Guest guest Report post Posted July 2, 2008 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > is there such a thing as a point or a meaning? > > > > > or is this only something that the mind has made up? > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > what do you mean? > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > what do I mean?...whats my point?... > > > > > > ...there are so many points running around in all corners of the > mind. > > > ...and people seem to think that one or some points are superior > to > > > others. > > > look at this forum...ful of garbage in different clothes... > > > the fool is always trying to make pretty...what is in nature > > > ugly...using all kinds of tricks...but he never understands > > > this...because he is so wrapped up in conceptual living... > > > I dont have a point...and I dont mean nada...I guess this is what > I try > > > to comunicate to the one that is not a ghoast...in other words to > > > noone...its like using the toiletpaper after visiting the > toilet...its > > > not much to talk about...but its the only thing to talk about... > > > there is nothing superior in the toiletbusiness...but everybody > is > > > mixed up with it and keep mantra-ing " I am a toilet- > creature...and > > > thats all I am " ... " there are good times and bad...but thats > life...the > > > toilet-living-life " > > > > > > I have been posting toilet-paper to this forum for some time > now... > > > and there is more or less always a tendency to grab these t-p:s... > > > all I have to say is that all t-p:s is meaningless... > > > but I understand that this understanding is not even shared at > this > > > forum...the so called (non-dual forum)...mere words for the > deaf... > > > ...Ill guess this parroting-game will continue even here for as > long as > > > it takes...but someday all this will be seen through...and > treated as > > > garbage...not as jewels... > > > there is only one jewel...and that one will never be found as > long as > > > one believes in garbage-jewels...because that is the only > ignorance > > > there is...and it will continue as long as one keeps the eye of > wisdom > > > closed... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > hmmm..uh huh. > > > > you bet. > > > > but what's your point? > > > > what do you mean? > > > > .b b.b. > > > > as long as one is holding on to the idea that there is a point...to > be found or to be hold...ignorance is fuled... > ...iietsa i see your 'point'. lol. that's a whole lotta fuel. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 2, 2008 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > is there such a thing as a point or a meaning? > > > > > > or is this only something that the mind has made up? > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what do you mean? > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > what do I mean?...whats my point?... > > > > > > > > ...there are so many points running around in all corners of > the > > > mind. > > > > ...and people seem to think that one or some points are > superior to > > > > others. > > > > look at this forum...ful of garbage in different clothes... > > > > the fool is always trying to make pretty...what is in nature > > > > ugly...using all kinds of tricks...but he never understands > > > > this...because he is so wrapped up in conceptual living... > > > > I dont have a point...and I dont mean nada...I guess this is > what I > > > try > > > > to comunicate to the one that is not a ghoast...in other words > to > > > > noone...its like using the toiletpaper after visiting the > > > toilet...its > > > > not much to talk about...but its the only thing to talk about... > > > > there is nothing superior in the toiletbusiness...but everybody > is > > > > mixed up with it and keep mantra-ing " I am a toilet- > creature...and > > > > thats all I am " ... " there are good times and bad...but thats > > > life...the > > > > toilet-living-life " > > > > > > > > I have been posting toilet-paper to this forum for some time > now... > > > > and there is more or less always a tendency to grab these t- > p:s... > > > > all I have to say is that all t-p:s is meaningless... > > > > but I understand that this understanding is not even shared at > this > > > > forum...the so called (non-dual forum)...mere words for the > deaf... > > > > ...Ill guess this parroting-game will continue even here for as > > > long as > > > > it takes...but someday all this will be seen through...and > treated > > > as > > > > garbage...not as jewels... > > > > there is only one jewel...and that one will never be found as > long > > > as > > > > one believes in garbage-jewels...because that is the only > ignorance > > > > there is...and it will continue as long as one keeps the eye of > > > wisdom > > > > closed... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > when you listen to a fantastic piece of music...pic any... > > > you will notice that you give place...give room to this music... > > > and it is because of this space that you give...that the music > > > becomes fantastic...now all you have to do is giving this space > to > > > all the worlds and everything and you will realise that you are > not > > > different from this openness...the error comes in when you grab > the > > > fantastic music or any other object... