Guest guest Report post Posted October 30, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 10/30/2005 9:25:16 AM Pacific Standard Time, > > cptc@w... writes: > > > > > > Conceptual thought is the overlay that occurs within the frontal cortex of > > the human brain. > > > > It is really an amazing lens and offers consciousness infinite new > > possibilities.............................save one..........the ability to > > see itself. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > You ARE seeing yourself. Look around you; it's all your creation. What > > you're having difficulty with is knowing yourself to BE that. > > > > Phil > > > > That.........is new age..... egoic grandiosity. > > The 'self' imagines itself to the the king of its own imaginary kingdom. > > Look for this king......when the body dies. > > > toombaru > My hope is that my body is " just " a 3D holographic projection. A very advanced projection, because in a hologram, every part contains some version of the whole. If true, it means that I can perhaps someday be able to alter this projection called the body into a younger body, or into something else, or into an older body too for that matter. A holographic projection cannot die, it is just pure " information " . al. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 30, 2005 In a message dated 10/30/2005 11:38:05 PM Pacific Standard Time, cptc writes: > > You selectively believe the words that flow only through the > 'enlightened masters' that > > coincide with your own misconceptions. > > > > The master tells a student that the Self is everything and nothing. > > > > The student takes this literally....and feels quite comfortable in its > own imagined > vastness. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Comfortably numb? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > Comfortably dead. > > > > > > My condolences. > My.........My..........me.............me..............mine............. me.........me................me......me me.........me me. chorus: Me me me.....me me...............me me (Egoic durge) Heheeee. Do YOU have any idea what a downer YOU are? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 30, 2005 - ADHHUB Nisargadatta Sunday, October 30, 2005 7:58 PM Re: Re: The Enlightenment Question In a message dated 10/30/2005 4:23:20 PM Pacific Standard Time, cptc writes: Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote: > > > In a message dated 10/30/2005 4:06:43 PM Pacific Standard Time, > cptc@w... writes: > > > So every enlightened master who speaks of Self as the totality of > everything > > and nothing is trapped in ego fantasy? Hmmmm, interesting approach. How's > > that working for ya? > > > > Phil > > > > > > You selectively believe the words that flow only through the 'enlightened > masters' that > coincide with your own misconceptions. > > The master tells a student that the Self is everything and nothing. > > The student takes this literally....and feels quite comfortable in its own > imagined vastness. > > > toombaru > > > > You do? > Then maybe you should consider that the ego will not be able to project > itself into the Absolute. There will be no individual to experience this. Sorry > bout that. > > Phil Oh..........you were thinking that the 'ego' actually exists. Now I understand your confusion. toombaru Who is it that understands this confusion, please? Phil Weeeeellll, that's a deep subject and ends in a bottomless echo called toombaru... Smiles, Ana Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 30, 2005 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote: > > > In a message dated 10/30/2005 5:47:13 PM Pacific Standard Time, > anders_lindman writes: > > > Werner, from my point of view I don't know if you are aware or only in > my imagination. Your rational ideas will get me nowhere. > > al. > > > > What sort of awareness are you suggesting here? > > Phil > I know that I am aware, but I don't know if anyone else in the " external " world is aware. If George W. Bush is standing on the moon and starts waving his hands, it will take approximately one second before I notice that here on earth. Is then George W. Bush's " awareness " one second ahead of me, or one second behind me in " time " ? al. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 30, 2005 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote: > > > In a message dated 10/30/2005 6:02:05 PM Pacific Standard Time, > anders_lindman writes: > > > Yes, maybe intuition is a link between thinking based of past memories > and novelty. > > al. > > > > What does " novelty " mean in this context? > > Phil > When we compare a thought with our existing memory, we can see if the thought has some new information or not in it. If I suddenly remember that I have to pay my bills, then that thought has no or very little novelty. If I have a thought that makes me solve a problem I have been thinking about for a while, then that thought can be said to bring some new insight, some novelty. al. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 30, 2005 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote: > > > In a message dated 10/30/2005 6:25:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, > anders_lindman writes: > > > My hope is that my body is " just " a 3D holographic projection. A very > advanced projection, because in a hologram, every part contains some > version of the whole. If true, it means that I can perhaps someday be > able to alter this projection called the body into a younger body, or > into something else, or into an older body too for that matter. A > holographic projection cannot die, it is just pure " information " . > > al. > > > > Did God get lost in that equation? > > Phil > O no, God cannot be lost. God is the One Movie Producer, the Unmoved Mover, the Central Sun, the One Awareness. What we are experiencing now is God in action. Look at the computer monitor in front of you. It exists now and only now. The computer monitor has not been manufactured by people in some factory. There are no people. :-) All " stuff " is Maya! The computer monitor in front of you is " only " a part of the 3D holographic Kosmic Movie called the physical universe. As the little kid said in the Matrix movie: " There is no spoon " The Matrix movie has not been produced and directed in the past, it is produced NOW and only now in the " time " of zero seconds by the One Movie Producer. And " The One Movie " is the physical universe. All of it. al. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 30, 2005 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote: > > > In a message dated 10/30/2005 9:17:43 PM Pacific Standard Time, > anders_lindman writes: > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 10/30/2005 6:25:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > anders_lindman writes: > > > > > > My hope is that my body is " just " a 3D holographic projection. A very > > advanced projection, because in a hologram, every part contains some > > version of the whole. If true, it means that I can perhaps someday be > > able to alter this projection called the body into a younger body, or > > into something else, or into an older body too for that matter. A > > holographic projection cannot die, it is just pure " information " . > > > > al. > > > > > > > > Did God get lost in that equation? > > > > Phil > > > > O no, God cannot be lost. God is the One Movie Producer, the > Unmoved Mover, the Central Sun, the One Awareness. What we are > experiencing now is God in action. > > Look at the computer monitor in front of you. It exists now and only > now. The computer monitor has not been manufactured by people in some > factory. There are no people. :-) All " stuff " is Maya! The computer > monitor in front of you is " only " a part of the 3D holographic Kosmic > Movie called the physical universe. > > As the little kid said in the Matrix movie: " There is no spoon " > > The Matrix movie has not been produced and directed in the past, it is > produced NOW and only now in the " time " of zero seconds by the One > Movie Producer. And " The One Movie " is the physical universe. All of it. > > al. > > > > Whew! Thank God God isn't dead. ~ > That's why Jesus said (or, rather, is saying now, because Jesus is created now as a part of the One Movie): " I and the Father are one " It is very fortunate that God is producing the movie. We can be co-directors, but ultimately, it is God who materialize every single quark in the universe with laser-sharp precision, moment by moment. Every single particle is connected to all other particles in the universe. It's a very, very advanced movie. So don't try to produce the Movie all by yourself. As in the example of the Matrix move. Isn't it true that the Wachowski brothers directed this movie some years ago? Yes, but this is only true from a limited perspective. The full truth is that the ENTIRE universe INCLUDING the entire history record from the Big Bang to the present moment comes into being INSTANTLY. So God, creates the entire One Movie in zero " seconds " in the now, and that movie contains the Wachowski brothers making the Matrix movie and the entire history record of the universe. al. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 30, 2005 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote: > > > In a message dated 10/30/2005 6:02:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, > cptc@w... writes: > > B) Truth can be known only by being that Truth. All else is a shadow of > > Truth, and therefore untrue. Every written word is a lie and we like it > that way. > > > Actually 'truth' does not exist. > > Can you think of a truth in nature? > > > > Item B does not say that truth exists. At least, I don't see where it says > that. Where does it say that? > > > Read item B again. > > > > > > Given these understandings, possibly, we can allow those mind/ego > mechanisms > > who choose to write things, > Nope........what is written is written through.... not by...the sense of > separation. > > > > Heheeee. Okay, rephrasing: > > " Can we allow the totality of All That Is to express through the human > mechanisms on this forum which seemingly results in the temporally framed illusion > of character generation and symbolic representation " ...........are you a > lawyer?? > > 'We' can allow nothing. We are merely the machinery through which consciousness expresses its self. > > > > > > Alas........even 'sages' have no choice....... > > Boom! There it is! > It is what it is. > > Phil > > > Indeed. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 30, 2005 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote: > > > In a message dated 10/30/2005 6:25:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, > anders_lindman writes: > > > My hope is that my body is " just " a 3D holographic projection. A very > advanced projection, because in a hologram, every part contains some > version of the whole. If true, it means that I can perhaps someday be > able to alter this projection called the body into a younger body, or > into something else, or into an older body too for that matter. A > holographic projection cannot die, it is just pure " information " . > > al. > > > > Did God get lost in that equation? > > Phil > Factor out the identified entity......and the whole question evaporates. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 30, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > - > toombaru2004 > Nisargadatta > Sunday, October 30, 2005 7:05 PM > Re: The Enlightenment Question > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 10/30/2005 2:41:43 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > cptc@w... writes: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > toombaru2004 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Sunday, October 30, 2005 5:27 PM > > > Re: The Enlightenment Question > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 10/30/2005 9:25:16 AM Pacific Standard Time, > > > > cptc@w... writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > Conceptual thought is the overlay that occurs within the frontal > > cortex of > > > > the human brain. > > > > > > > > It is really an amazing lens and offers consciousness infinite new > > > > possibilities.............................save one..........the > > ability to > > > > see itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You ARE seeing yourself. Look around you; it's all your creation. What > > > > > > you're having difficulty with is knowing yourself to BE that. > > > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > That.........is new age..... egoic grandiosity. > > > > > > The 'self' imagines itself to the the king of its own imaginary kingdom. > > > > > > Look for this king......when the body dies. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how can " you " be so certain, > > > of knowing or imagining now or then? Hmmm? > > > > > > Ana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > Only the ego speaks of being everything. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > So every enlightened master who speaks of Self as the totality of everything > > and nothing is trapped in ego fantasy? Hmmmm, interesting approach. How's > > that working for ya? > > > > Phil > > > > > > You selectively believe the words that flow only through the 'enlightened masters' that > coincide with your own misconceptions. > > The master tells a student that the Self is everything and nothing. > > The student takes this literally....and feels quite comfortable in its own imagined vastness. > > > toombaru > > > Comfortably numb? > > > ** > Comfortably dead. t Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 30, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 10/30/2005 6:02:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > cptc@w... writes: > > > > B) Truth can be known only by being that Truth. All else is a shadow of > > > Truth, and therefore untrue. Every written word is a lie and we like it > > that way. > > > > > > Actually 'truth' does not exist. > > > > Can you think of a truth in nature? > > > > > > > > Item B does not say that truth exists. At least, I don't see where it says > > that. Where does it say that? > > > > > > > > > > Read item B again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Given these understandings, possibly, we can allow those mind/ego > > mechanisms > > > who choose to write things, > > Nope........what is written is written through.... not by...the sense of > > separation. > > > > > > > > Heheeee. Okay, rephrasing: > > > > " Can we allow the totality of All That Is to express through the human > > mechanisms on this forum which seemingly results in the temporally framed illusion > > of character generation and symbolic representation " ...........are you a > > lawyer?? > > > > > > 'We' can allow nothing. > We are merely the machinery through which consciousness expresses its self. Exactly. We have the 'pseudo' capacity for creation but ultimately it is God who is the One Producer. al. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alas........even 'sages' have no choice....... > > > > Boom! There it is! > > It is what it is. > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > Indeed. > > > toombaru > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 30, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote: > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 10/30/2005 6:02:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > > cptc@w... writes: > > > > > > B) Truth can be known only by being that Truth. All else is a > shadow of > > > > Truth, and therefore untrue. Every written word is a lie and we > like it > > > that way. > > > > > > > > > Actually 'truth' does not exist. > > > > > > Can you think of a truth in nature? > > > > > > > > > > > > Item B does not say that truth exists. At least, I don't see where > it says > > > that. Where does it say that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Read item B again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Given these understandings, possibly, we can allow those mind/ego > > > mechanisms > > > > who choose to write things, > > > Nope........what is written is written through.... not by...the > sense of > > > separation. > > > > > > > > > > > > Heheeee. Okay, rephrasing: > > > > > > " Can we allow the totality of All That Is to express through the > human > > > mechanisms on this forum which seemingly results in the temporally > framed illusion > > > of character generation and symbolic representation " ...........are > you a > > > lawyer?? > > > > > > > > > > 'We' can allow nothing. > > We are merely the machinery through which consciousness expresses > its self. > > Exactly. We have the 'pseudo' capacity for creation but ultimately it > is God who is the One Producer. > > al. > And so, enlightenment is perhaps the realization that one IS the One Producer. al. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 30, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 10/30/2005 6:02:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > > > cptc@w... writes: > > > > > > > > B) Truth can be known only by being that Truth. All else is a > > shadow of > > > > > Truth, and therefore untrue. Every written word is a lie and we > > like it > > > > that way. > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually 'truth' does not exist. > > > > > > > > Can you think of a truth in nature? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Item B does not say that truth exists. At least, I don't see where > > it says > > > > that. Where does it say that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Read item B again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Given these understandings, possibly, we can allow those > mind/ego > > > > mechanisms > > > > > who choose to write things, > > > > Nope........what is written is written through.... not by...the > > sense of > > > > separation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Heheeee. Okay, rephrasing: > > > > > > > > " Can we allow the totality of All That Is to express through the > > human > > > > mechanisms on this forum which seemingly results in the temporally > > framed illusion > > > > of character generation and symbolic representation " ...........are > > you a > > > > lawyer?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'We' can allow nothing. > > > We are merely the machinery through which consciousness expresses > > its self. > > > > Exactly. We have the 'pseudo' capacity for creation but ultimately it > > is God who is the One Producer. > > > > al. > > > > And so, enlightenment is perhaps the realization that one IS the One > Producer. > > al. > No. It is the release from constriction of identification. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 31, 2005 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote: > > > In a message dated 10/30/2005 9:46:01 PM Pacific Standard Time, > anders_lindman writes: > > > > > Whew! Thank God God isn't dead. ~ > > > > That's why Jesus said (or, rather, is saying now, because Jesus is > created now as a part of the One Movie): " I and the Father are one " > > It is very fortunate that God is producing the movie. We can be > co-directors, but ultimately, it is God who materialize every single > quark in the universe with laser-sharp precision, moment by moment. > Every single particle is connected to all other particles in the > universe. It's a very, very advanced movie. So don't try to produce > the Movie all by yourself. > > As in the example of the Matrix move. Isn't it true that the Wachowski > brothers directed this movie some years ago? Yes, but this is only > true from a limited perspective. The full truth is that the ENTIRE > universe INCLUDING the entire history record from the Big Bang to the > present moment comes into being INSTANTLY. So God, creates the entire > One Movie in zero " seconds " in the now, and that movie contains the > Wachowski brothers making the Matrix movie and the entire history > record of the universe. > > al. > > > > I can't say it how I see it, but what if I were to tell you that God creates > a whole universe just for you in every moment? Each of us has our very own > universe and these universes interact according to fields of consciousness, > and it all 'occurs' within a single consciousness. In this way, your experiences > are the perfection of your own individualized evolution of awareness, > regardless of what 'others' seem to be doing. How does that sound? > > Phil > When the discriminating mind searches within its self for answers to self referential questions....only further confusion can result. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 31, 2005 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote: > > > In a message dated 10/30/2005 9:46:01 PM Pacific Standard Time, > anders_lindman writes: > > > > > Whew! Thank God God isn't dead. ~ > > > > That's why Jesus said (or, rather, is saying now, because Jesus is > created now as a part of the One Movie): " I and the Father are one " > > It is very fortunate that God is producing the movie. We can be > co-directors, but ultimately, it is God who materialize every single > quark in the universe with laser-sharp precision, moment by moment. > Every single particle is connected to all other particles in the > universe. It's a very, very advanced movie. So don't try to produce > the Movie all by yourself. > > As in the example of the Matrix move. Isn't it true that the Wachowski > brothers directed this movie some years ago? Yes, but this is only > true from a limited perspective. The full truth is that the ENTIRE > universe INCLUDING the entire history record from the Big Bang to the > present moment comes into being INSTANTLY. So God, creates the entire > One Movie in zero " seconds " in the now, and that movie contains the > Wachowski brothers making the Matrix movie and the entire history > record of the universe. > > al. > > > > I can't say it how I see it, but what if I were to tell you that God creates > a whole universe just for you in every moment? Each of us has our very own > universe and these universes interact according to fields of consciousness, > and it all 'occurs' within a single consciousness. In this way, your experiences > are the perfection of your own individualized evolution of awareness, > regardless of what 'others' seem to be doing. How does that sound? > > Phil > > I believe we are more like facets in God. As a facet, we are the entire universe, but all human facets are synchronized into the same planetary reality (unless someone takes LSD or something). What we need now is for God to kick-start the Gaia Producer (planetary consciousness), so that the mess on this planet can be sorted out. I have posted this before, but I think it is a good illustration of a human 'facet': http://www.headless.org/English/movies.htm al. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 31, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 10/30/2005 9:46:01 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > anders_lindman writes: > > > > > > > > Whew! Thank God God isn't dead. ~ > > > > > > > That's why Jesus said (or, rather, is saying now, because Jesus is > > created now as a part of the One Movie): " I and the Father are one " > > > > It is very fortunate that God is producing the movie. We can be > > co-directors, but ultimately, it is God who materialize every single > > quark in the universe with laser-sharp precision, moment by moment. > > Every single particle is connected to all other particles in the > > universe. It's a very, very advanced movie. So don't try to produce > > the Movie all by yourself. > > > > As in the example of the Matrix move. Isn't it true that the Wachowski > > brothers directed this