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Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart

wrote:

>

> > > ......understanding

> > > is a perfect snowflake

> > > melting.....

> > >

> > > YIL,

> > > Anna

> > >

> >

> > Understanding is like a carrot,

> > Hoping one day you might get it right.

> >

>

> two very different notions of understanding.

>

> a reminder that a particular word does not

> have a particular meaning.

>

> words are like clay... you can make things

> out of them.

>

> Bill

>

....a virus?

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@>

> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 "

> > > > <kailashana@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan "

> > > <yohansky@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 "

> > > > > > > <kailashana@>

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart "

> > > > > > > > > <pliantheart@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

Nisargadatta , " Stefan "

> > > > > > > > > <s.petersilge@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> " I hope for nothing. I fear nothing. I

am

> > > > free. "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for posting these quotes...

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > this above one is written on his grave.

> > > > Kazantzakis

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > > buried on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the city wall of Heraklion, his birth

town,

> > > after

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > Christian

> > > > > > > > > > > > church

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > had refused to give him a place on an

> > official

> > > > > > > graveyard.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I often think about this quote, which

> sounds

> > so

> > > > > nice

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > romantic at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the first moment but can demand literally

> > > > > everything

> > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > taken

> > > > > > > > > > > > seriously.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the best quotes in general seem to be like

> that,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > very easy to go ya-ya-great-quote and skip

> on...

> > > > > > > > > > > > > when in truth one could spend a day and

still

> > > > > > > > > > > > > not digest it.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think... hope and fear are the two

sides

> of

> > > > that

> > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > coin

> > > > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > keeps us in bondage. We cannot be free of

> > fear

> > > > and

> > > > > > > still

> > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > hopes.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are not free until we get rid of the

> whole

> > > > coin.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stefan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dearest Bill and Stefan,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > imo, it takes a lifetime to understand

> > > understanding

> > > > > and

> > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > never 'free' while trying to 'rid' ourselves

of

> > > hope

> > > > or

> > > > > > > fear.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Love is one side of the coin the other is

> fear.

> > > Hope

> > > > > is

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > hand

> > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > tosses the coin.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Freedom comes at a great price: to allow

> > ourselves

> > > to

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > lost

> > > > > > > > > > again

> > > > > > > > > > > > and again in this Dance of Life, only to

> reawaken

> > > > when

> > > > > > > > another

> > > > > > > > > > song

> > > > > > > > > > > > ends.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ......understanding

> > > > > > > > > > > > is a perfect snowflake

> > > > > > > > > > > > melting.....

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > YIL,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Anna

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Understanding is like a carrot,

> > > > > > > > > > > Hoping one day you might get it right.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > understanding is another.....nice dream....

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > this much is true for me, this much I have

realized:

> > > (Made

> > > > > > real)

> > > > > > > > > the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as Anna as long as

the

> > > > dreamer

> > > > > > > exists,

> > > > > > > > > understanding ever more aspects of 'dreaming' and

> > > > the 'dream'.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The dream of separation, however has been seen to

its

> > > > logical

> > > > > > > > > conclusion.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > a.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > don't know if i understand/see what you mean

with .....

> > > > > > > > " the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as Anna as long as the

> > > dreamer

> > > > > > > exists,

> > > > > > > > > understanding ever more aspects of 'dreaming' and

> > > > the 'dream' "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > sounds interesting

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > it let my think of the following statements:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " the dream of being " Marc " reawakens as long as the

> > > > > > dreamer " Marc "

> > > > > > > > exists "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > the " seperation " between real being (non-dreaming)

and

> > the

> > > > > dream-

> > > > > > > > being, i think.....is real therefore.....as long as

the

> > > dream-

> > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > exists

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > there is a difference between sleeping....and to be

> > > awake....

> > > > > > > > there is a difference too....between real

being....and

> > > dream-

> > > > > being

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > it's all about to find out.... " who/what " real being

> is....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > so the " dreamer " , who has no individual/seperated

> > > existence,

> > > > > > except

> > > > > > > > in the dream.....need to be identified as dreaming

> entity

> > > only

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > this is no big deal....because real being.....don't

let

> > > > > > > > anything/anybody " dream " .....for endless times....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " dream " exist because of real being.....

> > > > > > > > ...and also because of real being.... " dream "

> > disappear....*

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Marc

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > * like waves on the deep ocean.....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > moving....changing....transformed.....again and

again....

> > > > > > > coming and going....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > even if a " wave " understand the nature of the

ocean....it

> > > isn't

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > ocean......as long the " wave " is moving....like " waves "

> > do....

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If there was a wave that understands, how would one know

it?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > one would know it.....if one would consider oneself....as

an

> > > entity

> > > > > with " understanding "

> > > > >

> > > > > Marc

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > I'm sorry but I'm not that pretentious.

> > >

> > > :)

> > >

> > > yes....remind the message yesterday...

> > >

> > > " understanding is another....nice dream "

> > >

> > > so....i'm not that pretentious too...

> > >

> > > Marc

> > > >

> > >

> > It is said that there's no yesterday.

>

>

> ah....a freak of the fabuloes NOW....?....

>

> :)

> >

>

Maybe some time in future...

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Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 "

> > > > > <kailashana@>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan "

> > > > <yohansky@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 "

> > > > > > > > <kailashana@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart "

> > > > > > > > > > <pliantheart@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> Nisargadatta , " Stefan "

> > > > > > > > > > <s.petersilge@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> " I hope for nothing. I fear nothing.

I

> am

> > > > > free. "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for posting these quotes...

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this above one is written on his grave.

> > > > > Kazantzakis

> > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > > > buried on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the city wall of Heraklion, his birth

> town,

> > > > after

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > Christian

> > > > > > > > > > > > > church

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had refused to give him a place on an

> > > official

> > > > > > > > graveyard.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I often think about this quote, which

> > sounds

> > > so

> > > > > > nice

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > romantic at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the first moment but can demand

literally

> > > > > > everything

> > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > > taken

> > > > > > > > > > > > > seriously.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the best quotes in general seem to be

like

> > that,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > very easy to go ya-ya-great-quote and

skip

> > on...

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > when in truth one could spend a day and

> still

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not digest it.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think... hope and fear are the two

> sides

> > of

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > coin

> > > > > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > keeps us in bondage. We cannot be free

of

> > > fear

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > still

> > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > hopes.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are not free until we get rid of the

> > whole

> > > > > coin.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stefan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dearest Bill and Stefan,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > imo, it takes a lifetime to understand

> > > > understanding

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > never 'free' while trying to 'rid'

ourselves

> of

> > > > hope

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > > fear.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Love is one side of the coin the other is

> > fear.

> > > > Hope

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > hand

> > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > tosses the coin.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Freedom comes at a great price: to allow

> > > ourselves

> > > > to

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > lost

> > > > > > > > > > > again

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and again in this Dance of Life, only to

> > reawaken

> > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > another

> > > > > > > > > > > song

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ends.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ......understanding

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is a perfect snowflake

> > > > > > > > > > > > > melting.....

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > YIL,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Anna

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Understanding is like a carrot,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Hoping one day you might get it right.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > understanding is another.....nice dream....

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > this much is true for me, this much I have

> realized:

> > > > (Made

> > > > > > > real)

> > > > > > > > > > the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as Anna as long as

> the

> > > > > dreamer

> > > > > > > > exists,

> > > > > > > > > > understanding ever more aspects of 'dreaming' and

> > > > > the 'dream'.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The dream of separation, however has been seen to

> its

> > > > > logical

> > > > > > > > > > conclusion.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > a.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > don't know if i understand/see what you mean

> with .....

> > > > > > > > > " the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as Anna as long as

the

> > > > dreamer

> > > > > > > > exists,

> > > > > > > > > > understanding ever more aspects of 'dreaming' and

> > > > > the 'dream' "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > sounds interesting

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > it let my think of the following statements:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " the dream of being " Marc " reawakens as long as the

> > > > > > > dreamer " Marc "

> > > > > > > > > exists "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > the " seperation " between real being (non-dreaming)

> and

> > > the

> > > > > > dream-

> > > > > > > > > being, i think.....is real therefore.....as long as

> the

> > > > dream-

> > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > exists

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > there is a difference between sleeping....and to be

> > > > awake....

> > > > > > > > > there is a difference too....between real

> being....and

> > > > dream-

> > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > it's all about to find out.... " who/what " real being

> > is....

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > so the " dreamer " , who has no individual/seperated

> > > > existence,

> > > > > > > except

> > > > > > > > > in the dream.....need to be identified as dreaming

> > entity

> > > > only

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > this is no big deal....because real being.....don't

> let

> > > > > > > > > anything/anybody " dream " .....for endless times....

