Guest guest Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 Nisargadatta , Noel <noel_beau wrote: > > > > --- dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , Noel > > <noel_beau@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the end of delusion is the end of being > > > > body-mind-intellect > > > > > > > > the end of delusion is the beginning of a never > > > > ending ocean > > > > > > > > discovering Itself > > > > > > > > ...in a dream which is witnessed by infinite > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc, > > > > > > What is it...who is it...just now, who finds you > > > beautiful...and does it matter > > > > > > Noel > > > > > > > > > > does it matter if i answer (write few nice words) to > > you....or not? > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > Well, it is nice, but it does not matter...I so > enjoyed the feeling... > > Noel > > hi Noel, nice feeling is a good sign.....of delusion..... whenever it happen... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 --- Era Molnar <n0ndual wrote: > Era: > > It is not easy for someone with brains to read 20 > posts of > couplings what could be done in privi and has > nothing to do with Nisargadatta > > Era 'Brains'? Perhaps. Brains are finite. Intelligence is a different matter. Intelligence is infinite. Intelligence requires the ability to take in everything and understand, among other things, how it all applies, even too Nisargardatta. Noel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " <n0ndual wrote: > > > > Well, I do not think I am very good at poetry. > > BTW, where is Bill? > > > Era: Bill left, so did Patricia. > > It is not easy for someone with brains to read 20 posts of > couplings what could be done in privi and has nothing to do with Nisargadatta > > Era > > > What I meant by it doesn't matter is that if Marc > did not answer or write a few nice words in response > to my finding him beautiful it would not change anything. > > Noel > Now that there's little blood shed, almost all the blood thirsty ones are gone. The rest don't speak the language well enough to know it's practically over. Toom and Patricia left when the word " heart " was mentioned. Bill left when it was realized that he didn't read what he was responding to. Anna's having another drink. .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 Nisargadatta , Noel <noel_beau wrote: > > > > --- dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , Noel > > <noel_beau@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Noel > > > > <noel_beau@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the end of delusion is the end of being > > > > > > body-mind-intellect > > > > > > > > > > > > the end of delusion is the beginning of a > > never > > > > > > ending ocean > > > > > > > > > > > > discovering Itself > > > > > > > > > > > > ...in a dream which is witnessed by infinite > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc, > > > > > > > > > > What is it...who is it...just now, who finds > > you > > > > > beautiful...and does it matter > > > > > > > > > > Noel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does it matter if i answer (write few nice > > words) to > > > > you....or not? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, it is nice, but it does not matter...I so > > > enjoyed the feeling... > > > > > > Noel > > > > > > > > hi Noel, > > > > nice feeling is a good sign.....of delusion..... > > > > whenever it happen... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > I do not regard my feelings as signaling delusion, > Marc, and I think I would miss a great deal if I did. > > I do not know if I understand precisely what you mean > by 'nice feeling is a good sign of delusion'. > > Can we take as an example my telling you while reading > your words that I found you beautiful at that moment? > > One might, then, interpret your response here as your > telling me I am delusional because you are not > beautiful. > > If this is the case, however, you would not be telling > me anything about my feelings or thoughts but yours, > that is that you do not feel or think of yourself as > beautiful. > > How does what you believe make my nice feelings a sign > of delusion? > > Noel ok....i have no idea in how far you feel to be in or out of delusion/illusion..... sorry for the words which caused confusion..... the subject " the end of delusion " ....is an interesting subject....and i still feel good with the main statement of " the end of delusion " i made some parrots in here....who reflect mostly the books/theories/concepts....they are involved in....... have sometimes much problems to write....realy....something about themself...... and sure ....there are entities who don't believe in " illusion " ...and therefore also don't believe in " delusion " ........ it seem that times become hard in here....reading that " brains " already left....... maybe there are " other nice places " where they can continue with intellectual expeditions..... where they can make themself ridiculoes.....again and again.... who knows....and care... Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2006 Report Share Posted September 2, 2006 Nisargadatta , Noel <noel_beau wrote: > > > > --- dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > > ok....i have no idea in how far you feel to be in or > > out of > > delusion/illusion..... > > > > sorry for the words which caused confusion..... > > > > > I was not offended, in case you thought I might have > been. The wonder is when communication is not > confused *Sometimes*, I think it is worth going > through the confusion to experience the moments when > it is not confused, or at least does not seem to be. > > > > > > > > the subject " the end of delusion " ....is an > > interesting subject....and > > i still feel good with the main statement of " the > > end of delusion " i > > made > > > Is it this one: > > > the end of delusion is the end of being > body-mind-intellect the end of delusion is the > beginning of a never ending ocean discovering > Itself...in a dream which is witnessed by infinite > being > > > Marc > > > yessssssssssssss... > > > > > > > some parrots in here....who reflect mostly the > > books/theories/concepts....they are involved > > in....... > > have sometimes much problems to > > write....realy....something about > > themself...... > > > > and sure ....there are entities who don't believe in > > " illusion " ...and > > therefore also don't believe in " delusion " ........ > > > > it seem that times become hard in here....reading > > that " brains " > > already left....... > > > > Let's remember it was not they who stated they left, > or for what reason. Perhaps, they have only taken a > rest from the list and will return. It is good to > take a rest, to be quiet sometimes. > > > > > > > > maybe there are " other nice places " where they can > > continue with > > intellectual expeditions..... > > > > where they can make themself ridiculoes.....again > > and again.... > > > > > > who knows....and care... > > > > > > Marc > > > > People are all at different stages, phases, > levels...this makes it difficult to communicate. I > think sometimes Nisargadatta's (and many others') > words are taken too literally. It is like the > fundamentalist christians who do not understand the > allegorical nature of biblical scriptures. Some of > them mean well but make such a mess of things because > they do not understand. > > Yet, the next moment always holds the possibility of > understanding... > > Noel :-) Oh yea! PRAISE and HALLELULIA! For mine eyes have seen ther GLORY of the coming of the 'UNDERSTANDING! For mine " I " has been SURRENDERED! I AM NOW........ALL things!.....and 'stages', 'phases', 'levels',no longer pertain......for I AM THAT...........praise jesus! .......bob > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2006 Report Share Posted September 4, 2006 Nisargadatta , Noel <noel_beau wrote: > > > > --- dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > > ok....i have no idea in how far you feel to be in or > > out of > > delusion/illusion..... > > > > sorry for the words which caused confusion..... > > > > > I was not offended, in case you thought I might have > been. The wonder is when communication is not > confused *Sometimes*, I think it is worth going > through the confusion to experience the moments when > it is not confused, or at least does not seem to be. > good > > > > > > > the subject " the end of delusion " ....is an > > interesting subject....and > > i still feel good with the main statement of " the > > end of delusion " i > > made > > > Is it this one: yes > > > the end of delusion is the end of being > body-mind-intellect the end of delusion is the > beginning of a never ending ocean discovering > Itself...in a dream which is witnessed by infinite > being > > > Marc > > > yessssssssssssss... > > > > > > > some parrots in here....who reflect mostly the > > books/theories/concepts....they are involved > > in....... > > have sometimes much problems to > > write....realy....something about > > themself...... > > > > and sure ....there are entities who don't believe in > > " illusion " ...and > > therefore also don't believe in " delusion " ........ > > > > it seem that times become hard in here....reading > > that " brains " > > already left....... > > > > Let's remember it was not they who stated they left, > or for what reason. Perhaps, they have only taken a > rest from the list and will return. It is good to > take a rest, to be quiet sometimes. yes....it is good to take a rest...sometimes in reality....what could be realy there.....what is it what could be missed.....? what could be the reason of writing/exchange some words.....some bubbles/love.......except to enter into a nice world/dream/bubble/illusion/duality > > > > > > > > maybe there are " other nice places " where they can > > continue with > > intellectual expeditions..... > > > > where they can make themself ridiculoes.....again > > and again.... > > > > > > who knows....and care... > > > > > > Marc > > > > People are all at different stages, phases, > levels...this makes it difficult to communicate. I > think sometimes Nisargadatta's (and many others') > words are taken too literally. It is like the > fundamentalist christians who do not understand the > allegorical nature of biblical scriptures. Some of > them mean well but make such a mess of things because > they do not understand. > > Yet, the next moment always holds the possibility of > understanding... > yes.....agree with your words.... but whenever and whoever practice some meditation..... " understand " better all this scriptures....because It is felt deeply.....and " vibrate deeply " ....within oneself..... sometimes i think that people who have restless mind.......and are too much concerned about/with themself....with their ego.... can't realy deeply meditate..... because meditation is offering/giving up....this little ego/bubble....with love......and entering into " reality " ..... this " reality " isn't anymore much related to worldly emotions.....to attachments....... no words about......and also no to find in nice books.... Marc > Noel > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2006 Report Share Posted September 4, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Noel <noel_beau@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > ok....i have no idea in how far you feel to be in or > > > out of > > > delusion/illusion..... > > > > > > sorry for the words which caused confusion..... > > > > > > > > > > I was not offended, in case you thought I might have > > been. The wonder is when communication is not > > confused *Sometimes*, I think it is worth going > > through the confusion to experience the moments when > > it is not confused, or at least does not seem to be. > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > > the subject " the end of delusion " ....is an > > > interesting subject....and > > > i still feel good with the main statement of " the > > > end of delusion " i > > > made > > > > > > Is it this one: > > > yes > > > > > the end of delusion is the end of being > > body-mind-intellect the end of delusion is the > > beginning of a never ending ocean discovering > > Itself...in a dream which is witnessed by infinite > > being > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > yessssssssssssss... > > > > > > > > > > > > some parrots in here....who reflect mostly the > > > books/theories/concepts....they are involved > > > in....... > > > have sometimes much problems to > > > write....realy....something about > > > themself...... > > > > > > and sure ....there are entities who don't believe in > > > " illusion " ...and > > > therefore also don't believe in " delusion " ........ > > > > > > it seem that times become hard in here....reading > > > that " brains " > > > already left....... > > > > > > > > Let's remember it was not they who stated they left, > > or for what reason. Perhaps, they have only taken a > > rest from the list and will return. It is good to > > take a rest, to be quiet sometimes. > > > yes....it is good to take a rest...sometimes > > in reality....what could be realy there.....what is it what could be > missed.....? > what could be the reason of writing/exchange some words.....some > bubbles/love.......except to enter into a nice > world/dream/bubble/illusion/duality In the deepest sense, in the deepest truth of our being, once we have experienced seeing the falseness of ourselves and lived through the dark night of the soul, we understand what life is. We have become its truth, and with that knowing, we have no choice but to live as though we mattered. How? By touching one another as deeply and as lovingly as possible. With these words from our heart. With words that speak of love. Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maybe there are " other nice places " where they can > > > continue with > > > intellectual expeditions..... > > > > > > where they can make themself ridiculoes.....again > > > and again.... > > > > > > > > > who knows....and care... > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > People are all at different stages, phases, > > levels...this makes it difficult to communicate. I > > think sometimes Nisargadatta's (and many others') > > words are taken too literally. It is like the > > fundamentalist christians who do not understand the > > allegorical nature of biblical scriptures. Some of > > them mean well but make such a mess of things because > > they do not understand. > > > > Yet, the next moment always holds the possibility of > > understanding... > > > > yes.....agree with your words.... > > but whenever and whoever practice some meditation..... " understand " > better all this scriptures....because It is felt > deeply.....and " vibrate deeply " ....within oneself..... > > sometimes i think that people who have restless mind.......and are > too much concerned about/with themself....with their ego.... > > can't realy deeply meditate..... > > because meditation is offering/giving up....this little > ego/bubble....with love......and entering into " reality " ..... > > this " reality " isn't anymore much related to worldly emotions.....to > attachments....... > > no words about......and also no to find in nice books.... > > Marc > > > > Noel > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2006 Report Share Posted September 4, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , Noel <noel_beau@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > ok....i have no idea in how far you feel to be in or > > > > out of > > > > delusion/illusion..... > > > > > > > > sorry for the words which caused confusion..