Guest guest Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 There is no Baba. There is no Stefan.What is happening?The wind is blowing. The rain is falling. from the zafu of Z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge wrote: > > Hello Bob, hi stevie. > I guess I have to let you know > that I am not interested to " grasp Babas doings " . yes this is very obvious. you are only intereseted in your misunderstandings and faulty logic. > I am reading and answering your postings > and this is all I can do for you, > I hope you will understand this. baba understands all. i've mentioned this several times... i can see that you don't understand this. i can also see that you like to project your situation on others.. particularly on .b bobji. this is a pattern often found in mental cripples like yourself. it's laughable and i do enjoy watching the same predictable behavior on your part every time you reply. thanks for the chuckles chum. > I can say without doubt that it is evident > that your postings are mainly dealing > with the defense of your personal beliefs, no stefarooni.. baba mainly deals with the obvious. he's not defensive at all. truth needs no defense guy. and in particular.... there need be no defending against the impotence you display. baba believes nothing. four times said now. darn it all child.. by now you should be at least getting some glimmers of the situation rather than believing your own cloying and annoying misrepresentations of what's happening. is this weird habit of not getting it the reason your videos on website are so dated and boring? new age? c'mon stefan...that stuff is old and just a rehash of many many many others who have danced the light fantastic with about as much talent and diversity as moles. your postings are as deluded and old hat as well. you need some fresh ideas.. or maybe you just desire liebenstraum for yourself and your kind? which of course requires the enslavement of people you believe to subhuman races and the theft of their lands. silly boy... no one here or anywhere buys your delusional thoughts and erroneous opinions. i'm being kind to call them opinions. well it will never happen. ha ha ha > positions and opinions, where (as you clearly say) > " winning " is your main concern. WHERE did baba say that? show me. quote that passage. see stefie..you're lost in your own eidolon. you won't convince anyone of your misrepresentations. it's really foolhardy of you to try. you seem to adhere to the idea one of your idols who said: " if you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. " well child..the lame dr. was wrong and so are you. relax and accept your mistakes of macabre sanctimonious moth-eaten prosaic behavior and stop trying to ply your twisted misrepresentations or is that just unwissenheit? likely so eh? ha ha ha haa! > I would like to let you know > that there is no reason at all to do so, > because I find you perfectly o.k. as you are > and I am not attacking you for anything > (And I never did) oh how holier than thou you like to come off! such schmaltzy slop is so insincere. it's sappy steve-a rino. which is ok of course. we all have your number. you're a phony. LOL! > Don Quichotte fighting against wind mills don who? is that from one of your scandal sheets or story books? i never heard of don quichotte. damn that's funny! > Bob trying to argue with a fly on his window... this is delusional kid. there's no argument. i'm right...you're in error. facts are facts without dispute or argument mr. gnat fly. simple no? ...well in your case perhaps not. baba's here for you.. and you are very welcome to continue seeking clarifications from baba in order to clear things up for you. it seems to be a hopeless task, but baba will not give up on you and will continue to answer your unconscious cries for help. just don't get irritated over his snickering at you. no one can be expected to keep a straight face..in face of your jive. > those are only metaphors to demonstrate > How I feel about your emotional outflows. sure..sure.. you seem to be emotionally caught up in your 'feelings' above. my replies are hardly emotional outflows. i tend to stick to the discipline that is needed by you.. without emotion or care.. except.. for the emotional enjoyment of watching you make an ass of yourself. now even you must see that this is humorous... your 'demonstrations' are demonstrably foolish.. one just needs to read them to see that. LOL! > I am aware that I am repeating myself > but on the other hand your postings as well > contain the same statements over and over. because i have to address the same absurdities that you try and pass off time and time again. and i need to keep it simple as possible and repeat things several times...yet even this leaves you lost. it's just that loser thing that keep creeping up over and over again. and baba is not interested in winning at all. as said many times for your benefit... i'm here for you to get help understanding.. and to be the shoulder you need to cry on. baba understands and forgives you your defective thinking. you can't help it. that's the cards you were dealt. > Still, I do not have any problem > to contribute my daily 5 minutes. > Try to read my answers to your postings > not as attacks > not as an attempt to win a battle > and you will come closer to an understanding > of my friendly intentions. again with that phony bullshit? pretentious scams are so obvious. you just can't see that people see through your pomposity. they do stefan. how misplaced is your conceit. you only fool yourself with that silly smarmy bullshit. but it is funny..that i'll give you. > So if you wish, please continue. > > All the best > Stefan oh i will continue stevie.. not because i want to.. because you need my help. as said..again many times before...baba will help any and all. this is his gift to you. by no means is it connected with desire or want.. baba..unlike you...has none of that. with the same sincerity... blessings, ..b b.b. *****************************NNB************************************** > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@> wrote: > > > > > > Good morning Baba! > > > > > > good morning stevie! > > > > > > > > > Thank you for another long email! > > > > > > > > no need for thanks. > > > > baba helps all for free..even dimwits. > > > > > > > > > I see, you are still trying to prove to the fly > > > How superior Babas state is. > > > > > > > > and i see how you still haven't been able to grasp the baba's doings. > > > > no proofs of the obvious are required. > > > > not for baba. > > > > he sees what's what and you do not. > > > > that's the sum total of the situation son. > > > > er..excuse me mr. fly. > > > > aren't you more of a gnat though? > > > > flies would likely feel insulted if they could understand your words. > > > > but of course they can't understand what you're saying.. > > > > anymore than you can understand the words of the baba. > > > > such is life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are a true rebel! > > > Highly dedicated to your inexhaustible fight > > > Against the flies of this world! > > > > > > > > fight!??? > > > > if this is a 'fight' to you.. > > > > you truly have been sheltered. > > > > did they keep you in a closet in the bygone days of your youth? > > > > were your keepers as ashamed of you as you are of yourself? > > > > well this is very understandable. > > > > but again..your mama wasn't a fly son. > > > > though you have retained some of your maggot like beginnings.. > > > > those were gnats that laid you in fecal matter..not flies. > > > > this is why you are even more pest like than flies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But a fly has a simple mind, > > > It cannot understand why somebody > > > Who does not believe in " levels " > > > Goes on and on defending his " level " . > > > > > > > > you are really caught up on this 'defense' thing aren't you? > > > > and you like the idea that you are in some sort of 'fight'. > > > > well like that nation of your forbears.. > > > > you want to feel superior while all along feeling inferior. > > > > thus the lust for 'fighting'.. > > > > and the perception of others needing to 'defend' themselves from you. > > > > and just like your ancestral losers..you too will lose. > > > > ah the glories of de faderland huh? > > > > und they were vunderfull losers too. > > > > but baba bets you look quite spiffy in your make believe wehrmacht > > > > uniform whilst typing on the keyboard. > > > > do you enjoy marching in step with other glorious gnats? > > > > i'm sure our little stefie does. > > > > quite cute little child! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Go, go, young rebel! > > > But you have to sharpen your sword better > > > To be able to catch the little fly > > > That is humming around in your head. > > > > > > > > no, no, old fart! > > > > it really wouldn't take much to catch and defeat a gnat like you. > > > > that's what your leaders thought too. > > > > see where that got you and your nation..TWO times? > > > > baba knows you don't have the ability to understand.. > > > > when or why you've been conquered... > > > > even in total loss of face and nation. > > > > god that's funny! > > > > > > > > > Best wishes! > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > good losing! > > > > .b b.b. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 Good morning Bob Baba, today you are asking me to deliver quotes. My friend, this is not necessary! Your messages are in full length automatically quoted at the end of each posting. With every attribute that you attach to yourself Or that you attach to Stefan (and you are doing this in almost every sentence) you express your beliefs and judgments. In this last message you are again defending in length " yourself " and your beliefs, your personal position and intention Your great understanding etc... although I have never said anything negative about them !!! You have stated that " Baba believes nothing " Four times!!! Four times you have stated your belief not to believe. Four times you have defended this belief Against a fly with windmill wings! You say: " Truth needs no defense " ! Exactly, my friend! Then why are you so defensive? Let me tell you something about Advaita. True Advaita is not a theoretical philosophy which can be discussed in intellectual circles where somebody shows his strong mind and " high level " (!) of understanding Advaita is about how to live your life on razors edge. Because the one who has understood the false as the false Can not change a iota of that what is In fact there is nothing to be changed He is drowned in what is, and he knows Whatever can be said is not And still he may talk as it goes And it goes as he talks :-) Stefan Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@> wrote: > > > > Hello Bob, > > > hi stevie. > > > > > I guess I have to let you know > > that I am not interested to " grasp Babas doings " . > > > > yes this is very obvious. > > you are only intereseted in your misunderstandings and faulty logic. > > > > I am reading and answering your postings > > and this is all I can do for you, > > I hope you will understand this. > > > > baba understands all. > > i've mentioned this several times... > > i can see that you don't understand this. > > i can also see that you like to project your situation on others.. > > particularly on .b bobji. > > this is a pattern often found in mental cripples like yourself. > > it's laughable and i do enjoy watching the same predictable behavior > > on your part every time you reply. > > thanks for the chuckles chum. > > > > > > I can say without doubt that it is evident > > that your postings are mainly dealing > > with the defense of your personal beliefs, > > > > no stefarooni.. > > baba mainly deals with the obvious. > > he's not defensive at all. > > truth needs no defense guy. > > and in particular.... > > there need be no defending against the impotence you display. > > baba believes nothing. > > four times said now. > > darn it all child.. > > by now you should be at least getting some glimmers of the > > situation rather than believing your own cloying and annoying > > misrepresentations of what's happening. > > is this weird habit of not getting it the reason your videos on > > website are so dated and boring? > > new age? > > c'mon stefan...that stuff is old and just a rehash of many many many > > others who have danced the light fantastic with about as much talent > > and diversity as moles. > > your postings are as deluded and old hat as well. > > you need some fresh ideas.. > > or maybe you just desire liebenstraum for yourself and your kind? > > which of course requires the enslavement of people you believe > > to subhuman races and the theft of their lands. > > silly boy... > > no one here or anywhere buys your delusional thoughts and erroneous > > opinions. > > i'm being kind to call them opinions. > > well it will never happen. > > ha ha ha > > > > > positions and opinions, where (as you clearly say) > > " winning " is your main concern. > > > WHERE did baba say that? > > show me. > > quote that passage. > > see stefie..you're lost in your own eidolon. > > you won't convince anyone of your misrepresentations. > > it's really foolhardy of you to try. > > you seem to adhere to the idea one of your idols who said: > > " if you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will > > eventually come to believe it. " > > well child..the lame dr. was wrong and so are you. > > relax and accept your mistakes of macabre sanctimonious moth-eaten > > prosaic behavior and stop trying to ply your twisted > > misrepresentations or is that just unwissenheit? > > likely so eh? > > ha ha ha haa! > > > > > I would like to let you know > > that there is no reason at all to do so, > > because I find you perfectly o.k. as you are > > and I am not attacking you for anything > > (And I never did) > > > > oh how holier than thou you like to come off! > > such schmaltzy slop is so insincere. > > it's sappy steve-a rino. > > which is ok of course. > > we all have your number. > > you're a phony. > > LOL! > Don Quichotte fighting against wind mills > > > don who? > > is that from one of your scandal sheets or story books? > > i never heard of don quichotte. > > damn that's funny! > > > > > Bob trying to argue with a fly on his window... > > > this is delusional kid. > > there's no argument. > > i'm right...you're in error. > > facts are facts without dispute or argument mr. gnat fly. > > simple no? > > ..well in your case perhaps not. > > baba's here for you.. > > and you are very welcome to continue seeking clarifications from baba > in order to clear things up for you. > > it seems to be a hopeless task, but baba will not give up on you and > will continue to answer your unconscious cries for help. > > just don't get irritated over his snickering at you. > > no one can be expected to keep a straight face..in face of your jive. > > those are only metaphors to demonstrate > > How I feel about your emotional outflows. > > > sure..sure.. > > you seem to be emotionally caught up in your 'feelings' above. > > my replies are hardly emotional outflows. > > i tend to stick to the discipline that is needed by you.. > > without emotion or care.. > > except.. > > for the emotional enjoyment of watching you make an ass of yourself. > > now even you must see that this is humorous... > > your 'demonstrations' are demonstrably foolish.. > > one just needs to read them to see that. > > LOL! > > > > > > > I am aware that I am repeating myself > > but on the other hand your postings as well > > contain the same statements over and over. > > > > > because i have to address the same absurdities that you try and pass > > off time and time again. > > and i need to keep it simple as possible and repeat things several > > times...yet even this leaves you lost. > > it's just that loser thing that keep creeping up over and over again. > > and baba is not interested in winning at all. > > as said many times for your benefit... > > i'm here for you to get help understanding.. > > and to be the shoulder you need to cry on. > > baba understands and forgives you your defective thinking. > > you can't help it. > > that's the cards you were dealt. > > > > > > Still, I do not have any problem > > to contribute my daily 5 minutes. > > Try to read my answers to your postings > > not as attacks > > not as an attempt to win a battle > > and you will come closer to an understanding > > of my friendly intentions. > > > again with that phony bullshit? > > pretentious scams are so obvious. > > you just can't see that people see through your pomposity. > > they do stefan. > > how misplaced is your conceit. > > you only fool yourself with that silly smarmy bullshit. > > but it is funny..that i'll give you. > > > > So if you wish, please continue. > > > > All the best > > Stefan > > > > oh i will continue stevie.. > > not because i want to.. > > because you need my help. > > as said..again many times before...baba will help any and all. > > this is his gift to you. > > by no means is it connected with desire or want.. > > baba..unlike you...has none of that. > > > with the same sincerity... > > blessings, > > .b b.b. 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Guest guest Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge wrote: > > Good morning Bob Baba, good day steve. > today you are asking me to deliver quotes. > My friend, this is not necessary! > Your messages are in full length > automatically quoted at the end of each posting. > With every attribute that you attach to yourself > Or that you attach to Stefan > (and you are doing this in almost every sentence) > you express your beliefs and judgments. you won't deliver the quotes you attribute to baba because they don't exist stevie. you know that. but you will continue with the 'big lie' in hopes of fooling people into believing your storyline. likely you will continue this until left alone in the bunker. surrounded by the forces of truth that will destroy your false beliefs due to your inability to understand that your deluded ideas of superiority are from a different century and mindset...or are they? perhaps that sad commentary will apply throughout time ....or maybe for a thousand years? naw...that idea died in a bunker. mayhap your ignorance may die there too and you can enter the light. this is seemingly a long long long shot.. but baba will not abandon you. baba will continue to expose you in the hopes that you can disabuse yourself of the notion that you are even equal, let alone superior.. in this way you will be able to accept your actual situation... > In this last message you are again > defending in length " yourself " and your beliefs, > your personal position and intention > Your great understanding etc... > although I have never said anything negative > about them !!! how emotional of you herr stefan. triple exclamation marks? my my..you are shouting son. are you waving your arms in the air too. i've seen old newsreels of that behavior displayed in front of cheering crowds in your homeland. it seems millions were entranced and deluded by that comedy. baba is not. and of course that hand waving fist pounding numbskull also said he wasn't denigrating anyone's ideas. how droll. well all's well that ends well. this little conversation will end in a similar fashion. i really don't expect you to understand that until you surrender to a higher power and come to realization of actual fact and have lost your delusional ideas of yourself. when that day comes... baba will be there to help rebuild and reinvigorate your broken dreams. not because he has to..nor feels anything.. baba's nature is just this way. he helps all.... so little soldier..fear not. LOL! > You have stated that " Baba believes nothing " > Four times!!! > Four times you have stated your belief not to believe. > Four times you have defended this belief > Against a fly with windmill wings! and now five times i state the truth. do you 'blame' baba for stating the