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" When there is the conviction that there is a separate inner entity, then there

will be the same conviction in some next life " ...or something like that - is

often said. But is that not just pure speculation, pure theory? When the light

of this consciousness is gone, who knows what will happen next? Who can say that

whatever conviction or lack of it in this life will hold in some next event? We

know nothing about it. There may be the perception of non-dual awareness here

and now....bu the body will die, memory lost, consciousness gone,

and........and.......and.......then.....then.....WHAT? IMHO nobady knows. There

may be a " next " life as a frog, or a human even more egotistic then the one here

now, or perhaps something totaly /completely different....Or perhaps I am

mistaken?

-geo-

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Nisargadatta , " Geovani " <inandor wrote:

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> " When there is the conviction that there is a separate inner entity, then

there will be the same conviction in some next life " ...or something like that -

is often said. But is that not just pure speculation, pure theory? When the

light of this consciousness is gone, who knows what will happen next? Who can

say that whatever conviction or lack of it in this life will hold in some next

event? We know nothing about it. There may be the perception of non-dual

awareness here and now....bu the body will die, memory lost, consciousness gone,

and........and.......and.......then.....then.....WHAT? IMHO nobady knows. There

may be a " next " life as a frog, or a human even more egotistic then the one here

now, or perhaps something totaly /completely different....Or perhaps I am

mistaken?

> -geo-

 

 

it doesn't matter.

 

you're going to die.

 

and it still doesn't matter.

 

what's the matter with THAT?

 

..b b.b.

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Saturday, August 01, 2009 7:38 PM

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Nisargadatta , " Geovani " <inandor wrote:

>

> " When there is the conviction that there is a separate inner entity, then

> there will be the same conviction in some next life " ...or something like

> that - is often said. But is that not just pure speculation, pure theory?

> When the light of this consciousness is gone, who knows what will happen

> next? Who can say that whatever conviction or lack of it in this life will

> hold in some next event? We know nothing about it. There may be the

> perception of non-dual awareness here and now....bu the body will die,

> memory lost, consciousness gone,

> and........and.......and.......then.....then.....WHAT? IMHO nobady knows.

> There may be a " next " life as a frog, or a human even more egotistic then

> the one here now, or perhaps something totaly /completely different....Or

> perhaps I am mistaken?

> -geo-

 

it doesn't matter.

 

you're going to die.

 

and it still doesn't matter.

 

what's the matter with THAT?

 

..b b.b.

 

I dont know. If it matters or not may be just a personal " subjective

opinion " .

-geo-

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

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>

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> roberibus111

> Nisargadatta

> Saturday, August 01, 2009 7:38 PM

> Re: And then what.......?

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " Geovani " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> > " When there is the conviction that there is a separate inner entity, then

> > there will be the same conviction in some next life " ...or something like

> > that - is often said. But is that not just pure speculation, pure theory?

> > When the light of this consciousness is gone, who knows what will happen

> > next? Who can say that whatever conviction or lack of it in this life will

> > hold in some next event? We know nothing about it. There may be the

> > perception of non-dual awareness here and now....bu the body will die,

> > memory lost, consciousness gone,

> > and........and.......and.......then.....then.....WHAT? IMHO nobady knows.

> > There may be a " next " life as a frog, or a human even more egotistic then

> > the one here now, or perhaps something totaly /completely different....Or

> > perhaps I am mistaken?

> > -geo-

>

> it doesn't matter.

>

> you're going to die.

>

> and it still doesn't matter.

>

> what's the matter with THAT?

>

> .b b.b.

>

> I dont know. If it matters or not may be just a personal " subjective

> opinion " .

> -geo-

 

 

there's no such stuff:

 

hooey and poppycock.

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " Geovani " <inandor wrote:

>

> " When there is the conviction that there is a separate inner entity, then

there will be the same conviction in some next life " ...or something like that -

is often said. But is that not just pure speculation, pure theory? When the

light of this consciousness is gone, who knows what will happen next? Who can

say that whatever conviction or lack of it in this life will hold in some next

event? We know nothing about it. There may be the perception of non-dual

awareness here and now....bu the body will die, memory lost, consciousness gone,

and........and.......and.......then.....then.....WHAT? IMHO nobady knows. There

may be a " next " life as a frog, or a human even more egotistic then the one here

now, or perhaps something totaly /completely different....Or perhaps I am

mistaken?

> -geo-

 

hi geo -

 

lives are not arranged linearly, not even for one life, let alone for many.

 

only the imagined center can pretend that it has a position in a brain from

which to calculate a line of lives going forward and back.

 

there is no before or after, except when conceptually imagining, based on the

fictitious center.

 

and since imagining befores and afters and straight lines leads to having jobs,

building cities and highways, winning wars, and so on ... it gained a lot of

popularity over the centuries.

 

without ever having a vote, the imagined center and its line of befores and

afters was put into office.

 

and it's been reigning as the dictator for a long time.

 

only, there isn't any (time that is).

 

so, the deposing of the dictator who never got elected is an ever-immanent

event.

 

this nothing is the nothing before you were born, while you are breathing, and

after this body's last breath.

 

the breathing of this body is involuntary.

 

so is everything else.

 

 

- D -

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Saturday, August 01, 2009 9:35 PM

Re: And then what.......?

 

 

Nisargadatta , " Geovani " <inandor wrote:

>

> " When there is the conviction that there is a separate inner entity, then

> there will be the same conviction in some next life " ...or something like

> that - is often said. But is that not just pure speculation, pure theory?

> When the light of this consciousness is gone, who knows what will happen

> next? Who can say that whatever conviction or lack of it in this life will

> hold in some next event? We know nothing about it. There may be the

> perception of non-dual awareness here and now....bu the body will die,

> memory lost, consciousness gone,

> and........and.......and.......then.....then.....WHAT? IMHO nobady knows.

> There may be a " next " life as a frog, or a human even more egotistic then

> the one here now, or perhaps something totaly /completely different....Or

> perhaps I am mistaken?

> -geo-

 

hi geo -

 

lives are not arranged linearly, not even for one life, let alone for many.

 

only the imagined center can pretend that it has a position in a brain from

which to calculate a line of lives going forward and back.

 

there is no before or after, except when conceptually imagining, based on

the fictitious center.

 

and since imagining befores and afters and straight lines leads to having

jobs, building cities and highways, winning wars, and so on ... it gained a

lot of popularity over the centuries.

 

without ever having a vote, the imagined center and its line of befores and

afters was put into office.

 

and it's been reigning as the dictator for a long time.

 

only, there isn't any (time that is).

 

so, the deposing of the dictator who never got elected is an ever-immanent

event.

 

this nothing is the nothing before you were born, while you are breathing,

and after this body's last breath.

 

the breathing of this body is involuntary.

 

so is everything else.

 

- D -

 

Yes I see it the same way, although I am not sure whether it adresses the

issue raised: that we dont know. But...is there anything we could say about

the matter of this non-linear matrix of events that we learned to call life,

or lives? Perhaps if one considers very carefully, with profundity, the

meaning of " love " and " absolute aloness " and " no authorithy " or some other

names in place....maybe then one could speculate upon the " direction " of the

nature of this unknown matrix...

-geo-

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

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>

> -

> dan330033

> Nisargadatta

> Saturday, August 01, 2009 9:35 PM

> Re: And then what.......?

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " Geovani " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> > " When there is the conviction that there is a separate inner entity, then

> > there will be the same conviction in some next life " ...or something like

> > that - is often said. But is that not just pure speculation, pure theory?