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's the silence between the notes that 'counts'.. > > > > in more ways than one. > > > > neither 'you' nor 'i', nor anyone nor anything.. > > > > can 'grab' music. > > > > that's the true beauty of it. > > > > it is a sorrowful thing if you have missed this. > > > > now that's NOT an error. > > > > it's just the way it is for you, and that's OK with me. > > > > and for a beautiful pix.. > > > > well without the background and foreground.. > > > > and all that is NOT the pix considered.. > > > > there could be no picture at all. > > > > 'space' cannot be 'given' to anything. > > > > everything already has..is..and always will be and possess..'space'. > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > p.s. > > > > ALL music is fantastic. > > > > some just don't have the ears to hear.. > > > > though they be not tone deaf... > > > > they miss it completely. > > > > same same for art of any kind or consideration. > > > > you can't do anything. > > > > it is done from the beginning. > > > > wherefore and why, whither and whichever.. > > > > cannot be determined by words nor thought. > > > > better to go fishing than to cut bait that isn't there. > > > > just do it. > > > > forget the philosophizing. > > > > it leads to confusion. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > yes..all music is played in the heart of peace... > but not all men know this heart of hearts directly without division... > so the above was written as what could be called a short-cut to this > heart... > there is never any reason to give medicine to the healthy one... > only to the sick... > if you are not sick...then all medicine is like poison in a way... > no need to take or release...no way to react...only peace...and lots > of fishes in a fishbowl... > ...iietsa yes quite so. if you seek sickness you will find it. but why? ..b b.b. 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Guest guest Report post Posted July 2, 2008 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is there such a thing as a point or a meaning? > > > > > > > > or is this only something that the mind has made up? > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what do you mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what do I mean?...whats my point?... > > > > > > > > > > > > ...there are so many points running around in all corners > of > > > the > > > > > mind. > > > > > > ...and people seem to think that one or some points are > > > superior > > > > to > > > > > > others. > > > > > > look at this forum...ful of garbage in different clothes... > > > > > > the fool is always trying to make pretty...what is in > nature > > > > > > ugly...using all kinds of tricks...but he never understands > > > > > > this...because he is so wrapped up in conceptual living... > > > > > > I dont have a point...and I dont mean nada...I guess this > is > > > what > > > > I > > > > > try > > > > > > to comunicate to the one that is not a ghoast...in other > words > > > to > > > > > > noone...its like using the toiletpaper after visiting the > > > > > toilet...its > > > > > > not much to talk about...but its the only thing to talk > about... > > > > > > there is nothing superior in the toiletbusiness...but > everybody > > > > is > > > > > > mixed up with it and keep mantra-ing " I am a toilet- > > > > creature...and > > > > > > thats all I am " ... " there are good times and bad...but thats > > > > > life...the > > > > > > toilet-living-life " > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been posting toilet-paper to this forum for some > time > > > > now... > > > > > > and there is more or less always a tendency to grab these t- > > > p:s... > > > > > > all I have to say is that all t-p:s is meaningless... > > > > > > but I understand that this understanding is not even shared > at > > > > this > > > > > > forum...the so called (non-dual forum)...mere words for the > > > > deaf... > > > > > > ...Ill guess this parroting-game will continue even here > for as > > > > > long as > > > > > > it takes...but someday all this will be seen through...and > > > > treated > > > > > as > > > > > > garbage...not as jewels... > > > > > > there is only one jewel...and that one will never be found > as > > > > long > > > > > as > > > > > > one believes in garbage-jewels...because that is the only > > > > ignorance > > > > > > there is...and it will continue as long as one keeps the > eye of > > > > > wisdom > > > > > > closed... > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when you listen to a fantastic piece of music...pic any... > > > > > you will notice that you give place...give room to this > music... > > > > > and it is because of this space that you give...that the > music > > > > > becomes fantastic...now all you have to do is giving this > space > > > to > > > > > all the worlds and everything and you will realise that you > are > > > not > > > > > different from this openness...the error comes in when you > grab > > > the > > > > > fantastic music or any other object... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not quite, ietsa, > > > > > > > > YOU don't give room or space to the music. Simply because there > is > > > no > > > > YOU who can do that. > > > > > > > > It is the music itself which creates its own space or, in > different > > > > words if the music is powerful enough then all other > impressions > > > will > > > > fade into the background. > > > > > > > > I know, it is a seducing idea that it is giving into one's hand > to > > > > create space for all kinds of " higher " things like beauty, > music, > > > > love, self-realitaion, enlightenment, God, Jesus - but that is > just > > > > an idea and remains wishful day-dreaming. > > > > > > > > Nothing is give into your hands, ietsa, besides day-dreaming. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > powerful music...? > > > are you on drugs... > > > > > > I dont say that there is a me that creates the space... > > > > > > > > > > yes you did: > > > > > > " when you listen to a fantastic piece of music...pic any... you will > > notice that you give place...give room to this music... and it is > > because of this space that YOU GIVE...that the music becomes > > fantastic...now all you have to do is giving this space to all the > > worlds and everything " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now c'mon iietsa! > > > > are you saying that you did NOT write that?????????? > > > > who are you trying to fool? > > > > yourself maybe? > > > > do you ever look at what you're saying or do you just type away? > > > > Sheesh! > > > > .b b.b. > > > > p.s. > > > > are you on drugs? > > > > you COULD fool everyone if you're NOT. > > > > and whatever drugs they may be.. > > > > they're bad drugs for sure. > > > I dont give much importance to words...so yes, in a way I just type > away...what I meant when I was typing " give room " was just a way to > trick the mind... > lets see it this way... > the ignorant one is asleep...dreaming... > but he himself says he is not asleep...and not dreaming... > so because of this it is impossible to wake him up... > ...so instead I use a trick to sleep him into dream... > ...iietsa > oh. ahem.. ..b b.b. 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Guest guest Report post Posted July 3, 2008 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is there such a thing as a point or a meaning? > > > > > > > > > or is this only something that the mind has made up? > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what do you mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what do I mean?...whats my point?... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...there are so many points running around in all corners > > of > > > > the > > > > > > mind. > > > > > > > ...and people seem to think that one or some points are > > > > superior > > > > > to > > > > > > > others. > > > > > > > look at this forum...ful of garbage in different clothes... > > > > > > > the fool is always trying to make pretty...what is in > > nature > > > > > > > ugly...using all kinds of tricks...but he never understands > > > > > > > this...because he is so wrapped up in conceptual living... > > > > > > > I dont have a point...and I dont mean nada...I guess this > > is > > > > what > > > > > I > > > > > > try > > > > > > > to comunicate to the one that is not a ghoast...in other > > words > > > > to > > > > > > > noone...its like using the toiletpaper after visiting the > > > > > > toilet...its > > > > > > > not much to talk about...but its the only thing to talk > > about... > > > > > > > there is nothing superior in the toiletbusiness...but > > everybody > > > > > is > > > > > > > mixed up with it and keep mantra-ing " I am a toilet- > > > > > creature...and > > > > > > > thats all I am " ... " there are good times and bad...but thats > > > > > > life...the > > > > > > > toilet-living-life " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been posting toilet-paper to this forum for some > > time > > > > > now... > > > > > > > and there is more or less always a tendency to grab these t- > > > > p:s... > > > > > > > all I have to say is that all t-p:s is meaningless... > > > > > > > but I understand that this understanding is not even shared > > at > > > > > this > > > > > > > forum...the so called (non-dual forum)...mere words for the > > > > > deaf... > > > > > > > ...Ill guess this parroting-game will continue even here > > for as > > > > > > long as > > > > > > > it takes...but someday all this will be seen through...and > > > > > treated > > > > > > as > > > > > > > garbage...not as jewels... > > > > > > > there is only one jewel...and that one will never be found > > as > > > > > long > > > > > > as > > > > > > > one believes in garbage-jewels...because that is the only > > > > > ignorance > > > > > > > there is...and it will continue as long as one keeps the > > eye of > > > > > > wisdom > > > > > > > closed... > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when you listen to a fantastic piece of music...pic any... > > > > > > you will notice that you give place...give room to this > > music... > > > > > > and it is because of this space that you give...that the > > music > > > > > > becomes fantastic...now all you have to do is giving this > > space > > > > to > > > > > > all the worlds and everything and you will realise that you > > are > > > > not > > > > > > different from this openness...the error comes in when you > > grab > > > > the > > > > > > fantastic music or any other object... > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not quite, ietsa, > > > > > > > > > > YOU don't give room or space to the music. Simply because there > > is > > > > no > > > > > YOU who can do that. > > > > > > > > > > It is the music itself which creates its own space or, in > > different > > > > > words if the music is powerful enough then all other > > impressions > > > > will > > > > > fade into the background. > > > > > > > > > > I know, it is a seducing idea that it is giving into one's hand > > to > > > > > create space for all kinds of " higher " things like beauty, > > music, > > > > > love, self-realitaion, enlightenment, God, Jesus - but that is > > just > > > > > an idea and remains wishful day-dreaming. > > > > > > > > > > Nothing is give into your hands, ietsa, besides day- dreaming. > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > powerful music...? > > > > are you on drugs... > > > > > > > > I dont say that there is a me that creates the space... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes you did: > > > > > > > > > " when you listen to a fantastic piece of music...pic any... you will > > > notice that you give place...give room to this music... and it is > > > because of this space that YOU GIVE...that the music becomes > > > fantastic...now all you have to do is giving this space to all the > > > worlds and everything " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now c'mon iietsa! > > > > > > are you saying that you did NOT write that?????????? > > > > > > who are you trying to fool? > > > > > > yourself maybe? > > > > > > do you ever look at what you're saying or do you just type away? > > > > > > Sheesh! > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > p.s. > > > > > > are you on drugs? > > > > > > you COULD fool everyone if you're NOT. > > > > > > and whatever drugs they may be.. > > > > > > they're bad drugs for sure. > > > > > I dont give much importance to words...so yes, in a way I just type > > away...what I meant when I was typing " give room " was just a way to > > trick the mind... > > lets see it this way... > > the ignorant one is asleep...dreaming... > > but he himself says he is not asleep...and not dreaming... > > so because of this it is impossible to wake him up... > > ...so instead I use a trick to sleep him into dream... > > ...iietsa > > > > > oh. > > ahem.. > > .b b.b. the dreaming ones are explaining well.....how ignorance look like?...... 