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " dream " exist because of real being.....

> > > > > > > > > ...and also because of real being.... " dream "

> > > disappear....*

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Marc

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > * like waves on the deep ocean.....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > moving....changing....transformed.....again and

> again....

> > > > > > > > coming and going....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > even if a " wave " understand the nature of the

> ocean....it

> > > > isn't

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > ocean......as long the " wave " is

moving....like " waves "

> > > do....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If there was a wave that understands, how would one

know

> it?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > one would know it.....if one would consider oneself....as

> an

> > > > entity

> > > > > > with " understanding "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Marc

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > I'm sorry but I'm not that pretentious.

> > > >

> > > > :)

> > > >

> > > > yes....remind the message yesterday...

> > > >

> > > > " understanding is another....nice dream "

> > > >

> > > > so....i'm not that pretentious too...

> > > >

> > > > Marc

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > It is said that there's no yesterday.

> >

> >

> > ah....a freak of the fabuloes NOW....?....

> >

> > :)

> > >

> >

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> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@>

> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan "

<yohansky@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 "

> > > > > > <kailashana@>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan "

> > > > > <yohansky@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 "

> > > > > > > > > <kailashana@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart "

> > > > > > > > > > > <pliantheart@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > Nisargadatta , " Stefan "

> > > > > > > > > > > <s.petersilge@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> " I hope for nothing. I fear

nothing.

> I

> > am

> > > > > > free. "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for posting these quotes...

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this above one is written on his

grave.

> > > > > > Kazantzakis

> > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > buried on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the city wall of Heraklion, his birth

> > town,

> > > > > after

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > Christian

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > church

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had refused to give him a place on an

> > > > official

> > > > > > > > > graveyard.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I often think about this quote, which

> > > sounds

> > > > so

> > > > > > > nice

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > romantic at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the first moment but can demand

> literally

> > > > > > > everything

> > > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > > > taken

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > seriously.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the best quotes in general seem to be

> like

> > > that,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very easy to go ya-ya-great-quote and

> skip

> > > on...

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when in truth one could spend a day and

> > still

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not digest it.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think... hope and fear are the two

> > sides

> > > of

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > coin

> > > > > > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > keeps us in bondage. We cannot be

free

> of

> > > > fear

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > still

> > > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > hopes.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are not free until we get rid of

the

> > > whole

> > > > > > coin.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stefan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dearest Bill and Stefan,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > imo, it takes a lifetime to understand

> > > > > understanding

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > never 'free' while trying to 'rid'

> ourselves

> > of

> > > > > hope

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > fear.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love is one side of the coin the other is

> > > fear.

> > > > > Hope

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > hand

> > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > tosses the coin.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Freedom comes at a great price: to allow

> > > > ourselves

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > lost

> > > > > > > > > > > > again

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and again in this Dance of Life, only to

> > > reawaken

> > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > another

> > > > > > > > > > > > song

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ends.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ......understanding

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a perfect snowflake

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > melting.....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > YIL,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Understanding is like a carrot,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hoping one day you might get it right.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > understanding is another.....nice dream....

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > this much is true for me, this much I have

> > realized:

> > > > > (Made

> > > > > > > > real)

> > > > > > > > > > > the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as Anna as long

as

> > the

> > > > > > dreamer

> > > > > > > > > exists,

> > > > > > > > > > > understanding ever more aspects of 'dreaming'

and

> > > > > > the 'dream'.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The dream of separation, however has been seen

to

> > its

> > > > > > logical

> > > > > > > > > > > conclusion.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > a.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > don't know if i understand/see what you mean

> > with .....

> > > > > > > > > > " the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as Anna as long as

> the

> > > > > dreamer

> > > > > > > > > exists,

> > > > > > > > > > > understanding ever more aspects of 'dreaming'

and

> > > > > > the 'dream' "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > sounds interesting

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > it let my think of the following statements:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " the dream of being " Marc " reawakens as long as

the

> > > > > > > > dreamer " Marc "

> > > > > > > > > > exists "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > the " seperation " between real being (non-

dreaming)

> > and

> > > > the

> > > > > > > dream-

> > > > > > > > > > being, i think.....is real therefore.....as long

as

> > the

> > > > > dream-

> > > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > exists

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > there is a difference between sleeping....and to

be

> > > > > awake....

> > > > > > > > > > there is a difference too....between real

> > being....and

> > > > > dream-

> > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > it's all about to find out.... " who/what " real

being

> > > is....

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > so the " dreamer " , who has no individual/seperated

> > > > > existence,

> > > > > > > > except

> > > > > > > > > > in the dream.....need to be identified as

dreaming

> > > entity

> > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > this is no big deal....because real

being.....don't

> > let

> > > > > > > > > > anything/anybody " dream " .....for endless times....

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " dream " exist because of real being.....

> > > > > > > > > > ...and also because of real being.... " dream "

> > > > disappear....*

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Marc

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > * like waves on the deep ocean.....

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > moving....changing....transformed.....again and

> > again....

> > > > > > > > > coming and going....

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > even if a " wave " understand the nature of the

> > ocean....it

> > > > > isn't

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > ocean......as long the " wave " is

> moving....like " waves "

> > > > do....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If there was a wave that understands, how would one

> know

> > it?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > one would know it.....if one would consider

oneself....as

> > an

> > > > > entity

> > > > > > > with " understanding "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Marc

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > I'm sorry but I'm not that pretentious.

> > > > >

> > > > > :)

> > > > >

> > > > > yes....remind the message yesterday...

> > > > >

> > > > > " understanding is another....nice dream "

> > > > >

> > > > > so....i'm not that pretentious too...

> > > > >

> > > > > Marc

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > It is said that there's no yesterday.

> > >

> > >

> > > ah....a freak of the fabuloes NOW....?....

> > >

> > > :)

> > > >

> > >

> > Maybe some time in future...

>

>

> it is said that future is Now....

>

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> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan "

> <yohansky@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 "

> > > > > > > <kailashana@>

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

Nisargadatta , " Johan "

> > > > > > <yohansky@>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 "

> > > > > > > > > > <kailashana@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <pliantheart@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <s.petersilge@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> " I hope for nothing. I fear

> nothing.

> > I

> > > am

> > > > > > > free. "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for posting these quotes...

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this above one is written on his

> grave.

> > > > > > > Kazantzakis

> > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > buried on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the city wall of Heraklion, his

birth

> > > town,

> > > > > > after

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Christian

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > church

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had refused to give him a place on

an

> > > > > official

> > > > > > > > > > graveyard.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I often think about this quote,

which

> > > > sounds

> > > > > so

> > > > > > > > nice

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > romantic at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the first moment but can demand

> > literally

> > > > > > > > everything

> > > > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > > > > taken

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seriously.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the best quotes in general seem to be

> > like

> > > > that,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very easy to go ya-ya-great-quote and

> > skip

> > > > on...

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when in truth one could spend a day

and

> > > still

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not digest it.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think... hope and fear are the

two

> > > sides

> > > > of

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > > coin

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > keeps us in bondage. We cannot be

> free

> > of

> > > > > fear

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > still

> > > > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hopes.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are not free until we get rid of

> the

> > > > whole

> > > > > > > coin.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stefan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dearest Bill and Stefan,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > imo, it takes a lifetime to understand

> > > > > > understanding

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never 'free' while trying to 'rid'

> > ourselves

> > > of

> > > > > > hope

> > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > fear.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love is one side of the coin the other

is

> > > > fear.

> > > > > > Hope

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > hand

> > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tosses the coin.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Freedom comes at a great price: to

allow

> > > > > ourselves

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > lost

> > > > > > > > > > > > > again

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and again in this Dance of Life, only

to

> > > > reawaken

> > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > > another

> > > > > > > > > > > > > song

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ends.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ......understanding

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a perfect snowflake

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > melting.....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > YIL,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Understanding is like a carrot,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hoping one day you might get it right.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > understanding is another.....nice dream....

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > this much is true for me, this much I have

> > > realized:

> > > > > > (Made

> > > > > > > > > real)

> > > > > > > > > > > > the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as Anna as long

> as

> > > the

> > > > > > > dreamer

> > > > > > > > > > exists,

> > > > > > > > > > > > understanding ever more aspects of 'dreaming'

> and

> > > > > > > the 'dream'.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The dream of separation, however has been

seen

> to

> > > its

> > > > > > > logical

> > > > > > > > > > > > conclusion.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > a.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > don't know if i understand/see what you mean

> > > with .....