> > When the light of this consciousness is gone, who knows what will happen

> > next? Who can say that whatever conviction or lack of it in this life will

> > hold in some next event? We know nothing about it. There may be the

> > perception of non-dual awareness here and now....bu the body will die,

> > memory lost, consciousness gone,

> > and........and.......and.......then.....then.....WHAT? IMHO nobady knows.

> > There may be a " next " life as a frog, or a human even more egotistic then

> > the one here now, or perhaps something totaly /completely different....Or

> > perhaps I am mistaken?

> > -geo-

>

> hi geo -

>

> lives are not arranged linearly, not even for one life, let alone for many.

>

> only the imagined center can pretend that it has a position in a brain from

> which to calculate a line of lives going forward and back.

>

> there is no before or after, except when conceptually imagining, based on

> the fictitious center.

>

> and since imagining befores and afters and straight lines leads to having

> jobs, building cities and highways, winning wars, and so on ... it gained a

> lot of popularity over the centuries.

>

> without ever having a vote, the imagined center and its line of befores and

> afters was put into office.

>

> and it's been reigning as the dictator for a long time.

>

> only, there isn't any (time that is).

>

> so, the deposing of the dictator who never got elected is an ever-immanent

> event.

>

> this nothing is the nothing before you were born, while you are breathing,

> and after this body's last breath.

>

> the breathing of this body is involuntary.

>

> so is everything else.

>

> - D -

>

> Yes I see it the same way, although I am not sure whether it adresses the

> issue raised: that we dont know. But...is there anything we could say about

> the matter of this non-linear matrix of events that we learned to call life,

> or lives? Perhaps if one considers very carefully, with profundity, the

> meaning of " love " and " absolute aloness " and " no authorithy " or some other

> names in place....maybe then one could speculate upon the " direction " of the

> nature of this unknown matrix...

> -geo-

 

 

 

but then such speculation itself would arise..

 

as an array " considered " as:

 

a rectangular array of quantities or expressions..

 

set out in and within rows and columns..

 

treated as a single element and manipulated according to Laws.

 

unknowingly as unknown.

 

..b b.b.

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Sunday, August 02, 2009 12:22 PM

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

>

> -

> dan330033

> Nisargadatta

> Saturday, August 01, 2009 9:35 PM

> Re: And then what.......?

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " Geovani " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> > " When there is the conviction that there is a separate inner entity,

> > then

> > there will be the same conviction in some next life " ...or something like

> > that - is often said. But is that not just pure speculation, pure

> > theory?

> > When the light of this consciousness is gone, who knows what will happen

> > next? Who can say that whatever conviction or lack of it in this life

> > will

> > hold in some next event? We know nothing about it. There may be the

> > perception of non-dual awareness here and now....bu the body will die,

> > memory lost, consciousness gone,

> > and........and.......and.......then.....then.....WHAT? IMHO nobady

> > knows.

> > There may be a " next " life as a frog, or a human even more egotistic

> > then

> > the one here now, or perhaps something totaly /completely

> > different....Or

> > perhaps I am mistaken?

> > -geo-

>

> hi geo -

>

> lives are not arranged linearly, not even for one life, let alone for

> many.

>

> only the imagined center can pretend that it has a position in a brain

> from

> which to calculate a line of lives going forward and back.

>

> there is no before or after, except when conceptually imagining, based on

> the fictitious center.

>

> and since imagining befores and afters and straight lines leads to having

> jobs, building cities and highways, winning wars, and so on ... it gained

> a

> lot of popularity over the centuries.

>

> without ever having a vote, the imagined center and its line of befores

> and

> afters was put into office.

>

> and it's been reigning as the dictator for a long time.

>

> only, there isn't any (time that is).

>

> so, the deposing of the dictator who never got elected is an ever-immanent

> event.

>

> this nothing is the nothing before you were born, while you are breathing,

> and after this body's last breath.

>

> the breathing of this body is involuntary.

>

> so is everything else.

>

> - D -

>

> Yes I see it the same way, although I am not sure whether it adresses the

> issue raised: that we dont know. But...is there anything we could say

> about

> the matter of this non-linear matrix of events that we learned to call

> life,

> or lives? Perhaps if one considers very carefully, with profundity, the

> meaning of " love " and " absolute aloness " and " no authorithy " or some other

> names in place....maybe then one could speculate upon the " direction " of

> the

> nature of this unknown matrix...

> -geo-

 

but then such speculation itself would arise..

 

as an array " considered " as:

 

a rectangular array of quantities or expressions..

 

set out in and within rows and columns..

 

treated as a single element and manipulated according to Laws.

-bbb-

 

Of course. Very litlle chance that such thing would not happen.

-geo-

 

unknowingly as unknown.

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

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> roberibus111

> Nisargadatta

> Sunday, August 02, 2009 12:22 PM

> Re: And then what.......?

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > -

> > dan330033

> > Nisargadatta

> > Saturday, August 01, 2009 9:35 PM

> > Re: And then what.......?

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Geovani " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > > " When there is the conviction that there is a separate inner entity,

> > > then

> > > there will be the same conviction in some next life " ...or something like

> > > that - is often said. But is that not just pure speculation, pure

> > > theory?

> > > When the light of this consciousness is gone, who knows what will happen

> > > next? Who can say that whatever conviction or lack of it in this life

> > > will

> > > hold in some next event? We know nothing about it. There may be the

> > > perception of non-dual awareness here and now....bu the body will die,

> > > memory lost, consciousness gone,

> > > and........and.......and.......then.....then.....WHAT? IMHO nobady

> > > knows.

> > > There may be a " next " life as a frog, or a human even more egotistic

> > > then

> > > the one here now, or perhaps something totaly /completely

> > > different....Or

> > > perhaps I am mistaken?

> > > -geo-

> >

> > hi geo -

> >

> > lives are not arranged linearly, not even for one life, let alone for

> > many.

> >

> > only the imagined center can pretend that it has a position in a brain

> > from

> > which to calculate a line of lives going forward and back.

> >

> > there is no before or after, except when conceptually imagining, based on

> > the fictitious center.

> >

> > and since imagining befores and afters and straight lines leads to having

> > jobs, building cities and highways, winning wars, and so on ... it gained

> > a

> > lot of popularity over the centuries.

> >

> > without ever having a vote, the imagined center and its line of befores

> > and

> > afters was put into office.

> >

> > and it's been reigning as the dictator for a long time.

> >

> > only, there isn't any (time that is).

> >

> > so, the deposing of the dictator who never got elected is an ever-immanent

> > event.

> >

> > this nothing is the nothing before you were born, while you are breathing,

> > and after this body's last breath.

> >

> > the breathing of this body is involuntary.

> >

> > so is everything else.

> >

> > - D -

> >

> > Yes I see it the same way, although I am not sure whether it adresses the

> > issue raised: that we dont know. But...is there anything we could say

> > about

> > the matter of this non-linear matrix of events that we learned to call

> > life,

> > or lives? Perhaps if one considers very carefully, with profundity, the

> > meaning of " love " and " absolute aloness " and " no authorithy " or some other

> > names in place....maybe then one could speculate upon the " direction " of

> > the

> > nature of this unknown matrix...

> > -geo-

>

> but then such speculation itself would arise..

>

> as an array " considered " as:

>

> a rectangular array of quantities or expressions..

>

> set out in and within rows and columns..

>

> treated as a single element and manipulated according to Laws.

> -bbb-

>

> Of course. Very litlle chance that such thing would not happen.

> -geo-

 

 

 

there are no such things as things so:

 

it can never happen.

 

nothings happens.

 

that's all that happens.

 

not even that.

 

it's the:

 

> unknowingly as unknown.

>

> .b b.b.

>

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

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>

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> dan330033

> Nisargadatta

> Saturday, August 01, 2009 9:35 PM

> Re: And then what.......?

