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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote:

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 10/30/2005 9:25:16 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> > cptc@w... writes:

> >

> >

> > Conceptual thought is the overlay that occurs within the frontal

cortex of

> > the human brain.

> >

> > It is really an amazing lens and offers consciousness infinite new

> > possibilities.............................save one..........the

ability to

> > see itself.

> >

> >

> > toombaru

> >

> >

> >

> > You ARE seeing yourself. Look around you; it's all your creation.

What

> > you're having difficulty with is knowing yourself to BE that.

> >

> > Phil

> >

>

> That.........is new age..... egoic grandiosity.

>

> The 'self' imagines itself to the the king of its own imaginary kingdom.

>

> Look for this king......when the body dies.

>

>

> toombaru

>

 

 

My hope is that my body is " just " a 3D holographic projection. A very

advanced projection, because in a hologram, every part contains some

version of the whole. If true, it means that I can perhaps someday be

able to alter this projection called the body into a younger body, or

into something else, or into an older body too for that matter. A

holographic projection cannot die, it is just pure " information " . :)

 

al.

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In a message dated 10/30/2005 11:38:05 PM Pacific Standard Time,

cptc writes:

 

> > You selectively believe the words that flow only through the

> 'enlightened masters' that

> > coincide with your own misconceptions.

> >

 

> > The master tells a student that the Self is everything and nothing.

> >

> > The student takes this literally....and feels quite comfortable in

its

> own imagined

> vastness.

> >

> >

> > toombaru

> >

> >

> > Comfortably numb?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > **

> >

>

>

>

> Comfortably dead.

>

>

>

>

>

> My condolences.

>

 

 

 

 

My.........My..........me.............me..............mine.............

 

me.........me................me......me me.........me me.

 

chorus:

 

Me me me.....me me...............me me

 

 

(Egoic durge)

 

 

 

 

 

Heheeee. Do YOU have any idea what a downer YOU are? :)~

 

 

 

 

 

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ADHHUB

Nisargadatta

Sunday, October 30, 2005 7:58 PM

Re: Re: The Enlightenment Question

 

 

 

In a message dated 10/30/2005 4:23:20 PM Pacific Standard Time,

cptc writes:

 

Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 10/30/2005 4:06:43 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> cptc@w... writes:

>

> > So every enlightened master who speaks of Self as the totality of

> everything

> > and nothing is trapped in ego fantasy? Hmmmm, interesting approach.

How's

> > that working for ya?

> >

> > Phil

> >

>

>

>

> You selectively believe the words that flow only through the 'enlightened

 

> masters' that

> coincide with your own misconceptions.

>

> The master tells a student that the Self is everything and nothing.

>

> The student takes this literally....and feels quite comfortable in its

own

> imagined vastness.

>

>

> toombaru

>

>

>

> You do?

> Then maybe you should consider that the ego will not be able to project

> itself into the Absolute. There will be no individual to experience this.

Sorry

> bout that.

>

> Phil

 

Oh..........you were thinking that the 'ego' actually exists.

 

Now I understand your confusion.

 

 

toombaru

 

 

 

 

 

Who is it that understands this confusion, please?

 

Phil

 

 

Weeeeellll, that's a deep subject and ends in a bottomless echo called

toombaru...

 

Smiles,

Ana

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 10/30/2005 5:47:13 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> anders_lindman writes:

>

>

> Werner, from my point of view I don't know if you are aware or only in

> my imagination. Your rational ideas will get me nowhere.

>

> al.

>

>

>

> What sort of awareness are you suggesting here?

>

> Phil

>

 

I know that I am aware, but I don't know if anyone else in the

" external " world is aware.

 

If George W. Bush is standing on the moon and starts waving his hands,

it will take approximately one second before I notice that here on

earth. Is then George W. Bush's " awareness " one second ahead of me, or

one second behind me in " time " ?

 

al.

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Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 10/30/2005 6:02:05 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> anders_lindman writes:

>

>

> Yes, maybe intuition is a link between thinking based of past memories

> and novelty.

>

> al.

>

>

>

> What does " novelty " mean in this context?

>

> Phil

>

 

When we compare a thought with our existing memory, we can see if the

thought has some new information or not in it. If I suddenly remember

that I have to pay my bills, then that thought has no or very little

novelty. If I have a thought that makes me solve a problem I have been

thinking about for a while, then that thought can be said to bring

some new insight, some novelty.

 

al.

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Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 10/30/2005 6:25:16 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> anders_lindman writes:

>

>

> My hope is that my body is " just " a 3D holographic projection. A very

> advanced projection, because in a hologram, every part contains some

> version of the whole. If true, it means that I can perhaps someday be

> able to alter this projection called the body into a younger body, or

> into something else, or into an older body too for that matter. A

> holographic projection cannot die, it is just pure " information " . :)

>

> al.

>

>

>

> Did God get lost in that equation?

>

> Phil

>

 

O no, God cannot be lost. :) God is the One Movie Producer, the

Unmoved Mover, the Central Sun, the One Awareness. What we are

experiencing now is God in action.