> > > > > > > > > > > " the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as Anna as long

as

> > the

> > > > > > dreamer

> > > > > > > > > > exists,

> > > > > > > > > > > > understanding ever more aspects of 'dreaming'

> and

> > > > > > > the 'dream' "

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > sounds interesting

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > it let my think of the following statements:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > " the dream of being " Marc " reawakens as long as

> the

> > > > > > > > > dreamer " Marc "

> > > > > > > > > > > exists "

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > the " seperation " between real being (non-

> dreaming)

> > > and

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > dream-

> > > > > > > > > > > being, i think.....is real therefore.....as

long

> as

> > > the

> > > > > > dream-

> > > > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > > exists

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > there is a difference between sleeping....and

to

> be

> > > > > > awake....

> > > > > > > > > > > there is a difference too....between real

> > > being....and

> > > > > > dream-

> > > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > it's all about to find out.... " who/what " real

> being

> > > > is....

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > so the " dreamer " , who has no

individual/seperated

> > > > > > existence,

> > > > > > > > > except

> > > > > > > > > > > in the dream.....need to be identified as

> dreaming

> > > > entity

> > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > this is no big deal....because real

> being.....don't

> > > let

> > > > > > > > > > > anything/anybody " dream " .....for endless

times....

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > " dream " exist because of real being.....

> > > > > > > > > > > ...and also because of real being.... " dream "

> > > > > disappear....*

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Marc

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > * like waves on the deep ocean.....

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > moving....changing....transformed.....again and

> > > again....

> > > > > > > > > > coming and going....

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > even if a " wave " understand the nature of the

> > > ocean....it

> > > > > > isn't

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > ocean......as long the " wave " is

> > moving....like " waves "

> > > > > do....

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If there was a wave that understands, how would one

> > know

> > > it?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > one would know it.....if one would consider

> oneself....as

> > > an

> > > > > > entity

> > > > > > > > with " understanding "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Marc

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I'm sorry but I'm not that pretentious.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > :)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > yes....remind the message yesterday...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " understanding is another....nice dream "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > so....i'm not that pretentious too...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Marc

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > It is said that there's no yesterday.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ah....a freak of the fabuloes NOW....?....

> > > >

> > > > :)

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > Maybe some time in future...

> >

> >

> > it is said that future is Now....

> >

> Oh

>

 

Oh?.......No!

 

what time of day does 'Now' show up? or is 'Now' a night time event?

Now don't keep me waiting in the future past of this message. I'm

going to hit send at any moment and we're burning daylight

here........and 'Now', whenever it gets here. Now, Now.....I'm not

trying to reach into the past of this discussion, I want an answer

sometime in the future, when this is past, as to Now. OK? Nowadays,

everybody wants everything immediately, in the present of real

time.......me too......but where is 'Now' ever, or never, or forever,

found.....what's it founded upon.......and why?

 

..bob

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> Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@>

> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan "

<yohansky@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan "

> > <yohansky@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 "

> > > > > > > > <kailashana@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> Nisargadatta , " Johan "

> > > > > > > <yohansky@>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 "

> > > > > > > > > > > <kailashana@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <pliantheart@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <s.petersilge@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> " I hope for nothing. I fear

> > nothing.

> > > I

> > > > am

> > > > > > > > free. "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for posting these quotes...

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this above one is written on his

> > grave.

> > > > > > > > Kazantzakis

> > > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > buried on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the city wall of Heraklion, his

> birth

> > > > town,

> > > > > > > after

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Christian

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > church

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had refused to give him a place

on

> an

> > > > > > official

> > > > > > > > > > > graveyard.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I often think about this quote,

> which

> > > > > sounds

> > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > nice

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > romantic at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the first moment but can demand

> > > literally

> > > > > > > > > everything

> > > > > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > > > > > taken

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seriously.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the best quotes in general seem to

be

> > > like

> > > > > that,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very easy to go ya-ya-great-quote

and

> > > skip

> > > > > on...

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when in truth one could spend a day

> and

> > > > still

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not digest it.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think... hope and fear are the

> two

> > > > sides

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > > > coin

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > keeps us in bondage. We cannot be

> > free

> > > of

> > > > > > fear

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > still

> > > > > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hopes.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are not free until we get rid

of

> > the

> > > > > whole

> > > > > > > > coin.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stefan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dearest Bill and Stefan,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > imo, it takes a lifetime to

understand

> > > > > > > understanding

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never 'free' while trying to 'rid'

> > > ourselves

> > > > of

> > > > > > > hope

> > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > fear.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love is one side of the coin the

other

> is

> > > > > fear.

> > > > > > > Hope

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > hand

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tosses the coin.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Freedom comes at a great price: to

> allow

> > > > > > ourselves

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > lost

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > again

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and again in this Dance of Life, only

> to

> > > > > reawaken

> > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > > > another

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > song

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ends.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ......understanding

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a perfect snowflake

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > melting.....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > YIL,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Understanding is like a carrot,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hoping one day you might get it right.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > understanding is another.....nice

dream....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > this much is true for me, this much I have

> > > > realized:

> > > > > > > (Made

> > > > > > > > > > real)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as Anna as

long

> > as

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > dreamer

> > > > > > > > > > > exists,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > understanding ever more aspects

of 'dreaming'

> > and

> > > > > > > > the 'dream'.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > The dream of separation, however has been

> seen

> > to

> > > > its

> > > > > > > > logical

> > > > > > > > > > > > > conclusion.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > a.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > don't know if i understand/see what you mean

> > > > with .....

> > > > > > > > > > > > " the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as Anna as

long

> as

> > > the

> > > > > > > dreamer

> > > > > > > > > > > exists,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > understanding ever more aspects

of 'dreaming'

> > and

> > > > > > > > the 'dream' "

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > sounds interesting

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > it let my think of the following statements:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > " the dream of being " Marc " reawakens as long

as

> > the

> > > > > > > > > > dreamer " Marc "

> > > > > > > > > > > > exists "

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > the " seperation " between real being (non-

> > dreaming)

> > > > and

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > dream-

> > > > > > > > > > > > being, i think.....is real therefore.....as

> long

> > as

> > > > the

> > > > > > > dream-

> > > > > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > > > exists

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > there is a difference between sleeping....and

> to

> > be

> > > > > > > awake....

> > > > > > > > > > > > there is a difference too....between real

> > > > being....and

> > > > > > > dream-

> > > > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > it's all about to find out.... " who/what " real

> > being

> > > > > is....

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > so the " dreamer " , who has no

> individual/seperated

> > > > > > > existence,

> > > > > > > > > > except

> > > > > > > > > > > > in the dream.....need to be identified as

> > dreaming

> > > > > entity

> > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > this is no big deal....because real

> > being.....don't

> > > > let

> > > > > > > > > > > > anything/anybody " dream " .....for endless

> times....

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > " dream " exist because of real being.....

> > > > > > > > > > > > ...and also because of real being.... " dream "

> > > > > > disappear....*

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Marc

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > * like waves on the deep ocean.....

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > moving....changing....transformed.....again and

> > > > again....

> > > > > > > > > > > coming and going....

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > even if a " wave " understand the nature of the

> > > > ocean....it

> > > > > > > isn't

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > ocean......as long the " wave " is

> > > moving....like " waves "

> > > > > > do....

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If there was a wave that understands, how would

one

> > > know

> > > > it?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > one would know it.....if one would consider

> > oneself....as

> > > > an

> > > > > > > entity

> > > > > > > > > with " understanding "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Marc

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I'm sorry but I'm not that pretentious.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > :)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > yes....remind the message yesterday...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " understanding is another....nice dream "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > so....i'm not that pretentious too...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Marc

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > It is said that there's no yesterday.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ah....a freak of the fabuloes NOW....?....

> > > > >

> > > > > :)

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > Maybe some time in future...

> > >

> > >

> > > it is said that future is Now....

> > >

> > Oh

> >

>

> Oh?.......No!

>

> what time of day does 'Now' show up? or is 'Now' a night time

event?

> Now don't keep me waiting in the future past of this message. I'm

> going to hit send at any moment and we're burning daylight

> here........and 'Now', whenever it gets here. Now, Now.....I'm not

> trying to reach into the past of this discussion, I want an answer

> sometime in the future, when this is past, as to Now. OK? Nowadays,

> everybody wants everything immediately, in the present of real

> time.......me too......but where is 'Now' ever, or never, or

forever,

> found.....what's it founded upon.......and why?

>

> ..bob

> (in the past of this present time of your reading the above)

>

 

 

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> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan "

> <yohansky@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan "

> > > <yohansky@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 "

> > > > > > > > > <kailashana@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > Nisargadatta , " Johan "

> > > > > > > > <yohansky@>

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <kailashana@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <pliantheart@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <s.petersilge@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> " I hope for nothing. I fear

> > > nothing.

