tea. 'I don't see any wine,' she remarked. > > > > 'There isn't any,' said the March Hare. > > > > 'Then it wasn't very civil of you to offer it,' said Alice angrily. > > > > 'It wasn't very civil of you to sit down without being invited,' said the March Hare. > > > > 'I didn't know it was YOUR table,' said Alice; 'it's laid for a great many more than three.' > > > > 'Your hair wants cutting,' said the Hatter. He had been looking at Alice for some time with great curiosity, and this was his first speech. > > > > 'You should learn not to make personal remarks,' Alice said with some severity; 'it's very rude.' > > > > The Hatter opened his eyes very wide on hearing this; but all he SAID was, 'Why is a raven like a writing-desk?' > > > > 'Come, we shall have some fun now!' thought Alice. 'I'm glad they've begun asking riddles.-I believe I can guess that,' she added aloud. > > > > 'Do you mean that you think you can find out the answer to it?' said the March Hare. > > > > 'Exactly so,' said Alice. > > > > 'Then you should say what you mean,' the March Hare went on. > > > > 'I do,' Alice hastily replied; 'at least-at least I mean what I say-that's the same thing, you know.' > > > > 'Not the same thing a bit!' said the Hatter. 'You might just as well say that " I see what I eat " is the same thing as " I eat what I see " !' > > > > 'You might just as well say,' added the March Hare, 'that " I like what I get " is the same thing as " I get what I like " !' > > > > 'You might just as well say,' added the Dormouse, who seemed to be talking in his sleep, 'that " I breathe when I sleep " is the same thing as " I sleep when I breathe " !' > > > > 'It IS the same thing with you,' said the Hatter, and here the conversation dropped, and the party sat silent for a minute, while Alice thought over all she could remember about ravens and writing-desks, which wasn't much. > > > > The Hatter was the first to break the silence. 'What day of the month is it?' he said, turning to Alice: he had taken his watch out of his pocket, and was looking at it uneasily, shaking it every now and then, and holding it to his ear. > > > > Alice considered a little, and then said 'The fourth.' > > > > 'Two days wrong!' sighed the Hatter. 'I told you butter wouldn't suit the works!' he added looking angrily at the March Hare... > > > > 'Take some more tea,' the March Hare said to Alice, very earnestly. > > > > 'I've had nothing yet,' Alice replied in an offended tone, 'so I can't take more.' > > > > 'You mean you can't take LESS,' said the Hatter: 'it's very easy to take MORE than nothing.' > > > > 'Nobody asked YOUR opinion,' said Alice. > > > > 'Who's making personal remarks now?' the Hatter asked triumphantly. > > > > > > http://www.gutenberg.org11/11-h/11-h.htm > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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