 

Look at the computer monitor in front of you. It exists now and only

now. The computer monitor has not been manufactured by people in some

factory. There are no people. :-) All " stuff " is Maya! The computer

monitor in front of you is " only " a part of the 3D holographic Kosmic

Movie called the physical universe.

 

As the little kid said in the Matrix movie: " There is no spoon "

 

The Matrix movie has not been produced and directed in the past, it is

produced NOW and only now in the " time " of zero seconds by the One

Movie Producer. And " The One Movie " is the physical universe. All of it.

 

al.

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Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 10/30/2005 9:17:43 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> anders_lindman writes:

>

> Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote:

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 10/30/2005 6:25:16 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> > anders_lindman writes:

> >

> >

> > My hope is that my body is " just " a 3D holographic projection. A

very

> > advanced projection, because in a hologram, every part contains

some

> > version of the whole. If true, it means that I can perhaps

someday be

> > able to alter this projection called the body into a younger

body, or

> > into something else, or into an older body too for that matter. A

> > holographic projection cannot die, it is just pure " information " . :)

> >

> > al.

> >

> >

> >

> > Did God get lost in that equation?

> >

> > Phil

> >

>

> O no, God cannot be lost. :) God is the One Movie Producer, the

> Unmoved Mover, the Central Sun, the One Awareness. What we are

> experiencing now is God in action.

>

> Look at the computer monitor in front of you. It exists now and only

> now. The computer monitor has not been manufactured by people in some

> factory. There are no people. :-) All " stuff " is Maya! The computer

> monitor in front of you is " only " a part of the 3D holographic Kosmic

> Movie called the physical universe.

>

> As the little kid said in the Matrix movie: " There is no spoon "

>

> The Matrix movie has not been produced and directed in the past, it is

> produced NOW and only now in the " time " of zero seconds by the One

> Movie Producer. And " The One Movie " is the physical universe. All

of it.

>

> al.

>

>

>

> Whew! Thank God God isn't dead. :)~

>

 

That's why Jesus said (or, rather, is saying now, because Jesus is

created now as a part of the One Movie): " I and the Father are one "

 

It is very fortunate that God is producing the movie. We can be

co-directors, but ultimately, it is God who materialize every single

quark in the universe with laser-sharp precision, moment by moment.

Every single particle is connected to all other particles in the

universe. It's a very, very advanced movie. So don't try to produce

the Movie all by yourself.

 

As in the example of the Matrix move. Isn't it true that the Wachowski

brothers directed this movie some years ago? Yes, but this is only

true from a limited perspective. The full truth is that the ENTIRE

universe INCLUDING the entire history record from the Big Bang to the

present moment comes into being INSTANTLY. So God, creates the entire

One Movie in zero " seconds " in the now, and that movie contains the

Wachowski brothers making the Matrix movie and the entire history

record of the universe.

 

al.

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Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 10/30/2005 6:02:02 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> cptc@w... writes:

>

> B) Truth can be known only by being that Truth. All else is a shadow of

> > Truth, and therefore untrue. Every written word is a lie and we like it

> that way.

>

>

> Actually 'truth' does not exist.

>

> Can you think of a truth in nature?

>

>

>

> Item B does not say that truth exists. At least, I don't see where it says

> that. Where does it say that?

>

>

>

 

 

 

Read item B again.

 

 

>

>

>

>

> > Given these understandings, possibly, we can allow those mind/ego

> mechanisms

> > who choose to write things,

> Nope........what is written is written through.... not by...the sense of

> separation.

>

>

>

> Heheeee. Okay, rephrasing:

>

> " Can we allow the totality of All That Is to express through the human

> mechanisms on this forum which seemingly results in the temporally framed

illusion

> of character generation and symbolic representation " ...........are you a

> lawyer??

>

>

 

'We' can allow nothing.

We are merely the machinery through which consciousness expresses its self.

 

 

 

>

>

>

>

>

> Alas........even 'sages' have no choice.......

>

> Boom! There it is!

> It is what it is.

>

> Phil

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

Indeed.

 

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 10/30/2005 6:25:16 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> anders_lindman writes:

>

>

> My hope is that my body is " just " a 3D holographic projection. A very

> advanced projection, because in a hologram, every part contains some

> version of the whole. If true, it means that I can perhaps someday be

> able to alter this projection called the body into a younger body, or

> into something else, or into an older body too for that matter. A

> holographic projection cannot die, it is just pure " information " . :)

>

> al.

>

>

>

> Did God get lost in that equation?

>

> Phil

>

 

 

Factor out the identified entity......and the whole question evaporates.

 

 

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote:

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>

> -

> toombaru2004

> Nisargadatta

> Sunday, October 30, 2005 7:05 PM

> Re: The Enlightenment Question

>

>

> Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote:

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 10/30/2005 2:41:43 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> > cptc@w... writes:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > toombaru2004

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Sunday, October 30, 2005 5:27 PM

> > > Re: The Enlightenment Question

> > >

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > In a message dated 10/30/2005 9:25:16 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> > > > cptc@w... writes:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Conceptual thought is the overlay that occurs within the frontal

> > cortex of

> > > > the human brain.

