Guest guest Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 If you want to find unconditional love, then you have to step into the intelligence of this moment. Unconditional love is not dependent on this moment, it IS this moment in awareness. So the idea " I step into this moment " is of course an illusion. But from the ego's point of view it can look as if you step into this moment. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > If you want to find unconditional love, then you have to step into the > intelligence of this moment. Unconditional love is not dependent on > this moment, it IS this moment in awareness. So the idea " I step into > this moment " is of course an illusion. But from the ego's point of > view it can look as if you step into this moment. > > al. so there is a condition to step into unconditional love?... Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > If you want to find unconditional love, then you have to step into the > > intelligence of this moment. Unconditional love is not dependent on > > this moment, it IS this moment in awareness. So the idea " I step into > > this moment " is of course an illusion. But from the ego's point of > > view it can look as if you step into this moment. > > > > al. > > so there is a condition to step into unconditional love?... > > Lol > Yes, from the point of view of the ego, there is a step to take where the separate self becomes one with unconditional love. Or something like that. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 My dear friends the greatest quality is devotion or Love towards Lord. The whole essence of spirituality is to develop this quality by learning the divine knoledge continuously. You are unnecessarily concentrating on Ego and such characters. The spiritualism is the context in which you have to make efforts to reach God. In this context, you need not even control your bad qualities because, God has no personal objection towards your bad qualities. These bad qualities cannot be obstacles in any manner in this context. Moreover, when you turn these bad qualities towards the God, they become your helpers. Any quality whether good or bad, is created by God only to help you in reaching Him. If you realize the original aim of all these qualities, good or bad, why should you control these qualities, which are with you as a helper? No fool controls his helpers. So, any quality when involved in spiritualism is used for its original aim, it becomes a good quality. So all your qualities become good in spiritualism and you need not put any effort to remove or even control them. When the qualities are not used for their original purpose, they become bad qualities. Therefore, whatever qualities turned towards the world, are bad qualities. In this spiritualism, there is no need of any effort even to control these bad qualities. When you come to God, you come in your natural state because you can deceive the world showing that your banded tail is straight but not the God. Whether the river comes in straight path or curved path, the ocean receives only the water with equality. Similarly, God receives your love irrespective of your quality. He received “Sabari” and ‘Kannappa” equally. Sabari with good qualities and Kannappa with bad qualities reached the same Lord, as their devotion is of same intensity. A piece of gold is wrapped in an old cloth. A stone is wrapped with a metallic foil. Which has more total value? Similarly, the love with high intensity covered even by a bad quality has more total value than the love with lesser intensity covered by a good quality. When the blood flew from the eye of the Lord, the Priest who is a person with good qualities is trying to apply the medicine. But, his devotion is less. In the same situation, “Kannappa” plucked his eyes and donated to the Lord. Kannappa is a person with bad qualities but his devotion is the highest. Devotion is the highest good quality. Now let us evaluate the total cost of the priest and Kannappa. The devotion in Kannappa is +100. The bad qualities in Kannappa are –10. The total cost is +90. The priest with good qualities is +10. The devotion in him is +20. The total cost is +30. So, of the two who is good? Obviously it is Kannappa. Gita says, that, “Even the worst is best by Bhakthi” (Api chet….). at the lotus feet of shri datta swami surya anders_lindman <anders_lindman wrote: Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > If you want to find unconditional love, then you have to SURYA surya www.universal-spirituality.org Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000> wrote: > > Hello friend, you wrote: " If you realize the original aim of all these qualities, good or bad, why should you control these qualities, which are with you as a helper? No fool controls his helpers. So, any quality when involved in spiritualism is used for its original aim, it becomes a good quality. So all your qualities become good in spiritualism and you need not put any effort to remove or even control them. " ....nice.... so you could start to have the same " attitude " that you have to " yourself " .....to " others " too..... nobody ever is lost.....except his/her " ego-mind " don't worry Regards and peace Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 dea friend The real devotion makes anybody sincere in the worldly activities also. Greed, ego, jealousy ....also will be under control. Good qualities like tolerance, acceptance, mercy.... also will develop. at the