Nothing to understand and no one to understand that there's nothing to understan

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz>

wrote:

<<>

 

Fuzz: There is nothing to understand. That's why I am misunderstood.>>

 

 

 

G: Seekers who have invested a lot of years and a lot of sadhana

pursuing the elusive butterfly of enlightenment don't like being told

that all that " intense " activity was only for the purpose of keeping

them busy with something to do while they ripened enough to get that

you can't attain enlightenment via meditation, grovelling at the feet

of the guru, etc. etc. any more than you can make a mirror by

furiously rubbing a slab of granite (Mat-su).

 

You're totally, absolutely, completely right on. There is nothing to

understand. This is it. HereNow. It is as it is. Voila'. This is

all there is, folks, so get used to it, hahaha.

 

As for Brother Mango, I think he's just having some fun. Gotta love

the self-proclaimed Paramahamsa. Truly a seeker after my own heart.>>

 

 

<<Fuzz:

>> Sarlo's list has too many religious Hindu fundamentalists on

there.>>

 

G: As Jesus said, we will always have the poor and the

fundamentalists among us. What can they do except cling desperately

to their fossilized doctrines and rituals? What else to they have,

after all?.

God forbid, someone should come along and rattle their cages and

shake their world-view!!

 

" Crucify him!!! " will forever be their battle cry.

 

Just like the good Mormon elders and the no-so-good Jehovah's

Witnesses that knock occasionally at my front door, the

fundamentalists don't want to engage in dialogue (intelligent

dialogue = the tool of Satan used to deceive the " elect " ) any more

than the Man in the Moon.

 

All they want is to get agreement that they have found the One True

Way.

 

 

 

 

<<Fuzz: Bankei's " Unborn " teaching is awesome. I am living and

breathing it. I

> just don't use the same terminology. Bankei teaches in that book

that

> the belief in the ego is the primary cause of mankind's problems

(cf.

> pp. 38, 49, and 58 of the 1984 edition, North Point Press). His

> teaching, which is Buddhism in its purest form (cf. " anatman "

> [no-self]), is analogous to the teaching of the Bhagavad Gita and

the

> Advaita Vedantists (i.e. " no doer " ). Friedrich W. Nietzsche and

> Charles Peirce, both, also said that the ego was purely a linguistic

> fiction. So, this is not a new revelation, by no means. It's just

the

> way it is. There is no individual self. When this is seen, questions

> and doubts are resolved. " All things are perfectly resolved in the

> Unborn... " >>

 

G: " The Unborn: The Life and Teachings of Zen Master Bankei (1622-

1693) "

translated by Norman Waddell was revised in 2000. All that's

different from the 1984 edition is the addition of a new section of

previously untranslated talks.

 

It doesn't matter what language you use. The truth of your in-seeing

shines through like " bright virtue " itself, the same " bright virtue "

that triggered Bankei's quest to clarify, for HIMSELF, the meaning of

that Confusian term.

 

When all is said and done, " all things are perfectly resolved in the

Unborn " is still the whole ball of wax.

 

U to U

[Guest guest]

-

garyfalk1943

Nisargadatta

Sunday, May 29, 2005 8:22 AM

Nothing to understand and no one to understand that

there's nothing to understan

 

 

Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz>

wrote:

<<>

 

Fuzz: There is nothing to understand. That's why I am misunderstood.>>

 

 

 

G: Seekers who have invested a lot of years and a lot of sadhana

pursuing the elusive butterfly of enlightenment don't like being told

that all that " intense " activity was only for the purpose of keeping

them busy with something to do while they ripened enough to get that

you can't attain enlightenment via meditation, grovelling at the feet

of the guru, etc. etc. any more than you can make a mirror by

furiously rubbing a slab of granite (Mat-su).

 

You're totally, absolutely, completely right on. There is nothing to

understand. This is it. HereNow. It is as it is. Voila'. This is

all there is, folks, so get used to it, hahaha.

 

As for Brother Mango, I think he's just having some fun. Gotta love

the self-proclaimed Paramahamsa. Truly a seeker after my own heart.>>

 

 

<<Fuzz:

>> Sarlo's list has too many religious Hindu fundamentalists on

there.>>

 

G: As Jesus said, we will always have the poor and the

fundamentalists among us. What can they do except cling desperately

to their fossilized doctrines and rituals? What else to they have,

after all?.

God forbid, someone should come along and rattle their cages and

shake their world-view!!

 

" Crucify him!!! " will forever be their battle cry.

 

Just like the good Mormon elders and the no-so-good Jehovah's

Witnesses that knock occasionally at my front door, the

fundamentalists don't want to engage in dialogue (intelligent

dialogue = the tool of Satan used to deceive the " elect " ) any more

than the Man in the Moon.

 

All they want is to get agreement that they have found the One True

Way.

 

 

 

 

<<Fuzz: Bankei's " Unborn " teaching is awesome. I am living and

breathing it. I

> just don't use the same terminology. Bankei teaches in that book

that

> the belief in the ego is the primary cause of mankind's problems

(cf.

> pp. 38, 49, and 58 of the 1984 edition, North Point Press). His

> teaching, which is Buddhism in its purest form (cf. " anatman "

> [no-self]), is analogous to the teaching of the Bhagavad Gita and

the

> Advaita Vedantists (i.e. " no doer " ). Friedrich W. Nietzsche and

> Charles Peirce, both, also said that the ego was purely a linguistic

> fiction. So, this is not a new revelation, by no means. It's just

the

> way it is. There is no individual self. When this is seen, questions

> and doubts are resolved. " All things are perfectly resolved in the

> Unborn... " >>

 

G: " The Unborn: The Life and Teachings of Zen Master Bankei (1622-

1693) "

translated by Norman Waddell was revised in 2000. All that's

different from the 1984 edition is the addition of a new section of

previously untranslated talks.

 

It doesn't matter what language you use. The truth of your in-seeing

shines through like " bright virtue " itself, the same " bright virtue "

that triggered Bankei's quest to clarify, for HIMSELF, the meaning of

that Confusian term.

 

When all is said and done, " all things are perfectly resolved in the

Unborn " is still the whole ball of wax.

 

U to U

 

 

 

My Gary and Fuzzie,

 

Now take this ever-so-small Ball of Wax, form a candle and.......

 

http://www.youarethelightmovie.com/thelight/TheLight.html

 

My son and I took a drive again for photos in the Beaver Marsh. On the way

home he asked me if I knew that

science is now of the opinion that the human body needs at least 20 minutes

of sunlight daily. The sunscreens may actual cause more damage as the sunlight

is not absorbed and made able to convert to vitamin D. Lack thereof is one of

the

causes cancer, free radicals and all.

The human plant.......; - )

 

love

a.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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