> > > >

> > > > It is really an amazing lens and offers consciousness infinite new

> > > > possibilities.............................save one..........the

> > ability to

> > > > see itself.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > toombaru

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > You ARE seeing yourself. Look around you; it's all your creation.

What

> >

> > > > you're having difficulty with is knowing yourself to BE that.

> > > >

> > > > Phil

> > > >

> > >

> > > That.........is new age..... egoic grandiosity.

> > >

> > > The 'self' imagines itself to the the king of its own imaginary

kingdom.

> > >

> > > Look for this king......when the body dies.

> > >

> > >

> > > toombaru

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > how can " you " be so certain,

> > > of knowing or imagining now or then? Hmmm?

> > >

> > > Ana

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > **

> > >

> >

> >

> > Only the ego speaks of being everything.

> >

> >

> >

> > toombaru

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > So every enlightened master who speaks of Self as the totality of

everything

> > and nothing is trapped in ego fantasy? Hmmmm, interesting approach. How's

> > that working for ya?

> >

> > Phil

> >

>

>

>

> You selectively believe the words that flow only through the 'enlightened

masters' that

> coincide with your own misconceptions.

>

> The master tells a student that the Self is everything and nothing.

>

> The student takes this literally....and feels quite comfortable in its own

imagined

vastness.

>

>

> toombaru

>

>

> Comfortably numb?

>

>

>

**

>

 

 

 

Comfortably dead.

 

 

 

 

t

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote:

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 10/30/2005 6:02:02 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> > cptc@w... writes:

> >

> > B) Truth can be known only by being that Truth. All else is a

shadow of

> > > Truth, and therefore untrue. Every written word is a lie and we

like it

> > that way.

> >

> >

> > Actually 'truth' does not exist.

> >

> > Can you think of a truth in nature?

> >

> >

> >

> > Item B does not say that truth exists. At least, I don't see where

it says

> > that. Where does it say that?

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> Read item B again.

>

>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > Given these understandings, possibly, we can allow those mind/ego

> > mechanisms

> > > who choose to write things,

> > Nope........what is written is written through.... not by...the

sense of

> > separation.

> >

> >

> >

> > Heheeee. Okay, rephrasing:

> >

> > " Can we allow the totality of All That Is to express through the

human

> > mechanisms on this forum which seemingly results in the temporally

framed illusion

> > of character generation and symbolic representation " ...........are

you a

> > lawyer??

> >

> >

>

> 'We' can allow nothing.

> We are merely the machinery through which consciousness expresses

its self.

 

Exactly. We have the 'pseudo' capacity for creation but ultimately it

is God who is the One Producer.

 

al.

 

>

>

>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Alas........even 'sages' have no choice.......

> >

> > Boom! There it is!

> > It is what it is.

> >

> > Phil

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

> Indeed.

>

>

> toombaru

>

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Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

<anders_lindman> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > In a message dated 10/30/2005 6:02:02 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> > > cptc@w... writes:

> > >

> > > B) Truth can be known only by being that Truth. All else is a

> shadow of

> > > > Truth, and therefore untrue. Every written word is a lie and we

> like it

> > > that way.

> > >

> > >

> > > Actually 'truth' does not exist.

> > >

> > > Can you think of a truth in nature?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Item B does not say that truth exists. At least, I don't see where

> it says

> > > that. Where does it say that?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > Read item B again.

> >

> >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > Given these understandings, possibly, we can allow those

mind/ego

> > > mechanisms

> > > > who choose to write things,

> > > Nope........what is written is written through.... not by...the

> sense of

> > > separation.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Heheeee. Okay, rephrasing:

> > >

> > > " Can we allow the totality of All That Is to express through the

> human

> > > mechanisms on this forum which seemingly results in the temporally

> framed illusion

> > > of character generation and symbolic representation " ...........are

> you a

> > > lawyer??

> > >

> > >

> >

> > 'We' can allow nothing.

> > We are merely the machinery through which consciousness expresses

> its self.

>

> Exactly. We have the 'pseudo' capacity for creation but ultimately it

> is God who is the One Producer.

>

> al.

>

 

And so, enlightenment is perhaps the realization that one IS the One

Producer.

 

al.

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Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman>

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

> <anders_lindman> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > In a message dated 10/30/2005 6:02:02 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> > > > cptc@w... writes:

> > > >

> > > > B) Truth can be known only by being that Truth. All else is a

> > shadow of

> > > > > Truth, and therefore untrue. Every written word is a lie and we

> > like it

> > > > that way.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Actually 'truth' does not exist.

> > > >

> > > > Can you think of a truth in nature?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Item B does not say that truth exists. At least, I don't see where

> > it says

> > > > that. Where does it say that?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Read item B again.

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Given these understandings, possibly, we can allow those

> mind/ego

> > > > mechanisms

> > > > > who choose to write things,

> > > > Nope........what is written is written through.... not by...the

> > sense of

> > > > separation.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Heheeee. Okay, rephrasing:

> > > >

> > > > " Can we allow the totality of All That Is to express through the

> > human

> > > > mechanisms on this forum which seemingly results in the temporally

> > framed illusion

> > > > of character generation and symbolic representation " ...........are

> > you a

> > > > lawyer??