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " Geovani " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> > " When there is the conviction that there is a separate inner entity, then

> > there will be the same conviction in some next life " ...or something like

> > that - is often said. But is that not just pure speculation, pure theory?

> > When the light of this consciousness is gone, who knows what will happen

> > next? Who can say that whatever conviction or lack of it in this life will

> > hold in some next event? We know nothing about it. There may be the

> > perception of non-dual awareness here and now....bu the body will die,

> > memory lost, consciousness gone,

> > and........and.......and.......then.....then.....WHAT? IMHO nobady knows.

> > There may be a " next " life as a frog, or a human even more egotistic then

> > the one here now, or perhaps something totaly /completely different....Or

> > perhaps I am mistaken?

> > -geo-

>

> hi geo -

>

> lives are not arranged linearly, not even for one life, let alone for many.

>

> only the imagined center can pretend that it has a position in a brain from

> which to calculate a line of lives going forward and back.

>

> there is no before or after, except when conceptually imagining, based on

> the fictitious center.

>

> and since imagining befores and afters and straight lines leads to having

> jobs, building cities and highways, winning wars, and so on ... it gained a

> lot of popularity over the centuries.

>

> without ever having a vote, the imagined center and its line of befores and

> afters was put into office.

>

> and it's been reigning as the dictator for a long time.

>

> only, there isn't any (time that is).

>

> so, the deposing of the dictator who never got elected is an ever-immanent

> event.

>

> this nothing is the nothing before you were born, while you are breathing,

> and after this body's last breath.

>

> the breathing of this body is involuntary.

>

> so is everything else.

>

> - D -

>

> Yes I see it the same way, although I am not sure whether it adresses the

> issue raised: that we dont know. But...is there anything we could say about

> the matter of this non-linear matrix of events that we learned to call life,

> or lives? Perhaps if one considers very carefully, with profundity, the

> meaning of " love " and " absolute aloness " and " no authorithy " or some other

> names in place....maybe then one could speculate upon the " direction " of the

> nature of this unknown matrix...

> -geo-

 

the nonlinear matrix is quite amazing fun.

 

things, experiences, lives popping in and out.

 

perceivers with perceived.

 

endless mirrors.

 

endless dramas.

 

endless forms.

 

never knowing.

 

- d -

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

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> roberibus111

> Nisargadatta

> Sunday, August 02, 2009 12:22 PM

> Re: And then what.......?

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > -

> > dan330033

> > Nisargadatta

> > Saturday, August 01, 2009 9:35 PM

> > Re: And then what.......?

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Geovani " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > > " When there is the conviction that there is a separate inner entity,

> > > then

> > > there will be the same conviction in some next life " ...or something like

> > > that - is often said. But is that not just pure speculation, pure

> > > theory?

> > > When the light of this consciousness is gone, who knows what will happen

> > > next? Who can say that whatever conviction or lack of it in this life

> > > will

> > > hold in some next event? We know nothing about it. There may be the

> > > perception of non-dual awareness here and now....bu the body will die,

> > > memory lost, consciousness gone,

> > > and........and.......and.......then.....then.....WHAT? IMHO nobady

> > > knows.

> > > There may be a " next " life as a frog, or a human even more egotistic

> > > then

> > > the one here now, or perhaps something totaly /completely

> > > different....Or

> > > perhaps I am mistaken?

> > > -geo-

> >

> > hi geo -

> >

> > lives are not arranged linearly, not even for one life, let alone for

> > many.

> >

> > only the imagined center can pretend that it has a position in a brain

> > from

> > which to calculate a line of lives going forward and back.

> >

> > there is no before or after, except when conceptually imagining, based on

> > the fictitious center.

> >

> > and since imagining befores and afters and straight lines leads to having

> > jobs, building cities and highways, winning wars, and so on ... it gained

> > a

> > lot of popularity over the centuries.

> >

> > without ever having a vote, the imagined center and its line of befores

> > and

> > afters was put into office.

> >

> > and it's been reigning as the dictator for a long time.

> >

> > only, there isn't any (time that is).

> >

> > so, the deposing of the dictator who never got elected is an ever-immanent

> > event.

> >

> > this nothing is the nothing before you were born, while you are breathing,

> > and after this body's last breath.

> >

> > the breathing of this body is involuntary.

> >

> > so is everything else.

> >

> > - D -

> >

> > Yes I see it the same way, although I am not sure whether it adresses the

> > issue raised: that we dont know. But...is there anything we could say

> > about

> > the matter of this non-linear matrix of events that we learned to call

> > life,

> > or lives? Perhaps if one considers very carefully, with profundity, the

> > meaning of " love " and " absolute aloness " and " no authorithy " or some other

> > names in place....maybe then one could speculate upon the " direction " of

> > the

> > nature of this unknown matrix...

> > -geo-

>

> but then such speculation itself would arise..

>

> as an array " considered " as:

>

> a rectangular array of quantities or expressions..

>

> set out in and within rows and columns..

>

> treated as a single element and manipulated according to Laws.

> -bbb-

>

> Of course. Very litlle chance that such thing would not happen.

> -geo-

>

> unknowingly as unknown.

>

> .b b.b.

>

 

 

 

 

For us poor

enlightened lot.......

it's all a

kaleidoscopic

wack-a-mot.

 

 

 

LOL

 

 

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

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>

> -

> roberibus111

> Nisargadatta

> Sunday, August 02, 2009 12:22 PM

> Re: And then what.......?

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > -

> > dan330033

> > Nisargadatta

> > Saturday, August 01, 2009 9:35 PM

> > Re: And then what.......?

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Geovani " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > > " When there is the conviction that there is a separate inner entity,

> > > then

> > > there will be the same conviction in some next life " ...or something

> > > like

> > > that - is often said. But is that not just pure speculation, pure

> > > theory?

> > > When the light of this consciousness is gone, who knows what will

> > > happen

> > > next? Who can say that whatever conviction or lack of it in this life

> > > will

> > > hold in some next event? We know nothing about it. There may be the

> > > perception of non-dual awareness here and now....bu the body will die,

> > > memory lost, consciousness gone,

> > > and........and.......and.......then.....then.....WHAT? IMHO nobady

> > > knows.

> > > There may be a " next " life as a frog, or a human even more egotistic

> > > then

> > > the one here now, or perhaps something totaly /completely

> > > different....Or

> > > perhaps I am mistaken?

> > > -geo-

> >

> > hi geo -

> >

> > lives are not arranged linearly, not even for one life, let alone for

> > many.

> >

> > only the imagined center can pretend that it has a position in a brain

> > from

> > which to calculate a line of lives going forward and back.

> >

> > there is no before or after, except when conceptually imagining, based

> > on

> > the fictitious center.

> >

> > and since imagining befores and afters and straight lines leads to

> > having

> > jobs, building cities and highways, winning wars, and so on ... it

> > gained

> > a

> > lot of popularity over the centuries.

> >

> > without ever having a vote, the imagined center and its line of befores

> > and

> > afters was put into office.

> >

> > and it's been reigning as the dictator for a long time.

> >

> > only, there isn't any (time that is).

> >

> > so, the deposing of the dictator who never got elected is an

> > ever-immanent

> > event.

> >

> > this nothing is the nothing before you were born, while you are

> > breathing,

> > and after this body's last breath.

> >

> > the breathing of this body is involuntary.

> >

> > so is everything else.

> >

> > - D -

> >

> > Yes I see it the same way, although I am not sure whether it adresses

> > the

> > issue raised: that we dont know. But...is there anything we could say

> > about

> > the matter of this non-linear matrix of events that we learned to call

> > life,

> > or lives? Perhaps if one considers very carefully, with profundity, the

> > meaning of " love " and " absolute aloness " and " no authorithy " or some

> > other

> > names in place....maybe then one could speculate upon the " direction " of

> > the

> > nature of this unknown matrix...