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not offended, in case you thought I might have > > > been. The wonder is when communication is not > > > confused *Sometimes*, I think it is worth going > > > through the confusion to experience the moments when > > > it is not confused, or at least does not seem to be. > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the subject " the end of delusion " ....is an > > > > interesting subject....and > > > > i still feel good with the main statement of " the > > > > end of delusion " i > > > > made > > > > > > > > > Is it this one: > > > > > > yes > > > > > > > the end of delusion is the end of being > > > body-mind-intellect the end of delusion is the > > > beginning of a never ending ocean discovering > > > Itself...in a dream which is witnessed by infinite > > > being > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > yessssssssssssss... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some parrots in here....who reflect mostly the > > > > books/theories/concepts....they are involved > > > > in....... > > > > have sometimes much problems to > > > > write....realy....something about > > > > themself...... > > > > > > > > and sure ....there are entities who don't believe in > > > > " illusion " ...and > > > > therefore also don't believe in " delusion " ........ > > > > > > > > it seem that times become hard in here....reading > > > > that " brains " > > > > already left....... > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's remember it was not they who stated they left, > > > or for what reason. Perhaps, they have only taken a > > > rest from the list and will return. It is good to > > > take a rest, to be quiet sometimes. > > > > > > yes....it is good to take a rest...sometimes > > > > in reality....what could be realy there.....what is it what could > be > > missed.....? > > what could be the reason of writing/exchange some words.....some > > bubbles/love.......except to enter into a nice > > world/dream/bubble/illusion/duality > > > > In the deepest sense, in the deepest truth of our being, once > we have experienced seeing the falseness of ourselves and lived > through the dark night of the soul, we understand what life is. > > We have become its truth, and with that knowing, we have no choice > but to live as though we mattered. How? By touching one another as > deeply and as lovingly as possible. With these words from our heart. > > With words that speak of love. > > > Anna ....here and now... the one who " understand what life is " .....don't see anything else than this ...love.... there is nobody anymore who could have the choice to enter into the world.....without love the one who has no choice....is leaded by love/God..... the one who woke up......is leaded by him/herSelf Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maybe there are " other nice places " where they can > > > > continue with > > > > intellectual expeditions..... > > > > > > > > where they can make themself ridiculoes.....again > > > > and again.... > > > > > > > > > > > > who knows....and care... > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > People are all at different stages, phases, > > > levels...this makes it difficult to communicate. I > > > think sometimes Nisargadatta's (and many others') > > > words are taken too literally. It is like the > > > fundamentalist christians who do not understand the > > > allegorical nature of biblical scriptures. Some of > > > them mean well but make such a mess of things because > > > they do not understand. > > > > > > Yet, the next moment always holds the possibility of > > > understanding... > > > > > > > yes.....agree with your words.... > > > > but whenever and whoever practice some meditation..... " understand " > > better all this scriptures....because It is felt > > deeply.....and " vibrate deeply " ....within oneself..... > > > > sometimes i think that people who have restless mind.......and are > > too much concerned about/with themself....with their ego.... > > > > can't realy deeply meditate..... > > > > because meditation is offering/giving up....this little > > ego/bubble....with love......and entering into " reality " ..... > > > > this " reality " isn't anymore much related to worldly > emotions.....to > > attachments....... > > > > no words about......and also no to find in nice books.... > > > > Marc > > > > > > > Noel > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2006 Report Share Posted September 4, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , Noel <noel_beau@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > ok....i have no idea in how far you feel to be in or > > > > out of > > > > delusion/illusion..... > > > > > > > > sorry for the words which caused confusion..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not offended, in case you thought I might have > > > been. The wonder is when communication is not > > > confused *Sometimes*, I think it is worth going > > > through the confusion to experience the moments when > > > it is not confused, or at least does not seem to be. > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the subject " the end of delusion " ....is an > > > > interesting subject....and > > > > i still feel good with the main statement of " the > > > > end of delusion " i > > > > made > > > > > > > > > Is it this one: > > > > > > yes > > > > > > > the end of delusion is the end of being > > > body-mind-intellect the end of delusion is the > > > beginning of a never ending ocean discovering > > > Itself...in a dream which is witnessed by infinite > > > being > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > yessssssssssssss... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some parrots in here....who reflect mostly the > > > > books/theories/concepts....they are involved > > > > in....... > > > > have sometimes much problems to > > > > write....realy....something about > > > > themself...... > > > > > > > > and sure ....there are entities who don't believe in > > > > " illusion " ...and > > > > therefore also don't believe in " delusion " ........ > > > > > > > > it seem that times become hard in here....reading > > > > that " brains " > > > > already left....... > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's remember it was not they who stated they left, > > > or for what reason. Perhaps, they have only taken a > > > rest from the list and will return. It is good to > > > take a rest, to be quiet sometimes. > > > > > > yes....it is good to take a rest...sometimes > > > > in reality....what could be realy there.....what is it what could > be > > missed.....? > > what could be the reason of writing/exchange some words.....some > > bubbles/love.......except to enter into a nice > > world/dream/bubble/illusion/duality > > > > In the deepest sense, in the deepest truth of our being, once > we have experienced seeing the falseness of ourselves and lived > through the dark night of the soul, we understand what life is. > > We have become its truth, and with that knowing, we have no choice > but to live as though we mattered. How? By touching one another as > deeply and as lovingly as possible. With these words from our heart. > > With words that speak of love. > > > Anna > > Mystification, Anna? And when you're angry, Anna? And when you're feeling malicious, Anna? And when you're feeling greed, lust or fear, Anna? What do you, Anna, do? Just tune out? Or express it? Too hollow, Anna. And if that is love, What's the difference Between before and after this dramatic change you speak of? " Before enlightenment, fetch water, chop wood, after enlightenment, fetch water, chop wood " ? Too hollow, Anna. And since you're beyond dialog, Anna: Love is not beyond dialog. Beyond dialog is only Mystification. And mystification is a form of Deception (anger, vengeance, alienation) I invite you to get real and show what love is: not the ego you so proudly proclaim. For me, love is warm not remote, gentle, not explosive and exhibitionistic. Sky > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maybe there are " other nice places " where they can > > > > continue with > > > > intellectual expeditions..... > > > > > > > > where they can make themself ridiculoes.....again > > > > and again.... > > > > > > > > > > > > who knows....and care... > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > People are all at different stages, phases, > > > levels...this makes it difficult to communicate. I > > > think sometimes Nisargadatta's (and many others') > > > words are taken too literally. It is like the > > > fundamentalist christians who do not understand the > > > allegorical nature of biblical scriptures. Some of > > > them mean well but make such a mess of things because > > > they do not understand. > > > > > > Yet, the next moment always holds the possibility of > > > understanding... > > > > > > > yes.....agree with your words.... > > > > but whenever and whoever practice some meditation..... " understand " > > better all this scriptures....because It is felt > > deeply.....and " vibrate deeply " ....within oneself..... > > > > sometimes i think that people who have restless mind.......and are > > too much concerned about/with themself....with their ego.... > > > > can't realy deeply meditate..... > > > > because meditation is offering/giving up....this little > > ego/bubble....with love......and entering into " reality " ..... > > > > this " reality " isn't anymore much related to worldly > emotions.....to > > attachments....... > > > > no words about......and also no to find in nice books.... > > > > Marc > > > > > > > Noel > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2006 Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 --- dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33 wrote: > Nisargadatta , Noel > <noel_beau wrote: > > > > > the subject " the end of delusion " ....is an > > > interesting subject....and > > > i still feel good with the main statement of > " the > > > end of delusion " i > > > made > > > > > > Is it this one: > > > yes > > > > > the end of delusion is the end of being > > body-mind-intellect the end of delusion is the > > beginning of a never ending ocean discovering > > Itself...in a dream which is witnessed by infinite > > being > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > yessssssssssssss... > > > > yes....it is good to take a rest...sometimes > > in reality....what could be realy there.....what is > it what could be > missed.....? It seems to me if I miss anything it is when I am doing *this*. That is, writing words...but... > what could be the reason of writing/exchange some > words.....some > bubbles/love.......except to enter into a nice > world/dream/bubble/illusion/duality Many reasons. People tend to have delusions of preference. Sometimes interacting may dispel them. For example if I prefer the delusion that people are really nice, kind, and loving, a day on the Nisargadatta list will soon relieve me of that delusion > whenever and whoever practice some > meditation..... " understand " > better all this