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > 'We' can allow nothing.

> > > We are merely the machinery through which consciousness expresses

> > its self.

> >

> > Exactly. We have the 'pseudo' capacity for creation but ultimately it

> > is God who is the One Producer.

> >

> > al.

> >

>

> And so, enlightenment is perhaps the realization that one IS the One

> Producer.

>

> al.

>

 

 

 

No.

 

It is the release from constriction of identification.

 

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 10/30/2005 9:46:01 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> anders_lindman writes:

>

> >

> > Whew! Thank God God isn't dead. :)~

> >

>

> That's why Jesus said (or, rather, is saying now, because Jesus is

> created now as a part of the One Movie): " I and the Father are one "

>

> It is very fortunate that God is producing the movie. We can be

> co-directors, but ultimately, it is God who materialize every single

> quark in the universe with laser-sharp precision, moment by moment.

> Every single particle is connected to all other particles in the

> universe. It's a very, very advanced movie. So don't try to produce

> the Movie all by yourself.

>

> As in the example of the Matrix move. Isn't it true that the Wachowski

> brothers directed this movie some years ago? Yes, but this is only

> true from a limited perspective. The full truth is that the ENTIRE

> universe INCLUDING the entire history record from the Big Bang to the

> present moment comes into being INSTANTLY. So God, creates the entire

> One Movie in zero " seconds " in the now, and that movie contains the

> Wachowski brothers making the Matrix movie and the entire history

> record of the universe.

>

> al.

>

>

>

> I can't say it how I see it, but what if I were to tell you that God creates

> a whole universe just for you in every moment? Each of us has our very own

> universe and these universes interact according to fields of consciousness,

> and it all 'occurs' within a single consciousness. In this way, your

experiences

> are the perfection of your own individualized evolution of awareness,

> regardless of what 'others' seem to be doing. How does that sound?

>

> Phil

>

 

 

When the discriminating mind searches within its self for answers to self

referential

questions....only further confusion can result.

 

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 10/30/2005 9:46:01 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> anders_lindman writes:

>

> >

> > Whew! Thank God God isn't dead. :)~

> >

>

> That's why Jesus said (or, rather, is saying now, because Jesus is

> created now as a part of the One Movie): " I and the Father are one "

>

> It is very fortunate that God is producing the movie. We can be

> co-directors, but ultimately, it is God who materialize every single

> quark in the universe with laser-sharp precision, moment by moment.

> Every single particle is connected to all other particles in the

> universe. It's a very, very advanced movie. So don't try to produce

> the Movie all by yourself.

>

> As in the example of the Matrix move. Isn't it true that the Wachowski

> brothers directed this movie some years ago? Yes, but this is only

> true from a limited perspective. The full truth is that the ENTIRE

> universe INCLUDING the entire history record from the Big Bang to the

> present moment comes into being INSTANTLY. So God, creates the entire

> One Movie in zero " seconds " in the now, and that movie contains the

> Wachowski brothers making the Matrix movie and the entire history

> record of the universe.

>

> al.

>

>

>

> I can't say it how I see it, but what if I were to tell you that God

creates

> a whole universe just for you in every moment? Each of us has our

very own

> universe and these universes interact according to fields of

consciousness,

> and it all 'occurs' within a single consciousness. In this way, your

experiences

> are the perfection of your own individualized evolution of awareness,

> regardless of what 'others' seem to be doing. How does that sound?

>

> Phil

>

>

 

 

I believe we are more like facets in God. As a facet, we are the

entire universe, but all human facets are synchronized into the same

planetary reality (unless someone takes LSD or something). What we

need now is for God to kick-start the Gaia Producer (planetary

consciousness), so that the mess on this planet can be sorted out.

 

I have posted this before, but I think it is a good illustration of a

human 'facet': http://www.headless.org/English/movies.htm

 

al.

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>

> Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote:

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 10/30/2005 9:46:01 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> > anders_lindman writes:

> >

> > >

> > > Whew! Thank God God isn't dead. :)~

> > >

> >

> > That's why Jesus said (or, rather, is saying now, because Jesus is

> > created now as a part of the One Movie): " I and the Father are one "

> >

> > It is very fortunate that God is producing the movie. We can be

> > co-directors, but ultimately, it is God who materialize every single

> > quark in the universe with laser-sharp precision, moment by moment.

> > Every single particle is connected to all other particles in the

> > universe. It's a very, very advanced movie. So don't try to produce

> > the Movie all by yourself.

> >

> > As in the example of the Matrix move. Isn't it true that the Wachowski

> > brothers directed this movie some years ago? Yes, but this is only

> > true from a limited perspective. The full truth is that the ENTIRE

> > universe INCLUDING the entire history record from the Big Bang to the

> > present moment comes into being INSTANTLY. So God, creates the entire

> > One Movie in zero " seconds " in the now, and that movie contains the

> > Wachowski brothers making the Matrix movie and the entire history

> > record of the universe.