lotus feet of shri datta swami surya www.universal-spirituality.org dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33 wrote:so you could start to have the same " attitude " that you have to " yourself " .....to " others " too..... nobody ever is lost.....except his/her " ego-mind " don't worry Regards and peace Marc SURYA surya www.universal-spirituality.org Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000> wrote: > > > dea friend > > > > The real devotion makes anybody sincere in the worldly activities also. Greed, ego, jealousy ....also will be under control. Good qualities like tolerance, acceptance, mercy.... also will develop. > > > > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami > > surya > > www.universal-spirituality.org My idea is that unconditional love is unconditional. Greed, ego and jealousy are conditional. Unconditional love need therefore per definition not control anything. Or if you mean ALL is under control in unconditional love, then that is more like what I had in mind. al. > > > > dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33> wrote:so you could start to have the same " attitude " that you have > to " yourself " .....to " others " too..... > nobody ever is lost.....except his/her " ego-mind " > don't worry > > Regards and peace > Marc > > > > SURYA > surya@u... > www.universal-spirituality.org > > > > Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 - anders_lindman Nisargadatta Monday, October 10, 2005 11:31 AM Re: Unconditional love Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000> wrote: > > > dea friend > > > > The real devotion makes anybody sincere in the worldly activities also. Greed, ego, jealousy ....also will be under control. Good qualities like tolerance, acceptance, mercy.... also will develop. > > > > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami > > surya > > www.universal-spirituality.org My idea is that unconditional love is unconditional. Greed, ego and jealousy are conditional. Unconditional love need therefore per definition not control anything. Or if you mean ALL is under control in unconditional love, then that is more like what I had in mind. al. I would venture to say this my Beloved al. unconditional love is accepting all conditions and loving them anyway, any way, weighing nothing. ;-) ana > > > > dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33> wrote:so you could start to have the same " attitude " that you have > to " yourself " .....to " others " too..... > nobody ever is lost.....except his/her " ego-mind " > don't worry > > Regards and peace > Marc > > > > SURYA > surya@u... > www.universal-spirituality.org > > > > Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > - > anders_lindman > Nisargadatta > Monday, October 10, 2005 11:31 AM > Re: Unconditional love > > > Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000> > wrote: > > > > > > dea friend > > > > > > > > The real devotion makes anybody sincere in the worldly activities > also. Greed, ego, jealousy ....also will be under control. Good > qualities like tolerance, acceptance, mercy.... also will develop. > > > > > > > > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami > > > > surya > > > > www.universal-spirituality.org > > > My idea is that unconditional love is unconditional. Greed, ego and > jealousy are conditional. Unconditional love need therefore per > definition not control anything. Or if you mean ALL is under control > in unconditional love, then that is more like what I had in mind. > > al. > > > I would venture to say this my Beloved al. > > unconditional love is accepting all conditions and loving them anyway, any way, weighing nothing. ;-) > > ana > No, that's not unconditional love. That's conditional love, because you have then set up a condition that says: " accepting all conditions " . So that's still conditional love. Hehe. ;-))) al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > - > anders_lindman > Nisargadatta > Monday, October 10, 2005 12:29 PM > Re: Unconditional love > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > > > > - > > anders_lindman > > Nisargadatta > > Monday, October 10, 2005 11:31 AM > > Re: Unconditional love > > > > > > Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > dea friend > > > > > > > > > > > > The real devotion makes anybody sincere in the worldly activities > > also. Greed, ego, jealousy ....also will be under control. Good > > qualities like tolerance, acceptance, mercy.... also will develop. > > > > > > > > > > > > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami > > > > > > surya > > > > > > www.universal-spirituality.org > > > > > > My idea is that unconditional love is unconditional. Greed, ego and > > jealousy are conditional. Unconditional love need therefore per > > definition not control anything. Or if you mean ALL is under control > > in unconditional love, then that is more like what I had in mind. > > > > al. > > > > > > I would venture to say this my Beloved al. > > > > unconditional love is accepting all conditions and loving them > anyway, any way, weighing nothing. ;-) > > > > ana > > > > > No, that's not unconditional love. That's conditional love, because > you have then set up a condition that says: " accepting all > conditions " . So that's still conditional love. Hehe. ;-))) > > al. > > > > All right, > > smart a**, I mean smart al. > i disclaimed it saying > " any way, weighing nothing " > ;-) > > ana. > Ok, I didn't think of that. Yet, I still feel like this is more like radical Acceptance of what is, and some Advaita teachers may call that unconditional love (I have for example heard Wayne Liquourman call Acceptance of what is, love). But for me unconditional love is to feel good without any condition needed, although a condition could be present also. When I feel pain, I don't call that love, but on a very deep level that too could be a form of divine love (the best way to make evolution move forward). Anyway, these are just my thoughts and tomorrow I may have another opinion. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 - anders_lindman Nisargadatta Monday, October 10, 2005 1:48 PM Re: Unconditional love Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > - > anders_lindman > Nisargadatta > Monday, October 10, 2005 12:29 PM > Re: Unconditional love > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > > > > - > > anders_lindman > > Nisargadatta > > Monday, October 10, 2005 11:31 AM > > Re: Unconditional love > > > > > > Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > dea friend > > > > > > > > > > > > The real devotion makes anybody sincere in the worldly activities > > also. Greed, ego, jealousy ....also will be under control. Good > > qualities like tolerance, acceptance, mercy.... also will develop. > > > > > > > > > > > > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami > > > > > > surya > > > > > > www.universal-spirituality.org > > > > > > My idea is that unconditional love is unconditional. Greed, ego and > > jealousy are conditional. Unconditional love need therefore per > > definition not control anything. Or if you mean ALL is under control > > in unconditional love, then that is more like what I had in mind. > > > > al. > > > > > > I would venture to say this my Beloved al. > > > > unconditional love is accepting all conditions and loving them > anyway, any way, weighing nothing. ;-) > > > > ana > > > > > No, that's not unconditional love. That's conditional love, because > you have then set up a condition that says: " accepting all > conditions " . So that's still conditional love. Hehe. ;-))) > > al. > > > > All right, > > smart a**, I mean smart al. > i disclaimed it saying > " any way, weighing nothing " > ;-) > > ana. > Ok, I didn't think of that. Yet, I still feel like this is more like radical Acceptance of what is, and some Advaita teachers may call that unconditional love (I have for example heard Wayne Liquourman call Acceptance of what is, love). But for me unconditional love is to feel good without any condition needed, although a condition could be present also. When I feel pain, I don't call that love, but on a very deep level that too could be a form of divine love (the best way to make evolution move forward). Anyway, these are just my thoughts and tomorrow I may have another opinion. al. Darling, I would say this my Beloved, *only Love can break a heart, only love can mend it again...;-) and who always knows... (*Gene Pitney from way back) ana ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 There are three types of people. The first type of people are ordinary human beings who do not start the spiritual journey. They are strongly attracted by this world and these attractions are the qualities accumulated from millions of births in the soul. Such people are called as Ayukta (Ayuktah Kamakarena Phalesaktah—Gita). The second type of people are called as yogis who practice Yoga and who have not yet completed the training in Yoga. They cannot sacrifice their fruit of the work to the Lord. They can sacrifice the work, devotion by mind, discussions with intelligence and any work with senses of their body like singing songs etc (Kayena Manasa Buddhya—Gita). The third type of people are called as Yuktas, which means the people who have finished the training in Yoga. Such people sacrifice the fruit of work also along with the above (Yuktah Karmaphalam—Gita). The aspects to be achieved by Yoga are the equal reaction to all types of incidents and the reaction must be only peaceful undisturbed balance of mind (Sarvatra Samadarsanah, Prasanta Manasam—Gita). Another aspect is not to think of any worldly matter in leisure time. Such thinking will lead to loss of energy (Nakinchidapi Chintayet—Gita). Another aspect is to realise the achievement of grace of God as the highest profit in the life (Yamlabdhva Naparam—Gita). Another aspect of Yoga is to maintain constant mind even if a mountain of misery falls on you (Na Duhkhe na Gurunapi—Gita). Another aspect of Yoga is not to have even a single worldly desire in mind (Nisspruhah Sarvaakamebhyah—Gita). Another aspect of Yoga is to control the worldly activities to the possible minimum level because if God’s grace is there, any worldly affair will succeed even with minimum effort (Yuktacheshtasya—Gita). at the lotus feet ofshri datta swami surya www.universal-spirituality.org Anna Ruiz <nli10u wrote: My idea is that unconditional love is unconditional. Greed, ego and jealousy are conditional. Unconditional love need therefore per definition not control anything. Or if you mean ALL is under control in unconditional love, then that is more like what I had in mind. al. I would venture to say this my Beloved al. unconditional love is accepting all conditions and loving them anyway, any way, weighing nothing. ;-) ana SURYA surya www.universal-spirituality.org Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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