> > > > I

> > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > free. "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for posting these

quotes...

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this above one is written on

his

> > > grave.

> > > > > > > > > Kazantzakis

> > > > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > buried on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the city wall of Heraklion, his

> > birth

> > > > > town,

> > > > > > > > after

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Christian

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > church

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had refused to give him a place

> on

> > an

> > > > > > > official

> > > > > > > > > > > > graveyard.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I often think about this quote,

> > which

> > > > > > sounds

> > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > nice

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > romantic at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the first moment but can demand

> > > > literally

> > > > > > > > > > everything

> > > > > > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > taken

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seriously.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the best quotes in general seem

to

> be

> > > > like

> > > > > > that,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very easy to go ya-ya-great-quote

> and

> > > > skip

> > > > > > on...

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when in truth one could spend a

day

> > and

> > > > > still

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not digest it.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think... hope and fear are

the

> > two

> > > > > sides

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > coin

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > keeps us in bondage. We cannot

be

> > > free

> > > > of

> > > > > > > fear

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > still

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hopes.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are not free until we get

rid

> of

> > > the

> > > > > > whole

> > > > > > > > > coin.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stefan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dearest Bill and Stefan,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > imo, it takes a lifetime to

> understand

> > > > > > > > understanding

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never 'free' while trying to 'rid'

> > > > ourselves

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > hope

> > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > fear.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love is one side of the coin the

> other

> > is

> > > > > > fear.

> > > > > > > > Hope

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > hand

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tosses the coin.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Freedom comes at a great price: to

> > allow

> > > > > > > ourselves

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > lost

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > again

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and again in this Dance of Life,

only

> > to

> > > > > > reawaken

> > > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > > > > another

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > song

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ends.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ......understanding

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a perfect snowflake

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > melting.....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > YIL,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Understanding is like a carrot,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hoping one day you might get it right.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understanding is another.....nice

> dream....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > this much is true for me, this much I

have

> > > > > realized:

> > > > > > > > (Made

> > > > > > > > > > > real)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as Anna as

> long

> > > as

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > dreamer

> > > > > > > > > > > > exists,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > understanding ever more aspects

> of 'dreaming'

> > > and

> > > > > > > > > the 'dream'.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The dream of separation, however has been

> > seen

> > > to

> > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > logical

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > conclusion.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > don't know if i understand/see what you

mean

> > > > > with .....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > " the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as Anna as

> long

> > as

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > dreamer

> > > > > > > > > > > > exists,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > understanding ever more aspects

> of 'dreaming'

> > > and

> > > > > > > > > the 'dream' "

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > sounds interesting

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > it let my think of the following statements:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > " the dream of being " Marc " reawakens as

long

> as

> > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > dreamer " Marc "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > exists "

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the " seperation " between real being (non-

> > > dreaming)

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > dream-

> > > > > > > > > > > > > being, i think.....is real therefore.....as

> > long

> > > as

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > dream-

> > > > > > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > > > > exists

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > there is a difference between

sleeping....and

> > to

> > > be

> > > > > > > > awake....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > there is a difference too....between real

> > > > > being....and

> > > > > > > > dream-

> > > > > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > it's all about to find out.... " who/what "

real

> > > being

> > > > > > is....

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > so the " dreamer " , who has no

> > individual/seperated

> > > > > > > > existence,

> > > > > > > > > > > except

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in the dream.....need to be identified as

> > > dreaming

> > > > > > entity

> > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > this is no big deal....because real

> > > being.....don't

> > > > > let

> > > > > > > > > > > > > anything/anybody " dream " .....for endless

> > times....

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > " dream " exist because of real being.....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ...and also because of real

being.... " dream "

> > > > > > > disappear....*

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > * like waves on the deep ocean.....

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > moving....changing....transformed.....again

and

> > > > > again....

> > > > > > > > > > > > coming and going....

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > even if a " wave " understand the nature of the

> > > > > ocean....it

> > > > > > > > isn't

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > ocean......as long the " wave " is

> > > > moving....like " waves "

> > > > > > > do....

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If there was a wave that understands, how would

> one

> > > > know

> > > > > it?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > one would know it.....if one would consider

> > > oneself....as

> > > > > an

> > > > > > > > entity

> > > > > > > > > > with " understanding "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Marc

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I'm sorry but I'm not that pretentious.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > :)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > yes....remind the message yesterday...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " understanding is another....nice dream "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > so....i'm not that pretentious too...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Marc

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is said that there's no yesterday.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ah....a freak of the fabuloes NOW....?....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > :)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > Maybe some time in future...

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > it is said that future is Now....

> > > >

> > > Oh

> > >

> >

> > Oh?.......No!

> >

> > what time of day does 'Now' show up? or is 'Now' a night time

> event?

> > Now don't keep me waiting in the future past of this message. I'm

> > going to hit send at any moment and we're burning daylight

> > here........and 'Now', whenever it gets here. Now, Now.....I'm

not

> > trying to reach into the past of this discussion, I want an

answer

> > sometime in the future, when this is past, as to Now. OK?

Nowadays,

> > everybody wants everything immediately, in the present of real

> > time.......me too......but where is 'Now' ever, or never, or

> forever,

> > found.....what's it founded upon.......and why?

> >

> > ..bob

> > (in the past of this present time of your reading the

above)

> >

>

>

> Oh

>

So......Soho........No Mo......Go Bro

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> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@>

> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan "

<yohansky@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan "

> > <yohansky@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan "

> > > > <yohansky@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 "

> > > > > > > > > > <kailashana@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > Nisargadatta , " Johan "

> > > > > > > > > <yohansky@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <kailashana@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <pliantheart@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <s.petersilge@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> " I hope for nothing. I fear

> > > > nothing.

> > > > > I

> > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > > free. "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for posting these

> quotes...

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this above one is written on

> his

> > > > grave.

> > > > > > > > > > Kazantzakis

> > > > > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > buried on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the city wall of Heraklion,

his

> > > birth

> > > > > > town,

> > > > > > > > > after

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Christian

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > church

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had refused to give him a

place

> > on

> > > an

> > > > > > > > official

> > > > > > > > > > > > > graveyard.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I often think about this

quote,

> > > which

> > > > > > > sounds

> > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > > nice

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > romantic at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the first moment but can

demand

> > > > > literally

> > > > > > > > > > > everything

> > > > > > > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > taken

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seriously.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the best quotes in general seem

> to

> > be

> > > > > like

> > > > > > > that,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very easy to go ya-ya-great-

quote

> > and

> > > > > skip

> > > > > > > on...

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when in truth one could spend a

> day

> > > and

> > > > > > still

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not digest it.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think... hope and fear are

> the

> > > two

> > > > > > sides

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > coin

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > keeps us in bondage. We

cannot

> be

> > > > free

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > fear

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > still

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hopes.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are not free until we get

> rid

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > > > whole

> > > > > > > > > > coin.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stefan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dearest Bill and Stefan,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > imo, it takes a lifetime to

> > understand

> > > > > > > > > understanding

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never 'free' while trying

to 'rid'

> > > > > ourselves

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > hope

> > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > fear.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love is one side of the coin the

> > other

> > > is

> > > > > > > fear.

> > > > > > > > > Hope

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hand

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tosses the coin.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Freedom comes at a great price:

to

> > > allow

> > > > > > > > ourselves

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lost

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > again

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and again in this Dance of Life,

> only

> > > to

> > > > > > > reawaken

> > > > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > another

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > song

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ends.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ......understanding

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a perfect snowflake

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > melting.....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > YIL,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Understanding is like a carrot,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hoping one day you might get it

right.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understanding is another.....nice

> > dream....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this much is true for me, this much I

> have

> > > > > > realized:

> > > > > > > > > (Made

> > > > > > > > > > > > real)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as Anna

as

> > long

> > > > as

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > dreamer

> > > > > > > > > > > > > exists,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understanding ever more aspects

> > of 'dreaming'

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > the 'dream'.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The dream of separation, however has

been

> > > seen

> > > > to

> > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > > logical

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conclusion.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't know if i understand/see what you

> mean

> > > > > > with .....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > " the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as Anna as

> > long

> > > as

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > dreamer

> > > > > > > > > > > > > exists,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understanding ever more aspects

> > of 'dreaming'

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > the 'dream' "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sounds interesting

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > it let my think of the following

statements:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > " the dream of being " Marc " reawakens as

> long

> > as

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > dreamer " Marc "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > exists "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the " seperation " between real being (non-

> > > > dreaming)

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > dream-

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > being, i think.....is real

therefore.....as

> > > long

> > > > as

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > dream-

> > > > > > > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > exists

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is a difference between

> sleeping....and

> > > to

> > > > be

> > > > > > > > > awake....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is a difference too....between real

> > > > > > being....and

> > > > > > > > > dream-

> > > > > > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's all about to find out.... " who/what "

> real

> > > > being

> > > > > > > is....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > so the " dreamer " , who has no

> > > individual/seperated

> > > > > > > > > existence,

> > > > > > > > > > > > except

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the dream.....need to be identified as

> > > > dreaming

> > > > > > > entity

> > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is no big deal....because real

> > > > being.....don't

> > > > > > let

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > anything/anybody " dream " .....for endless

> > > times....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > " dream " exist because of real being.....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...and also because of real

> being.... " dream "

> > > > > > > > disappear....*

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > * like waves on the deep ocean.....