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Guest guest Report post Posted July 3, 2008 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Era " <mi_nok@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-= > > > > > > > > > > I agree.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Era > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that the words used here by (me) is somehow > > > > > > better... > > > > > > they are all the same...garbage...but to some, words appear > > > > > > better > > > > > > or worse so they are caught up in the webs...I am not... > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > ahh you mean that you are better than other posters because your' > > > not caught... ? > > > > > > what a choice ! good agreement.. > > > > > > > > > Era > > > > > > > I say one thing and the ignorant hears another... > > when I say that I am not caught up in words... > > it does not mean that I am better...or any other word... > > just listen without judging...and you will see pure... > > ...iietsa > > > > > pure what? > > an idea of 'pure' what has formed.. > > but it could sound offensive if asked if it was what you referred to. > > moo. > > .b b.b. > first of all one must ubderstand that the word sun, is not the sun... it is only a pointer so to speak... so when we comunicate there must be a chance to look beyond the words...or all will end up dead... ....it is never the word that is important...never... so we dont have to get caugh up there...do we ? ....iietsa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 3, 2008 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > is there such a thing as a point or a meaning? > > > > > > or is this only something that the mind has made up? > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what do you mean? > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > what do I mean?...whats my point?... > > > > > > > > ...there are so many points running around in all corners of the > > mind. > > > > ...and people seem to think that one or some points are superior > > to > > > > others. > > > > look at this forum...ful of garbage in different clothes... > > > > the fool is always trying to make pretty...what is in nature > > > > ugly...using all kinds of tricks...but he never understands > > > > this...because he is so wrapped up in conceptual living... > > > > I dont have a point...and I dont mean nada...I guess this is what > > I try > > > > to comunicate to the one that is not a ghoast...in other words to > > > > noone...its like using the toiletpaper after visiting the > > toilet...its > > > > not much to talk about...but its the only thing to talk about... > > > > there is nothing superior in the toiletbusiness...but everybody > > is > > > > mixed up with it and keep mantra-ing " I am a toilet- > > creature...and > > > > thats all I am " ... " there are good times and bad...but thats > > life...the > > > > toilet-living-life " > > > > > > > > I have been posting toilet-paper to this forum for some time > > now... > > > > and there is more or less always a tendency to grab these t- p:s... > > > > all I have to say is that all t-p:s is meaningless... > > > > but I understand that this understanding is not even shared at > > this > > > > forum...the so called (non-dual forum)...mere words for the > > deaf... > > > > ...Ill guess this parroting-game will continue even here for as > > long as > > > > it takes...but someday all this will be seen through...and > > treated as > > > > garbage...not as jewels... > > > > there is only one jewel...and that one will never be found as > > long as > > > > one believes in garbage-jewels...because that is the only > > ignorance > > > > there is...and it will continue as long as one keeps the eye of > > wisdom > > > > closed... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > hmmm..uh huh. > > > > > > you bet. > > > > > > but what's your point? > > > > > > what do you mean? > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > as long as one is holding on to the idea that there is a point...to > > be found or to be hold...ignorance is fuled... > > ...iietsa > > > > > > i see your 'point'. > > lol. > > that's a whole lotta fuel. > > .b b.b. > yes...and if the looking is sustained...even this point will vanish... ....iietsa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 3, 2008 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is there such a thing as a point or a meaning? > > > > > > > or is this only something that the mind has made up? > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what do you mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what do I mean?...whats my point?... > > > > > > > > > > ...there are so many points running around in all corners of > > the > > > > mind. > > > > > ...and people seem to think that one or some points are > > superior to > > > > > others. > > > > > look at this forum...ful of garbage in different clothes... > > > > > the fool is always trying to make pretty...what is in nature > > > > > ugly...using all kinds of tricks...but he never understands > > > > > this...because he is so wrapped up in conceptual living... > > > > > I dont have a point...and I dont mean nada...I guess this is > > what I > > > > try > > > > > to comunicate