> > -geo-

>

> but then such speculation itself would arise..

>

> as an array " considered " as:

>

> a rectangular array of quantities or expressions..

>

> set out in and within rows and columns..

>

> treated as a single element and manipulated according to Laws.

> -bbb-

>

> Of course. Very litlle chance that such thing would not happen.

> -geo-

 

there are no such things as things so:

 

it can never happen.

-bbb-

 

Nonesense. Your just playing with the word " things "

-geo-

 

 

nothings happens.

 

that's all that happens.

 

not even that.

 

it's the:

 

> unknowingly as unknown.

>

> .b b.b.

 

Your just playing with the word " things "

-geo-

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Sunday, August 02, 2009 2:14 PM

Re: And then what.......?

 

 

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

>

> -

> dan330033

> Nisargadatta

> Saturday, August 01, 2009 9:35 PM

> Re: And then what.......?

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " Geovani " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> > " When there is the conviction that there is a separate inner entity,

> > then

> > there will be the same conviction in some next life " ...or something like

> > that - is often said. But is that not just pure speculation, pure

> > theory?

> > When the light of this consciousness is gone, who knows what will happen

> > next? Who can say that whatever conviction or lack of it in this life

> > will

> > hold in some next event? We know nothing about it. There may be the

> > perception of non-dual awareness here and now....bu the body will die,

> > memory lost, consciousness gone,

> > and........and.......and.......then.....then.....WHAT? IMHO nobady

> > knows.

> > There may be a " next " life as a frog, or a human even more egotistic

> > then

> > the one here now, or perhaps something totaly /completely

> > different....Or

> > perhaps I am mistaken?

> > -geo-

>

> hi geo -

>

> lives are not arranged linearly, not even for one life, let alone for

> many.

>

> only the imagined center can pretend that it has a position in a brain

> from

> which to calculate a line of lives going forward and back.

>

> there is no before or after, except when conceptually imagining, based on

> the fictitious center.

>

> and since imagining befores and afters and straight lines leads to having

> jobs, building cities and highways, winning wars, and so on ... it gained

> a

> lot of popularity over the centuries.

>

> without ever having a vote, the imagined center and its line of befores

> and

> afters was put into office.

>

> and it's been reigning as the dictator for a long time.

>

> only, there isn't any (time that is).

>

> so, the deposing of the dictator who never got elected is an ever-immanent

> event.

>

> this nothing is the nothing before you were born, while you are breathing,

> and after this body's last breath.

>

> the breathing of this body is involuntary.

>

> so is everything else.

>

> - D -

>

> Yes I see it the same way, although I am not sure whether it adresses the

> issue raised: that we dont know. But...is there anything we could say

> about

> the matter of this non-linear matrix of events that we learned to call

> life,

> or lives? Perhaps if one considers very carefully, with profundity, the

> meaning of " love " and " absolute aloness " and " no authorithy " or some other

> names in place....maybe then one could speculate upon the " direction " of

> the

> nature of this unknown matrix...

> -geo-

 

the nonlinear matrix is quite amazing fun.

 

things, experiences, lives popping in and out.

 

perceivers with perceived.

 

endless mirrors.

 

endless dramas.

 

endless forms.

 

never knowing.

 

- d -

 

Or...perhaps... the very same thing happening again and again...nothing ever

happened otherwise..never. Why not...who can tell?

-geo-

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Sunday, August 02, 2009 3:01 PM

Re: And then what.......?

 

 

Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > -

> > dan330033

> > Nisargadatta

> > Saturday, August 01, 2009 9:35 PM

> > Re: And then what.......?

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Geovani " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > > " When there is the conviction that there is a separate inner entity,

> > > then

> > > there will be the same conviction in some next life " ...or something

> > > like

> > > that - is often said. But is that not just pure speculation, pure

> > > theory?

> > > When the light of this consciousness is gone, who knows what will

> > > happen

> > > next? Who can say that whatever conviction or lack of it in this life

> > > will

> > > hold in some next event? We know nothing about it. There may be the

> > > perception of non-dual awareness here and now....bu the body will die,

> > > memory lost, consciousness gone,

> > > and........and.......and.......then.....then.....WHAT? IMHO nobady

> > > knows.

> > > There may be a " next " life as a frog, or a human even more egotistic

> > > then

> > > the one here now, or perhaps something totaly /completely

> > > different....Or

> > > perhaps I am mistaken?

> > > -geo-

> >

> > hi geo -

> >

> > lives are not arranged linearly, not even for one life, let alone for

> > many.

> >

> > only the imagined center can pretend that it has a position in a brain

> > from

> > which to calculate a line of lives going forward and back.

> >

> > there is no before or after, except when conceptually imagining, based

> > on

> > the fictitious center.

> >

> > and since imagining befores and afters and straight lines leads to

> > having

> > jobs, building cities and highways, winning wars, and so on ... it

> > gained a

> > lot of popularity over the centuries.

> >

> > without ever having a vote, the imagined center and its line of befores

> > and

> > afters was put into office.

> >

> > and it's been reigning as the dictator for a long time.

> >

> > only, there isn't any (time that is).

> >

> > so, the deposing of the dictator who never got elected is an

> > ever-immanent

> > event.

> >

> > this nothing is the nothing before you were born, while you are

> > breathing,

> > and after this body's last breath.

> >

> > the breathing of this body is involuntary.

> >

> > so is everything else.

> >

> > - D -

> >

> > Yes I see it the same way, although I am not sure whether it adresses

> > the

> > issue raised: that we dont know. But...is there anything we could say

> > about

> > the matter of this non-linear matrix of events that we learned to call

> > life,

> > or lives? Perhaps if one considers very carefully, with profundity, the

> > meaning of " love " and " absolute aloness " and " no authorithy " or some

> > other

> > names in place....maybe then one could speculate upon the " direction " of

> > the

> > nature of this unknown matrix...

> > -geo-

>

> the nonlinear matrix is quite amazing fun.

>

> things, experiences, lives popping in and out.

>

> perceivers with perceived.

>

> endless mirrors.

>

> endless dramas.

>

> endless forms.

>

> never knowing.

>

> - d -

>

 

For us poor enlightened lot.......

it's all

like a kaleidoscopic

wack-a-mole.

 

LOL

 

toombaru

 

Could be. Could be totaly otherwise...

-geo-

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Sunday, August 02, 2009 4:40 PM

Re: Re: And then what.......?

 

 

>

> -

> roberibus111

> Nisargadatta

> Sunday, August 02, 2009 2:05 PM

> Re: And then what.......?

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>>

>>

>> -

>> roberibus111

>> Nisargadatta

>> Sunday, August 02, 2009 12:22 PM

>> Re: And then what.......?

>>

>>

>> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

>> >

>> >

>> > -

>> > dan330033

>> > Nisargadatta

>> > Saturday, August 01, 2009 9:35 PM

>> > Re: And then what.......?

>> >

>> >

>> > Nisargadatta , " Geovani " <inandor@> wrote:

>> > >

>> > > " When there is the conviction that there is a separate inner entity,

>> > > then

>> > > there will be the same conviction in some next life " ...or something

>> > > like

>> > > that - is often said. But is that not just pure speculation, pure

>> > > theory?

>> > > When the light of this consciousness is gone, who knows what will

>> > > happen

>> > > next? Who can say that whatever conviction or lack of it in this life

>> > > will

>> > > hold in some next event? We know nothing about it. There may be the

>> > > perception of non-dual awareness here and now....bu the body will

>> > > die,

>> > > memory lost, consciousness gone,

>> > > and........and.......and.......then.....then.....WHAT? IMHO nobady

>> > > knows.