truth? look stefie...even baba finds the truth difficult at times.. but truth will not be overwhelmed by belief. this is why baba holds no beliefs. what is..is. baba learned long ago to accept truth. it may take overwhelming negation of your idea of what is.. instead of what actually is.. to come to understand that 'beliefs'.. whether of what is true..or ideas of superiority.. are demolished by truth, justice and the proper way. > You say: " Truth needs no defense " ! > Exactly, my friend! > Then why are you so defensive? read the first sentence above..as many times as neccesary steve. eventually you will see that i am not 'defending' that which needs no defense and that which will accept no contradiction.. TRUTH. bobji mearly 'states' the truth. no defense of the inevitable and ground actuality is needed nor given. this is just all part of your grand obsession of being god's gift. and he can well understand that after years of your self defeating ideas of how great and superior you are... that you are struggling with the eventual demise of those illusions. ideas that ultimately will fall to the powers of truth and benevolence. my compassion for your state of erroneous ideology is unbounded. > Let me tell you something about Advaita. > True Advaita is not a theoretical philosophy > which can be discussed in intellectual circles > where somebody shows his strong mind > and " high level " (!) of understanding no duh! your rehash of what is the 'definition' of the word advaita... is but a knee jerk 'self' idea. you cannot tell me...or yourself.. 'something' about advaita. there are no 'things'..not even 'somethings' in advaita. did you miss the first lesson kid? until you lose that 'self' (smarmy self too).. you haven't even begun to 'get' advaita. this does not take a " strong mind nor a " high level " (!) of understanding " this should be very good news in your case. merely accepting what's what is the key to success. and...what 'intellectual circle' do you believe this conversation is taking place in? this is a conversation between baba and stevie.. true baba may be considered an intellectual.. but my child... you cannot possibly be considered as closing that into a circle in this discussion. thinking that you do is a misapprehension of what is 'intellectual' but golly it's fun to see you think so. LOL! > Advaita is about how to live your life on razors edge. oh bulllshit. advaita is not about anything or any way of living. advaita IS. you talk like a little christian soldier wanting to bring in some new world order... there is no such razors edge. come on stevie..get with it. that statement above is a self delusional embarrassment on your part. > Because the one who has understood the false as the false > Can not change a iota of that what is > In fact there is nothing to be changed > He is drowned in what is, and he knows > Whatever can be said is not well i can see that you can use the words. too bad you don't understand the Understanding you refer to. there are no 'iotas' in Understanding. i guess that 'iota'...has become the log in your eye that blinds you into complaining about the splinter you perceive in the eye of the baba... there is no such splinter my misguided little soldier. you seek change in the changeless. not happening in this or any other lifetime. no new order son. what IS..Always has been...and will always be. > And still he may talk as it goes > And it goes as he talks > > :-) > Stefan chop wood..carry water.. ha ha.. so you have seen a zen primer! good for you. but..there is no 'he'.. there is no 'doings' there is no 'talking' there is no goings nor comings. you've really misunderstood the implications of that 'pointing' stef. you're just caught up in that non existent 'self'. so 'you'...walk..talk..and 'things' come..and things go. ho ho ho! we need to work on this. i'm sure you would enjoy order. there is no need to 'go' anywhere..nor to march in step. but that is cute. :-) yours in real truth, ..b b.b. > > > > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@> wrote: > > > > > > Hello Bob, > > > > > > hi stevie. > > > > > > > > > I guess I have to let you know > > > that I am not interested to " grasp Babas doings " . > > > > > > > > yes this is very obvious. > > > > you are only intereseted in your misunderstandings and faulty logic. > > > > > > > I am reading and answering your postings > > > and this is all I can do for you, > > > I hope you will understand this. > > > > > > > > baba understands all. > > > > i've mentioned this several times... > > > > i can see that you don't understand this. > > > > i can also see that you like to project your situation on others.. > > > > particularly on .b bobji. > > > > this is a pattern often found in mental cripples like yourself. > > > > it's laughable and i do enjoy watching the same predictable behavior > > > > on your part every time you reply. > > > > thanks for the chuckles chum. > > > > > > > > > > > I can say without doubt that it is evident > > > that your postings are mainly dealing > > > with the defense of your personal beliefs, > > > > > > > > no stefarooni.. > > > > baba mainly deals with the obvious. > > > > he's not defensive at all. > > > > truth needs no defense guy. > > > > and in particular.... > > > > there need be no defending against the impotence you display. > > > > baba believes nothing. > > > > four times said now. > > > > darn it all child.. > > > > by now you should be at least getting some glimmers of the > > > > situation rather than believing your own cloying and annoying > > > > misrepresentations of what's happening. > > > > is this weird habit of not getting it the reason your videos on > > > > website are so dated and boring? > > > > new age? > > > > c'mon stefan...that stuff is old and just a rehash of many many many > > > > others who have danced the light fantastic with about as much talent > > > > and diversity as moles. > > > > your postings are as deluded and old hat as well. > > > > you need some fresh ideas.. > > > > or maybe you just desire liebenstraum for yourself and your kind? > > > > which of course requires the enslavement of people you believe > > > > to subhuman races and the theft of their lands. > > > > silly boy... > > > > no one here or anywhere buys your delusional thoughts and erroneous > > > > opinions. > > > > i'm being kind to call them opinions. > > > > well it will never happen. > > > > ha ha ha > > > > > > > > > positions and opinions, where (as you clearly say) > > > " winning " is your main concern. > > > > > > WHERE did baba say that? > > > > show me. > > > > quote that passage. > > > > see stefie..you're lost in your own eidolon. > > > > you won't convince anyone of your misrepresentations. > > > > it's really foolhardy of you to try. > > > > you seem to adhere to the idea one of your idols who said: > > > > " if you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will > > > > eventually come to believe it. " > > > > well child..the lame dr. was wrong and so are you. > > > > relax and accept your mistakes of macabre sanctimonious moth-eaten > > > > prosaic behavior and stop trying to ply your twisted > > > > misrepresentations or is that just unwissenheit? > > > > likely so eh? > > > > ha ha ha haa! > > > > > > > > > I would like to let you know > > > that there is no reason at all to do so, > > > because I find you perfectly o.k. as you are > > > and I am not attacking you for anything > > > (And I never did) > > > > > > > > oh how holier than thou you like to come off! > > > > such schmaltzy slop is so insincere. > > > > it's sappy steve-a rino. > > > > which is ok of course. > > > > we all have your number. > > > > you're a phony. > > > > LOL! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don Quichotte fighting against wind mills > > > > > > don who? > > > > is that from one of your scandal sheets or story books? > > > > i never heard of don quichotte. > > > > damn that's funny! > > > > > > > > > Bob trying to argue with a fly on his window... > > > > > > this is delusional kid. > > > > there's no argument. > > > > i'm right...you're in error. > > > > facts are facts without dispute or argument mr. gnat fly. > > > > simple no? > > > > ..well in your case perhaps not. > > > > baba's here for you.. > > > > and you are very welcome to continue seeking clarifications from baba > > in order to clear things up for you. > > > > it seems to be a hopeless task, but baba will not give up on you and > > will continue to answer your unconscious cries for help. > > > > just don't get irritated over his snickering at you. > > > > no one can be expected to keep a straight face..in face of your jive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those are only metaphors to demonstrate > > > How I feel about your emotional outflows. > > > > > > sure..sure.. > > > > you seem to be emotionally caught up in your 'feelings' above. > > > > my replies are hardly emotional outflows. > > > > i tend to stick to the discipline that is needed by you.. > > > > without emotion or care.. > > > > except.. > > > > for the emotional enjoyment of watching you make an ass of yourself. > > > > now even you must see that this is humorous... > > > > your 'demonstrations' are demonstrably foolish.. > > > > one just needs to read them to see that. > > > > LOL! > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am aware that I am repeating myself > > > but on the other hand your postings as well > > > contain the same statements over and over. > > > > > > > > > > because i have to address the same absurdities that you try and pass > > > > off time and time again. > > > > and i need to keep it simple as possible and repeat things several > > > > times...yet even this leaves you lost. > > > > it's just that loser thing that keep creeping up over and over again. > > > > and baba is not interested in winning at all. > > > > as said many times for your benefit... > > > > i'm here for you to get help understanding.. > > > > and to be the shoulder you need to cry on. > > > > baba understands and forgives you your defective thinking. > > > > you can't help it. > > > > that's the cards you were dealt. > > > > > > > > > > > Still, I do not have any problem > > > to contribute my daily 5 minutes. > > > Try to read my answers to your postings > > > not as attacks > > > not as an attempt to win a battle > > > and you will come closer to an understanding > > > of my friendly intentions. > > > > > > again with that phony bullshit? > > > > pretentious scams are so obvious. > > > > you just can't see that people see through your pomposity. > > > > they do stefan. > > > > how misplaced is your conceit. > > > > you only fool yourself with that silly smarmy bullshit. > > > > but it is funny..that i'll give you. > > > > > > > So if you wish, please continue. > > > > > > All the best > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > oh i will continue stevie.. > > > > not because i want to.. > > > > because you need my help. > > > > as said..again many times before...baba will help any and all. > > > > this is his gift to you. > > > > by no means is it connected with desire or want.. > > > > baba..unlike you...has none of that. > > > > > > with the same sincerity... > > > > blessings, > > > > .b b.b. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 Dear Bob, of course those quotes do exist. This posting has a second part, which is a quotation of your defensive speech and your expressed believes about " you " and " me " . As I said, I have no problem with this, Thats how us humans do usually tick! So I wonder why you go on defending yourself, as if someone is trying to steel your car. Today you are lamenting that I " misunderstand " you. But, my brother, it is not my task to " understand " you! That what we call " personality " can never be understood! All that needs to be understood is its true nature: its flux, the illusionary state of a thought conglomerate. This is no theory, man! True understanding can really happen, But you have to have a life first... You have to go through it, live it. All the best Stefan Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@> wrote: > > > > Good morning Bob Baba, > > > good day steve. > > > > > > today you are asking me to deliver quotes. > > My friend, this is not necessary! > > Your messages are in full length > > automatically quoted at the end of each posting. > > With every attribute that you attach to yourself > > Or that you attach to Stefan > > (and you are doing this in almost every sentence) > > you express your beliefs and judgments. > > > > > you won't deliver the quotes you attribute to baba because they don't > > exist stevie. > > you know that. > > but you will continue with the 'big lie' in hopes of fooling people > > into believing your storyline. > > likely you will continue this until left alone in the bunker. > > surrounded by the forces of truth that will destroy your false beliefs > > due to your inability to understand that your deluded ideas of > > superiority are from a different century and mindset...or are they? > > perhaps that sad commentary will apply throughout time > > ...or maybe for a thousand years? > > naw...that idea died in a bunker. > > mayhap your ignorance may die there too and you can enter the light. > > this is seemingly a long long long shot.. > > but baba will not abandon you. > > baba will continue to expose you in the hopes that you can disabuse > > yourself of the notion that you are even equal, let alone superior.. > > in this way you will be able to accept your actual situation... > > > > > > > In this last message you are again > > defending in length " yourself " and your beliefs, > > your personal position and intention > > Your great understanding etc... > > although I have never said anything negative > > about them !!! > > > > how emotional of you herr stefan. > > triple exclamation marks? > > my my..you are shouting son. > > are you waving your arms in the air too. > > i've seen old newsreels of that behavior displayed in front of > > cheering crowds in your homeland. > > it seems millions were entranced and deluded by that comedy. > > baba is not. > > and of course that hand waving fist pounding numbskull also said he > > wasn't denigrating anyone's ideas. > > how droll. > > well all's well that ends well. > > this little conversation will end in a similar fashion. > > i really don't expect you to understand that until you surrender to a > > higher power and come to realization of actual fact and have lost your > > delusional ideas of yourself. > > when that day comes... > > baba will be there to help rebuild and reinvigorate your broken > > dreams. > > not because he has to..nor feels anything.. > > baba's nature is just this way. > > he helps all.... > > so little soldier..fear not. > > LOL! > > > > > > > You have stated that " Baba believes nothing " > > Four times!!! > > Four times you have stated your belief not to believe. > > Four times you have defended this belief > > Against a fly with windmill wings! > > > > and now five times i state the truth. > > do you 'blame' baba for stating the truth? > > look stefie...even baba finds the truth difficult at times.. > > but truth will not be overwhelmed by belief. > > this is why baba holds no beliefs. > > what is..is. > > baba learned long ago to accept truth. > > it may take overwhelming negation of your idea of what is.. > > instead of what actually is.. > > to come to understand that 'beliefs'.. > > whether of what is true..or ideas of superiority.. > > are demolished by truth, justice and the proper way. > > > > You say: " Truth needs no defense " ! > > Exactly, my friend! > > Then why are you so defensive? > > > read the first sentence above..as many times as neccesary steve. > > eventually you will see that i am not 'defending' that which needs no > > defense and that which will accept no contradiction.. > > TRUTH. > > bobji mearly 'states' the truth. > > no defense of the inevitable and ground actuality is needed nor given. > > this is just all part of your grand obsession of being god's gift. > > and he can well understand that after years of your self defeating > > ideas of how great and superior you are... > > that you are struggling with the eventual demise of those illusions. > > ideas that ultimately will fall to the powers of truth and > > benevolence. > > my compassion for your state of erroneous ideology is unbounded. > > > > > > > Let me tell you something about Advaita. > > True Advaita is not a theoretical philosophy > > which can be discussed in intellectual circles > > where somebody shows his strong mind > > and " high level " (!) of understanding > > > no duh! > > your rehash of what is the 'definition' of the word advaita... > > is but a knee jerk 'self' idea. > > you cannot tell me...or yourself.. > > 'something' about advaita. > > there are no 'things'..not even 'somethings' in advaita. > > did you miss the first lesson kid? > > until you lose that 'self' (smarmy self too).. > > you haven't even begun to 'get' advaita. > > this does not take a " strong mind nor a " high level " (!) of > > understanding " > > this should be very good news in your case. > > merely accepting what's what is the key to success. > > and...what 'intellectual circle' do you believe this conversation is > > taking place in? > > this is a conversation between baba and stevie.. > > true baba may be considered an intellectual.. > > but my child... > > you cannot possibly be considered as closing that into a circle in > > this discussion. > > thinking that you do is a misapprehension of what is 'intellectual' > > but golly it's fun to see you think so. > > LOL! > > > > > Advaita is about how to live your life on razors edge. > > > oh bulllshit. > > advaita is not about anything or any way of living. > > advaita IS. > > you talk like a little christian soldier wanting to bring in some new > > world order... > > there is no such razors edge. > > come on stevie..get with it. > > that statement above is a self delusional embarrassment on your part. > Because the one who has understood the false as the false > > Can not change a iota of that what is > > In fact there is nothing to be changed > > He is drowned in what is, and he knows > > Whatever can be said is not well i can see that you can use the words. > > too bad you don't understand the Understanding you refer to. > > there are no 'iotas' in Understanding. > > i guess that 'iota'...has become the log in your eye that blinds you > > into complaining about the splinter you perceive in the eye of the > > baba... > > there is no such splinter my misguided little soldier. > > you seek change in the changeless. > > not happening in this or any other lifetime. > > no new order son. > > what IS..Always has been...and will always be. > > > > And still he may talk as it goes > > And it goes as he talks > > > > :-) > > Stefan > > > chop wood..carry water.. > > ha ha.. > > so you have seen a zen primer! > > good for you. > > but..there is no 'he'.. > > there is no 'doings' > > there is no 'talking' > > there is no goings nor comings. > > you've really misunderstood the implications of that 'pointing' stef. > > you're just caught up in that non existent 'self'. > > so 'you'...walk..talk..and 'things' come..and things go. > > ho ho ho! > > we need to work on this. > > i'm sure you would enjoy order. > > there is no need to 'go' anywhere..nor to march in step. > > but that is cute. > > :-) > > yours in real truth, > > .b b.b. 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Guest guest Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge wrote: > > Dear Bob, > > of course those quotes do exist. > This posting has a second part, > which is a quotation of your defensive speech > and your expressed believes > about " you " and " me " . no those quotes do not exist stefie.. if they did you would be able to cite them. you cannot. you also believe that by mere repetition that you will convince, you will not. you're being silly again guy. i see the second part... that part has nothing to do with 'beliefs' of the baba.. they are not defenses.. those statements of yours regarding same are " your' beliefs. baba speaks truth.. or more precisely.. truth speaks through the baba who holds no beliefs. 