> >

> > al.

> >

> >

> >

> > I can't say it how I see it, but what if I were to tell you that God

> creates

> > a whole universe just for you in every moment? Each of us has our

> very own

> > universe and these universes interact according to fields of

> consciousness,

> > and it all 'occurs' within a single consciousness. In this way, your

> experiences

> > are the perfection of your own individualized evolution of awareness,

> > regardless of what 'others' seem to be doing. How does that sound?

> >

> > Phil

> >

> >

>

>

> I believe we are more like facets in God. As a facet, we are the

> entire universe, but all human facets are synchronized into the same

> planetary reality (unless someone takes LSD or something). What we

> need now is for God to kick-start the Gaia Producer (planetary

> consciousness), so that the mess on this planet can be sorted out......

 

 

 

 

........so it will be a safer place for the delusional identified entity to serve

out its allotted

time.

 

****************************************************************

 

 

Whoever makes a mess....should clean it up.

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 10/30/2005 10:04:07 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> cptc@w... writes:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > -

> > toombaru2004

> > Nisargadatta

> > Sunday, October 30, 2005 7:05 PM

> > Re: The Enlightenment Question

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > In a message dated 10/30/2005 2:41:43 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> > > cptc@w... writes:

> > >

> > > --- In Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...>

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > toombaru2004

> > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > Sunday, October 30, 2005 5:27 PM

> > > > Re: The Enlightenment Question

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > In a message dated 10/30/2005 9:25:16 AM Pacific Standard Time,

>

> > > > > cptc@w... writes:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Conceptual thought is the overlay that occurs within the

> frontal

> > > cortex of

> > > > > the human brain.

> > > > >

> > > > > It is really an amazing lens and offers consciousness

> infinite new

> > > > > possibilities.............................save

> one..........the

> > > ability to

> > > > > see itself.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > toombaru

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > You ARE seeing yourself. Look around you; it's all your

> creation. What

> > >

> > > > > you're having difficulty with is knowing yourself to BE that.

> > > > >

> > > > > Phil

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > That.........is new age..... egoic grandiosity.

> > > >

> > > > The 'self' imagines itself to the the king of its own imaginary

> kingdom.

> > > >

> > > > Look for this king......when the body dies.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > toombaru

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > how can " you " be so certain,

> > > > of knowing or imagining now or then? Hmmm?

> > > >

> > > > Ana

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > **

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Only the ego speaks of being everything.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > toombaru

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > So every enlightened master who speaks of Self as the totality of

> everything

> > > and nothing is trapped in ego fantasy? Hmmmm, interesting approach.

> How's

> > > that working for ya?

> > >

> > > Phil

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > You selectively believe the words that flow only through the

> 'enlightened masters' that

> > coincide with your own misconceptions.

> >

> > The master tells a student that the Self is everything and nothing.

> >

> > The student takes this literally....and feels quite comfortable in its

> own imagined

> vastness.

> >

> >

> > toombaru

> >

> >

> > Comfortably numb?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > **

> >

>

>

>

> Comfortably dead.

>

>

>

>

>

> My condolences.

>

 

 

 

 

My.........My..........me.............me..............mine.............

 

me.........me................me......me me.........me me.

 

chorus:

 

Me me me.....me me...............me me

 

 

(Egoic durge)

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

<anders_lindman> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > In a message dated 10/30/2005 9:46:01 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> > > anders_lindman writes:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Whew! Thank God God isn't dead. :)~

> > > >

> > >

> > > That's why Jesus said (or, rather, is saying now, because Jesus is

> > > created now as a part of the One Movie): " I and the Father are one "

> > >

> > > It is very fortunate that God is producing the movie. We can be

> > > co-directors, but ultimately, it is God who materialize every

single

> > > quark in the universe with laser-sharp precision, moment by moment.

> > > Every single particle is connected to all other particles in the

> > > universe. It's a very, very advanced movie. So don't try to produce

> > > the Movie all by yourself.

> > >

> > > As in the example of the Matrix move. Isn't it true that the

Wachowski

> > > brothers directed this movie some years ago? Yes, but this is only

> > > true from a limited perspective. The full truth is that the ENTIRE

> > > universe INCLUDING the entire history record from the Big Bang

to the

> > > present moment comes into being INSTANTLY. So God, creates the

entire

> > > One Movie in zero " seconds " in the now, and that movie contains the

> > > Wachowski brothers making the Matrix movie and the entire history

> > > record of the universe.

> > >

> > > al.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I can't say it how I see it, but what if I were to tell you that God

> > creates

> > > a whole universe just for you in every moment? Each of us has our

> > very own

> > > universe and these universes interact according to fields of

> > consciousness,

> > > and it all 'occurs' within a single consciousness. In this way, your

> > experiences

> > > are the perfection of your own individualized evolution of

awareness,

> > > regardless of what 'others' seem to be doing. How does that sound?

> > >

> > > Phil

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > I believe we are more like facets in God. As a facet, we are the

> > entire universe, but all human facets are synchronized into the same

> > planetary reality (unless someone takes LSD or something). What we

> > need now is for God to kick-start the Gaia Producer (planetary

> > consciousness), so that the mess on this planet can be sorted

out......