>> > > There may be a " next " life as a frog, or a human even more egotistic

>> > > then

>> > > the one here now, or perhaps something totaly /completely

>> > > different....Or

>> > > perhaps I am mistaken?

>> > > -geo-

>> >

>> > hi geo -

>> >

>> > lives are not arranged linearly, not even for one life, let alone for

>> > many.

>> >

>> > only the imagined center can pretend that it has a position in a brain

>> > from

>> > which to calculate a line of lives going forward and back.

>> >

>> > there is no before or after, except when conceptually imagining, based

>> > on

>> > the fictitious center.

>> >

>> > and since imagining befores and afters and straight lines leads to

>> > having

>> > jobs, building cities and highways, winning wars, and so on ... it

>> > gained

>> > a

>> > lot of popularity over the centuries.

>> >

>> > without ever having a vote, the imagined center and its line of befores

>> > and

>> > afters was put into office.

>> >

>> > and it's been reigning as the dictator for a long time.

>> >

>> > only, there isn't any (time that is).

>> >

>> > so, the deposing of the dictator who never got elected is an

>> > ever-immanent

>> > event.

>> >

>> > this nothing is the nothing before you were born, while you are

>> > breathing,

>> > and after this body's last breath.

>> >

>> > the breathing of this body is involuntary.

>> >

>> > so is everything else.

>> >

>> > - D -

>> >

>> > Yes I see it the same way, although I am not sure whether it adresses

>> > the

>> > issue raised: that we dont know. But...is there anything we could say

>> > about

>> > the matter of this non-linear matrix of events that we learned to call

>> > life,

>> > or lives? Perhaps if one considers very carefully, with profundity, the

>> > meaning of " love " and " absolute aloness " and " no authorithy " or some

>> > other

>> > names in place....maybe then one could speculate upon the " direction "

>> > of

>> > the

>> > nature of this unknown matrix...

>> > -geo-

>>

>> but then such speculation itself would arise..

>>

>> as an array " considered " as:

>>

>> a rectangular array of quantities or expressions..

>>

>> set out in and within rows and columns..

>>

>> treated as a single element and manipulated according to Laws.

>> -bbb-

>>

>> Of course. Very litlle chance that such thing would not happen.

>> -geo-

>

> there are no such things as things so:

>

> it can never happen.................

> -bbb-

>

Your just playing with the word " things " .

Or, if you prefer, what is the meaning of things in your statement " there

are no such things as things " ?

-geo-

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

>

> -

> dan330033

> Nisargadatta

> Sunday, August 02, 2009 2:14 PM

> Re: And then what.......?

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > -

> > dan330033

> > Nisargadatta

> > Saturday, August 01, 2009 9:35 PM

> > Re: And then what.......?

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Geovani " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > > " When there is the conviction that there is a separate inner entity,

> > > then

> > > there will be the same conviction in some next life " ...or something like

> > > that - is often said. But is that not just pure speculation, pure

> > > theory?

> > > When the light of this consciousness is gone, who knows what will happen

> > > next? Who can say that whatever conviction or lack of it in this life

> > > will

> > > hold in some next event? We know nothing about it. There may be the

> > > perception of non-dual awareness here and now....bu the body will die,

> > > memory lost, consciousness gone,

> > > and........and.......and.......then.....then.....WHAT? IMHO nobady

> > > knows.

> > > There may be a " next " life as a frog, or a human even more egotistic

> > > then

> > > the one here now, or perhaps something totaly /completely

> > > different....Or

> > > perhaps I am mistaken?

> > > -geo-

> >

> > hi geo -

> >

> > lives are not arranged linearly, not even for one life, let alone for

> > many.

> >

> > only the imagined center can pretend that it has a position in a brain

> > from

> > which to calculate a line of lives going forward and back.

> >

> > there is no before or after, except when conceptually imagining, based on

> > the fictitious center.

> >

> > and since imagining befores and afters and straight lines leads to having

> > jobs, building cities and highways, winning wars, and so on ... it gained

> > a

> > lot of popularity over the centuries.

> >

> > without ever having a vote, the imagined center and its line of befores

> > and

> > afters was put into office.

> >

> > and it's been reigning as the dictator for a long time.

> >

> > only, there isn't any (time that is).

> >

> > so, the deposing of the dictator who never got elected is an ever-immanent

> > event.

> >

> > this nothing is the nothing before you were born, while you are breathing,

> > and after this body's last breath.

> >

> > the breathing of this body is involuntary.

> >

> > so is everything else.

> >

> > - D -

> >

> > Yes I see it the same way, although I am not sure whether it adresses the

> > issue raised: that we dont know. But...is there anything we could say

> > about

> > the matter of this non-linear matrix of events that we learned to call

> > life,

> > or lives? Perhaps if one considers very carefully, with profundity, the

> > meaning of " love " and " absolute aloness " and " no authorithy " or some other

> > names in place....maybe then one could speculate upon the " direction " of

> > the

> > nature of this unknown matrix...

> > -geo-

>

> the nonlinear matrix is quite amazing fun.

>

> things, experiences, lives popping in and out.

>

> perceivers with perceived.

>

> endless mirrors.

>

> endless dramas.

>

> endless forms.

>

> never knowing.

>

> - d -

>

> Or...perhaps... the very same thing happening again and again...nothing ever

> happened otherwise..never. Why not...who can tell?

> -geo-

 

 

The meaning of anything said is past.

 

-- Dan --

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> roberibus111

> Nisargadatta

> Sunday, August 02, 2009 2:05 PM

> Re: And then what.......?

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > -

> > roberibus111

> > Nisargadatta

> > Sunday, August 02, 2009 12:22 PM

> > Re: And then what.......?

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > dan330033

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Saturday, August 01, 2009 9:35 PM

> > > Re: And then what.......?

> > >

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Geovani " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > " When there is the conviction that there is a separate inner entity,

> > > > then

> > > > there will be the same conviction in some next life " ...or something

> > > > like

> > > > that - is often said. But is that not just pure speculation, pure

> > > > theory?

> > > > When the light of this consciousness is gone, who knows what will

> > > > happen

> > > > next? Who can say that whatever conviction or lack of it in this life

> > > > will

> > > > hold in some next event? We know nothing about it. There may be the

> > > > perception of non-dual awareness here and now....bu the body will die,

> > > > memory lost, consciousness gone,

> > > > and........and.......and.......then.....then.....WHAT? IMHO nobady

> > > > knows.

> > > > There may be a " next " life as a frog, or a human even more egotistic

> > > > then

> > > > the one here now, or perhaps something totaly /completely

> > > > different....Or

> > > > perhaps I am mistaken?

> > > > -geo-

> > >

> > > hi geo -

> > >

> > > lives are not arranged linearly, not even for one life, let alone for

> > > many.

> > >

> > > only the imagined center can pretend that it has a position in a brain

> > > from

> > > which to calculate a line of lives going forward and back.

> > >

> > > there is no before or after, except when conceptually imagining, based

> > > on

> > > the fictitious center.

> > >

> > > and since imagining befores and afters and straight lines leads to

> > > having

> > > jobs, building cities and highways, winning wars, and so on ... it

> > > gained

> > > a

> > > lot of popularity over the centuries.

> > >

> > > without ever having a vote, the imagined center and its line of befores

> > > and

> > > afters was put into office.

> > >

> > > and it's been reigning as the dictator for a long time.

> > >

> > > only, there isn't any (time that is).

> > >

> > > so, the deposing of the dictator who never got elected is an

> > > ever-immanent

> > > event.

> > >

> > > this nothing is the nothing before you were born, while you are

> > > breathing,

> > > and after this body's last breath.

