Guest guest Posted July 23, 2005 Report Share Posted July 23, 2005 Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie3@e...> wrote: > My ex-wife ( I traded her in for a newer model.) Actually, > she left me, but that is not my favorite version of that story. ) > Anyway, she was, and is a gentle soul, a mystic ( of the new > age version.) She now makes money with Chinese > medicine, and astrology. She even has her a own astrology > program on a Spanish TV channel. Since she was a Catholic > when I married her, and I introduced to the mystic traditions, > of the Orient. I feel responsible for all the bullshit she now > preaches to the gullible. > > One day we were discussing spiritually in our living room > when she saw an odd looking small bug crawling by her foot. > without stopping her dissertation, she lifted her foot and crushed > the insect. > > " Why did you kill that bug? " > > " It was ugly! " > > " So? " > > " I don't want ugly bugs crawling on my floor. " > > " Would you kill an ugly mouse? " > > She thought for a moment and then said, " Maybe. " > > " How about an ugly cat? " > > " No, of course not! I won't kill a large animal. " > > There was a certain absentminded quality to her killing. > It was sheer human arrogance. As if we find natural to kill > what's not like us. As the resemblance to us increases, so > does the grievousness of the act. To kill a human being who > is a member of our society, is " mala per se " (wrong in itself) > in any society. Not only it is mala per se (a sin,) but mala per > res ( a criminal act under the law.) The hideousness of the act, > increases with killing a sibling, a parent, or an offspring. And > then, it abruptly stops. To kill yourself is not a criminal act, or > even > considered a sin in every human society. I will leave you to do your > own pondering on this subject, if you feel so inclined. >================================= If there were such a thing as choice -- which there isn't because it is just a thought -- I would have taken the role of that ugly bug so that your ex-wife would have squashed me to WAKE ME up TO BE the Reality I AM -- and only this mind of mine keeps thinking otherwise. -- just thoughts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2005 Report Share Posted July 23, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Gene Polotas " <semmin@e...> wrote: > > If there were such a thing as choice -- which there isn't because it > is just a thought -- I would have taken the role of that ugly bug so > that your ex-wife would have squashed me to WAKE ME up TO BE the > Reality I AM -- and only this mind of mine keeps thinking otherwise. > -- just thoughts sam: All that you're experiencing right Now is a thought. Thought = choice Creation + Thought + Choice = Gene Polotas Gene, your dream is turning into a nightmare. Wake up sweetie, wake up! What Alias are you talking to as a scumbag? What part of your dream? What non-doer are you talking to? You are taking things so, so serious. This could create a chemical imbalance in your little nogin/head which could be highly entertaining if you want to go that route. Yes then I would agree in your description of yourself as a phsycopath. If you accept what you say that you are Self and all is Self than aren't you in fact calling your own self a scumbag? Or just the thoughts? You confuse the word **choice** with 'reality and dream illusion' as do most other seekers. Self creates out of thought + choice irregardless of whether or not it's a dream. Self doesn't care if it's a dream....and you're being Here Now is proof of that. If you indeed accept what you say, that " I AM " then you would accept that You have cast Your consciousness to some degree, albeit a small one, into this human structure alias called Gene Polatos. People innately know that this I AM is what they are and that's why they seek desperately to reconnect with that glimmer of what they are. If there is only ONE Self then why do you negate the dream, be it a tree, a bird a human or a rock as anything other than Self? You speak of it as something other than YourSelf, like a scumb bag that should commit suicide. Is that your thoughts of your Self? This is a dualistic thought about something other than You. If Self is in All and through all then wouldn't your dream people be classified as Self? You say you are Self but you want to separate aspects of your Self into compartments of 'other scumbags' and then use the excuse that people are just a dream and not real to hide behind? Do you get the conflict between your words here as has been explained in the above few sentences? This serves to split you off further into this dualistic nature that you speak about. Then you get caught up in the debate about the dream and illusion. How can you both be Self and Not be Self at the same time? All dream is SElf --- there is No thing else. Self/ Consiousness (creation born of choice and transferred into thought and action - yes doers irregardless if it's dream) and Void is what there is. Gene arises out of that. SElf/Void doesn't care if Gene is a dream. More importantly you may want to ask the question, " Why does Self dream and create (choose) illusion from thought? " " Is it important to Self? " ...rather than getting caught up in the endless debate about the dream which only spins your dream world into a greater chemical imbalance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2005 Report Share Posted July 25, 2005 Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie3@e...