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > moving....changing....transformed.....again

> and

> > > > > > again....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > coming and going....

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > even if a " wave " understand the nature of

the

> > > > > > ocean....it

> > > > > > > > > isn't

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ocean......as long the " wave " is

> > > > > moving....like " waves "

> > > > > > > > do....

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > If there was a wave that understands, how

would

> > one

> > > > > know

> > > > > > it?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > one would know it.....if one would consider

> > > > oneself....as

> > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > entity

> > > > > > > > > > > with " understanding "

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Marc

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry but I'm not that pretentious.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > :)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > yes....remind the message yesterday...

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " understanding is another....nice dream "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > so....i'm not that pretentious too...

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Marc

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It is said that there's no yesterday.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ah....a freak of the fabuloes NOW....?....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > :)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > Maybe some time in future...

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > it is said that future is Now....

> > > > >

> > > > Oh

> > > >

> > >

> > > Oh?.......No!

> > >

> > > what time of day does 'Now' show up? or is 'Now' a night time

> > event?

> > > Now don't keep me waiting in the future past of this message.

I'm

> > > going to hit send at any moment and we're burning daylight

> > > here........and 'Now', whenever it gets here. Now, Now.....I'm

> not

> > > trying to reach into the past of this discussion, I want an

> answer

> > > sometime in the future, when this is past, as to Now. OK?

> Nowadays,

> > > everybody wants everything immediately, in the present of real

> > > time.......me too......but where is 'Now' ever, or never, or

> > forever,

> > > found.....what's it founded upon.......and why?

> > >

> > > ..bob

> > > (in the past of this present time of your reading the

> above)

> > >

> >

> >

> > Oh

> >

> So......Soho........No Mo......Go Bro

 

 

Ps: Oh?.......No!

> > >

> > > what time of day does 'Now' show up? or is 'Now' a night time

> > event?

> > > Now don't keep me waiting in the future past of this message.

I'm

> > > going to hit send at any moment and we're burning daylight

> > > here........and 'Now', whenever it gets here. Now, Now.....I'm

> not

> > > trying to reach into the past of this discussion, I want an

> answer

> > > sometime in the future, when this is past, as to Now. OK?

> Nowadays,

> > > everybody wants everything immediately, in the present of real

> > > time.......me too......but where is 'Now' ever, or never, or

> > forever,

> > > found.....what's it founded upon.......and why?

> > >

> > > ..bob

> > > (in the past of this present time of your reading the

> above)

> > >

> >

 

 

 

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> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@>

> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan "

<yohansky@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan "

> > <yohansky@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan "

> > > > <yohansky@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 "

> > > > > > > > > > <kailashana@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > Nisargadatta , " Johan "

> > > > > > > > > <yohansky@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <kailashana@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <pliantheart@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <s.petersilge@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> " I hope for nothing. I fear

> > > > nothing.

> > > > > I

> > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > > free. "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for posting these

> quotes...

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this above one is written on

> his

> > > > grave.

> > > > > > > > > > Kazantzakis

> > > > > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > buried on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the city wall of Heraklion,

his

> > > birth

> > > > > > town,

> > > > > > > > > after

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Christian

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > church

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had refused to give him a

place

> > on

> > > an

> > > > > > > > official

> > > > > > > > > > > > > graveyard.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I often think about this

quote,

> > > which

> > > > > > > sounds

> > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > > nice

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > romantic at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the first moment but can

demand

> > > > > literally

> > > > > > > > > > > everything

> > > > > > > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > taken

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seriously.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the best quotes in general seem

> to

> > be

> > > > > like

> > > > > > > that,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very easy to go ya-ya-great-

quote

> > and

> > > > > skip

> > > > > > > on...

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when in truth one could spend a

> day

> > > and

> > > > > > still

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not digest it.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think... hope and fear are

> the

> > > two

> > > > > > sides

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > coin

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > keeps us in bondage. We

cannot

> be

> > > > free

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > fear

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > still

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hopes.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are not free until we get

> rid

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > > > whole

> > > > > > > > > > coin.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stefan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dearest Bill and Stefan,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > imo, it takes a lifetime to

> > understand

> > > > > > > > > understanding

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never 'free' while trying

to 'rid'

> > > > > ourselves

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > hope

> > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > fear.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love is one side of the coin the

> > other

> > > is

> > > > > > > fear.

> > > > > > > > > Hope

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hand

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tosses the coin.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Freedom comes at a great price:

to

> > > allow

> > > > > > > > ourselves

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lost

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > again

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and again in this Dance of Life,

> only

> > > to

> > > > > > > reawaken

> > > > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > another

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > song

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ends.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ......understanding

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a perfect snowflake

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > melting.....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > YIL,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Understanding is like a carrot,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hoping one day you might get it

right.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understanding is another.....nice

> > dream....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this much is true for me, this much I

> have

> > > > > > realized:

> > > > > > > > > (Made

> > > > > > > > > > > > real)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as Anna

as

> > long

> > > > as

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > dreamer

> > > > > > > > > > > > > exists,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understanding ever more aspects

> > of 'dreaming'

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > the 'dream'.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The dream of separation, however has

been

> > > seen

> > > > to

> > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > > logical

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conclusion.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't know if i understand/see what you

> mean

> > > > > > with .....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > " the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as Anna as

> > long

> > > as

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > dreamer

> > > > > > > > > > > > > exists,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understanding ever more aspects

> > of 'dreaming'

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > the 'dream' "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sounds interesting

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > it let my think of the following

statements:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > " the dream of being " Marc " reawakens as

> long

> > as

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > dreamer " Marc "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > exists "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the " seperation " between real being (non-

> > > > dreaming)

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > dream-

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > being, i think.....is real

therefore.....as

> > > long

> > > > as

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > dream-

> > > > > > > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > exists

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is a difference between

> sleeping....and

> > > to

> > > > be

> > > > > > > > > awake....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is a difference too....between real

> > > > > > being....and

> > > > > > > > > dream-

> > > > > > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's all about to find out.... " who/what "

> real

> > > > being

> > > > > > > is....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > so the " dreamer " , who has no

> > > individual/seperated

> > > > > > > > > existence,

> > > > > > > > > > > > except

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the dream.....need to be identified as

> > > > dreaming

> > > > > > > entity

> > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is no big deal....because real

> > > > being.....don't

> > > > > > let

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > anything/anybody " dream " .....for endless

> > > times....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > " dream " exist because of real being.....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...and also because of real

> being.... " dream "

> > > > > > > > disappear....*

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > * like waves on the deep ocean.....

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > moving....changing....transformed.....again

> and

> > > > > > again....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > coming and going....

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > even if a " wave " understand the nature of

the

> > > > > > ocean....it

> > > > > > > > > isn't

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ocean......as long the " wave " is

> > > > > moving....like " waves "

> > > > > > > > do....

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > If there was a wave that understands, how

would

> > one

> > > > > know

> > > > > > it?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > one would know it.....if one would consider

> > > > oneself....as

> > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > entity

> > > > > > > > > > > with " understanding "

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Marc

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry but I'm not that pretentious.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > :)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > yes....remind the message yesterday...

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " understanding is another....nice dream "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > so....i'm not that pretentious too...

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Marc

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It is said that there's no yesterday.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ah....a freak of the fabuloes NOW....?....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > :)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > Maybe some time in future...

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > it is said that future is Now....

> > > > >

> > > > Oh

> > > >

> > >

> > > Oh?.......No!

> > >

> > > what time of day does 'Now' show up? or is 'Now' a night time

> > event?

> > > Now don't keep me waiting in the future past of this message.

