Self is everywhere, shining forth from all beings,

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Self is everywhere, shining forth from all beings,

vaster than the vast, subtler than the most subtle,

unreachable, yet nearer than breath, than heartbeat.

 

Eye cannot see it, ear cannot hear it nor tongue utter it;

only in deep absorption can the mind,

grown pure and silent,

merge with the formless truth.

 

As soon as you find it, you are free;

you have found yourself;

you have solved the great riddle;

your heart is forever at peace.

 

Whole, you enter the Whole.

Your personal self returns

to its radiant, intimate, deathless source.

 

 

- Mundaka Upanishad

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Dear Joe,

Am I self realized. I am not sure what this ask. In the sense that

Nisargadatte speaks of no I am ......not. Do I have moments of being aware of

something

not " me " yes. Yet these moments keep me meditating on a regular basis. I don't

think words from a book from a master will get me there they only serve to

help the mind relax a little. Trust a little enough to practice. It is an

experience beyond words. Writing to you about it in my words helps me stay more

focused on " I am "

Thanks for writing about YOUR experience of it sounds closer to it then

endless quotes for a response. After many years of practice and even time with

a

master it seems to be a very personal and unique experience.

For all you on the list that want to run to your books and find what you

think is the right quote please don't not for me at least. I have the book I can

read it myself. They are empty words on a screen. Your insights your experience

is always welcome like a cool breeze in the heat of summer. The masters words

loose something for me when used to proof something or explain some point. I

like to just hear them for no reason at all like smelling a rose.

I also find comfort in quiet open speaking of mine and your experience of the

masters concepts and words.

Touching the divine thru the touching and meeting each other and our common

longing for the I am.

Am I self realized don't know am I yes something sits here writing to you.

The line between ego and self realization is not able to be defined.

Thanks again Joe for you sharing of self..................

Laura

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote:

>

> -

> joenorwood2005

> Nisargadatta

> Wednesday, July 20, 2005 10:18 PM

> Self is everywhere, shining forth from all

beings,

>

>

> Self is everywhere, shining forth from all beings,

> vaster than the vast, subtler than the most subtle,

> unreachable, yet nearer than breath, than heartbeat.

>

> Eye cannot see it, ear cannot hear it nor tongue utter it;

> only in deep absorption can the mind,

> grown pure and silent,

> merge with the formless truth.

>

> As soon as you find it, you are free;

> you have found yourself;

> you have solved the great riddle;

> your heart is forever at peace.

>

> Whole, you enter the Whole.

> Your personal self returns

> to its radiant, intimate, deathless source.

>

>

> - Mundaka Upanishad

>

> Self was always everywhere only the human mind created limitation...

>

> Anna

>

 

 

well yes that is what the scriptures tell us. i am still looking for

the self. it is difficult to pin down. it has a mercurial quality

about it. sometimes i am able to hold the " I " thought & get a glimpse

of a much vaster field of consciousness behind it. but sooner or later

the mental & emotional ups & downs resurface & the awareness is

obscured again.

 

how about you? are you self-realized?

 

joe

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Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote:

>

> -

> joenorwood2005

> Nisargadatta

> Thursday, July 21, 2005 7:17 AM

> Re: Self is everywhere, shining forth from

all beings,

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote:

> >

> > -

> > joenorwood2005

> > Nisargadatta

> > Wednesday, July 20, 2005 10:18 PM

> > Self is everywhere, shining forth from all

> beings,

> >

> >

> > Self is everywhere, shining forth from all beings,

> > vaster than the vast, subtler than the most subtle,

> > unreachable, yet nearer than breath, than heartbeat.

> >

> > Eye cannot see it, ear cannot hear it nor tongue utter it;

> > only in deep absorption can the mind,

> > grown pure and silent,

> > merge with the formless truth.

> >

> > As soon as you find it, you are free;

> > you have found yourself;

> > you have solved the great riddle;

> > your heart is forever at peace.

> >

> > Whole, you enter the Whole.

> > Your personal self returns

> > to its radiant, intimate, deathless source.

> >

> >

> > - Mundaka Upanishad

> >

> > Self was always everywhere only the human mind created

limitation...

> >

> > Anna

> >

>

>

> well yes that is what the scriptures tell us. i am still looking for

> the self. it is difficult to pin down. it has a mercurial quality

> about it. sometimes i am able to hold the " I " thought & get a glimpse

> of a much vaster field of consciousness behind it. but sooner or later

> the mental & emotional ups & downs resurface & the awareness is

> obscured again.

>

> how about you? are you self-realized?

>

> joe

>

>

> It Is What It Is

>

> I Am That I Am.

>

> self realization, just words...

>

> love,

> Anna

 

those quotes of yours are all classic nondual cliche responses. i take

it ur not sure yet if ur self-realized? i know i'm not. i'm bouncing

all over the place like a pinball machine. i seek the guru's grace.

 

luv,

 

joe

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Nisargadatta , rb2lb2@c... wrote:

> Dear Joe,

> Am I self realized. I am not sure what this ask. In the sense that

> Nisargadatte speaks of no I am ......not. Do I have moments of being

aware of something

> not " me " yes. Yet these moments keep me meditating on a regular

basis. I don't

> think words from a book from a master will get me there they only

serve to

> help the mind relax a little. Trust a little enough to practice. It

is an

> experience beyond words. Writing to you about it in my words helps

me stay more

> focused on " I am "

> Thanks for writing about YOUR experience of it sounds closer to it then

> endless quotes for a response. After many years of practice and

even time with a

> master it seems to be a very personal and unique experience.