to the one that is not a ghoast...in other words > > to > > > > > noone...its like using the toiletpaper after visiting the > > > > toilet...its > > > > > not much to talk about...but its the only thing to talk about... > > > > > there is nothing superior in the toiletbusiness...but everybody > > is > > > > > mixed up with it and keep mantra-ing " I am a toilet- > > creature...and > > > > > thats all I am " ... " there are good times and bad...but thats > > > > life...the > > > > > toilet-living-life " > > > > > > > > > > I have been posting toilet-paper to this forum for some time > > now... > > > > > and there is more or less always a tendency to grab these t- > > p:s... > > > > > all I have to say is that all t-p:s is meaningless... > > > > > but I understand that this understanding is not even shared at > > this > > > > > forum...the so called (non-dual forum)...mere words for the > > deaf... > > > > > ...Ill guess this parroting-game will continue even here for as > > > > long as > > > > > it takes...but someday all this will be seen through...and > > treated > > > > as > > > > > garbage...not as jewels... > > > > > there is only one jewel...and that one will never be found as > > long > > > > as > > > > > one believes in garbage-jewels...because that is the only > > ignorance > > > > > there is...and it will continue as long as one keeps the eye of > > > > wisdom > > > > > closed... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when you listen to a fantastic piece of music...pic any... > > > > you will notice that you give place...give room to this music... > > > > and it is because of this space that you give...that the music > > > > becomes fantastic...now all you have to do is giving this space > > to > > > > all the worlds and everything and you will realise that you are > > not > > > > different from this openness...the error comes in when you grab > > the > > > > fantastic music or any other object... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's the silence between the notes that 'counts'.. > > > > > > in more ways than one. > > > > > > neither 'you' nor 'i', nor anyone nor anything.. > > > > > > can 'grab' music. > > > > > > that's the true beauty of it. > > > > > > it is a sorrowful thing if you have missed this. > > > > > > now that's NOT an error. > > > > > > it's just the way it is for you, and that's OK with me. > > > > > > and for a beautiful pix.. > > > > > > well without the background and foreground.. > > > > > > and all that is NOT the pix considered.. > > > > > > there could be no picture at all. > > > > > > 'space' cannot be 'given' to anything. > > > > > > everything already has..is..and always will be and possess..'space'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > p.s. > > > > > > ALL music is fantastic. > > > > > > some just don't have the ears to hear.. > > > > > > though they be not tone deaf... > > > > > > they miss it completely. > > > > > > same same for art of any kind or consideration. > > > > > > you can't do anything. > > > > > > it is done from the beginning. > > > > > > wherefore and why, whither and whichever.. > > > > > > cannot be determined by words nor thought. > > > > > > better to go fishing than to cut bait that isn't there. > > > > > > just do it. > > > > > > forget the philosophizing. > > > > > > it leads to confusion. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > yes..all music is played in the heart of peace... > > but not all men know this heart of hearts directly without division... > > so the above was written as what could be called a short-cut to this > > heart... > > there is never any reason to give medicine to the healthy one... > > only to the sick... > > if you are not sick...then all medicine is like poison in a way... > > no need to take or release...no way to react...only peace...and lots > > of fishes in a fishbowl... > > ...iietsa > > > > yes quite so. > > if you seek sickness you will find it. > > but why? > > .b b.b. > the only reason I can see to why one is seeking sickness...is because one dont see the sickness as sickness...when one recognizes sickness as sickness...the seeking stops...everything stops... ....iietsa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 3, 2008 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Era " <mi_nok@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-= > > > > > > > > > > > I agree.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Era > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that the words used here by (me) is somehow > > > > > > > better... > > > > > > > they are all the same...garbage...but to some, words > appear > > > > > > > better > > > > > > > or worse so they are caught up in the webs...I am not... > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ahh you mean that you are better than other posters because > your' > > > > not caught... ? > > > > > > > > what a choice ! good agreement.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Era > > > > > > > > > > I say one thing and the ignorant hears another... > > > when I say that I am not caught up in words... > > > it does not mean that I am better...or any other word... > > > just listen without judging...and you will see pure... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > pure what? > > > > an idea of 'pure' what has formed.. > > > > but it could sound offensive if asked if it was what you referred > to. > > > > moo. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > first of all one must ubderstand that the word sun, is not the sun... > it is only a pointer so to speak... > so when we comunicate there must be a chance to look beyond the > words...or all will end up dead... > ...it is never the word that is important...never... > so we dont have to get caugh up there...do we ? > ...iietsa oh my gawrsh no! who'd want to burn up for ever and ever in the sun.. or.. ...in hell even? good job that you're here to point this out. and i like how you don't have to use mis-representative words too. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 3, 2008 > > > > > > > > what a choice ! good agreement.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Era > > > > > > > > > > I say one thing and the ignorant hears another... > > > when I say that I am not caught up in words... > > > it does not mean that I am better...or any other word... > > > just listen without judging...and you will see pure... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > pure what? > > > > an idea of 'pure' what has formed.. > > > > but it could sound offensive if asked if it was what you referred > > to. > > > > moo. > > > > .b b.b. > > You look like Jesus ! truly pure hehe.. > > > first of all one must ubderstand that the word sun, is not the > sun... > it is only a pointer so to speak... > so when we comunicate there must be a chance to look beyond the > words...or all will end up dead... > ...it is never the word that is important...never... > so we dont have to get caugh up there...do we ? > ...iietsa > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 4, 2008 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Era " <mi_nok@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-= > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Era > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that the words used here by (me) is somehow > > > > > > > > better... > > > > > > > > they are all the same...garbage...but to some, words > > appear > > > > > > > > better > > > > > > > > or worse so they are caught up in the webs...I am not... > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ahh you mean that you are better than other posters because > > your' > > > > > not caught... ? > > > > > > > > > > what a choice ! good agreement.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Era > > > > > > > > > > > > > I say one thing and the ignorant hears another... > > > > when I say that I am not caught up in words... > > > > it does not mean that I am better...or any other word... > > > > just listen without judging...and you will see pure... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pure what? > > > > > > an idea of 'pure' what has formed.. > > > > > > but it could sound offensive if asked if it was what you referred > > to. > > > > > > moo. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > first of all one must ubderstand that the word sun, is not the sun... > > it is only a pointer so to speak... > > so when we comunicate there must be a chance to look beyond the > > words...or all will end up dead... > > ...it is never the word that is important...never... > > so we dont have to get caugh up there...do we ? > > ...iietsa oh my gawrsh no! > > who'd want to burn up for ever and ever in the sun.. or.. > > ..in hell even? > > good job that you're here to point this out. > > and i like how you don't have to use mis-representative words too. > > .b b.b. > ....what good is a comunicaterror? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 4, 2008 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Era " <mi_nok@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-= > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Era > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that the words used here by (me) is > somehow > > > > > > > > > better... > > > > > > > > > they are all the same...garbage...but to some, words > > > appear > > > > > > > > > better > > > > > > > > > or worse so they are caught up in the webs...I am > not... > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ahh you mean that you are better than other posters because > > > your' > > > > > > not caught... ? > > > > > > > > > > > > what a choice ! good agreement.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Era > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I say one thing and the ignorant hears another... > > > > > when I say that I am not caught up in words... > > > > > it does not mean that I am better...or any other word... > > > > > just listen without judging...and you will see pure... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pure what? > > > > > > > > an idea of 'pure' what has formed.. > > > > > > > > but it could sound offensive if asked if it was what you > referred > > > to. > > > > > > > > moo. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > first of all one must ubderstand that the word sun, is not the > sun... > > > it is only a pointer so to speak... > > > so when we comunicate there must be a chance to look beyond the > > > words...or all will end up dead... > > > ...it is never the word that is important...never... > > > so we dont have to get caugh up there...do we ? > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oh my gawrsh no! > > > > who'd want to burn up for ever and ever in the sun.. or.. > > > > ..in hell even? > > > > good job that you're here to point this out. > > > > and i like how you don't have to use mis-representative words too. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > ...what good is a comunicaterror? don't know. tell us then. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 5, 2008 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Era " <mi_nok@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Era > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that the words used here by (me) is > > somehow > > > > > > > > > > better... > > > > > > > > > > they are all the same...garbage...but to some, words > > > > appear > > > > > > > > > > better > > > > > > > > > > or worse so they are caught up in the webs...I am > > not... > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ahh you mean that you are better than other posters because > > > > your' > > > > > > > not caught... ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what a choice ! good agreement.