> > >

> > > the breathing of this body is involuntary.

> > >

> > > so is everything else.

> > >

> > > - D -

> > >

> > > Yes I see it the same way, although I am not sure whether it adresses

> > > the

> > > issue raised: that we dont know. But...is there anything we could say

> > > about

> > > the matter of this non-linear matrix of events that we learned to call

> > > life,

> > > or lives? Perhaps if one considers very carefully, with profundity, the

> > > meaning of " love " and " absolute aloness " and " no authorithy " or some

> > > other

> > > names in place....maybe then one could speculate upon the " direction " of

> > > the

> > > nature of this unknown matrix...

> > > -geo-

> >

> > but then such speculation itself would arise..

> >

> > as an array " considered " as:

> >

> > a rectangular array of quantities or expressions..

> >

> > set out in and within rows and columns..

> >

> > treated as a single element and manipulated according to Laws.

> > -bbb-

> >

> > Of course. Very litlle chance that such thing would not happen.

> > -geo-

>

> there are no such things as things so:

>

> it can never happen.

> -bbb-

>

> Nonesense. Your just playing with the word " things "

> -geo-

>

>

> nothings happens.

>

> that's all that happens.

>

> not even that.

>

> it's the:

>

> > unknowingly as unknown.

> >

> > .b b.b.

>

> Your just playing with the word " things "

> -geo-

 

 

am i?

 

but...

 

" i " am doing nothing.

 

not playing nor praying nor paying.

 

" you " are trying to make " something " out of " nothing " .

 

can't " be done " .

 

..b b.b.

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> dan330033

> Nisargadatta

> Sunday, August 02, 2009 2:14 PM

> Re: And then what.......?

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > -

> > dan330033

> > Nisargadatta

> > Saturday, August 01, 2009 9:35 PM

> > Re: And then what.......?

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Geovani " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > > " When there is the conviction that there is a separate inner entity,

> > > then

> > > there will be the same conviction in some next life " ...or something like

> > > that - is often said. But is that not just pure speculation, pure

> > > theory?

> > > When the light of this consciousness is gone, who knows what will happen

> > > next? Who can say that whatever conviction or lack of it in this life

> > > will

> > > hold in some next event? We know nothing about it. There may be the

> > > perception of non-dual awareness here and now....bu the body will die,

> > > memory lost, consciousness gone,

> > > and........and.......and.......then.....then.....WHAT? IMHO nobady

> > > knows.

> > > There may be a " next " life as a frog, or a human even more egotistic

> > > then

> > > the one here now, or perhaps something totaly /completely

> > > different....Or

> > > perhaps I am mistaken?

> > > -geo-

> >

> > hi geo -

> >

> > lives are not arranged linearly, not even for one life, let alone for

> > many.

> >

> > only the imagined center can pretend that it has a position in a brain

> > from

> > which to calculate a line of lives going forward and back.

> >

> > there is no before or after, except when conceptually imagining, based on

> > the fictitious center.

> >

> > and since imagining befores and afters and straight lines leads to having

> > jobs, building cities and highways, winning wars, and so on ... it gained

> > a

> > lot of popularity over the centuries.

> >

> > without ever having a vote, the imagined center and its line of befores

> > and

> > afters was put into office.

> >

> > and it's been reigning as the dictator for a long time.

> >

> > only, there isn't any (time that is).

> >

> > so, the deposing of the dictator who never got elected is an ever-immanent

> > event.

> >

> > this nothing is the nothing before you were born, while you are breathing,

> > and after this body's last breath.

> >

> > the breathing of this body is involuntary.

> >

> > so is everything else.

> >

> > - D -

> >

> > Yes I see it the same way, although I am not sure whether it adresses the

> > issue raised: that we dont know. But...is there anything we could say

> > about

> > the matter of this non-linear matrix of events that we learned to call

> > life,

> > or lives? Perhaps if one considers very carefully, with profundity, the

> > meaning of " love " and " absolute aloness " and " no authorithy " or some other

> > names in place....maybe then one could speculate upon the " direction " of

> > the

> > nature of this unknown matrix...

> > -geo-

>

> the nonlinear matrix is quite amazing fun.

>

> things, experiences, lives popping in and out.

>

> perceivers with perceived.

>

> endless mirrors.

>

> endless dramas.

>

> endless forms.

>

> never knowing.

>

> - d -

>

> Or...perhaps... the very same thing happening again and again...nothing ever

> happened otherwise..never. Why not...who can tell?

> -geo-

 

 

there are no things.

 

nothing happens.

 

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

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> toombaru2006

> Nisargadatta

> Sunday, August 02, 2009 3:01 PM

> Re: And then what.......?

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > dan330033

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Saturday, August 01, 2009 9:35 PM

> > > Re: And then what.......?

> > >

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Geovani " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > " When there is the conviction that there is a separate inner entity,

> > > > then

> > > > there will be the same conviction in some next life " ...or something

> > > > like

> > > > that - is often said. But is that not just pure speculation, pure

> > > > theory?

> > > > When the light of this consciousness is gone, who knows what will

> > > > happen

> > > > next? Who can say that whatever conviction or lack of it in this life

> > > > will

> > > > hold in some next event? We know nothing about it. There may be the

> > > > perception of non-dual awareness here and now....bu the body will die,

> > > > memory lost, consciousness gone,

> > > > and........and.......and.......then.....then.....WHAT? IMHO nobady

> > > > knows.

> > > > There may be a " next " life as a frog, or a human even more egotistic

> > > > then

> > > > the one here now, or perhaps something totaly /completely

> > > > different....Or

> > > > perhaps I am mistaken?

> > > > -geo-

> > >

> > > hi geo -

> > >

> > > lives are not arranged linearly, not even for one life, let alone for

> > > many.

> > >

> > > only the imagined center can pretend that it has a position in a brain

> > > from

> > > which to calculate a line of lives going forward and back.

> > >

> > > there is no before or after, except when conceptually imagining, based

> > > on

> > > the fictitious center.

> > >

> > > and since imagining befores and afters and straight lines leads to

> > > having

> > > jobs, building cities and highways, winning wars, and so on ... it

> > > gained a

> > > lot of popularity over the centuries.

> > >

> > > without ever having a vote, the imagined center and its line of befores

> > > and

> > > afters was put into office.

> > >

> > > and it's been reigning as the dictator for a long time.

> > >

> > > only, there isn't any (time that is).

> > >

> > > so, the deposing of the dictator who never got elected is an

> > > ever-immanent

> > > event.

> > >

> > > this nothing is the nothing before you were born, while you are

> > > breathing,

> > > and after this body's last breath.

> > >

> > > the breathing of this body is involuntary.

> > >

> > > so is everything else.

> > >

> > > - D -

> > >

> > > Yes I see it the same way, although I am not sure whether it adresses

> > > the

> > > issue raised: that we dont know. But...is there anything we could say

> > > about

> > > the matter of this non-linear matrix of events that we learned to call

> > > life,

> > > or lives? Perhaps if one considers very carefully, with profundity, the

> > > meaning of " love " and " absolute aloness " and " no authorithy " or some

> > > other

> > > names in place....maybe then one could speculate upon the " direction " of

> > > the

> > > nature of this unknown matrix...

> > > -geo-

> >

> > the nonlinear matrix is quite amazing fun.

> >

> > things, experiences, lives popping in and out.

> >

> > perceivers with perceived.

> >

> > endless mirrors.

> >

> > endless dramas.

> >

> > endless forms.

> >

> > never knowing.

> >

> > - d -

> >

>

> For us poor enlightened lot.......

> it's all

> like a kaleidoscopic

> wack-a-mole.