> For all you on the list that want to run to your books and find what

you

> think is the right quote please don't not for me at least. I have

the book I can

> read it myself. They are empty words on a screen. Your insights your

experience

> is always welcome like a cool breeze in the heat of summer. The

masters words

> loose something for me when used to proof something or explain some

point. I

> like to just hear them for no reason at all like smelling a rose.

> I also find comfort in quiet open speaking of mine and your

experience of the

> masters concepts and words.

> Touching the divine thru the touching and meeting each other and our

common

> longing for the I am.

> Am I self realized don't know am I yes something sits here writing

to you.

> The line between ego and self realization is not able to be defined.

> Thanks again Joe for you sharing of self..................

 

> Laura

 

 

god i hear u. thanx 4 writing, laura dancing free 123. i get those

moments of pure stillness of just being & it is so sweet. it keeps me

on the half lotus trail. looking for the " I " . holding the " I " .

watching it fade & dropping away into the sea of infinity of silence

smiling blissfully.

 

stay focused on the " i am " , laura.

 

om namo bhagavate sri ramanaya.

 

god bless u.

 

luv,

 

joe

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Nisargadatta , " joenorwood2005 "

<joenorwood2005> wrote:

> Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...>

wrote:

> >

> > -

> > joenorwood2005

> > Nisargadatta

> > Thursday, July 21, 2005 7:17 AM

> > Re: Self is everywhere, shining forth

from

> all beings,

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...>

wrote:

> > >

> > > -

> > > joenorwood2005

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Wednesday, July 20, 2005 10:18 PM

> > > Self is everywhere, shining forth

from all

> > beings,

> > >

> > >

> > > Self is everywhere, shining forth from all beings,

> > > vaster than the vast, subtler than the most subtle,

> > > unreachable, yet nearer than breath, than heartbeat.

> > >

> > > Eye cannot see it, ear cannot hear it nor tongue utter it;

> > > only in deep absorption can the mind,

> > > grown pure and silent,

> > > merge with the formless truth.

> > >

> > > As soon as you find it, you are free;

> > > you have found yourself;

> > > you have solved the great riddle;

> > > your heart is forever at peace.

> > >

> > > Whole, you enter the Whole.

> > > Your personal self returns

> > > to its radiant, intimate, deathless source.

> > >

> > >

> > > - Mundaka Upanishad

> > >

> > > Self was always everywhere only the human mind created

> limitation...

> > >

> > > Anna

> > >

> >

> >

> > well yes that is what the scriptures tell us. i am still

looking for

> > the self. it is difficult to pin down. it has a mercurial

quality

> > about it. sometimes i am able to hold the " I " thought & get a

glimpse

> > of a much vaster field of consciousness behind it. but sooner

or later

> > the mental & emotional ups & downs resurface & the awareness is

> > obscured again.

> >

> > how about you? are you self-realized?

> >

> > joe

> >

> >

> > It Is What It Is

> >

> > I Am That I Am.

> >

> > self realization, just words...

> >

> > love,

> > Anna

>

> those quotes of yours are all classic nondual cliche responses. i

take

> it ur not sure yet if ur self-realized? i know i'm not. i'm

bouncing

> all over the place like a pinball machine. i seek the guru's

grace.

>

> luv,

>

> joe

 

 

sam: all it takes to know that you are self realized is an

acceptance of all that you are now. [and don't say that this is

illusion because it has nothing to do with it, which is what gets

people caught up in a snag to distract]

 

When going into " I AM " long enough you *realize* just that --- YOU

are...

 

That YOU that appears as Joe, Anna, Sam et.al is YOU.

 

But the aspect of you that refuses to accept that creates the

splitting that believes you have no choice. In many ways that's

very true...*you* haven't got any choice but YOU do. This isn't

something that can be explained well with words because all the

words in the world won't help - when it falls upon you like the

morning dew then " YOU " know.

 

It's really all about control though now isn't it? The part of

humans that has individuated seeks control to choose. The YOU

already is whatever IT chooses. IT creates, destroys and cares not

whether it's illusion. Creation is what IT does - creating out of

nothing and going back into nothing.

 

Someone here said that when you're self realized you are Self.

 

Do you know what that means to be Self?

It involves accepting the aspect of NOthing and CREATion in all it's

aspects. And....this also involves choice. People fear choice

because if they get into it they'll lose the dualistic self nature

which is a sabatoge. Just the same as people who constantly seek

enlightenment which is a sabatoge because if they stopped it and sat

in acceptance then the seeking game would be over. Seeking in my

opinion is all about the false ego state trying to gain control by

by-passing the SELF. In the moment, in Self you are already the

SELF -- nothing to seek. But...... no one is happy with it are

they? Always seeking something better....something

different....some greater concoction and idea.

 

I've been told a few times that this is my last life. I laugh at

that. How can it be my last life when new babies are being born?

This last life business is yet again the individuated ego nature.