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Era > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I say one thing and the ignorant hears another... > > > > > > when I say that I am not caught up in words... > > > > > > it does not mean that I am better...or any other word... > > > > > > just listen without judging...and you will see pure... > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pure what? > > > > > > > > > > an idea of 'pure' what has formed.. > > > > > > > > > > but it could sound offensive if asked if it was what you > > referred > > > > to. > > > > > > > > > > moo. > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first of all one must ubderstand that the word sun, is not the > > sun... > > > > it is only a pointer so to speak... > > > > so when we comunicate there must be a chance to look beyond the > > > > words...or all will end up dead... > > > > ...it is never the word that is important...never... > > > > so we dont have to get caugh up there...do we ? > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oh my gawrsh no! > > > > > > who'd want to burn up for ever and ever in the sun.. or.. > > > > > > ..in hell even? > > > > > > good job that you're here to point this out. > > > > > > and i like how you don't have to use mis-representative words too. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > ...what good is a comunicaterror? > > > don't know. > > tell us then. > > .b b.b. > lets say you are trying to help someone in a foreign city, to find the right adress... it can be somehow difficult because of (him) not being familiar with the language you use... but there is no need for him to become verbaly agressive... and above all...it never helps...it only add to his being away from the right adress... ....iietsa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 5, 2008 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Era " <mi_nok@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Era > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that the words used here by (me) is > > > somehow > > > > > > > > > > > better... > > > > > > > > > > > they are all the same...garbage...but to some, > words > > > > > appear > > > > > > > > > > > better > > > > > > > > > > > or worse so they are caught up in the webs...I am > > > not... > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ahh you mean that you are better than other posters > because > > > > > your' > > > > > > > > not caught... ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what a choice ! good agreement.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Era > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I say one thing and the ignorant hears another... > > > > > > > when I say that I am not caught up in words... > > > > > > > it does not mean that I am better...or any other word... > > > > > > > just listen without judging...and you will see pure... > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pure what? > > > > > > > > > > > > an idea of 'pure' what has formed.. > > > > > > > > > > > > but it could sound offensive if asked if it was what you > > > referred > > > > > to. > > > > > > > > > > > > moo. > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first of all one must ubderstand that the word sun, is not > the > > > sun... > > > > > it is only a pointer so to speak... > > > > > so when we comunicate there must be a chance to look beyond > the > > > > > words...or all will end up dead... > > > > > ...it is never the word that is important...never... > > > > > so we dont have to get caugh up there...do we ? > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oh my gawrsh no! > > > > > > > > who'd want to burn up for ever and ever in the sun.. or.. > > > > > > > > ..in hell even? > > > > > > > > good job that you're here to point this out. > > > > > > > > and i like how you don't have to use mis-representative words > too. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...what good is a comunicaterror? > > > > > > don't know. > > > > tell us then. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > lets say you are trying to help someone in a foreign city, > to find the right adress... > it can be somehow difficult because of (him) not being familiar with > the language you use... > but there is no need for him to become verbaly agressive... > and above all...it never helps...it only add to his being away from > the right adress... > ...iietsa what's your point? methinks that you are failing to be a very good 'comunicaterror'. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 6, 2008 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Era " <mi_nok@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Era > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that the words used here by (me) is > > > > somehow > > > > > > > > > > > > better... > > > > > > > > > > > > they are all the same...garbage...but to some, > > words > > > > > > appear > > > > > > > > > > > > better > > > > > > > > > > > > or worse so they are caught up in the webs...I am > > > > not... > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ahh you mean that you are better than other posters > > because > > > > > > your' > > > > > > > > > not caught... ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what a choice ! good agreement.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Era > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I say one thing and the ignorant hears another... > > > > > > > > when I say that I am not caught up in words... > > > > > > > > it does not mean that I am better...or any other word... > > > > > > > > just listen without judging...and you will see pure... > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pure what? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an idea of 'pure' what has formed.