I'm

> > > going to hit send at any moment and we're burning daylight

> > > here........and 'Now', whenever it gets here. Now, Now.....I'm

> not

> > > trying to reach into the past of this discussion, I want an

> answer

> > > sometime in the future, when this is past, as to Now. OK?

> Nowadays,

> > > everybody wants everything immediately, in the present of real

> > > time.......me too......but where is 'Now' ever, or never, or

> > forever,

> > > found.....what's it founded upon.......and why?

> > >

> > > ..bob

> > > (in the past of this present time of your reading the

> above)

> > >

> >

> >

> > Oh

> >

> So......Soho........No Mo......Go Bro

>

Is '..bob (in the past of this present time of your reading the

above)' alive, or is He Founded Upon A Myth?

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< two very different notions of understanding.

 

< a reminder that a particular word does not

< have a particular meaning.

 

< words are like clay... you can make things

< out of them.

 

< Bill

 

Perhaps a word (any word, or any thing) is inherently void of any meaning until

one is assigned to it. Perhaps there's no such thing as a " word " until one says

it is by speaking it into existence. So, my life and life is absolutely

meaningless. And it doesn't mean anything that it's meaningless. As a result, in

the " space " (i.e., no-thingness) that reveals itself via that realization one

can invent a new way of being in life .

 

Michael

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan "

> <yohansky@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan "

> > > <yohansky@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan "

> > > > > <yohansky@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 "

> > > > > > > > > > > <kailashana@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan "

> > > > > > > > > > <yohansky@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <kailashana@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <pliantheart@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <s.petersilge@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> " I hope for nothing. I

fear

> > > > > nothing.

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > > > free. "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for posting these

> > quotes...

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this above one is written

on

> > his

> > > > > grave.

> > > > > > > > > > > Kazantzakis

> > > > > > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > buried on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the city wall of Heraklion,

> his

> > > > birth

> > > > > > > town,

> > > > > > > > > > after

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Christian

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > church

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had refused to give him a

> place

> > > on

> > > > an

> > > > > > > > > official

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > graveyard.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I often think about this

> quote,

> > > > which

> > > > > > > > sounds

> > > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > > > nice

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > romantic at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the first moment but can

> demand

> > > > > > literally

> > > > > > > > > > > > everything

> > > > > > > > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > taken

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seriously.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the best quotes in general

seem

> > to

> > > be

> > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > that,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very easy to go ya-ya-great-

> quote

> > > and

> > > > > > skip

> > > > > > > > on...

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when in truth one could spend

a

> > day

> > > > and

> > > > > > > still

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not digest it.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think... hope and fear

are

> > the

> > > > two

> > > > > > > sides

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > coin

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > keeps us in bondage. We

> cannot

> > be

> > > > > free

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > fear

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > still

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hopes.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are not free until we

get

> > rid

> > > of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > whole

> > > > > > > > > > > coin.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stefan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dearest Bill and Stefan,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > imo, it takes a lifetime to

> > > understand

> > > > > > > > > > understanding

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never 'free' while trying

> to 'rid'

> > > > > > ourselves

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > hope

> > > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > fear.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love is one side of the coin

the

> > > other

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > fear.

> > > > > > > > > > Hope

> > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hand

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tosses the coin.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Freedom comes at a great price:

> to

> > > > allow

> > > > > > > > > ourselves

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > lost

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > again

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and again in this Dance of

Life,

> > only

> > > > to

> > > > > > > > reawaken

> > > > > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > another

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > song

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ends.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ......understanding

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a perfect snowflake

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > melting.....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > YIL,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Understanding is like a carrot,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hoping one day you might get it

> right.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understanding is another.....nice

> > > dream....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this much is true for me, this much I

> > have

> > > > > > > realized:

> > > > > > > > > > (Made

> > > > > > > > > > > > > real)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as Anna

> as

> > > long

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > dreamer

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > exists,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understanding ever more aspects

> > > of 'dreaming'

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > the 'dream'.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The dream of separation, however has

> been

> > > > seen

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > > > logical

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conclusion.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't know if i understand/see what you

> > mean

> > > > > > > with .....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as Anna

as

> > > long

> > > > as

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > dreamer

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > exists,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understanding ever more aspects

> > > of 'dreaming'

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > the 'dream' "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sounds interesting

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it let my think of the following

> statements:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " the dream of being " Marc " reawakens as

> > long

> > > as

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > dreamer " Marc "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exists "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the " seperation " between real being

(non-

> > > > > dreaming)

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > dream-

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being, i think.....is real

> therefore.....as

> > > > long

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > dream-

> > > > > > > > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exists

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is a difference between

> > sleeping....and

> > > > to

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > awake....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is a difference too....between

real

> > > > > > > being....and

> > > > > > > > > > dream-

> > > > > > > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's all about to find

out.... " who/what "

> > real

> > > > > being

> > > > > > > > is....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so the " dreamer " , who has no

> > > > individual/seperated

> > > > > > > > > > existence,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > except

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the dream.....need to be identified

as

> > > > > dreaming

> > > > > > > > entity

> > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is no big deal....because real

> > > > > being.....don't

> > > > > > > let

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anything/anybody " dream " .....for

endless

> > > > times....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " dream " exist because of real being.....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...and also because of real

> > being.... " dream "

> > > > > > > > > disappear....*

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > * like waves on the deep ocean.....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

moving....changing....transformed.....again

> > and

> > > > > > > again....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > coming and going....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > even if a " wave " understand the nature of

> the

> > > > > > > ocean....it

> > > > > > > > > > isn't

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ocean......as long the " wave " is

> > > > > > moving....like " waves "

> > > > > > > > > do....

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > If there was a wave that understands, how

> would

> > > one

> > > > > > know

> > > > > > > it?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > one would know it.....if one would consider

> > > > > oneself....as

> > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > entity

> > > > > > > > > > > > with " understanding "

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Marc

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry but I'm not that pretentious.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > :)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > yes....remind the message yesterday...

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " understanding is another....nice dream "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > so....i'm not that pretentious too...

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Marc

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It is said that there's no yesterday.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ah....a freak of the fabuloes NOW....?....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > :)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Maybe some time in future...

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > it is said that future is Now....

> > > > > >

> > > > > Oh

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Oh?.......No!

> > > >

> > > > what time of day does 'Now' show up? or is 'Now' a night time

> > > event?

> > > > Now don't keep me waiting in the future past of this message.

> I'm

> > > > going to hit send at any moment and we're burning daylight

> > > > here........and 'Now', whenever it gets here. Now,

Now.....I'm

> > not

> > > > trying to reach into the past of this discussion, I want an

> > answer

> > > > sometime in the future, when this is past, as to Now. OK?

> > Nowadays,

> > > > everybody wants everything immediately, in the present of

real

> > > > time.......me too......but where is 'Now' ever, or never, or

> > > forever,

> > > > found.....what's it founded upon.......and why?

> > > >

> > > > ..bob

> > > > (in the past of this present time of your reading the

> > above)

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Oh

> > >

> > So......Soho........No Mo......Go Bro

> >

> Is '..bob (in the past of this present time of your reading the

> above)' alive, or is He Founded Upon A Myth?

>

 

:-)

.......wellllllllllll....

 

'bob' is the sole survivor of Gotterdammerung. in the Twilight of the

Gods, at the appointed time of the Ragnarok.....he alone found

himself appearing as the myth of truth and the godly, from the

vaporous battle wherin 'Evil " thought itself triumphant. and

NOW....yes THE 'NOW':

 

" Faster than a speeding bullet! More powerful that a locomotive!

Able to leap tall buildings at a single bound! "

" Look! Up in the sky! " " It's a bird! "

" It's a plane! "

" It's - bob! "

 

" Yes, it's bob - strange visitor from another planet who came to

Earth with powers and abilities far beyond those of mortal men.

bob! Who can change the course of mighty rivers, bend steel in his

bare hands, and who, disguised as roberibus111, mild-mannered

reporter for a great metropolitan newspaper and gentle poster to a

called Nisargadatta, fights a never-ending battle for

Truth, Justice, and the American Way!

 

Now of course, that was 'Now', but " It's all over now " .

 

Now of course, that was 'Now', but " It's all over now " .

 

there! I've said it again.....so maybe it's not all over.....YET!

 

 

and that's the truth, plus I have some beautiful ocean front property

in Arizona that I'm selling first come, first serve......sight

unseen, to any lucky bidders today. let the games...er..bidding,

begin!

 

.......bob

 

p.s. when is 'it' yet? and when 'it' is 'yet', is there 'yet' more to

come?....nah that was yesterdays news.....but tomorrow, tomorrow.....

(I just Love that tune!)

