Guest guest Posted May 21, 2005 Report Share Posted May 21, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > - > Lewis Burgess > Nisargadatta > Friday, May 20, 2005 6:03 PM > Lewis - Last - ( Re: Is there anything beyond thoughts ? ). > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > Bottom line: Lewis, You seem to talk > > just for the sake of passing time. You > > seem to make arguments just for the > > sake of making arguments, just for the > > sake of talking. Maybe, because, > > according to you, you have lot of idle > > time. Which is Fine. Many people do > > that and some of them are GREATLY > > Entertaining, even quite Insightful .... > > > > Problem (or challenge) with what you > > do Lewis is that, ...you seem to make > > it sound 'sincere' ...and that false > > 'SENSE OF SINCERITY' has potential to > > SUCK people in. And, later after many > > messages, and lot of wasted > > form their perspective) time, > > when they discover ... > > " you are just talking, only > > passing your idle time " , it can be > > frustrating, disappointing to your > > partner who might have taken all this > > quite sincerely, honestly, truthfully, > > 'religiously'. > > > > But, Do you Care ...??? > > > > > > PS: All of the above is of course, my > > 'opinion'. But, as far as I know it is > > sincere and is based on my honest > > 'observation' and not based on any > > malice, ill intent, dishonesty or > > disrespect. > > > > Thank you Lewis ! > > > Dear ac, > > You have seemingly judged my responses to > you and others saying: > > " You seem to talk just for the sake > of passing time. You seem to make > arguments just for the sake of making > arguments, just for the sake of talking. > > " ...you are just talking, only > passing your idle time " > > " ...you seem to make it sound 'sincere' ... > and that false 'SENSE OF SINCERITY' > has potential to SUCK people in. " > > These judgments are supported by > marshalling the opinions of others > who have freely judged my responses, > in one way or another, more or less, > in a way that seems congruent with yours > and this is joined with the feeling > that it can be " frustrating, > disappointing to your partner who might > have taken all this quite sincerely, > honestly, truthfully, 'religiously' " > > And as far as you know it is your > opinion that these judgments are: > > " sincere and is based on my honest > 'observation' and not based on any > malice, ill intent, dishonesty or > disrespect. " > > and you then ask me do I care......? > > and then thank me. > > [Every one of those words - their nuances > and complexities, their conflicting feelings > and thoughts and desires, the wonder, hope, > doubt and pain, the desire to know, to be certain > one way or another, in seeking peace > or standing apart to see clearly.... runs > through my frame leaving no part untouched, > arousing perplexity, pain, search, memories, sadness, > tears, calm...] Dear Lewis, I don't know, what you mean by the above paragraph. Do you mean, what I said hurt you. That was certainly not my intention. Though, I am ware that that what I said had possibility to hurt. As I mentioned earlier, however honest, it was still only my `opinion' and it is possible that I was completely wrong, Right On or somewhere in the middle. If you wish, you can tell (us) which one it is. Communication usually has two parts – speaker and the audience. When, I (the audience in this case) say, …I don't understand what (or why), you are communicating or that I think, you are just talking for the sake of talking. It can be either, because, you are really communicating that way but it can be also because …I am not able to `get' what you are communicating. Or, it can be mixture of the two. Either way, I think, I should let you know of that and there is no `intended' harm or hurt as long as I can do it without any malice or ill motive. At minimum, it is a feedback on how you communication " comes across " at least to `one person'. It might be Real (as in you are Really doing it). It might be how it appears to most but you are not really doing it. Or, it might be a problem, impression that Only I have. The `symptom' that I talk about is in No way unique. This seems to be a common communication trait and a major difference in how two genders (males and females) communicate. Males `supposedly' mostly communicate to solve problems, devise plans, strategy, reach conclusions, and gather information. Females `supposedly' mostly talk as just a way to … " feel as being together " . I have many times gotten in trouble with my wife, on this ground alone and It still requires me `many' internal reminders to know that …my wife is just complaining, criticizing. However, she is NOT really interested in solving any of these problems or really changing any of the things she is complaining about. She likes complaining or sometimes, talking and these are the things she has chosen to exercise her complaining on and I am the chosen audience at the moment. " What she talks about " , " what she complains about " and " to whom she talks or complains " are NOT really that important. What is REALLY important is that " she gets to complain or talk " . I still make major mistakes in fully adjusting to this reality. With warm regards, ac. > > I do not have the key to satisfy your seemings. > > Lewis > ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2005 Report Share Posted May 21, 2005 - adithya_comming Nisargadatta Friday, May 20, 2005 7:01 PM Lewis - Last - 'different style' ex: my wife. Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > - > Lewis Burgess > Nisargadatta > Friday, May 20, 2005 6:03 PM > Lewis - Last - ( Re: Is there anything beyond thoughts ? ). > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > Bottom line: Lewis, You seem to talk > > just for the sake of passing time. You > > seem to make arguments just for the > > sake of making arguments, just for the > > sake of talking. Maybe, because, > > according to you, you have lot of idle > > time. Which is Fine. Many people do > > that and some of them are GREATLY > > Entertaining, even quite Insightful .... > > > > Problem (or challenge) with what you > > do Lewis is that, ...you seem to make > > it sound 'sincere' ...and that false > > 'SENSE OF SINCERITY' has potential to > > SUCK people in. And, later after many > > messages, and lot of wasted > > form their perspective) time, > > when they discover ... > > " you are just talking, only > > passing your idle time " , it can be > > frustrating, disappointing to your > > partner who might have taken all this > > quite sincerely, honestly, truthfully, > > 'religiously'. > > > > But, Do you Care ...??? > > > > > > PS: All of the above is of course, my > > 'opinion'. But, as far as I know it is > > sincere and is based on my honest > > 'observation' and not based on any > > malice, ill intent, dishonesty or > > disrespect. > > > > Thank you Lewis ! > > > Dear ac, > > You have seemingly judged my responses to > you and others saying: > > " You seem to talk just for the sake > of passing time. You seem to make > arguments just for the sake of making > arguments, just for the sake of talking. > > " ...you are just talking, only > passing your idle time " > > " ...you seem to make it sound 'sincere' ... > and that false 'SENSE OF SINCERITY' > has potential to SUCK people in. " > > These judgments are supported by > marshalling the opinions of others > who have freely judged my responses, > in one way or another, more or less, > in a way that seems congruent with yours > and this is joined with the feeling > that it can be " frustrating, > disappointing to your partner who might > have taken all this quite sincerely, > honestly, truthfully, 'religiously' " > > And as far as you know it is your > opinion that these judgments are: > > " sincere and is based on my honest > 'observation' and not based on any > malice, ill intent, dishonesty or > disrespect. " > > and you then ask me do I care......? > > and then thank me. > > [Every one of those words - their nuances > and complexities, their conflicting feelings > and thoughts and desires, the wonder, hope, > doubt and pain, the desire to know, to be certain > one way or another, in seeking peace > or standing apart to see clearly.... runs > through my frame leaving no part untouched, > arousing perplexity, pain, search, memories, sadness, > tears, calm...] Dear Lewis, I don't know, what you mean by the above paragraph. Do you mean, what I said hurt you. That was certainly not my intention. Though, I am ware that that what I said had possibility to hurt. As I mentioned earlier, however honest, it was still only my `opinion' and it is possible that I was completely wrong, Right On or somewhere in the middle. If you wish, you can tell (us) which one it is. Communication usually has two parts - speaker and the audience. When, I (the audience in this case) say, .I don't understand what (or why), you are communicating or that I think, you are just talking for the sake of talking. It can be either, because, you are really communicating that way but it can be also because .I am not able to `get' what you are communicating. Or, it can be mixture of the two. Either way, I think, I should let you know of that and there is no `intended' harm or hurt as long as I can do it without any malice or ill motive. At minimum, it is a feedback on how you communication " comes across " at least to `one person'. It might be Real (as in you are Really doing it). It might be how it appears to most but you are not really doing it. Or, it might be a problem, impression that Only I have. The `symptom' that I talk about is in No way unique. This seems to be a common communication trait and a major difference in how two genders (males and females) communicate. Males `supposedly' mostly communicate to solve problems, devise plans, strategy, reach conclusions, and gather information. Females `supposedly' mostly talk as just a way to . " feel as being together " . I have many times gotten in trouble with my wife, on this ground alone and It still requires me `many' internal reminders to know that .my wife is just complaining, criticizing. However, she is NOT really interested in solving any of these problems or really changing any of the things she is complaining about. She likes complaining or sometimes, talking and these are the things she has chosen to exercise her complaining on and I am the chosen audience at the moment. " What she talks about " , " what she complains about " and " to whom she talks or complains " are NOT really that important. What is REALLY important is that " she gets to complain or talk " . I still make major mistakes in fully adjusting to this reality. With warm regards, ac. > > I do not have the key to satisfy your seemings. > > Lewis > ...... a.c. very keen and very clever of you.... although intention is not 9/10's of the law, Possession is. : - ) a. ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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