> wrote: > My ex-wife ( I traded her in for a newer model.) Actually, > she left me, but that is not my favorite version of that story. ) > Anyway, she was, and is a gentle soul, a mystic ( of the new > age version.) She now makes money with Chinese > medicine, and astrology. She even has her a own astrology > program on a Spanish TV channel. Since she was a Catholic > when I married her, and I introduced to the mystic traditions, > of the Orient. I feel responsible for all the bullshit she now > preaches to the gullible. > > One day we were discussing spiritually in our living room > when she saw an odd looking small bug crawling by her foot. > without stopping her dissertation, she lifted her foot and crushed > the insect. > > " Why did you kill that bug? " > > " It was ugly! " > > " So? " > > " I don't want ugly bugs crawling on my floor. " > > " Would you kill an ugly mouse? " > > She thought for a moment and then said, " Maybe. " > > " How about an ugly cat? " > > " No, of course not! I won't kill a large animal. " > > There was a certain absentminded quality to her killing. > It was sheer human arrogance. As if we find natural to kill > what's not like us. As the resemblance to us increases, so > does the grievousness of the act. To kill a human being who > is a member of our society, is " mala per se " (wrong in itself) > in any society. Not only it is mala per se (a sin,) but mala per > res ( a criminal act under the law.) The hideousness of the act, > increases with killing a sibling, a parent, or an offspring. And > then, it abruptly stops. To kill yourself is not a criminal act, or > even > considered a sin in every human society. I will leave you to do your > own pondering on this subject, if you feel so inclined. To think that people know 'WHY' of 'what' they do is to ASSUME too much ! It is possible that your wife was killing those creatures because of her stated reasons. But, it is very likely that she was doing it just because of an old unconscious habit. In which case, 'she' was NOT doing it and she might not even been 'conscious' enough to notice or know what she was doing. It is possible that she realized only after you pointed it out and only after your asking she even looked for a reason. Like many other habits of 'auto- piloted' mind, this too might have happened because ----- She had done it n times in the past. ----- She had seen her parents/brothers/sisters/friends/teacher s do it when she was a child. ----- She has seen others do it many times. To KNOW 'why' of 'what' one does ... ......well, there is very little that one needs to do after That ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2005 Report Share Posted July 25, 2005 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie3@e...> wrote: > > My ex-wife ( I traded her in for a newer model.) Actually, > > she left me, but that is not my favorite version of that story. ) > > Anyway, she was, and is a gentle soul, a mystic ( of the new > > age version.) She now makes money with Chinese > > medicine, and astrology. She even has her a own astrology > > program on a Spanish TV channel. Since she was a Catholic > > when I married her, and I introduced to the mystic traditions, > > of the Orient. I feel responsible for all the bullshit she now > > preaches to the gullible. > > > > One day we were discussing spiritually in our living room > > when she saw an odd looking small bug crawling by her foot. > > without stopping her dissertation, she lifted her foot and crushed > > the insect. > > > > " Why did you kill that bug? " > > > > " It was ugly! " > > > > " So? " > > > > " I don't want ugly bugs crawling on my floor. " > > > > " Would you kill an ugly mouse? " > > > > She thought for a moment and then said, " Maybe. " > > > > " How about an ugly cat? " > > > > " No, of course not! I won't kill a large animal. " > > > > There was a certain absentminded quality to her killing. > > It was sheer human arrogance. As if we find natural to kill > > what's not like us. As the resemblance to us increases, so > > does the grievousness of the act. To kill a human being who > > is a member of our society, is " mala per se " (wrong in itself) > > in any society. Not only it is mala per se (a sin,) but mala per > > res ( a criminal act under the law.) The hideousness of the act, > > increases with killing a sibling, a parent, or an offspring. And > > then, it abruptly stops. To kill yourself is not a criminal act, > or > > even > > considered a sin in every human society. I will leave you to do > your > > own pondering on this subject, if you feel so inclined. > To think that people really know 'WHY' of 'what' they do is to ASSUME too much ! In fact, deeply investigating 'why' of each action one takes is a SURE way to Awaken ! .. .... ...... It is possible that your wife was killing those creatures because of her stated reasons. But, it is very likely that she was doing it just because of an old unconscious habit. In which case, 'she' was NOT doing it and she might not even been 'conscious' enough to notice or know what she was doing. It is possible that she realized it only after you pointed it out and only after your asking she even looked for a reason. Like many other habits of 'auto- piloted' mind, this too might have happened because ----- She had done it n times in the past. ----- She had seen her parents/brothers/sisters/friends/teachers do it when she was a child. ----- She has seen others do it many times. Once one really KNOWS and understands 'why' of 'what' one does ... ...... there is very little that one needs to do after That ! ...... Sincere examination of the 'why' of any 'act' interrupts the auto-pilot cycle of mind. Persist with the examination of each action and the auto-pilot breaks ! ...... To Fully Know the 'why' of each action... To do only that which has an examined, verified and approved 'why' ... .... is to be Fully Conscious ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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