'you' and 'me are your deluded concepts of what is. why is this apologia of your beliefs so necessary? relax chum. just accept that you are projecting what you suffer.. upon he who does not so suffer. this will free you of this insufferable delusion. > As I said, I have no problem with this, > Thats how us humans do usually tick! > So I wonder why you go on defending yourself, > as if someone is trying to steel your car. oh stevie.. even you, with your metaphorical shortcomings, could do better than this. baba's car has not been stolen.. is not made of 'steel'.. no one has ever tried to 'steel' it. and he couldn't care less if someone were to steal his non-steel car. bobji uses his flying carpet for transport... this of course seems magical to you.. being so far above your head. > Today you are lamenting that I " misunderstand " you. > But, my brother, it is not my task to " understand " you! > That what we call " personality " can never be understood! > All that needs to be understood is its true nature: > its flux, the illusionary state of a thought conglomerate. steve...'personality' is VERY easily understood. it has been explored and written on conclusively for centuries. you make too much out of a simple trick effected by a strange loop of 'self' generation and illusion. 'who' is there to understand this? there is no one fella. 'your' idea regarding such is merely an extension of that tomfoolery. and my child.. of course it is not your 'task' to understand the baba. baba never asks the impossible of the helpless. why do you lament? these helpful pointers are baba's gift to you. remember.. think...think,...think baba has stated the truth so many times now.. he holds no beliefs...feels no emotions.. and certainly NEVER 'laments' ANYTHING. but bobji does laugh at feeble attempts by mere shadows to turn the tables where that impossible 'task' is attempted in such a talentless way. > This is no theory, man! that's for damn sure. this is a joke. > True understanding can really happen, > But you have to have a life first... > You have to go through it, live it. ah! don't cut yourself out of the game like that sport. hope springs eternal for you yet.. you have .b bobji baba's assurance of this and his assistance as well. keep faith..take heart...fear not... your savior is present in the word made flesh through baba. strive on mein kleiner soldat..... you can.. and.... with baba's help.. you will... overcome. won't that be a glorious day! vapid stefan will be gone! praise the lord and give thanks to baba. that day is nigh! > All the best > Stefan sure thing, ..b bobji baba p.s. gee stevie...you found another spare 5 minutes? now tell me true.. that silliness doesn't really require five minutes of thought or time. that's just another of your little lies. it must be. *******************************NNB************************************ > > > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@> wrote: > > > > > > Good morning Bob Baba, > > > > > > good day steve. > > > > > > > > > > > today you are asking me to deliver quotes. > > > My friend, this is not necessary! > > > Your messages are in full length > > > automatically quoted at the end of each posting. > > > With every attribute that you attach to yourself > > > Or that you attach to Stefan > > > (and you are doing this in almost every sentence) > > > you express your beliefs and judgments. > > > > > > > > > > you won't deliver the quotes you attribute to baba because they don't > > > > exist stevie. > > > > you know that. > > > > but you will continue with the 'big lie' in hopes of fooling people > > > > into believing your storyline. > > > > likely you will continue this until left alone in the bunker. > > > > surrounded by the forces of truth that will destroy your false beliefs > > > > due to your inability to understand that your deluded ideas of > > > > superiority are from a different century and mindset...or are they? > > > > perhaps that sad commentary will apply throughout time > > > > ...or maybe for a thousand years? > > > > naw...that idea died in a bunker. > > > > mayhap your ignorance may die there too and you can enter the light. > > > > this is seemingly a long long long shot.. > > > > but baba will not abandon you. > > > > baba will continue to expose you in the hopes that you can disabuse > > > > yourself of the notion that you are even equal, let alone superior.. > > > > in this way you will be able to accept your actual situation... > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this last message you are again > > > defending in length " yourself " and your beliefs, > > > your personal position and intention > > > Your great understanding etc... > > > although I have never said anything negative > > > about them !!! > > > > > > > > how emotional of you herr stefan. > > > > triple exclamation marks? > > > > my my..you are shouting son. > > > > are you waving your arms in the air too. > > > > i've seen old newsreels of that behavior displayed in front of > > > > cheering crowds in your homeland. > > > > it seems millions were entranced and deluded by that comedy. > > > > baba is not. > > > > and of course that hand waving fist pounding numbskull also said he > > > > wasn't denigrating anyone's ideas. > > > > how droll. > > > > well all's well that ends well. > > > > this little conversation will end in a similar fashion. > > > > i really don't expect you to understand that until you surrender to a > > > > higher power and come to realization of actual fact and have lost your > > > > delusional ideas of yourself. > > > > when that day comes... > > > > baba will be there to help rebuild and reinvigorate your broken > > > > dreams. > > > > not because he has to..nor feels anything.. > > > > baba's nature is just this way. > > > > he helps all.... > > > > so little soldier..fear not. > > > > LOL! > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have stated that " Baba believes nothing " > > > Four times!!! > > > Four times you have stated your belief not to believe. > > > Four times you have defended this belief > > > Against a fly with windmill wings! > > > > > > > > and now five times i state the truth. > > > > do you 'blame' baba for stating the truth? > > > > look stefie...even baba finds the truth difficult at times.. > > > > but truth will not be overwhelmed by belief. > > > > this is why baba holds no beliefs. > > > > what is..is. > > > > baba learned long ago to accept truth. > > > > it may take overwhelming negation of your idea of what is.. > > > > instead of what actually is.. > > > > to come to understand that 'beliefs'.. > > > > whether of what is true..or ideas of superiority.. > > > > are demolished by truth, justice and the proper way. > > > > > > > You say: " Truth needs no defense " ! > > > Exactly, my friend! > > > Then why are you so defensive? > > > > > > read the first sentence above..as many times as neccesary steve. > > > > eventually you will see that i am not 'defending' that which needs no > > > > defense and that which will accept no contradiction.. > > > > TRUTH. > > > > bobji mearly 'states' the truth. > > > > no defense of the inevitable and ground actuality is needed nor given. > > > > this is just all part of your grand obsession of being god's gift. > > > > and he can well understand that after years of your self defeating > > > > ideas of how great and superior you are... > > > > that you are struggling with the eventual demise of those illusions. > > > > ideas that ultimately will fall to the powers of truth and > > > > benevolence. > > > > my compassion for your state of erroneous ideology is unbounded. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me tell you something about Advaita. > > > True Advaita is not a theoretical philosophy > > > which can be discussed in intellectual circles > > > where somebody shows his strong mind > > > and " high level " (!) of understanding > > > > > > no duh! > > > > your rehash of what is the 'definition' of the word advaita... > > > > is but a knee jerk 'self' idea. > > > > you cannot tell me...or yourself.. > > > > 'something' about advaita. > > > > there are no 'things'..not even 'somethings' in advaita. > > > > did you miss the first lesson kid? > > > > until you lose that 'self' (smarmy self too).. > > > > you haven't even begun to 'get' advaita. > > > > this does not take a " strong mind nor a " high level " (!) of > > > > understanding " > > > > this should be very good news in your case. > > > > merely accepting what's what is the key to success. > > > > and...what 'intellectual circle' do you believe this conversation is > > > > taking place in? > > > > this is a conversation between baba and stevie.. > > > > true baba may be considered an intellectual.. > > > > but my child... > > > > you cannot possibly be considered as closing that into a circle in > > > > this discussion. > > > > thinking that you do is a misapprehension of what is 'intellectual' > > > > but golly it's fun to see you think so. > > > > LOL! > > > > > > > > > Advaita is about how to live your life on razors edge. > > > > > > oh bulllshit. > > > > advaita is not about anything or any way of living. > > > > advaita IS. > > > > you talk like a little christian soldier wanting to bring in some new > > > > world order... > > > > there is no such razors edge. > > > > come on stevie..get with it. > > > > that statement above is a self delusional embarrassment on your part. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because the one who has understood the false as the false > > > Can not change a iota of that what is > > > In fact there is nothing to be changed > > > He is drowned in what is, and he knows > > > Whatever can be said is not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well i can see that you can use the words. > > > > too bad you don't understand the Understanding you refer to. > > > > there are no 'iotas' in Understanding. > > > > i guess that 'iota'...has become the log in your eye that blinds you > > > > into complaining about the splinter you perceive in the eye of the > > > > baba... > > > > there is no such splinter my misguided little soldier. > > > > you seek change in the changeless. > > > > not happening in this or any other lifetime. > > > > no new order son. > > > > what IS..Always has been...and will always be. > > > > > > > And still he may talk as it goes > > > And it goes as he talks > > > > > > :-) > > > Stefan > > > > > > chop wood..carry water.. > > > > ha ha.. > > > > so you have seen a zen primer! > > > > good for you. > > > > but..there is no 'he'.. > > > > there is no 'doings' > > > > there is no 'talking' > > > > there is no goings nor comings. > > > > you've really misunderstood the implications of that 'pointing' stef. > > > > you're just caught up in that non existent 'self'. > > > > so 'you'...walk..talk..and 'things' come..and things go. > > > > ho ho ho! > > > > we need to work on this. > > > > i'm sure you would enjoy order. > > > > there is no need to 'go' anywhere..nor to march in step. > > > > but that is cute. > > > > :-) > > > > yours in real truth, > > > > .b b.b. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 My dear Bob, I was asking you why you are so defensive, and you are answering me with another defense, declaring that your defense is not a defense, Forgetting that such a statement naturally is again another defense. Oh my friend, why do you trouble yourself so much? All I am telling you is: " relax! " Everything is o.k.! You are o.k.! I do not blame you, I do not judge you! Why do my statements provoke you To send me such postings? I do not blame you for anything. I just see you as an ordinary human being Ordinary as myself and everyone else Does this hurt you so much? Stefan Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bob, > > > > of course those quotes do exist. > > This posting has a second part, > > which is a quotation of your defensive speech > > and your expressed believes > > about " you " and " me " . > > > > no those quotes do not exist stefie.. > > if they did you would be able to cite them. > > you cannot. > > you also believe that by mere repetition that you will convince, > > you will not. > > you're being silly again guy. > > i see the second part... > > that part has nothing to do with 'beliefs' of the baba.. > > they are not defenses.. > > those statements of yours regarding same are " your' beliefs. > > baba speaks truth.. > > or more precisely.. > > truth speaks through the baba who holds no beliefs. > > 'you' and 'me are your deluded concepts of what is. > > why is this apologia of your beliefs so necessary? > > relax chum. > > just accept that you are projecting what you suffer.. > > upon he who does not so suffer. > > this will free you of this insufferable delusion. > > As I said, I have no problem with this, > > Thats how us humans do usually tick! > > So I wonder why you go on defending yourself, > > as if someone is trying to steel your car. > > > > oh stevie.. > > even you, with your metaphorical shortcomings, could do better than > > this. > > baba's car has not been stolen.. > > is not made of 'steel'.. > > no one has ever tried to 'steel' it. > > and he couldn't care less if someone were to steal his non-steel car. > > bobji uses his flying carpet for transport... > > this of course seems magical to you.. > > being so far above your head. > > Today you are lamenting that I " misunderstand " you. > > But, my brother, it is not my task to " understand " you! > > That what we call " personality " can never be understood! > > All that needs to be understood is its true nature: > > its flux, the illusionary state of a thought conglomerate. > steve...'personality' is VERY easily understood. > > it has been explored and written on conclusively for centuries. > > you make too much out of a simple trick effected by a strange loop of > > 'self' generation and illusion. > > 'who' is there to understand this? > > there is no one fella. > > 'your' idea regarding such is merely an extension of that tomfoolery. > > and my child.. > > of course it is not your 'task' to understand the baba. > > baba never asks the impossible of the helpless. > > why do you lament? > > these helpful pointers are baba's gift to you. > > remember.. > > think...think,...think > > baba has stated the truth so many times now.. > > he holds no beliefs...feels no emotions.. > > and certainly NEVER 'laments' ANYTHING. > > but bobji does laugh at feeble attempts by mere shadows to turn the > > tables where that impossible 'task' is attempted in such a talentless > > way. > > > > > > > This is no theory, man! > > > > > that's for damn sure. > > this is a joke. > > True understanding can really happen, > > But you have to have a life first... > > You have to go through it, live it. > > > > > ah! > > don't cut yourself out of the game like that sport. > > hope springs eternal for you yet.. > > you have .b bobji baba's assurance of this and his assistance as well. > > keep faith..take heart...fear not... > > your savior is present in the word made flesh through baba. > > strive on mein kleiner soldat..... > > you can.. > > and.... > > with baba's help.. > > you will... > > overcome. > > won't that be a glorious day! > > vapid stefan will be gone! > > praise the lord and give thanks to baba. > > that day is nigh! > > > > > > > All the best > > Stefan > > > > sure thing, > > .b bobji baba > > p.s. > > gee stevie...you found another spare 5 minutes? > > now tell me true.. > > that silliness doesn't really require five minutes of thought or time. > > that's just another of your little lies. > > it must be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge wrote: > > My dear Bob, > > I was asking you why you are so defensive, > and you are answering me with another defense, > declaring that your defense is not a defense, > Forgetting that such a statement naturally > is again another defense. LOL! you really need to feel that someone is defending themselves from you. ha ha! that's genetic i'm sure. is this a residual sort of an 'in the blood' feature from the fatherland? baba clarifies your misconceptions and you say that's a defense of a defense that he has. and you have a purer blood and thought... you feel that you are NOT defending yourself.. well your forefathers were successful in curtailing truth for a short while... until they had to..like you eventually will.. have to drop that silly superior shit.. lay down your impotent arms(ha ha) silly stevie. relax...remember..regroup....recoup. you have nothing to lose but yourself. and that will be your biggest boon. when your forbears finally saw the light.. didn't all of their perceived enemies, whom they felt needed defending from their righteous attacks...come to the rescue of the defeated nation? obviously the folks back home at the time couldn't handle the results their self delusions of grandeur. and likewise baba will be your hero and savior too when the time comes for you to finally accept the truth. baba isn't defending himself stefie.. he is being gracious that's all. be calm, loosen up, lose that rigid tenseness. don't keep trying to defend your defenseless situation. it will not work any more than it did for your ancestors kid. > Oh my friend, why do you trouble yourself so much? why no trouble at all stefan. baba is giving and helpful by nature. no effort on his part is required when aiding those who need his help. > All I am telling you is: " relax! " > Everything is o.k.! You are o.k.! why the exclamation marks? do you feel compelled to shout? i am relaxed stevie. it would seem from your writing: " All I am telling you is:.. " ...trying to give orders.... this again being for you nationalistically a fitting style.. than following with: ' " relax! " Everything is o.k.! You are o.k.!' again THREE exclamation marks in a row... well frankly steve-a rino... from the above... it would seem that it is YOU who needs to relax. > I do not blame you, I do not judge you! oh crap stefie... you 'blame' me of defending myself when i am not... you 'judge' me as not being relaxed even as i am the model of relaxation and mirth. gosh kid don't you even think about what you are saying? the above sentence indicts you of the very things you deny. that's downright hilarious silly. > Why do my statements provoke you > To send me such postings? they don't provoke me stevie. they give me great joy actually. at least they brighten my day with laughter. why does this infuriate you so? why do you consistently misrepresent in postings to me what i have said to fit your beliefs of what you perceive so incorrectly? do try and wake up. you are either intentionally not getting it.. or you are unconsciously determined to continue the part of the fool. either way fella.. it's very unbecoming and farcical. > I do not blame you for anything. > I just see you as an ordinary human being > Ordinary as myself and everyone else > Does this hurt you so much? > > Stefan baba can't be 'hurt' my loopy little one. it seems too that what you seem to see is consistently in error. and agreed.. baba is nothing special. baba is nothing. that's why baba can help you. you feel that you're 'someone'. only a no one...a true nothing.. be of help for 'you'. your painful sorrow and and distress at feeling aggrieved will vanish. all that is needed is acceptance of truth and baba's aid. this will come in time. your helpful leader, ..b b.b. **********************NNB********************************************* > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bob, > > > > > > of course those quotes do exist. > > > This posting has a second part, > > > which is a quotation of your defensive speech > > > and your expressed believes > > > about " you " and " me " . > > > > > > > > no those quotes do not exist stefie.. > > > > if they did you would be able to cite them. > > > > you cannot. > > > > you also believe that by mere repetition that you will convince, > > > > you will not. > > > > you're being silly again guy. > > > > i see the second part... > > > > that part has nothing to do with 'beliefs' of the baba.. > > > > they are not defenses.. > > > > those statements of yours regarding same are " your' beliefs. > > > > baba speaks truth.. > > > > or more precisely.. > > > > truth speaks through the baba who holds no beliefs. > > > > 'you' and 'me are your deluded concepts of what is. > > > > why is this apologia of your beliefs so necessary? > > > > relax chum. > > > > just accept that you are projecting what you suffer.. > > > > upon he who does not so suffer. > > > > this will free you of this insufferable delusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I said, I have no problem with this, > > > Thats how us humans do usually tick! > > > So I wonder why you go on defending yourself, > > > as if someone is trying to steel your car. > > > > > > > > oh stevie.. > > > > even you, with your metaphorical shortcomings, could do better than > > > > this. > > > > baba's car has not been stolen.. > > > > is not made of 'steel'.. > > > > no one has ever tried to 'steel' it. > > > > and he couldn't care less if someone were to steal his non-steel car. > > > > bobji uses his flying carpet for transport... > > > > this of course seems magical to you.. > > > > being so far above your head. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today you are lamenting that I " misunderstand " you. > > > But, my brother, it is not my task to " understand " you! > > > That what we call " personality " can never be understood! > > > All that needs to be understood is its true nature: > > > its flux, the illusionary state of a thought conglomerate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > steve...'personality' is VERY easily understood. > > > > it has been explored and written on conclusively for centuries. > > > > you make too much out of a simple trick effected by a strange loop of > > > > 'self' generation and illusion. > > > > 'who' is there to understand this? > > > > there is no one fella. > > > > 'your' idea regarding such is merely an extension of that tomfoolery. > > > > and my child.. > > > > of course it is not your 'task' to understand the baba. > > > > baba never asks the impossible of the helpless. > > > > why do you lament? > > > > these helpful pointers are baba's gift to you. > > > > remember.. > > > > think...think,...think > > > > baba has stated the truth so many times now.. > > > > he holds no beliefs...feels no emotions.. > > > > and certainly NEVER 'laments' ANYTHING. > > > > but bobji does laugh at feeble attempts by mere shadows to turn the > > > > tables where that impossible 'task' is attempted in such a talentless > > > > way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is no theory, man! > > > > > > > > > > that's for damn sure. > > > > this is a joke. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > True understanding can really happen, > > > But you have to have a life first... > > > You have to go through it, live it. > > > > > > > > > > ah! > > > > don't cut yourself out of the game like that sport. > > > > hope springs eternal for you yet.. > > > > you have .b bobji baba's assurance of this and his assistance as well. > > > > keep faith..take heart...fear not... > > > > your savior is present in the word made flesh through baba. > > > > strive on mein kleiner soldat..... > > > > you can.. > > > > and.... > > > > with baba's help.. > > > > you will... > > > > overcome. > > > > won't that be a glorious day! > > > > vapid stefan will be gone! > > > > praise the lord and give thanks to baba. > > > > that day is nigh! > > > > > > > > > > > > > All the best > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > sure thing, > > > > .b bobji baba > > > > p.s. > > > > gee stevie...you found another spare 5 minutes? > > > > now tell me true.. > > > > that silliness doesn't really require five minutes of thought or time. > > > > that's just another of your little lies. > > > > it must be. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 Hi Bob, I have a few questions. Why do you write again and again that your reactions are not defensive? Could you explain why it is so important to you to repeat this over and over? I really wonder, because AFAIK there is nobody here who is accusing you because of this. Moreover, I wonder why you call me " superior " , I think I am not so much different from you. Greetings Stefan Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@> wrote: > > > > My dear Bob, > > > > I was asking you why you are so defensive, > > and you are answering me with another defense, > > declaring that your defense is not a defense, > > Forgetting that such a statement naturally > > is again another defense. > > > > > LOL! > > you really need to feel that someone is defending themselves from you. > > > ha ha! > > that's genetic i'm sure. > > is this a residual sort of an 'in the blood' feature from the > > fatherland? > > baba clarifies your misconceptions and you say that's a defense of a > > defense that he has. > > and you have a purer blood and thought... > > you feel that you are NOT defending yourself.. > > well your forefathers were successful in curtailing truth for a short > > while... > > until they had to..like you eventually will.. > > have to drop that silly superior shit.. > > lay down your impotent arms(ha ha) > > silly stevie. > > relax...remember..regroup....recoup. > > you have nothing to lose but yourself. > > and that will be your biggest boon. > > when your forbears finally saw the light.. > > didn't all of their perceived enemies, whom they felt needed defending > > from their righteous attacks...come to the rescue of the defeated > > nation? > > obviously the folks back home at the time couldn't handle the results > > their self delusions of grandeur. > > and likewise baba will be your hero and savior too when the time comes > > for you to finally accept the truth. > > baba isn't defending himself stefie.. > > he is being gracious that's all. > > be calm, loosen up, lose that rigid tenseness. > > don't keep trying to defend your defenseless situation. > > it will not work any more than it did for your ancestors kid. > Oh my friend, why do you trouble yourself so much? > > > > why no trouble at all stefan. > > baba is giving and helpful by nature. > > no effort on his part is required when aiding those who need his help. > > > > > > > All I am telling you is: " relax! " > > Everything is o.k.! You are o.k.! > > > > > why the exclamation marks? > > do you feel compelled to shout? > > i am relaxed stevie. > > it would seem from your writing: > > " All I am telling you is:.. " ...trying to give orders.... > > this again being for you nationalistically a fitting style.. > > than following with: > > ' " relax! " Everything is o.k.! You are o.k.!' > > again THREE exclamation marks in a row... > > well frankly steve-a rino... > > from the above... > > it would seem that it is YOU who needs to relax. > I do not blame you, I do not judge you! > > > oh crap stefie... > > you 'blame' me of defending myself when i am not... > > you 'judge' me as not being relaxed even as i am the model of > > relaxation and mirth. > > gosh kid don't you even think about what you are saying? > > the above sentence indicts you of the very things you deny. > > that's downright hilarious silly. > > > > > > > Why do my statements provoke you > > To send me such postings? > > > > they don't provoke me stevie. > > they give me great joy actually. > > at least they brighten my day with laughter. > > why does this infuriate you so? > > why do you consistently misrepresent in postings to me what i have > > said to fit your beliefs of what you perceive so incorrectly? > > do try and wake up. > > you are either intentionally not getting it.. > > or you are unconsciously determined to continue the part of the fool. > > either way fella.. > > it's very unbecoming and farcical. > > > > > > I do not blame you for anything. > > I just see you as an ordinary human being > > Ordinary as myself and everyone else > > Does this hurt you so much? > > > > Stefan > > > baba can't be 'hurt' my loopy little one. > > it seems too that what you seem to see is consistently in error. > > and agreed.. > > baba is nothing special. > > baba is nothing. > > that's why baba can help you. > > you feel that you're 'someone'. > > only a no one...a true nothing.. > > be of help for 'you'. > > your painful sorrow and and distress at feeling aggrieved will vanish. > > all that is needed is acceptance of truth and baba's aid. > > this will come in time. > > > > your helpful leader, > > .b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge wrote: > > Hi Bob, > > I have a few questions. > > Why do you write again and again > that your reactions are not defensive? those aren't 'reactions' steve.. those are replies. why do you feel that a reply is reactive? i don't follow you. you seem to react to my replies...and i respond to your reaction. this is hardly defensive.. this is courteous. why is this so difficult for you to grasp? i realize it's not your task as you have stated, but gosh darn it all kiddo you are misreading everything written.. as well as everything intended by those writings. i'm assisting you in coming to Light. are you truly so lightheaded as to not understand this? > Could you explain why it is so important to you > to repeat this over and over? > I really wonder, because AFAIK there is nobody here > who is accusing you because of this. again and again i explain to you that i MUST repeat and repeat... for your edification and need. and must repeat and repeat that it is not important to me.. NOTHING is important to baba.. and ONLY 'nothing' IS.... and is important. baba is the perfect expression of this... " nothing' that is 'all and everything'... in truth and in sincerity. the need for such repetition is obvious. you can't seem to 'get' this simple truth. baba's graciousness is limitless. he will repeat seven times seventy times if needs be just as he forgives your missing