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> Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@>

> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan "

<yohansky@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan "

> > <yohansky@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan "

> > > > <yohansky@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

Nisargadatta , " Johan "

> > > > > > <yohansky@>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <kailashana@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan "

> > > > > > > > > > > <yohansky@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <kailashana@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <pliantheart@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <s.petersilge@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> " I hope for nothing. I

> fear

> > > > > > nothing.

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > > > > free. "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for posting these

> > > quotes...

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this above one is written

> on

> > > his

> > > > > > grave.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Kazantzakis

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > buried on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the city wall of

Heraklion,

> > his

> > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > town,

> > > > > > > > > > > after

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Christian

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > church

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had refused to give him a

> > place

> > > > on

> > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > official

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > graveyard.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I often think about this

> > quote,

> > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > sounds

> > > > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > > > > nice

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > romantic at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the first moment but can

> > demand

> > > > > > > literally

> > > > > > > > > > > > > everything

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > taken

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seriously.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the best quotes in general

> seem

> > > to

> > > > be

> > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > that,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very easy to go ya-ya-great-

> > quote

> > > > and

> > > > > > > skip

> > > > > > > > > on...

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when in truth one could

spend

> a

> > > day

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > still

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not digest it.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think... hope and fear

> are

> > > the

> > > > > two

> > > > > > > > sides

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > coin

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > keeps us in bondage. We

> > cannot

> > > be

> > > > > > free

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > fear

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > still

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hopes.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are not free until we

> get

> > > rid

> > > > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > whole

> > > > > > > > > > > > coin.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stefan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dearest Bill and Stefan,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > imo, it takes a lifetime to

> > > > understand

> > > > > > > > > > > understanding

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never 'free' while trying

> > to 'rid'

> > > > > > > ourselves

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > hope

> > > > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fear.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love is one side of the coin

> the

> > > > other

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > fear.

> > > > > > > > > > > Hope

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hand

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tosses the coin.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Freedom comes at a great

price:

> > to

> > > > > allow

> > > > > > > > > > ourselves

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lost

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > again

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and again in this Dance of

> Life,

> > > only

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > reawaken

> > > > > > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > another

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > song

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ends.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ......understanding

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a perfect snowflake

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > melting.....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > YIL,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Understanding is like a carrot,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hoping one day you might get it

> > right.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understanding is another.....nice

> > > > dream....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this much is true for me, this much

I

> > > have

> > > > > > > > realized:

> > > > > > > > > > > (Made

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > real)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as

Anna

> > as

> > > > long

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > dreamer

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exists,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understanding ever more aspects

> > > > of 'dreaming'

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > the 'dream'.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The dream of separation, however

has

> > been

> > > > > seen

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > > > > logical

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conclusion.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't know if i understand/see what

you

> > > mean

> > > > > > > > with .....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as

Anna

> as

> > > > long

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > dreamer

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exists,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understanding ever more aspects

> > > > of 'dreaming'

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > the 'dream' "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sounds interesting

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it let my think of the following

> > statements:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " the dream of being " Marc " reawakens

as

> > > long

> > > > as

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dreamer " Marc "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exists "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the " seperation " between real being

> (non-

> > > > > > dreaming)

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > dream-

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being, i think.....is real

> > therefore.....as

> > > > > long

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > dream-

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exists

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is a difference between

> > > sleeping....and

> > > > > to

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > awake....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is a difference too....between

> real

> > > > > > > > being....and

> > > > > > > > > > > dream-

> > > > > > > > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's all about to find

> out.... " who/what "

> > > real

> > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > is....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so the " dreamer " , who has no

> > > > > individual/seperated

> > > > > > > > > > > existence,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > except

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the dream.....need to be

identified

> as

> > > > > > dreaming

> > > > > > > > > entity

> > > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is no big deal....because real

> > > > > > being.....don't

> > > > > > > > let

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anything/anybody " dream " .....for

> endless

> > > > > times....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " dream " exist because of real

being.....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...and also because of real

> > > being.... " dream "

> > > > > > > > > > disappear....*

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * like waves on the deep ocean.....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> moving....changing....transformed.....again

> > > and

> > > > > > > > again....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > coming and going....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even if a " wave " understand the nature

of

> > the

> > > > > > > > ocean....it

> > > > > > > > > > > isn't

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ocean......as long the " wave " is

> > > > > > > moving....like " waves "

> > > > > > > > > > do....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If there was a wave that understands, how

> > would

> > > > one

> > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > it?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > one would know it.....if one would consider

> > > > > > oneself....as

> > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > entity

> > > > > > > > > > > > > with " understanding "

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry but I'm not that pretentious.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > :)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > yes....remind the message yesterday...

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > " understanding is another....nice dream "

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > so....i'm not that pretentious too...

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Marc

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > It is said that there's no yesterday.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ah....a freak of the fabuloes NOW....?....

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > :)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Maybe some time in future...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > it is said that future is Now....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > Oh

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Oh?.......No!

> > > > >

> > > > > what time of day does 'Now' show up? or is 'Now' a night

time

> > > > event?

> > > > > Now don't keep me waiting in the future past of this

message.

> > I'm

> > > > > going to hit send at any moment and we're burning daylight

> > > > > here........and 'Now', whenever it gets here. Now,

> Now.....I'm

> > > not

> > > > > trying to reach into the past of this discussion, I want an

> > > answer

> > > > > sometime in the future, when this is past, as to Now. OK?

> > > Nowadays,

> > > > > everybody wants everything immediately, in the present of

> real

> > > > > time.......me too......but where is 'Now' ever, or never,

or

> > > > forever,

> > > > > found.....what's it founded upon.......and why?

> > > > >

> > > > > ..bob

> > > > > (in the past of this present time of your reading

the

> > > above)

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Oh

> > > >

> > > So......Soho........No Mo......Go Bro

> > >

> > Is '..bob (in the past of this present time of your reading the

> > above)' alive, or is He Founded Upon A Myth?

> >

>

> :-)

> .......wellllllllllll....

>

> 'bob' is the sole survivor of Gotterdammerung. in the Twilight of

the

> Gods, at the appointed time of the Ragnarok.....he alone found

> himself appearing as the myth of truth and the godly, from the

> vaporous battle wherin 'Evil " thought itself triumphant. and

> NOW....yes THE 'NOW':

>

> " Faster than a speeding bullet! More powerful that a locomotive!

> Able to leap tall buildings at a single bound! "

> " Look! Up in the sky! " " It's a bird! "

> " It's a plane! "

> " It's - bob! "

>

> " Yes, it's bob - strange visitor from another planet who came to

> Earth with powers and abilities far beyond those of mortal men.

> bob! Who can change the course of mighty rivers, bend steel in his

> bare hands, and who, disguised as roberibus111, mild-mannered

> reporter for a great metropolitan newspaper and gentle poster to a

> called Nisargadatta, fights a never-ending battle for

> Truth, Justice, and the American Way!

>

> Now of course, that was 'Now', but " It's all over now " .

>

> Now of course, that was 'Now', but " It's all over now " .

>

> there! I've said it again.....so maybe it's not all over.....YET!

>

>

> and that's the truth, plus I have some beautiful ocean front

property

> in Arizona that I'm selling first come, first serve......sight

> unseen, to any lucky bidders today. let the games...er..bidding,

> begin!

>

> .......bob

>

> p.s. when is 'it' yet? and when 'it' is 'yet', is there 'yet' more

to

> come?....nah that was yesterdays news.....but tomorrow,

tomorrow.....

> (I just Love that tune!)

> (bn)

>

I imagine that your colony of mythical entities, following you all

the way to this planet, was as successful as you could have hoped

for. Be assured , it made us happy. Enough cheerful not to overlook

the unicorns and other gargoyles that deserved our devotion, with

much religious fervour more than we had anticipated. We discovered

that much of your journey with your colourfull party was a vague

memory of our own past that started God-Knows-When.

 

Anyway, since Goya started painting the records, with the haste of

desperation, we descended to complacent-like grazing cattle. For

centuries of unsuccessful spoon bending and sitting cross legged as

comfortable as we thought we needed to be, we have been praying for

the coming of BOB, Son of Uhri Geller.

 

There was no reason to keep in touch with the centre of the Earth, no

motivation to keep the machinery going. All we did was keeping an eye

in the sky for that plane or mighty bird that BOB might be and sit at

his feet. I would have cursed if it hadn't been for the dragons.

BOB in disguise - Let the show begin…

 

We love you BOB!

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Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan "

> <yohansky@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan "

> > > <yohansky@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan "

> > > > > <yohansky@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> Nisargadatta , " Johan "

> > > > > > > <yohansky@>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <kailashana@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <yohansky@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <kailashana@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <pliantheart@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <s.petersilge@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> " I hope for nothing.

