Lewis - Middle - ( .. beyond thoughts ? ) - Stupidity and Arrogance. .

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>> Is there anything beyond thoughts ?

 

Another way of asking this question is

trying to express a mental position or

knowledge.

 

This position and knowledge can be

expressed in two ways ...

 

One way, that I consider 'honest',

'sincere' and 'real' is:

 

------ " As far as I know " , there is

nothing beyond thoughts.

 

which can be even extended to ...

 

------ " As far as I know " , there is

nothing beyond thoughts and I can NOT

accept that there is unless I find it

out myself. If you know of a way, I can

find out for 'myself' then, please let

me know.

 

Both of the above are honest, factual

expression of the 'current' reality,

knowledge as well as 'position' of the

person and it defines the context of

the communication very well.

 

 

 

Second way, is what I consider STUPID,

Arrogant or both STUPID and Ignorant.

It is the 'indirect' expression of ...

 

---- There is Nothing beyond thought.

 

( because, I am `yet' NOT aware of anything

beyond thoughts and thus I " the XXXX "

have CONCLUDED that ...there

is nothing beyond thoughts. )

 

which 'indirectly' implies ...

 

( I " the xxxx " know EVERY Possible

thing in this area, any area, every

area. There is No possibility that

there can be anything beyond what I

ALREADY know in this area / any area. I

the Knower know it all. )

 

 

The above I consider a very arrogant

and stupid way. But, then, why can't

you, I, he, she be ...Stupid, Arrogant

or both Stupid and Arrogant ... Real

communication might have some

difficulty in such a case.

 

But, so what...

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Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming "

<adithya_comming> wrote:

> >> Is there anything beyond thoughts ?

>

> Another way of asking this question is

> trying to express a mental position or

> knowledge.

>

> This position and knowledge can be

> expressed in two ways ...

>

> One way, that I consider 'honest',

> 'sincere' and 'real' is:

>

> ------ " As far as I know " , there is

> nothing beyond thoughts.

>

> which can be even extended to ...

>

> ------ " As far as I know " , there is

> nothing beyond thoughts and I can NOT

> accept that there is unless I find it

> out myself. If you know of a way, I can

> find out for 'myself' then, please let

> me know.

 

Suggestions:

 

Try to express any thing without using words and

thoughts to another or self for a time.

(Do not be fooled by gesturing, grimacing and

other nonverbal expression. etc. that are empty

without words or thoughts.

 

Or ask the question what lies beyond

words and thoughts? And try to express

whatever without using words and thought

to another or self.

 

Try to discover/experience how a single

sentence is spontaneously spoken or written

otherwise emitted.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> Both of the above are honest, factual

> expression of the 'current' reality,

> knowledge as well as 'position' of the

> person and it defines the context of

> the communication very well.

>

>

>

> Second way, is what I consider STUPID,

> Arrogant or both STUPID and Ignorant.

> It is the 'indirect' expression of ...

>

> ---- There is Nothing beyond thought.

>

> ( because, I am `yet' NOT aware of anything

> beyond thoughts and thus I " the XXXX "

> have CONCLUDED that ...there

> is nothing beyond thoughts. )

>

> which 'indirectly' implies ...

>

> ( I " the xxxx " know EVERY Possible

> thing in this area, any area, every

> area. There is No possibility that

> there can be anything beyond what I

> ALREADY know in this area / any area. I

> the Knower know it all. )

>

>

> The above I consider a very arrogant

> and stupid way. But, then, why can't

> you, I, he, she be ...Stupid, Arrogant

> or both Stupid and Arrogant ... Real

> communication might have some

> difficulty in such a case.

>

> But, so what...