the mark eternally. in baba's Home there are many dimensions of truth and awareness. he has prepared one for you. it awaits your awakening and will bring you great joy and tidings of actual freedom from your expressed anger and fear. > Moreover, I wonder why you call me " superior " , > I think I am not so much different from you. > > Greetings > Stefan and again i am required to state to you what baba REALLY said.. not what you have mistakenly read into what he said. he said you 'think'...'feel'...express yourself'..as superior. in no way have i ever thought or said that you were superior. baba doesn't lie. you absolutely are NOT superior.. that's the truth and it's the truth speaking through baba. let me challenge you again to cite the quote from .b b.b. that states that you ARE superior. it is nonexistent and you know it. are you old enough to have truly been influenced by the idea of the " Big Lie " eventually being accepted by the masses or anyone? you certainly seem to be under it's spell. it totally won't work my little warrior. LOL! p.s. you have been spending many minutes beyond five that you can afford. perhaps things will clear up for you if you have a nap. naps always relieve cranky children. afterwards they are refreshed and can possibly understand that the tender reprimands of those who are aware of more is for their own benefit. yep...you need some warm milk and a nap. rock a bye baby. LOL! ****************************NNB*************************************** > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@> wrote: > > > > > > My dear Bob, > > > > > > I was asking you why you are so defensive, > > > and you are answering me with another defense, > > > declaring that your defense is not a defense, > > > Forgetting that such a statement naturally > > > is again another defense. > > > > > > > > > > LOL! > > > > you really need to feel that someone is defending themselves from you. > > > > > > ha ha! > > > > that's genetic i'm sure. > > > > is this a residual sort of an 'in the blood' feature from the > > > > fatherland? > > > > baba clarifies your misconceptions and you say that's a defense of a > > > > defense that he has. > > > > and you have a purer blood and thought... > > > > you feel that you are NOT defending yourself.. > > > > well your forefathers were successful in curtailing truth for a short > > > > while... > > > > until they had to..like you eventually will.. > > > > have to drop that silly superior shit.. > > > > lay down your impotent arms(ha ha) > > > > silly stevie. > > > > relax...remember..regroup....recoup. > > > > you have nothing to lose but yourself. > > > > and that will be your biggest boon. > > > > when your forbears finally saw the light.. > > > > didn't all of their perceived enemies, whom they felt needed defending > > > > from their righteous attacks...come to the rescue of the defeated > > > > nation? > > > > obviously the folks back home at the time couldn't handle the results > > > > their self delusions of grandeur. > > > > and likewise baba will be your hero and savior too when the time comes > > > > for you to finally accept the truth. > > > > baba isn't defending himself stefie.. > > > > he is being gracious that's all. > > > > be calm, loosen up, lose that rigid tenseness. > > > > don't keep trying to defend your defenseless situation. > > > > it will not work any more than it did for your ancestors kid. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh my friend, why do you trouble yourself so much? > > > > > > > > why no trouble at all stefan. > > > > baba is giving and helpful by nature. > > > > no effort on his part is required when aiding those who need his help. > > > > > > > > > > > > > All I am telling you is: " relax! " > > > Everything is o.k.! You are o.k.! > > > > > > > > > > why the exclamation marks? > > > > do you feel compelled to shout? > > > > i am relaxed stevie. > > > > it would seem from your writing: > > > > " All I am telling you is:.. " ...trying to give orders.... > > > > this again being for you nationalistically a fitting style.. > > > > than following with: > > > > ' " relax! " Everything is o.k.! You are o.k.!' > > > > again THREE exclamation marks in a row... > > > > well frankly steve-a rino... > > > > from the above... > > > > it would seem that it is YOU who needs to relax. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not blame you, I do not judge you! > > > > > > oh crap stefie... > > > > you 'blame' me of defending myself when i am not... > > > > you 'judge' me as not being relaxed even as i am the model of > > > > relaxation and mirth. > > > > gosh kid don't you even think about what you are saying? > > > > the above sentence indicts you of the very things you deny. > > > > that's downright hilarious silly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why do my statements provoke you > > > To send me such postings? > > > > > > > > they don't provoke me stevie. > > > > they give me great joy actually. > > > > at least they brighten my day with laughter. > > > > why does this infuriate you so? > > > > why do you consistently misrepresent in postings to me what i have > > > > said to fit your beliefs of what you perceive so incorrectly? > > > > do try and wake up. > > > > you are either intentionally not getting it.. > > > > or you are unconsciously determined to continue the part of the fool. > > > > either way fella.. > > > > it's very unbecoming and farcical. > > > > > > > > > > > I do not blame you for anything. > > > I just see you as an ordinary human being > > > Ordinary as myself and everyone else > > > Does this hurt you so much? > > > > > > Stefan > > > > > > baba can't be 'hurt' my loopy little one. > > > > it seems too that what you seem to see is consistently in error. > > > > and agreed.. > > > > baba is nothing special. > > > > baba is nothing. > > > > that's why baba can help you. > > > > you feel that you're 'someone'. > > > > only a no one...a true nothing.. > > > > be of help for 'you'. > > > > your painful sorrow and and distress at feeling aggrieved will vanish. > > > > all that is needed is acceptance of truth and baba's aid. > > > > this will come in time. > > > > > > > > your helpful leader, > > > > .b b.b. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 Hello Bob, when I say: " why are you so defensive? " You say " Baba is not defensive " When I say " you react " You say: " Those aren't reactions " When I say " You believe not to believe " You say " Baba has no beliefs " When I say " why do you feel hurt " You say " Baba cannot be hurt " etc etc... See, those are mere reactions: defensive, predictable, automatic... " Little Stefan has misunderstood me " And on and on you go Like a 5 year old boy. But thats how our minds do function, They are meant to be survival tools, Amazing, isn't it Greetings Stefan Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@> wrote: > > > > Hi Bob, > > > > I have a few questions. > > > > Why do you write again and again > > that your reactions are not defensive? > > > > those aren't 'reactions' steve.. > > those are replies. > > why do you feel that a reply is reactive? > > i don't follow you. > > you seem to react to my replies...and i respond to your reaction. > > this is hardly defensive.. > > this is courteous. > > why is this so difficult for you to grasp? > > i realize it's not your task as you have stated, > > but gosh darn it all kiddo you are misreading everything written.. > > as well as everything intended by those writings. > > i'm assisting you in coming to Light. > > are you truly so lightheaded as to not understand this? > > > > > > > Could you explain why it is so important to you > > to repeat this over and over? > > I really wonder, because AFAIK there is nobody here > > who is accusing you because of this. > > > > again and again i explain to you that i MUST repeat and repeat... > > for your edification and need. > > and must repeat and repeat that it is not important to me.. > > NOTHING is important to baba.. > > and ONLY 'nothing' IS.... and is important. > > baba is the perfect expression of this... > > " nothing' that is 'all and everything'... > > in truth and in sincerity. > > the need for such repetition is obvious. > > you can't seem to 'get' this simple truth. > > baba's graciousness is limitless. > > he will repeat seven times seventy times if needs be > > just as he forgives your missing the mark eternally. > > in baba's Home there are many dimensions of truth and awareness. > > he has prepared one for you. > > it awaits your awakening and will bring you great joy and tidings of > > actual freedom from your expressed anger and fear. > Moreover, I wonder why you call me " superior " , > > I think I am not so much different from you. > > > > Greetings > > Stefan > > > > and again i am required to state to you what baba REALLY said.. > > not what you have mistakenly read into what he said. > > he said you 'think'...'feel'...express yourself'..as superior. > > in no way have i ever thought or said that you were superior. > > baba doesn't lie. > > you absolutely are NOT superior.. > > that's the truth and it's the truth speaking through baba. > > let me challenge you again to cite the quote from .b b.b. that states > > that you ARE superior. > > it is nonexistent and you know it. > > are you old enough to have truly been influenced by the idea of the > > " Big Lie " eventually being accepted by the masses or anyone? > > you certainly seem to be under it's spell. > > it totally won't work my little warrior. > > LOL! > > p.s. > > you have been spending many minutes beyond five that you can afford. > > perhaps things will clear up for you if you have a nap. > > naps always relieve cranky children. > > afterwards they are refreshed and can possibly understand that the > > tender reprimands of those who are aware of more is for their own > > benefit. > > yep...you need some warm milk and a nap. > > rock a bye baby. > > LOL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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