I

> > fear

> > > > > > > nothing.

> > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > > > > > free. "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for posting

these

> > > > quotes...

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this above one is

written

> > on

> > > > his

> > > > > > > grave.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Kazantzakis

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > buried on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the city wall of

> Heraklion,

> > > his

> > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > > town,

> > > > > > > > > > > > after

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Christian

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > church

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had refused to give him

a

> > > place

> > > > > on

> > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > official

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > graveyard.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I often think about

this

> > > quote,

> > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > sounds

> > > > > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > nice

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > romantic at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the first moment but

can

> > > demand

> > > > > > > > literally

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > everything

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > taken

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seriously.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the best quotes in

general

> > seem

> > > > to

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > that,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very easy to go ya-ya-

great-

> > > quote

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > skip

> > > > > > > > > > on...

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when in truth one could

> spend

> > a

> > > > day

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > still

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not digest it.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think... hope and

fear

> > are

> > > > the

> > > > > > two

> > > > > > > > > sides

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > coin

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > keeps us in bondage. We

> > > cannot

> > > > be

> > > > > > > free

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > fear

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > still

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hopes.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are not free until

we

> > get

> > > > rid

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > whole

> > > > > > > > > > > > > coin.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stefan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dearest Bill and Stefan,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > imo, it takes a lifetime to

> > > > > understand

> > > > > > > > > > > > understanding

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never 'free' while trying

> > > to 'rid'

> > > > > > > > ourselves

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > hope

> > > > > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fear.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love is one side of the

coin

> > the

> > > > > other

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > fear.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Hope

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hand

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tosses the coin.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Freedom comes at a great

> price:

> > > to

> > > > > > allow

> > > > > > > > > > > ourselves

> > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lost

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > again

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and again in this Dance of

> > Life,

> > > > only

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > reawaken

> > > > > > > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > another

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > song

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ends.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ......understanding

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a perfect snowflake

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > melting.....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > YIL,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Understanding is like a

carrot,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hoping one day you might get

it

> > > right.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understanding is

another.....nice

> > > > > dream....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this much is true for me, this

much

> I

> > > > have

> > > > > > > > > realized:

> > > > > > > > > > > > (Made

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > real)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as

> Anna

> > > as

> > > > > long

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > dreamer

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exists,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understanding ever more aspects

> > > > > of 'dreaming'

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the 'dream'.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The dream of separation, however

> has

> > > been

> > > > > > seen

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > > > > > logical

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conclusion.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't know if i understand/see what

> you

> > > > mean

> > > > > > > > > with .....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as

> Anna

> > as

> > > > > long

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > dreamer

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exists,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understanding ever more aspects

> > > > > of 'dreaming'

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the 'dream' "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sounds interesting

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it let my think of the following

> > > statements:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " the dream of being " Marc "

reawakens

> as

> > > > long

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dreamer " Marc "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exists "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the " seperation " between real being

> > (non-

> > > > > > > dreaming)

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dream-

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being, i think.....is real

> > > therefore.....as

> > > > > > long

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > dream-

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exists

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is a difference between

> > > > sleeping....and

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > awake....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is a difference

too....between

> > real

> > > > > > > > > being....and

> > > > > > > > > > > > dream-

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's all about to find

> > out.... " who/what "

> > > > real

> > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > is....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so the " dreamer " , who has no

> > > > > > individual/seperated

> > > > > > > > > > > > existence,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the dream.....need to be

> identified

> > as

> > > > > > > dreaming

> > > > > > > > > > entity

> > > > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is no big deal....because real

> > > > > > > being.....don't

> > > > > > > > > let

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anything/anybody " dream " .....for

> > endless

> > > > > > times....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " dream " exist because of real

> being.....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...and also because of real

> > > > being.... " dream "

> > > > > > > > > > > disappear....*

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * like waves on the deep ocean.....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > moving....changing....transformed.....again

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > again....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > coming and going....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even if a " wave " understand the

nature

> of

> > > the

> > > > > > > > > ocean....it

> > > > > > > > > > > > isn't

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ocean......as long the " wave " is

> > > > > > > > moving....like " waves "

> > > > > > > > > > > do....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If there was a wave that understands,

how

> > > would

> > > > > one

> > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > it?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > one would know it.....if one would

consider

> > > > > > > oneself....as

> > > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > entity

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > with " understanding "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry but I'm not that pretentious.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > :)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > yes....remind the message yesterday...

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > " understanding is another....nice dream "

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > so....i'm not that pretentious too...

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Marc

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > It is said that there's no yesterday.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ah....a freak of the fabuloes NOW....?....

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > :)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Maybe some time in future...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > it is said that future is Now....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Oh

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Oh?.......No!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > what time of day does 'Now' show up? or is 'Now' a night

> time

> > > > > event?

> > > > > > Now don't keep me waiting in the future past of this

> message.

> > > I'm

> > > > > > going to hit send at any moment and we're burning

daylight

> > > > > > here........and 'Now', whenever it gets here. Now,

> > Now.....I'm

> > > > not

> > > > > > trying to reach into the past of this discussion, I want

an

> > > > answer

> > > > > > sometime in the future, when this is past, as to Now. OK?

> > > > Nowadays,

> > > > > > everybody wants everything immediately, in the present of

> > real

> > > > > > time.......me too......but where is 'Now' ever, or never,

> or

> > > > > forever,

> > > > > > found.....what's it founded upon.......and why?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ..bob

> > > > > > (in the past of this present time of your reading

> the

> > > > above)

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Oh

> > > > >

> > > > So......Soho........No Mo......Go Bro

> > > >

> > > Is '..bob (in the past of this present time of your reading the

> > > above)' alive, or is He Founded Upon A Myth?

> > >

> >

> > :-)

> > .......wellllllllllll....

> >

> > 'bob' is the sole survivor of Gotterdammerung. in the Twilight of

> the

> > Gods, at the appointed time of the Ragnarok.....he alone found

> > himself appearing as the myth of truth and the godly, from the

> > vaporous battle wherin 'Evil " thought itself triumphant. and

> > NOW....yes THE 'NOW':

> >

> > " Faster than a speeding bullet! More powerful that a

locomotive!

> > Able to leap tall buildings at a single bound! "

> > " Look! Up in the sky! " " It's a bird! "

> > " It's a plane! "

> > " It's - bob! "

> >

> > " Yes, it's bob - strange visitor from another planet who came to

> > Earth with powers and abilities far beyond those of mortal men.

> > bob! Who can change the course of mighty rivers, bend steel in

his

> > bare hands, and who, disguised as roberibus111, mild-mannered

> > reporter for a great metropolitan newspaper and gentle poster to

a

> > called Nisargadatta, fights a never-ending battle for

> > Truth, Justice, and the American Way!

> >

> > Now of course, that was 'Now', but " It's all over now " .

> >

> > Now of course, that was 'Now', but " It's all over now " .

> >

> > there! I've said it again.....so maybe it's not all over.....YET!

> >

> >

> > and that's the truth, plus I have some beautiful ocean front

> property

> > in Arizona that I'm selling first come, first serve......sight

> > unseen, to any lucky bidders today. let the games...er..bidding,

> > begin!

> >

> > .......bob

> >

> > p.s. when is 'it' yet? and when 'it' is 'yet', is there 'yet'

more

> to

> > come?....nah that was yesterdays news.....but tomorrow,

> tomorrow.....

> > (I just Love that tune!)

> > (bn)

> >

> I imagine that your colony of mythical entities, following you all

> the way to this planet, was as successful as you could have hoped

> for. Be assured , it made us happy. Enough cheerful not to overlook

> the unicorns and other gargoyles that deserved our devotion, with

> much religious fervour more than we had anticipated. We discovered

> that much of your journey with your colourfull party was a vague

> memory of our own past that started God-Knows-When.

>

> Anyway, since Goya started painting the records, with the haste of

> desperation, we descended to complacent-like grazing cattle. For

> centuries of unsuccessful spoon bending and sitting cross legged as

> comfortable as we thought we needed to be, we have been praying for

> the coming of BOB, Son of Uhri Geller.

>

> There was no reason to keep in touch with the centre of the Earth,

no

> motivation to keep the machinery going. All we did was keeping an

eye

> in the sky for that plane or mighty bird that BOB might be and sit

at

> his feet. I would have cursed if it hadn't been for the dragons.

> BOB in disguise - Let the show begin…

>

> We love you BOB!

 

 

>

well now thank ya......thank ya very much! bob loves me too.

 

.........bob

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