movie some years ago? Yes, but this is only > > true from a limited perspective. The full truth is that the ENTIRE > > universe INCLUDING the entire history record from the Big Bang to the > > present moment comes into being INSTANTLY. So God, creates the entire > > One Movie in zero " seconds " in the now, and that movie contains the > > Wachowski brothers making the Matrix movie and the entire history > > record of the universe. > > > > al. > > > > > > > > I can't say it how I see it, but what if I were to tell you that God > creates > > a whole universe just for you in every moment? Each of us has our > very own > > universe and these universes interact according to fields of > consciousness, > > and it all 'occurs' within a single consciousness. In this way, your > experiences > > are the perfection of your own individualized evolution of awareness, > > regardless of what 'others' seem to be doing. How does that sound? > > > > Phil > > > > > > > I believe we are more like facets in God. As a facet, we are the > entire universe, but all human facets are synchronized into the same > planetary reality (unless someone takes LSD or something). What we > need now is for God to kick-start the Gaia Producer (planetary > consciousness), so that the mess on this planet can be sorted out...... ........so it will be a safer place for the delusional identified entity to serve out its allotted time. **************************************************************** Whoever makes a mess....should clean it up. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 31, 2005 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote: > > > In a message dated 10/30/2005 10:04:07 PM Pacific Standard Time, > cptc@w... writes: > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2004 > > Nisargadatta > > Sunday, October 30, 2005 7:05 PM > > Re: The Enlightenment Question > > > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote: > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 10/30/2005 2:41:43 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > > cptc@w... writes: > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > toombaru2004 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Sunday, October 30, 2005 5:27 PM > > > > Re: The Enlightenment Question > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 10/30/2005 9:25:16 AM Pacific Standard Time, > > > > > > cptc@w... writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Conceptual thought is the overlay that occurs within the > frontal > > > cortex of > > > > > the human brain. > > > > > > > > > > It is really an amazing lens and offers consciousness > infinite new > > > > > possibilities.............................save > one..........the > > > ability to > > > > > see itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You ARE seeing yourself. Look around you; it's all your > creation. What > > > > > > > > you're having difficulty with is knowing yourself to BE that. > > > > > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > That.........is new age..... egoic grandiosity. > > > > > > > > The 'self' imagines itself to the the king of its own imaginary > kingdom. > > > > > > > > Look for this king......when the body dies. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how can " you " be so certain, > > > > of knowing or imagining now or then? Hmmm? > > > > > > > > Ana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only the ego speaks of being everything. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So every enlightened master who speaks of Self as the totality of > everything > > > and nothing is trapped in ego fantasy? Hmmmm, interesting approach. > How's > > > that working for ya? > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > You selectively believe the words that flow only through the > 'enlightened masters' that > > coincide with your own misconceptions. > > > > The master tells a student that the Self is everything and nothing. > > > > The student takes this literally....and feels quite comfortable in its > own imagined > vastness. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Comfortably numb? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > Comfortably dead. > > > > > > My condolences. > My.........My..........me.............me..............mine............. me.........me................me......me me.........me me. chorus: Me me me.....me me...............me me (Egoic durge) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 31, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote: > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 10/30/2005 9:46:01 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > > anders_lindman writes: > > > > > > > > > > > Whew! Thank God God isn't dead. ~ > > > > > > > > > > That's why Jesus said (or, rather, is saying now, because Jesus is > > > created now as a part of the One Movie): " I and the Father are one " > > > > > > It is very fortunate that God is producing the movie. We can be > > > co-directors, but ultimately, it is God who materialize every single > > > quark in the universe with laser-sharp precision, moment by moment. > > > Every single particle is connected to all other particles in the > > > universe. It's a very, very advanced movie. So don't try to produce > > > the Movie all by yourself. > > > > > > As in the example of the Matrix move. Isn't it true that the Wachowski > > > brothers directed this movie some years ago? Yes, but this is only > > > true from a limited perspective. The full truth is that the ENTIRE > > > universe INCLUDING the entire history record from the Big Bang to the > > > present moment comes into being INSTANTLY. So God, creates the entire > > > One Movie in zero " seconds " in the now, and that movie contains the > > > Wachowski brothers making the Matrix movie and the entire history > > > record of the universe. > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > > I can't say it how I see it, but