Lewis - Middle - ( ... beyond thoughts ? ) - guru.

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Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming "

<adithya_comming> wrote:

> >> Is there anything beyond thoughts ?

>

> Is this a test or is this an honest

> question ?

>

> If it is an honest question, it

> implies that ...you are NOT aware of

> anything beyond thoughts.

>

> How will a reply from someone else

> help you understand it then ? You will

> try to translate it into you vocabulary

> ( into what you know ) and thereby, I

> either completely miss it,

> misunderstand or misinterpret it.

>

>

>

> >> Is there anything beyond thoughts ?

>

> There are two ways to know it. One is

> inquiring and investigating it on your

> part and finding it out DIRECTLY, by

> yourself.

>

> Second way is intellectual and it

> involves ... " trust " , " respect " ,

> " humility " , " acceptance " that might

> even border on the lines of " faith " ,

> " devotion " , " Bhakti " .

>

> You ask someone whom you trust,

> respect to be truthful, honest, sincere

> and possibly knowing ... " what you don't

> know " . You then, mostly accept what

> such a person says to you. As this

> experience is not yet in your domain,

> you have no real way to approve and

> disprove it. You trust this person, you

> trust him/her to know and be truthful

> about it. In such a case, you accept

> his/her answer.

>

> Such a person that you trust, respect

> to know and to be honest, truthful and

> well-meaning in telling you what he/she

> knows is also called ...guru ?

>

>

> Do you have such respect for the

> person you are asking this question,

> Lewis ?

 

>

> Would you respect and accept

> his/her answer, as ...it is an area

> that you yet don't know ?

 

 

" I " do not trust or distrust, respect or disrespect

any " one " or any " thing " as far as " that " is

possible in " me " as " it " goes. " I " go as " I " am.

 

All " I " know and all " my " experiences are all

creations. These creations, like the

spontaneously spoken word that comes out,

somehow, fully made. In " this, " " it "

is clear, that " I " do not speak, and " it " is not

known how in any way. " I " do not create, and

" it " is not known how in any way. There are no

words.

 

Instead, " I " am spoken. " I " am created. More difficult,

is " I " am heard. " I " am seen. " I " do not see and

do not hear. " I " am seen and heard by " others " similarly

formed as " they " are. All of " this " are created worlds

after " that " that " I " am at the moment. And " I " being what

" I " am at the moment engage these creations as " I " am

able or unable to do.

 

In this, there are no " others " yet there are " others. "

For " me " all are spoken not speaking. For " me, " all

are created not creators.

 

So " you " " ac, " as " you " appear to " me, " in words or

otherwise are " my " creation and what is heard

and seen is of " me, " is " me. "

 

How is " it " then, that " I " that cannot know any thing

as to how " I " come to be, know any thing other than

" what " is created, conceived in a fashion that is not

knowable or known?

 

How do " I " being in " this way " " respect " or " accept "

what is " mine " already, what " I " created, somehow?

" I " must pay attention to what " I " create.

 

Every answer is " my " creation. Every response is " my "

creation. And " I " encounter " these " as " they " arise in " me "

as " they " appear before " me " in " daily " life as " phenomena. "

 

So " I " treat " my " creations as " I " am at the moment. "

And what " I " am depends on what " I " do with these

creations in daily life. " It " depends on knowing that

all " I " encounter is what " I " create, and that " I " am not

a creator but a somehow created, and that somehow,

" being fully spoken " is " being fully human " as

any creature in the " natural world " is what " it " is without

it questioning or doubting.

 

" I " create " you. " " You " create " me. " " We " create each " other " and

all things in the world of " our " making and in doing so

all " realities " created and encountered.

 

Lewis

 

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