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but it could sound offensive if asked if it was what you > > > > referred > > > > > > to. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moo. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first of all one must ubderstand that the word sun, is not > > the > > > > sun... > > > > > > it is only a pointer so to speak... > > > > > > so when we comunicate there must be a chance to look beyond > > the > > > > > > words...or all will end up dead... > > > > > > ...it is never the word that is important...never... > > > > > > so we dont have to get caugh up there...do we ? > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oh my gawrsh no! > > > > > > > > > > who'd want to burn up for ever and ever in the sun.. or.. > > > > > > > > > > ..in hell even? > > > > > > > > > > good job that you're here to point this out. > > > > > > > > > > and i like how you don't have to use mis-representative words > > too. > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...what good is a comunicaterror? > > > > > > > > > don't know. > > > > > > tell us then. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > lets say you are trying to help someone in a foreign city, > > to find the right adress... > > it can be somehow difficult because of (him) not being familiar with > > the language you use... > > but there is no need for him to become verbaly agressive... > > and above all...it never helps...it only add to his being away from > > the right adress... > > ...iietsa > > > what's your point? > > methinks that you are failing to be a very good 'comunicaterror'. > > .b b.b. > I neither fail nor succeed... words are coming forth...like clouds in the sky... its like poetry...its like war...its like anything or nothing... it all depends on you...never the words... ....iietsa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 6, 2008 > > what's your point? > > > > methinks that you are failing to be a very good 'comunicaterror'. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > I neither fail nor succeed... > words are coming forth...like clouds in the sky... > its like poetry...its like war...its like anything or nothing... > it all depends on you...never the words... > ...iietsa get a grip. then lose it. but first you have to have a grip in order to drop it. iietsa has not awoken to this instrumentality's fundamental yet. in plainer language iietsa..you are really lost. the idea is to be 'gone', daddy-o... NOT to be lost. there simply are no words. best of luck to you though. though baba doubts that such things as luck are actual.. he at all times acts politely in the presence undeveloped thought. that sort of thing is too dangerous to not be polite with. remember...it's never the words. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 7, 2008 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > > > > what's your point? > > > > > > methinks that you are failing to be a very good 'comunicaterror'. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > I neither fail nor succeed... > > words are coming forth...like clouds in the sky... > > its like poetry...its like war...its like anything or nothing... > > it all depends on you...never the words... > > ...iietsa > > > > > get a grip. > > then lose it. > > but first you have to have a grip in order to drop it. > > iietsa has not awoken to this instrumentality's fundamental yet. > > in plainer language iietsa..you are really lost. > > the idea is to be 'gone', daddy-o... > > NOT to be lost. > > there simply are no words. > > best of luck to you though. > > though baba doubts that such things as luck are actual.. > > he at all times acts politely in the presence undeveloped thought. > > that sort of thing is too dangerous to not be polite with. > > remember...it's never the words. > > > .b b.b. > you keep taking me for a somebody or a something... that is going to get a grip or lose something... that I am one thing not awoken to another thing... you take me for a something that is lost... then you say that you are at all times acting politely... and that some thing is too dangerous to not be polite with... all you have done here...is caught yourself in the web... thats all... ....iietsa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 8, 2008 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > what's your point? > > > > > > > > methinks that you are failing to be a very > good 'comunicaterror'. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I neither fail nor succeed... > > > words are coming forth...like clouds in the sky... > > > its like poetry...its like war...its like anything or nothing... > > > it all depends on you...never the words... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > get a grip. > > > > then lose it. > > > > but first you have to have a grip in order to drop it. > > > > iietsa has not awoken to this instrumentality's fundamental yet. > > > > in plainer language iietsa..you are really lost. > > > > the idea is to be 'gone', daddy-o... > > > > NOT to be lost. > > > > there simply are no words. > > > > best of luck to you though. > > > > though baba doubts that such things as luck are actual.. > > > > he at all times acts politely in the presence undeveloped thought. > > > > that sort of thing is too dangerous to not be polite with. > > > > remember...it's never the words. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > you keep taking me for a somebody or a something... > that is going to get a grip or lose something... > that I am one thing not awoken to another thing... > you take me for a something that is lost... > > then you say that you are at all times acting politely... > and that some thing is too dangerous to not be polite with... > all you have done here...is caught yourself in the web... > thats all... > ...iietsa sure...sure.. live in your fantasy land son. god bless and all that rot. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
