Spiritual Humanism mind+ controlling the uncontrollable

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Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz>

wrote:

>

CUT

 

> > > > > > they reply, if at all - is, WHY do you talk about these

> > words, as

> > > > if

> > > > > > they are real, as if anybody who has at least half a

> > functioning

> > > > > > cortical intellect gives a goddamn about it?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ask JR, or SVP, and then watch 'em squirm, shuffle their

> > feet, hum

> > > > > > and haw, and >>change the subject<<.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I'm dumber'n a rock, Kid. I aint got sense enough to come

in

> > outta

> > > > the

> > > > > rain. I just thought Big Mama Judi was fully enlightened,

like

> > me. I

> > > > > am totally enlightened. Have been goin' on a couple a

months,

> > now.

> > > > > Aint nothin' to it. It's totally awesome.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > fuzzie

> > > > >

> > > > > P.S. I know, I know... everybody's rappin' aint nobody

> > enlightened,

> > > > > and, that's true, to an extent. But, you gotta be

enlightened

> > to be

> > > > > able to tell there aint nobody enlightened, otherwise, you

> > wouldn't

> > > > > know that, you dig what I'm sayin'?

> > > > >================

> > > > I agree fuzzie

> > > >

> > > > I have always been enlightened only my mind was telling me

> > otherwise.

> > > > Enlightenment is a thought, the mind.

> > > >

> > > > Now that my mind does not tell me I'm not enoightened I AM

just

> > a

> > > > JOY of being the Nothing, Silence, that my mind will never

> > > > understand because it, this Silence, is not a thought.

> > > >

> > > > -- thoughts from nothing

> > >

> > >

> > > You're lucky. At least, you still got a mind. I lost mine. It

got

> > lost

> > > when I went into samadhi and merged with pure awareness,

> > > undifferentiated. The mind split and all it left me was alone.

But,

> > > I'm none the worser for it. Who needs it? That's what I say...

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > fuzzie

> > >============================

> > Kundalini (a mental dilution of the Self, Samadhi) blew my mind

over

> > four years ago. It was literally a universe-shattering explosion

of

> > JOY in which the thought of death should have killed me -- with

> > laughter.

> >

> > Compared to that unfathomable JOY of thoughtless Silence -- and

as

> > you say UTTER AWARENESS -- and then laughter, this maya is, at

> > best, a JOKE that this body has to play " in between " the pure

JOY of

> > Silence that I AM.

> >

> > -- and as thoughts come: if the gods only knew this joy and

laughter

> > they would be breaking down my, your, doors to give us their

souls

> > just so that they could also die laughing.

> >

> > gp

>

>

> I don't know what kundalini or samadhi or atman or brahman or any of

> that stuff is. I'm not a Hindu. I was just playin', before. I'm not

> any religion. I don't believe in gods or souls or any of that

> religious mumbo jumbo. All of that is just a continuation, a

> projection of the egoic mind.

>

> There is no self. That's all there is to it. Simply realize there is

> no self. But, it can't be forced; it cannot be made to happen. It

has

> to happen naturally. No one can attain it on his own. There is no

one

> there to own it. The idea of attaining it is absurd.

>

> fuzzie

=-=

 

 

Amen fuzzie -

 

You say you don't know anything about samadhi and yet " when I went

into samadhi "

 

" There is no Self " ?? That is right; for the mind the Self is

Nothing even though without the Self (the Reality of dreamless-sleep)

their would be no mind.

 

And don't feel bad about not knowing Kundalini because there is not

one MD in a thousand that has a clue either. -- except that it is

some sort of a mind-destroying disease -- just like YOU HAVE and I

HAVE.

 

And this included MDs that are experts on spirituality and

alternative medicine -- like my sister.

 

IN fact for most Hindus this Kundalini is just a coiled snake in

the imaginary back of imaginary egos … But when this Kundalini

explodes – as you say at ITS TIME – then there is no doubt that the

mind and body are, at best, a joke.

 

IN English this Kundalini might as well be the Holy Ghost which is

outside when there is no outside nor inside, just the Reality of

dreamless sleep, called Kundalini, Samadhi -- that have nothing to do

with religions or beliefs any more than meditation is associated

with religions or beliefs.

 

-- just thoughts from NOTHING

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " Gene Polotas " <semmin@e...> wrote:

 

***SNIP***

 

> > > >============================

> > > Kundalini (a mental dilution of the Self, Samadhi) blew my mind

> over

> > > four years ago. It was literally a universe-shattering explosion

> of

> > > JOY in which the thought of death should have killed me -- with

> > > laughter.

> > >

> > > Compared to that unfathomable JOY of thoughtless Silence -- and

> as

> > > you say UTTER AWARENESS -- and then laughter, this maya is, at

> > > best, a JOKE that this body has to play " in between " the pure

> JOY of

> > > Silence that I AM.

> > >

> > > -- and as thoughts come: if the gods only knew this joy and

> laughter

> > > they would be breaking down my, your, doors to give us their

> souls

> > > just so that they could also die laughing.

> > >

> > > gp

> >

> >

> > I don't know what kundalini or samadhi or atman or brahman or any of

> > that stuff is. I'm not a Hindu. I was just playin', before. I'm not

> > any religion. I don't believe in gods or souls or any of that

> > religious mumbo jumbo. All of that is just a continuation, a

> > projection of the egoic mind.

> >

> > There is no self. That's all there is to it. Simply realize there is

> > no self. But, it can't be forced; it cannot be made to happen. It

> has

> > to happen naturally. No one can attain it on his own. There is no

> one

> > there to own it. The idea of attaining it is absurd.

> >

> > fuzzie

> =-=

>

>

> Amen fuzzie -

>

> You say you don't know anything about samadhi and yet " when I went

> into samadhi "

>

> " There is no Self " ?? That is right; for the mind the Self is

> Nothing even though without the Self (the Reality of dreamless-sleep)

> their would be no mind.

>

> And don't feel bad about not knowing Kundalini because there is not

> one MD in a thousand that has a clue either. -- except that it is

> some sort of a mind-destroying disease -- just like YOU HAVE and I

> HAVE.

>

> And this included MDs that are experts on spirituality and

> alternative medicine -- like my sister.

>

> IN fact for most Hindus this Kundalini is just a coiled snake in

> the imaginary back of imaginary egos … But when this Kundalini

> explodes – as you say at ITS TIME – then there is no doubt that the

> mind and body are, at best, a joke.

>

> IN English this Kundalini might as well be the Holy Ghost which is

> outside when there is no outside nor inside, just the Reality of

> dreamless sleep, called Kundalini, Samadhi -- that have nothing to do

> with religions or beliefs any more than meditation is associated

> with religions or beliefs.

>

> -- just thoughts from NOTHING

 

 

 

Gene: You say you don't know anything about samadhi and yet " when I

went into samadhi " .

 

Fuzzie: That's why I said in the previous post I was only playing when

I said that and then told you the truth. I don't know what these Hindu

things are. Why try to talk like a Hindu? Why not just talk normal?

 

I've read about kundalini and the chakras and all that. But, I don't

know what any of it is. It's just religious beliefs. If you believe

it, it'll work. Just like some people believe in Christ so much, they

get stigmata on their hands and other other signs appear. Muslim

militants have such strong beliefs that they will blow themselves up

in what they believe is a jihad or holy struggle for Allah. See what

I'm saying? It's all nuts...

 

fuzzie