>

>

>

>

> .......so it will be a safer place for the delusional identified

entity to serve out its allotted

> time.

>

> ****************************************************************

>

>

> Whoever makes a mess....should clean it up.

>

> toombaru

>

 

 

God is working on it. It is not a simple task to create this " movie "

we call the universe. What looks like mess is perhaps only a state of

metamorphosis.

 

al.

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Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

<anders_lindman> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote:

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 10/30/2005 9:17:43 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> > anders_lindman writes:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > In a message dated 10/30/2005 6:25:16 PM Pacific Standard

Time,

> > > anders_lindman writes:

> > >

> > >

> > > My hope is that my body is " just " a 3D holographic

projection. A

> very

> > > advanced projection, because in a hologram, every part

contains

> some

> > > version of the whole. If true, it means that I can perhaps

> someday be

> > > able to alter this projection called the body into a younger

> body, or

> > > into something else, or into an older body too for that

matter. A

> > > holographic projection cannot die, it is just

pure " information " . :)

> > >

> > > al.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Did God get lost in that equation?

> > >

> > > Phil

> > >

> >

> > O no, God cannot be lost. :) God is the One Movie Producer, the

> > Unmoved Mover, the Central Sun, the One Awareness. What we are

> > experiencing now is God in action.

> >

> > Look at the computer monitor in front of you. It exists now and

only

> > now. The computer monitor has not been manufactured by people in

some

> > factory. There are no people. :-) All " stuff " is Maya! The

computer

> > monitor in front of you is " only " a part of the 3D holographic

Kosmic

> > Movie called the physical universe.

> >

> > As the little kid said in the Matrix movie: " There is no spoon "

> >

> > The Matrix movie has not been produced and directed in the past,

it is

> > produced NOW and only now in the " time " of zero seconds by the

One

> > Movie Producer. And " The One Movie " is the physical universe. All

> of it.

> >

> > al.

> >

> >

> >

> > Whew! Thank God God isn't dead. :)~

> >

>

> That's why Jesus said (or, rather, is saying now, because Jesus is

> created now as a part of the One Movie): " I and the Father are one "

>

> It is very fortunate that God is producing the movie. We can be

> co-directors, but ultimately, it is God who materialize every single

> quark in the universe with laser-sharp precision, moment by moment.

> Every single particle is connected to all other particles in the

> universe. It's a very, very advanced movie. So don't try to produce

> the Movie all by yourself.

>

> As in the example of the Matrix move. Isn't it true that the

Wachowski

> brothers directed this movie some years ago? Yes, but this is only

> true from a limited perspective. The full truth is that the ENTIRE

> universe INCLUDING the entire history record from the Big Bang to

the

> present moment comes into being INSTANTLY. So God, creates the

entire

> One Movie in zero " seconds " in the now, and that movie contains the

> Wachowski brothers making the Matrix movie and the entire history

> record of the universe.

>

> al.

 

God create something....a movie....or whatever...?

 

 

maybe with the energy of God....one can dream about movies.....or

whatever imagination.....

the only one " who " is responsible for the " illusory " movie is the ego

mind.........

don't think that God is responsible for anything what happen in " our "

dreams....:)

 

when the dream end....there is God remaining.....means, awareness of

all the dreamed...past....future.....dimensions....or whatever

 

we should watch the movie....yes...why not....let's do it with

consciousness....of the real energy behind......

 

without light....no movie.....

 

Regards and love

 

Marc

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

>

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

> <anders_lindman> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > In a message dated 10/30/2005 9:17:43 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> > > anders_lindman writes:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > In a message dated 10/30/2005 6:25:16 PM Pacific Standard

> Time,

> > > > anders_lindman writes:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > My hope is that my body is " just " a 3D holographic

> projection. A

> > very

> > > > advanced projection, because in a hologram, every part

> contains

> > some

> > > > version of the whole. If true, it means that I can perhaps

> > someday be

> > > > able to alter this projection called the body into a younger

> > body, or

> > > > into something else, or into an older body too for that

> matter. A

> > > > holographic projection cannot die, it is just

> pure " information " . :)

> > > >

> > > > al.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Did God get lost in that equation?

> > > >

> > > > Phil

> > > >

> > >

> > > O no, God cannot be lost. :) God is the One Movie Producer, the

> > > Unmoved Mover, the Central Sun, the One Awareness. What we are

> > > experiencing now is God in action.

> > >

> > > Look at the computer monitor in front of you. It exists now and

> only

> > > now. The computer monitor has not been manufactured by people in

> some

> > > factory. There are no people. :-) All " stuff " is Maya! The

> computer

> > > monitor in front of you is " only " a part of the 3D holographic

> Kosmic

> > > Movie called the physical universe.

> > >

> > > As the little kid said in the Matrix movie: " There is no spoon "

> > >

> > > The Matrix movie has not been produced and directed in the past,

> it is

> > > produced NOW and only now in the " time " of zero seconds by the

> One

> > > Movie Producer. And " The One Movie " is the physical universe. All

> > of it.