>

> LOL

>

> toombaru

>

> Could be. Could be totaly otherwise...

> -geo-

 

 

what's that?

 

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

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>

> -

> " geo " <inandor

> <Nisargadatta >

> Sunday, August 02, 2009 4:40 PM

> Re: Re: And then what.......?

>

>

> >

> > -

> > roberibus111

> > Nisargadatta

> > Sunday, August 02, 2009 2:05 PM

> > Re: And then what.......?

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >>

> >>

> >> -

> >> roberibus111

> >> Nisargadatta

> >> Sunday, August 02, 2009 12:22 PM

> >> Re: And then what.......?

> >>

> >>

> >> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > -

> >> > dan330033

> >> > Nisargadatta

> >> > Saturday, August 01, 2009 9:35 PM

> >> > Re: And then what.......?

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > Nisargadatta , " Geovani " <inandor@> wrote:

> >> > >

> >> > > " When there is the conviction that there is a separate inner entity,

> >> > > then

> >> > > there will be the same conviction in some next life " ...or something

> >> > > like

> >> > > that - is often said. But is that not just pure speculation, pure

> >> > > theory?

> >> > > When the light of this consciousness is gone, who knows what will

> >> > > happen

> >> > > next? Who can say that whatever conviction or lack of it in this life

> >> > > will

> >> > > hold in some next event? We know nothing about it. There may be the

> >> > > perception of non-dual awareness here and now....bu the body will

> >> > > die,

> >> > > memory lost, consciousness gone,

> >> > > and........and.......and.......then.....then.....WHAT? IMHO nobady

> >> > > knows.

> >> > > There may be a " next " life as a frog, or a human even more egotistic

> >> > > then

> >> > > the one here now, or perhaps something totaly /completely

> >> > > different....Or

> >> > > perhaps I am mistaken?

> >> > > -geo-

> >> >

> >> > hi geo -

> >> >

> >> > lives are not arranged linearly, not even for one life, let alone for

> >> > many.

> >> >

> >> > only the imagined center can pretend that it has a position in a brain

> >> > from

> >> > which to calculate a line of lives going forward and back.

> >> >

> >> > there is no before or after, except when conceptually imagining, based

> >> > on

> >> > the fictitious center.

> >> >

> >> > and since imagining befores and afters and straight lines leads to

> >> > having

> >> > jobs, building cities and highways, winning wars, and so on ... it

> >> > gained

> >> > a

> >> > lot of popularity over the centuries.

> >> >

> >> > without ever having a vote, the imagined center and its line of befores

> >> > and

> >> > afters was put into office.

> >> >

> >> > and it's been reigning as the dictator for a long time.

> >> >

> >> > only, there isn't any (time that is).

> >> >

> >> > so, the deposing of the dictator who never got elected is an

> >> > ever-immanent

> >> > event.

> >> >

> >> > this nothing is the nothing before you were born, while you are

> >> > breathing,

> >> > and after this body's last breath.

> >> >

> >> > the breathing of this body is involuntary.

> >> >

> >> > so is everything else.

> >> >

> >> > - D -

> >> >

> >> > Yes I see it the same way, although I am not sure whether it adresses

> >> > the

> >> > issue raised: that we dont know. But...is there anything we could say

> >> > about

> >> > the matter of this non-linear matrix of events that we learned to call

> >> > life,

> >> > or lives? Perhaps if one considers very carefully, with profundity, the

> >> > meaning of " love " and " absolute aloness " and " no authorithy " or some

> >> > other

> >> > names in place....maybe then one could speculate upon the " direction "

> >> > of

> >> > the

> >> > nature of this unknown matrix...

> >> > -geo-

> >>

> >> but then such speculation itself would arise..

> >>

> >> as an array " considered " as:

> >>

> >> a rectangular array of quantities or expressions..

> >>

> >> set out in and within rows and columns..

> >>

> >> treated as a single element and manipulated according to Laws.

> >> -bbb-

> >>

> >> Of course. Very litlle chance that such thing would not happen.

> >> -geo-

> >

> > there are no such things as things so:

> >

> > it can never happen.................

> > -bbb-

> >

> Your just playing with the word " things " .

> Or, if you prefer, what is the meaning of things in your statement " there

> are no such things as things " ?

> -geo-

 

 

 

there is no such state as meaningful.

 

to whom or what would it be in reference to?

 

you ensnare yourself.

 

there is no self.

 

ergo:

 

you aren't doing anything.

 

it's far more simple than you would wish.

 

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > -

> > dan330033

> > Nisargadatta

> > Sunday, August 02, 2009 2:14 PM

> > Re: And then what.......?

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > dan330033

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Saturday, August 01, 2009 9:35 PM

> > > Re: And then what.......?

> > >

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Geovani " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > " When there is the conviction that there is a separate inner entity,

> > > > then

> > > > there will be the same conviction in some next life " ...or something like

> > > > that - is often said. But is that not just pure speculation, pure

> > > > theory?

> > > > When the light of this consciousness is gone, who knows what will happen

> > > > next? Who can say that whatever conviction or lack of it in this life

> > > > will

> > > > hold in some next event? We know nothing about it. There may be the

> > > > perception of non-dual awareness here and now....bu the body will die,

> > > > memory lost, consciousness gone,

> > > > and........and.......and.......then.....then.....WHAT? IMHO nobady

> > > > knows.

> > > > There may be a " next " life as a frog, or a human even more egotistic

> > > > then

> > > > the one here now, or perhaps something totaly /completely

> > > > different....Or

> > > > perhaps I am mistaken?

> > > > -geo-

> > >

> > > hi geo -

> > >

> > > lives are not arranged linearly, not even for one life, let alone for

> > > many.

> > >

> > > only the imagined center can pretend that it has a position in a brain

> > > from

> > > which to calculate a line of lives going forward and back.

> > >

> > > there is no before or after, except when conceptually imagining, based on

> > > the fictitious center.

> > >

> > > and since imagining befores and afters and straight lines leads to having

> > > jobs, building cities and highways, winning wars, and so on ... it gained

> > > a

> > > lot of popularity over the centuries.

> > >

> > > without ever having a vote, the imagined center and its line of befores

> > > and

> > > afters was put into office.

> > >

> > > and it's been reigning as the dictator for a long time.

> > >

> > > only, there isn't any (time that is).

> > >

> > > so, the deposing of the dictator who never got elected is an ever-immanent

> > > event.

> > >

> > > this nothing is the nothing before you were born, while you are breathing,

> > > and after this body's last breath.

> > >

> > > the breathing of this body is involuntary.

> > >

> > > so is everything else.

> > >

> > > - D -

> > >

> > > Yes I see it the same way, although I am not sure whether it adresses the

> > > issue raised: that we dont know. But...is there anything we could say

> > > about

> > > the matter of this non-linear matrix of events that we learned to call

> > > life,

> > > or lives? Perhaps if one considers very carefully, with profundity, the

> > > meaning of " love " and " absolute aloness " and " no authorithy " or some other

> > > names in place....maybe then one could speculate upon the " direction " of

> > > the

> > > nature of this unknown matrix...

> > > -geo-

> >

> > the nonlinear matrix is quite amazing fun.

> >

> > things, experiences, lives popping in and out.

> >

> > perceivers with perceived.

> >

> > endless mirrors.

> >

> > endless dramas.

> >

> > endless forms.

> >

> > never knowing.

> >

> > - d -

> >

> > Or...perhaps... the very same thing happening again and again...nothing ever

> > happened otherwise..never. Why not...who can tell?

> > -geo-

>

>

> The meaning of anything said is past.

>

> -- Dan --

 

 

 

you've said that before.

 

and you will again.

 

time is a gnarly nothing dude.