what if I were to tell you that God > > creates > > > a whole universe just for you in every moment? Each of us has our > > very own > > > universe and these universes interact according to fields of > > consciousness, > > > and it all 'occurs' within a single consciousness. In this way, your > > experiences > > > are the perfection of your own individualized evolution of awareness, > > > regardless of what 'others' seem to be doing. How does that sound? > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe we are more like facets in God. As a facet, we are the > > entire universe, but all human facets are synchronized into the same > > planetary reality (unless someone takes LSD or something). What we > > need now is for God to kick-start the Gaia Producer (planetary > > consciousness), so that the mess on this planet can be sorted out...... > > > > > .......so it will be a safer place for the delusional identified entity to serve out its allotted > time. > > **************************************************************** > > > Whoever makes a mess....should clean it up. > > toombaru > God is working on it. It is not a simple task to create this " movie " we call the universe. What looks like mess is perhaps only a state of metamorphosis. al. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 31, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 10/30/2005 9:17:43 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > anders_lindman writes: > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote: > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 10/30/2005 6:25:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > > anders_lindman writes: > > > > > > > > > My hope is that my body is " just " a 3D holographic projection. A > very > > > advanced projection, because in a hologram, every part contains > some > > > version of the whole. If true, it means that I can perhaps > someday be > > > able to alter this projection called the body into a younger > body, or > > > into something else, or into an older body too for that matter. A > > > holographic projection cannot die, it is just pure " information " . > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > > Did God get lost in that equation? > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > O no, God cannot be lost. God is the One Movie Producer, the > > Unmoved Mover, the Central Sun, the One Awareness. What we are > > experiencing now is God in action. > > > > Look at the computer monitor in front of you. It exists now and only > > now. The computer monitor has not been manufactured by people in some > > factory. There are no people. :-) All " stuff " is Maya! The computer > > monitor in front of you is " only " a part of the 3D holographic Kosmic > > Movie called the physical universe. > > > > As the little kid said in the Matrix movie: " There is no spoon " > > > > The Matrix movie has not been produced and directed in the past, it is > > produced NOW and only now in the " time " of zero seconds by the One > > Movie Producer. And " The One Movie " is the physical universe. All > of it. > > > > al. > > > > > > > > Whew! Thank God God isn't dead. ~ > > > > That's why Jesus said (or, rather, is saying now, because Jesus is > created now as a part of the One Movie): " I and the Father are one " > > It is very fortunate that God is producing the movie. We can be > co-directors, but ultimately, it is God who materialize every single > quark in the universe with laser-sharp precision, moment by moment. > Every single particle is connected to all other particles in the > universe. It's a very, very advanced movie. So don't try to produce > the Movie all by yourself. > > As in the example of the Matrix move. Isn't it true that the Wachowski > brothers directed this movie some years ago? Yes, but this is only > true from a limited perspective. The full truth is that the ENTIRE > universe INCLUDING the entire history record from the Big Bang to the > present moment comes into being INSTANTLY. So God, creates the entire > One Movie in zero " seconds " in the now, and that movie contains the > Wachowski brothers making the Matrix movie and the entire history > record of the universe. > > al. God create something....a movie....or whatever...? maybe with the energy of God....one can dream about movies.....or whatever imagination..... the only one " who " is responsible for the " illusory " movie is the ego mind......... don't think that God is responsible for anything what happen in " our " dreams.... when the dream end....there is God remaining.....means, awareness of all the dreamed...past....future.....dimensions....or whatever we should watch the movie....yes...why not....let's do it with consciousness....of the real energy behind...... without light....no movie..... Regards and love Marc > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 31, 2005 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote: > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 10/30/2005 9:17:43 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > > anders_lindman writes: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 10/30/2005 6:25:16 PM Pacific Standard > Time, > > > > anders_lindman writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > My hope is that my body is " just " a 3D holographic > projection. A > > very > > > > advanced projection, because in a hologram, every part > contains > > some > > > > version of the whole. If true, it means that I can perhaps > > someday be > > > > able to alter this projection called the body into a younger > > body, or > > > > into something else, or into an older body too for that > matter. A > > > > holographic projection cannot die, it is just > pure " information " . > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did God get lost in that equation? > > > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > O no, God cannot be lost. God is the One Movie Producer, the > > > Unmoved Mover, the Central Sun, the One Awareness. What we are > > > experiencing now is God in action. > > > > > > Look at the computer monitor in front of you. It exists now and > only > > > now. The computer monitor has not been manufactured by people in > some > > > factory. There are no people. :-) All " stuff " is Maya! The > computer > > > monitor in front of you is " only " a part of the 3D holographic > Kosmic > > > Movie called the physical universe. > > > > > > As the little kid said in the Matrix movie: " There is no spoon " > > > > > > The Matrix movie has not been produced and directed in the past, > it is > > > produced NOW and only now in the " time " of zero seconds by the > One > > > Movie Producer. And " The One Movie " is the physical universe. All > > of it. > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > > Whew! Thank God God isn't dead. ~ > > > > > > > That's why Jesus said (or, rather, is saying now, because Jesus is > > created now as a part of the One Movie): " I and the Father are one " > > > > It is very fortunate that God is producing the movie. We can be > > co-directors, but ultimately, it is God who materialize every single > > quark in the universe with laser-sharp precision, moment by moment. > > Every single particle is connected to all other particles in the > > universe. It's a very, very advanced movie. So don't try to produce > > the Movie all by yourself. > > > > As in the example of the Matrix move. Isn't it true that the > Wachowski > > brothers directed this movie some years ago? Yes, but this is only > > true from a limited perspective. The full truth is that the ENTIRE > > universe INCLUDING the entire history record from the Big Bang to > the > > present moment comes into being INSTANTLY. So God, creates the > entire > > One Movie in zero " seconds " in the now, and that movie contains the > > Wachowski brothers making the Matrix movie and the entire history > > record of the universe. > > > > al. > > God create something....a movie....or whatever...? > > > maybe with the energy of God....one can dream about movies.....or > whatever imagination..... > the only one " who " is responsible for the " illusory " movie is the ego > mind......... > don't think that God is responsible for anything what happen in " our " > dreams.... > > when the dream end....there is God remaining.....means, awareness of > all the dreamed...past....future.....dimensions....or whatever > > we should watch the movie....yes...why not....let's do it with > consciousness....of the real energy behind...... > > without light....no movie..... > > Regards and love > > Marc > I meant by the " movie " everything. From the blood that your heart pumps, to your thoughts and emotions, to the computer monitor in front of you, to the sun, the birds, the stars... al. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 31, 2005 - ADHHUB Nisargadatta Sunday, October 30, 2005 10:07 PM Re: Re: The Enlightenment Question In a message dated 10/30/2005 6:25:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, anders_lindman writes: My hope is that my body is " just " a 3D holographic projection. A very advanced projection, because in a hologram, every part contains some version of the whole. If true, it means that I can perhaps someday be able to alter this projection called the body into a younger body, or into something else, or into an older body too for that matter. A holographic projection cannot die, it is just pure " information " . al. Did God get lost in that equation? Phil Is God every lost in any equation, I think not. ;-) the thinking may think so, no? ;-) Ana Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 31, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 10/30/2005 9:17:43 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > > > anders_lindman writes: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 10/30/2005 6:25:16 PM Pacific Standard > > Time, > > > > > anders_lindman writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My hope is that my body is " just " a 3D holographic > > projection. A > > > very > > > > > advanced projection, because in a hologram, every part > > contains > > > some > > > > > version of the whole. If true, it means that I can perhaps > > > someday be > > > > > able to alter this projection called the body into a younger > > > body, or > > > > > into something else, or into an older body too for that > > matter. A > > > > > holographic projection cannot die, it is just > > pure " information " . > > > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did God get lost in that equation? > > > > > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > O no, God cannot be lost. God is the One Movie Producer, the > > > > Unmoved Mover, the Central Sun, the One Awareness. What we are > > > > experiencing now is God in action. > > > > > > > > Look at the computer monitor in front of you. It exists now and > > only > > > > now. The computer monitor has not been manufactured by people in > > some > > > > factory. There are no people. :-) All " stuff " is Maya! The > > computer > > > > monitor in front of you is " only " a part of the 3D holographic > > Kosmic > > > > Movie called the physical universe. > > > > > > > > As the little kid said in the Matrix movie: " There is no spoon " > > > > > > > > The Matrix movie has not been produced and directed in the past, > > it is > > > > produced NOW and only now in the " time " of zero seconds by the > > One > > > > Movie Producer. And " The One Movie " is the physical universe. All > > > of it. > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whew! Thank God God isn't dead. ~ > > > > > > > > > > That's why Jesus said (or, rather, is saying now, because Jesus is > > > created now as a part of the One Movie): " I and the Father are one " > > > > > > It is very fortunate that God is producing the movie. We can be > > > co-directors, but ultimately, it is God who materialize every