> > >

> > > al.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Whew! Thank God God isn't dead. :)~

> > >

> >

> > That's why Jesus said (or, rather, is saying now, because Jesus is

> > created now as a part of the One Movie): " I and the Father are one "

> >

> > It is very fortunate that God is producing the movie. We can be

> > co-directors, but ultimately, it is God who materialize every single

> > quark in the universe with laser-sharp precision, moment by moment.

> > Every single particle is connected to all other particles in the

> > universe. It's a very, very advanced movie. So don't try to produce

> > the Movie all by yourself.

> >

> > As in the example of the Matrix move. Isn't it true that the

> Wachowski

> > brothers directed this movie some years ago? Yes, but this is only

> > true from a limited perspective. The full truth is that the ENTIRE

> > universe INCLUDING the entire history record from the Big Bang to

> the

> > present moment comes into being INSTANTLY. So God, creates the

> entire

> > One Movie in zero " seconds " in the now, and that movie contains the

> > Wachowski brothers making the Matrix movie and the entire history

> > record of the universe.

> >

> > al.

>

> God create something....a movie....or whatever...?

>

>

> maybe with the energy of God....one can dream about movies.....or

> whatever imagination.....

> the only one " who " is responsible for the " illusory " movie is the ego

> mind.........

> don't think that God is responsible for anything what happen in " our "

> dreams....:)

>

> when the dream end....there is God remaining.....means, awareness of

> all the dreamed...past....future.....dimensions....or whatever

>

> we should watch the movie....yes...why not....let's do it with

> consciousness....of the real energy behind......

>

> without light....no movie.....

>

> Regards and love

>

> Marc

>

 

 

I meant by the " movie " everything. From the blood that your heart

pumps, to your thoughts and emotions, to the computer monitor in front

of you, to the sun, the birds, the stars...

 

al.

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Sunday, October 30, 2005 10:07 PM

Re: Re: The Enlightenment Question

 

 

 

In a message dated 10/30/2005 6:25:16 PM Pacific Standard Time,

anders_lindman writes:

 

 

My hope is that my body is " just " a 3D holographic projection. A very

advanced projection, because in a hologram, every part contains some

version of the whole. If true, it means that I can perhaps someday be

able to alter this projection called the body into a younger body, or

into something else, or into an older body too for that matter. A

holographic projection cannot die, it is just pure " information " . :)

 

al.

 

 

 

Did God get lost in that equation?

 

Phil

 

Is God every lost in any equation, I think not. ;-) the thinking may think so,

no? ;-)

Ana

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

<anders_lindman> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

> > <anders_lindman> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > In a message dated 10/30/2005 9:17:43 PM Pacific Standard

Time,

> > > > anders_lindman writes:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > In a message dated 10/30/2005 6:25:16 PM Pacific Standard

> > Time,

> > > > > anders_lindman writes:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > My hope is that my body is " just " a 3D holographic

> > projection. A

> > > very

> > > > > advanced projection, because in a hologram, every part

> > contains

> > > some

> > > > > version of the whole. If true, it means that I can perhaps

> > > someday be

> > > > > able to alter this projection called the body into a

younger

> > > body, or

> > > > > into something else, or into an older body too for that

> > matter. A

> > > > > holographic projection cannot die, it is just

> > pure " information " . :)

> > > > >

> > > > > al.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Did God get lost in that equation?

> > > > >

> > > > > Phil

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > O no, God cannot be lost. :) God is the One Movie Producer,

the

> > > > Unmoved Mover, the Central Sun, the One Awareness. What we

are

> > > > experiencing now is God in action.

> > > >

> > > > Look at the computer monitor in front of you. It exists now

and

> > only

> > > > now. The computer monitor has not been manufactured by

people in

> > some

> > > > factory. There are no people. :-) All " stuff " is Maya! The

> > computer

> > > > monitor in front of you is " only " a part of the 3D

holographic

> > Kosmic

> > > > Movie called the physical universe.

> > > >

> > > > As the little kid said in the Matrix movie: " There is no

spoon "

> > > >

> > > > The Matrix movie has not been produced and directed in the

past,

> > it is

> > > > produced NOW and only now in the " time " of zero seconds by

the

> > One

> > > > Movie Producer. And " The One Movie " is the physical

universe. All

> > > of it.

> > > >

> > > > al.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Whew! Thank God God isn't dead. :)~

> > > >

> > >

> > > That's why Jesus said (or, rather, is saying now, because Jesus

is

> > > created now as a part of the One Movie): " I and the Father are

one "

> > >

> > > It is very fortunate that God is producing the movie. We can be

> > > co-directors, but ultimately, it is God who materialize every

single

> > > quark in the universe with laser-sharp precision, moment by

moment.

> > > Every single particle is connected to all other particles in the

> > > universe. It's a very, very advanced movie. So don't try to

produce

> > > the Movie all by yourself.