scriptures....because It is felt > deeply.....and " vibrate deeply " ....within > oneself..... Yes and to write this, I think you have experienced it. All that passes for meditation, however, is not meditation. Some of the descriptions of meditation I have read or heard seem to me to be delusional-trance states, not meditation. > > sometimes i think that people who have restless > mind.......and are > too much concerned about/with themself....with their > ego.... > > can't realy deeply meditate..... Or, meditate at all. There are these other practices described as meditation, though. And, oh, so many selling their techniques to themselves and others. > > because meditation is offering/giving up....this > little > ego/bubble....with love......and entering into > " reality " ..... > > this " reality " isn't anymore much related to worldly > emotions.....to > attachments....... > > no words about......and also no to find in nice > books.... > > Marc Yes. Noel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2006 Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 > > > > > > yes....it is good to take a rest...sometimes > > > > in reality....what could be realy there.....what is > > it what could be > > missed.....? > > > > > It seems to me if I miss anything it is when I am > doing *this*. That is, writing words...but... " to be...is to don't think... " ....(heard this somewhere recently) doing *this* ...is done without many thoughts i suppose > > > > > > > what could be the reason of writing/exchange some > > words.....some > > bubbles/love.......except to enter into a nice > > world/dream/bubble/illusion/duality > > > > > Many reasons. People tend to have delusions of > preference. Sometimes interacting may dispel them. > For example if I prefer the delusion that people are > really nice, kind, and loving, a day on the > Nisargadatta list will soon relieve me of that > delusion people are really nice, kind and loving....always.... (i mean, at least during deep sleep....) > > > whenever and whoever practice some > > meditation..... " understand " > > better all this scriptures....because It is felt > > deeply.....and " vibrate deeply " ....within > > oneself..... > > > > > Yes and to write this, I think you have experienced > it. > > All that passes for meditation, however, is not > meditation. Some of the descriptions of meditation I > have read or heard seem to me to be delusional-trance > states, not meditation. > > > Osho made once a nice defination of " meditation " : " meditation is a very sudden waking up " > > > > > > sometimes i think that people who have restless > > mind.......and are > > too much concerned about/with themself....with their > > ego.... > > > > can't realy deeply meditate..... > > > > > Or, meditate at all. There are these other practices > described as meditation, though. And, oh, so many > selling their techniques to themselves and others. > > oh yes.....spirituality is also of fantastic business....in the funny world.....with funny people....and fabuloes emotions.... > > > >Marc > > > > Noel > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2006 Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 --- dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33 wrote: what could be > > > missed.....? > > > > > > > > > > It seems to me if I miss anything it is when I am > > doing *this*. That is, writing words...but... > > > " to be...is to don't think... " ....(heard this > somewhere recently) Maybe this is just about language, Marc, in terms of our discussing here. I think you will understand when I write: 'don't' takes effort. Nisargadatta does suggest that for beginners determination is required. Perhaps, some must begin with 'don't think'. If approached in this way, however, it seems one must be careful not to become stuck in an 'effort' to 'not think'. > > doing *this* ...is done without many thoughts i > suppose > > For some maybe. For others lots of thought with no content. Yet, others that seem to have tapes of what they will write. You know like pre-recorded messages. At this point I view thought as a tool. As long as I am on this planet it seems now (though I am open to being wrong) I will always need to use thought to some extent. It seems to me there is a vast difference between using thought and being used by it. Making the switch may be likened to being swept off a noisy super highway in a cyclone and landing on a quiet country road. One can still see the super highway but not be impacted by all the noise and chaotic energy of it. > > > > > > > > > > > what could be the reason of writing/exchange > some > > > words.....some > > > bubbles/love.......except to enter into a nice > > > world/dream/bubble/illusion/duality > > > > > > > > > > Many reasons. People tend to have delusions of > > preference. Sometimes interacting may dispel > them. > > For example if I prefer the delusion that people > are > > really nice, kind, and loving, a day on the > > Nisargadatta list will soon relieve me of that > > delusion > > > people are really nice, kind and > loving....always.... > (i mean, at least during deep sleep....) > The question is when are people awake? If you have not already done so and if you have the time or inclination find a place to sit on a busy walkway and watch as people pass by. I mean really look at them with focussed attention. You will see