 

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

>

> -

> dan330033

> Nisargadatta

> Sunday, August 02, 2009 2:14 PM

> Re: And then what.......?

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > -

> > dan330033

> > Nisargadatta

> > Saturday, August 01, 2009 9:35 PM

> > Re: And then what.......?

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Geovani " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > > " When there is the conviction that there is a separate inner entity,

> > > then

> > > there will be the same conviction in some next life " ...or something

> > > like

> > > that - is often said. But is that not just pure speculation, pure

> > > theory?

> > > When the light of this consciousness is gone, who knows what will

> > > happen

> > > next? Who can say that whatever conviction or lack of it in this life

> > > will

> > > hold in some next event? We know nothing about it. There may be the

> > > perception of non-dual awareness here and now....bu the body will die,

> > > memory lost, consciousness gone,

> > > and........and.......and.......then.....then.....WHAT? IMHO nobady

> > > knows.

> > > There may be a " next " life as a frog, or a human even more egotistic

> > > then

> > > the one here now, or perhaps something totaly /completely

> > > different....Or

> > > perhaps I am mistaken?

> > > -geo-

> >

> > hi geo -

> >

> > lives are not arranged linearly, not even for one life, let alone for

> > many.

> >

> > only the imagined center can pretend that it has a position in a brain

> > from

> > which to calculate a line of lives going forward and back.

> >

> > there is no before or after, except when conceptually imagining, based

> > on

> > the fictitious center.

> >

> > and since imagining befores and afters and straight lines leads to

> > having

> > jobs, building cities and highways, winning wars, and so on ... it

> > gained

> > a

> > lot of popularity over the centuries.

> >

> > without ever having a vote, the imagined center and its line of befores

> > and

> > afters was put into office.

> >

> > and it's been reigning as the dictator for a long time.

> >

> > only, there isn't any (time that is).

> >

> > so, the deposing of the dictator who never got elected is an

> > ever-immanent

> > event.

> >

> > this nothing is the nothing before you were born, while you are

> > breathing,

> > and after this body's last breath.

> >

> > the breathing of this body is involuntary.

> >

> > so is everything else.

> >

> > - D -

> >

> > Yes I see it the same way, although I am not sure whether it adresses

> > the

> > issue raised: that we dont know. But...is there anything we could say

> > about

> > the matter of this non-linear matrix of events that we learned to call

> > life,

> > or lives? Perhaps if one considers very carefully, with profundity, the

> > meaning of " love " and " absolute aloness " and " no authorithy " or some

> > other

> > names in place....maybe then one could speculate upon the " direction " of

> > the

> > nature of this unknown matrix...

> > -geo-

>

> the nonlinear matrix is quite amazing fun.

>

> things, experiences, lives popping in and out.

>

> perceivers with perceived.

>

> endless mirrors.

>

> endless dramas.

>

> endless forms.

>

> never knowing.

>

> - d -

>

> Or...perhaps... the very same thing happening again and again...nothing

> ever

> happened otherwise..never. Why not...who can tell?

> -geo-

 

there are no things.

 

nothing happens.

 

..b b.b.

 

What things are not?

-geo-

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

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> -

> roberibus111

> Nisargadatta

> Sunday, August 02, 2009 10:42 PM

> Re: And then what.......?

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > -

> > dan330033

> > Nisargadatta

> > Sunday, August 02, 2009 2:14 PM

> > Re: And then what.......?

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > dan330033

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Saturday, August 01, 2009 9:35 PM

> > > Re: And then what.......?

> > >

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Geovani " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > " When there is the conviction that there is a separate inner entity,

> > > > then

> > > > there will be the same conviction in some next life " ...or something

> > > > like

> > > > that - is often said. But is that not just pure speculation, pure

> > > > theory?

> > > > When the light of this consciousness is gone, who knows what will

> > > > happen

> > > > next? Who can say that whatever conviction or lack of it in this life

> > > > will

> > > > hold in some next event? We know nothing about it. There may be the

> > > > perception of non-dual awareness here and now....bu the body will die,

> > > > memory lost, consciousness gone,

> > > > and........and.......and.......then.....then.....WHAT? IMHO nobady

> > > > knows.

> > > > There may be a " next " life as a frog, or a human even more egotistic

> > > > then

> > > > the one here now, or perhaps something totaly /completely

> > > > different....Or

> > > > perhaps I am mistaken?

> > > > -geo-

> > >

> > > hi geo -

> > >

> > > lives are not arranged linearly, not even for one life, let alone for

> > > many.

> > >

> > > only the imagined center can pretend that it has a position in a brain

> > > from

> > > which to calculate a line of lives going forward and back.

> > >

> > > there is no before or after, except when conceptually imagining, based

> > > on

> > > the fictitious center.

> > >

> > > and since imagining befores and afters and straight lines leads to

> > > having

> > > jobs, building cities and highways, winning wars, and so on ... it

> > > gained

> > > a

> > > lot of popularity over the centuries.

> > >

> > > without ever having a vote, the imagined center and its line of befores

> > > and

> > > afters was put into office.

> > >

> > > and it's been reigning as the dictator for a long time.

> > >

> > > only, there isn't any (time that is).

> > >

> > > so, the deposing of the dictator who never got elected is an

> > > ever-immanent

> > > event.

> > >

> > > this nothing is the nothing before you were born, while you are

> > > breathing,

> > > and after this body's last breath.

> > >

> > > the breathing of this body is involuntary.

> > >

> > > so is everything else.

> > >

> > > - D -

> > >

> > > Yes I see it the same way, although I am not sure whether it adresses

> > > the

> > > issue raised: that we dont know. But...is there anything we could say

> > > about

> > > the matter of this non-linear matrix of events that we learned to call

> > > life,

> > > or lives? Perhaps if one considers very carefully, with profundity, the

> > > meaning of " love " and " absolute aloness " and " no authorithy " or some

> > > other

> > > names in place....maybe then one could speculate upon the " direction " of

> > > the

> > > nature of this unknown matrix...

> > > -geo-

> >

> > the nonlinear matrix is quite amazing fun.

> >

> > things, experiences, lives popping in and out.

> >

> > perceivers with perceived.

> >

> > endless mirrors.

> >

> > endless dramas.

> >

> > endless forms.

> >

> > never knowing.

> >

> > - d -

> >

> > Or...perhaps... the very same thing happening again and again...nothing

> > ever

> > happened otherwise..never. Why not...who can tell?

> > -geo-

>

> there are no things.

>

> nothing happens.

>

> .b b.b.

>

> What things are not?

> -geo-

 

 

are not what?

 

things are not what.

 

what are you trying to say?

 

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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> > there are no things.

> >

> > nothing happens.

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

> > What things are not?

> > -geo-

>

>

> are not what?

>

> things are not what.

>

> what are you trying to say?

>

> .b b.b.

>

 

 

Let me take a stab at it (so to speak) .b b.b.

you guys have been around the nonduality block

so many times your minds are going around in

circles and whatever you say just doesn't make

sense any more.

 

Take a deep breath.

 

Now, doesn't that feel better?

 

;-)

 

Sister Anna

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Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > > there are no things.

> > >

> > > nothing happens.

> > >

> > > .b b.b.

> > >

> > > What things are not?

> > > -geo-

> >

> >

> > are not what?

> >

> > things are not what.

> >

> > what are you trying to say?

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

>

>

> Let me take a stab at it (so to speak) .b b.b.

> you guys have been around the nonduality block

> so many times your minds are going around in

> circles and whatever you say just doesn't make

> sense any more.

>

> Take a deep breath.

>

> Now, doesn't that feel better?

>

> ;-)

>

> Sister Anna

 

 

make sense to or by whom?

 

that's nonsense.

 

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