> > >

> > > As in the example of the Matrix move. Isn't it true that the

> > Wachowski

> > > brothers directed this movie some years ago? Yes, but this is

only

> > > true from a limited perspective. The full truth is that the

ENTIRE

> > > universe INCLUDING the entire history record from the Big Bang

to

> > the

> > > present moment comes into being INSTANTLY. So God, creates the

> > entire

> > > One Movie in zero " seconds " in the now, and that movie contains

the

> > > Wachowski brothers making the Matrix movie and the entire

history

> > > record of the universe.

> > >

> > > al.

> >

> > God create something....a movie....or whatever...?

> >

> >

> > maybe with the energy of God....one can dream about movies.....or

> > whatever imagination.....

> > the only one " who " is responsible for the " illusory " movie is the

ego

> > mind.........

> > don't think that God is responsible for anything what happen

in " our "

> > dreams....:)

> >

> > when the dream end....there is God remaining.....means, awareness

of

> > all the dreamed...past....future.....dimensions....or whatever

> >

> > we should watch the movie....yes...why not....let's do it with

> > consciousness....of the real energy behind......

> >

> > without light....no movie.....

> >

> > Regards and love

> >

> > Marc

> >

>

>

> I meant by the " movie " everything. From the blood that your heart

> pumps, to your thoughts and emotions, to the computer monitor in

front

> of you, to the sun, the birds, the stars...

>

> al.

 

sure.... " everything " is encluded in the imagination of this

your " movie " perception.......

 

This movie...is God.......if one " see " all the details.....there is

no more " movie " ....but only God.....

creation of whatever.....never realy happened

 

Regards and love

 

Marc

>

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Monday, October 31, 2005 12:19 AM

Re: Re: The Enlightenment Question

 

 

 

In a message dated 10/30/2005 8:15:17 PM Pacific Standard Time,

nli10u writes:

 

> You selectively believe the words that flow only through the 'enlightened

 

> masters' that

> coincide with your own misconceptions.

>

> The master tells a student that the Self is everything and nothing.

>

> The student takes this literally....and feels quite comfortable in its

own

> imagined vastness.

>

>

> toombaru

>

>

>

> You do?

> Then maybe you should consider that the ego will not be able to project

> itself into the Absolute. There will be no individual to experience this.

Sorry

> bout that.

>

> Phil

 

Oh..........you were thinking that the 'ego' actually exists.

 

Now I understand your confusion.

 

 

toombaru

 

Double timed in quick time,

sidestepped in two steps..

confused to exclude,

ego there go, ergo I go.

 

:-0

 

 

 

Hehe. Yer gooood. :)

 

 

hehe, I know bs ;-)

 

 

 

 

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Monday, October 31, 2005 12:28 AM

Re: Re: The Enlightenment Question

 

 

 

In a message dated 10/30/2005 9:07:23 PM Pacific Standard Time,

anders_lindman writes:

 

Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 10/30/2005 6:02:05 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> anders_lindman writes:

>

>

> Yes, maybe intuition is a link between thinking based of past memories

> and novelty.

>

> al.

>

>

>

> What does " novelty " mean in this context?

>

> Phil

>

 

When we compare a thought with our existing memory, we can see if the

thought has some new information or not in it. If I suddenly remember

that I have to pay my bills, then that thought has no or very little

novelty. If I have a thought that makes me solve a problem I have been

thinking about for a while, then that thought can be said to bring

some new insight, some novelty.

 

al.

 

That is called a paradigm, a new thought form, an evolution of thinking, if

you will. All advances have been the result

of stepping out of the box, and entering a paradigm heretofore unknown.

Ana

 

 

 

 

Oh, okay. Thanks.

I agree then.

 

Phil

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta

Monday, October 31, 2005 12:30 AM

Re: Re: The Enlightenment Question

 

 

 

In a message dated 10/30/2005 9:17:43 PM Pacific Standard Time,

anders_lindman writes:

 

Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 10/30/2005 6:25:16 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> anders_lindman writes:

>

>

> My hope is that my body is " just " a 3D holographic projection. A very

> advanced projection, because in a hologram, every part contains some

> version of the whole. If true, it means that I can perhaps someday be

> able to alter this projection called the body into a younger body, or

> into something else, or into an older body too for that matter. A

> holographic projection cannot die, it is just pure " information " . :)

>

> al.

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>

>

> Did God get lost in that equation?

>

> Phil

>

 

O no, God cannot be lost. :) God is the One Movie Producer, the

Unmoved Mover, the Central Sun, the One Awareness. What we are

experiencing now is God in action.

 

Look at the computer monitor in front of you. It exists now and only

now. The computer monitor has not been manufactured by people in some

factory. There are no people. :-) All " stuff " is Maya! The computer

monitor in front of you is " only " a part of the 3D holographic Kosmic

Movie called the physical universe.

 

As the little kid said in the Matrix movie: " There is no spoon "

 

The Matrix movie has not been produced and directed in the past, it is

produced NOW and only now in the " time " of zero seconds by the One

Movie Producer. And " The One Movie " is the physical universe. All of it.

 

al.

 

 

 

Whew! Thank God God isn't dead. :)~

 

 

Sheesh, how could I read what 'you' wrote? Sheesh!

 

 

 

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