single > > > quark in the universe with laser-sharp precision, moment by moment. > > > Every single particle is connected to all other particles in the > > > universe. It's a very, very advanced movie. So don't try to produce > > > the Movie all by yourself. > > > > > > As in the example of the Matrix move. Isn't it true that the > > Wachowski > > > brothers directed this movie some years ago? Yes, but this is only > > > true from a limited perspective. The full truth is that the ENTIRE > > > universe INCLUDING the entire history record from the Big Bang to > > the > > > present moment comes into being INSTANTLY. So God, creates the > > entire > > > One Movie in zero " seconds " in the now, and that movie contains the > > > Wachowski brothers making the Matrix movie and the entire history > > > record of the universe. > > > > > > al. > > > > God create something....a movie....or whatever...? > > > > > > maybe with the energy of God....one can dream about movies.....or > > whatever imagination..... > > the only one " who " is responsible for the " illusory " movie is the ego > > mind......... > > don't think that God is responsible for anything what happen in " our " > > dreams.... > > > > when the dream end....there is God remaining.....means, awareness of > > all the dreamed...past....future.....dimensions....or whatever > > > > we should watch the movie....yes...why not....let's do it with > > consciousness....of the real energy behind...... > > > > without light....no movie..... > > > > Regards and love > > > > Marc > > > > > I meant by the " movie " everything. From the blood that your heart > pumps, to your thoughts and emotions, to the computer monitor in front > of you, to the sun, the birds, the stars... > > al. sure.... " everything " is encluded in the imagination of this your " movie " perception....... This movie...is God.......if one " see " all the details.....there is no more " movie " ....but only God..... creation of whatever.....never realy happened Regards and love Marc > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 31, 2005 - ADHHUB Nisargadatta Monday, October 31, 2005 12:19 AM Re: Re: The Enlightenment Question In a message dated 10/30/2005 8:15:17 PM Pacific Standard Time, nli10u writes: > You selectively believe the words that flow only through the 'enlightened > masters' that > coincide with your own misconceptions. > > The master tells a student that the Self is everything and nothing. > > The student takes this literally....and feels quite comfortable in its own > imagined vastness. > > > toombaru > > > > You do? > Then maybe you should consider that the ego will not be able to project > itself into the Absolute. There will be no individual to experience this. Sorry > bout that. > > Phil Oh..........you were thinking that the 'ego' actually exists. Now I understand your confusion. toombaru Double timed in quick time, sidestepped in two steps.. confused to exclude, ego there go, ergo I go. :-0 Hehe. Yer gooood. hehe, I know bs ;-) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 31, 2005 - ADHHUB Nisargadatta Monday, October 31, 2005 12:28 AM Re: Re: The Enlightenment Question In a message dated 10/30/2005 9:07:23 PM Pacific Standard Time, anders_lindman writes: Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote: > > > In a message dated 10/30/2005 6:02:05 PM Pacific Standard Time, > anders_lindman writes: > > > Yes, maybe intuition is a link between thinking based of past memories > and novelty. > > al. > > > > What does " novelty " mean in this context? > > Phil > When we compare a thought with our existing memory, we can see if the thought has some new information or not in it. If I suddenly remember that I have to pay my bills, then that thought has no or very little novelty. If I have a thought that makes me solve a problem I have been thinking about for a while, then that thought can be said to bring some new insight, some novelty. al. That is called a paradigm, a new thought form, an evolution of thinking, if you will. All advances have been the result of stepping out of the box, and entering a paradigm heretofore unknown. Ana Oh, okay. Thanks. I agree then. Phil Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 31, 2005 - ADHHUB Nisargadatta Monday, October 31, 2005 12:30 AM Re: Re: The Enlightenment Question In a message dated 10/30/2005 9:17:43 PM Pacific Standard Time, anders_lindman writes: Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote: > > > In a message dated 10/30/2005 6:25:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, > anders_lindman writes: > > > My hope is that my body is " just " a 3D holographic projection. A very > advanced projection, because in a hologram, every part contains some > version of the whole. If true, it means that I can perhaps someday be > able to alter this projection called the body into a younger body, or > into something else, or into an older body too for that matter. A > holographic projection cannot die, it is just pure " information " . > > al. > > > > Did God get lost in that equation? > > Phil > O no, God cannot be lost. God is the One Movie Producer, the Unmoved Mover, the Central Sun, the One Awareness. What we are experiencing now is God in action. Look at the computer monitor in front of you. It exists now and only now. The computer monitor has not been manufactured by people in some factory. There are no people. :-) All " stuff " is Maya! The computer monitor in front of you is " only " a part of the 3D holographic Kosmic Movie called the physical universe. As the little kid said in the Matrix movie: " There is no spoon " The Matrix movie has not been produced and directed in the past, it is produced NOW and only now in the " time " of zero seconds by the One Movie Producer. And " The One Movie " is the physical universe. All of it. al. Whew! Thank God God isn't dead. ~ Sheesh, how could I read what 'you' wrote? Sheesh! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