many machines, many sleep-walkers... > > Osho made once a nice defination of " meditation " : > " meditation is a very sudden waking up " I like that. I did not study Osho. I saw a picture of him once and he appeared to be having quite a good time Please Osho haters do not take this opportunity to tell us what was wrong with Osho. Thank you. > > oh yes.....spirituality is also of fantastic > business....in the > funny world.....with funny people....and fabuloes > emotions.... > > > > > > >Marc It can be amusing...theater... I heard this recently, sorry I do not know who to quote: The Universe has no edge and no center. Noel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , Noel <noel_beau wrote: > > > > --- dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > what could be > > > > missed.....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems to me if I miss anything it is when I am > > > doing *this*. That is, writing words...but... > > > > > > " to be...is to don't think... " ....(heard this > > somewhere recently) > > > > > Maybe this is just about language, Marc, in terms of > our discussing here. I think you will understand when > I write: 'don't' takes effort. > > Nisargadatta does suggest that for beginners > determination is required. Perhaps, some must begin > with 'don't think'. > > If approached in this way, however, it seems one must > be careful not to become stuck in an 'effort' to 'not > think'. yes....it take no effort when there are no thoughts... the effort...trying to cut the thoughts.....is of wasting/spending some time.... (it's like driving full speed with a car....trying with much effort....to don't cause an accident.......instead to stop the car....get out of it....and have a peaceful walk.....) you talk about " determination " .....yes...it's necessary to " focuse " the mind (thoughts) on " something " ....in order to calm down the thoughts.....when there are too many many techniques existing to get this " determination " ....(to go behind mind) but i think....thats not of subject on this list > > > > > > > doing *this* ...is done without many thoughts i > > suppose > > > > > > > For some maybe. For others lots of thought with no > content. Yet, others that seem to have tapes of what > they will write. You know like pre-recorded messages. > > At this point I view thought as a tool. As long as I > am on this planet it seems now (though I am open to > being wrong) I will always need to use thought to some > extent. > > It seems to me there is a vast difference between > using thought and being used by it. Making the switch > may be likened to being swept off a noisy super > highway in a cyclone and landing on a quiet country > road. One can still see the super highway but not be > impacted by all the noise and chaotic energy of it. > > > yes...... " It seems to me there is a vast difference between > using thought and being used by it. " ....nice words some people give a " reason/meaning " to every thoughts....and so....even don't try to slow down the thoughts/mind/world..... this is like someone seeing no problems....after having had 27 accidents......because he/she Know/Understand the " reason " of all this accidents > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what could be the reason of writing/exchange > > some > > > > words.....some > > > > bubbles/love.......except to enter into a nice > > > > world/dream/bubble/illusion/duality > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many reasons. People tend to have delusions of > > > preference. Sometimes interacting may dispel > > them. > > > For example if I prefer the delusion that people > > are > > > really nice, kind, and loving, a day on the > > > Nisargadatta list will soon relieve me of that > > > delusion > > > > > > people are really nice, kind and > > loving....always.... > > (i mean, at least during deep sleep....) > > > > > > > The question is when are people awake? > > If you have not already done so and if you have the > time or inclination find a place to sit on a busy > walkway and watch as people pass by. I mean really > look at them with focussed attention. You will see > many machines, many sleep-walkers... whenever the mind is calm..... whenever there is awareness.... whenever one is awake..... then, yes....it's possible to " see " all this nice and funny " machines " ..... > > > > > > Osho made once a nice defination of " meditation " : > > " meditation is a very sudden waking up " > > > > I like that. > > I did not study Osho. I saw a picture of him once and > he appeared to be having quite a good time > > Please Osho haters do not take this opportunity to > tell us what was wrong with Osho. Thank you. yes....i think Osho spent a quite time.....in the middle of this funny world > > > > > > > > oh yes.....spirituality is also of fantastic > > business....in the > > funny world.....with funny people....and fabuloes > > emotions.... > > > > > > > > > >Marc > > > It can be amusing...theater... > > I heard this recently, sorry I do not know who to > quote: > > The Universe has no edge and no center. the " universe " .... " edges " ..... " centers " ..... are of nice mind-constructions...... see you within nothingness......wherever....however....whenever.... Marc > > Noel > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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