Guest guest Posted May 19, 2005 Report Share Posted May 19, 2005 Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " Gene Polotas " <semmin@e...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz> > > wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " fmraerdy " <mybox234@b...> > > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " > > <fuzzie_wuz> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Judi Rhodes " > > <judirhodes@c...> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Moller, > > > > > > > > > > > > And the point of your book I believe > > > > > > <snipped> > > > > > > Judi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, Judi: > > > > > > > > > > Are you like a realized master or something? You speak with such > > > > > authority. Are you " enlightened " ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, fuzzball: > > > > Are you really daft or something? You write with such imbecility. > > Are > > > > you " ignorant " ? > > > > > > > > (just funnin' witcha, fuzz...) > > > > > > > > But, to continue the funnin'... > > > > > > > > No one can BE enlightened, surrounded by quotation marks or > > > > otherwise, anymore than someone can BE non-enlightened, similarly > > > > surrounded or not. > > > > > > > > People discuss these " favorite " terms, in the same exact way and > > for > > > > the same exact reason, other people discuss their " favorite " > > sports > > > > team players - because it's fun to talk about stuff, especially > > out > > > > loud (and on paper, or email qualifies as being " out loud " ). It - > > the > > > > mechanical act of - releases pleasurable chemicals and > > neuropeptides > > > > that circulate in the brain, that we educated humans can > > call, " fun " > > > > and others know what we mean. > > > > > > > > (Everybody knows what " fun " means and can communicate an episode > > of > > > > fun to another human, with ease. Conversely, NO ONE knows what > > > > " enlightenment " means nor can communicate an episode to another > > > > human... though many still (unbelievably) believe otherwise, > > which is > > > > why so many still waste oodles of time on these email lists, > > wasting > > > > more time trying to do it...) > > > > > > > > Caustic-to-a-fault (JR) may be having fun talking through her hat > > > > about " you name it " , in the same way Thin-Veneer (SVP) does, and > > > > countless others do, but to suggest she/he/anybody IS what > > > > she/he/anybody might claim to be, is just silly. > > > > She isn't, you isn't, it isn't. > > > > > > > > No one can BE a word, and words are all there is going on here, in > > > > print, in email. Words in print, black dots stimulating transient > > > > neural episodes in your own head as you hear/read them, that you > > can > > > > neither control, predict, or comprehend, are more like mist, > > vapor, > > > > clouds, than anything substantial, like people. They just happen, > > and > > > > when they do - on their own schedule - you have fun... or you > > don't > > > > (like when somebody, say, screams curse words at you and calls you > > > > stupid, ugly, and worthless). > > > > > > > > A better question to ask somebody - and then listen carefully to > > what > > > > they reply, if at all - is, WHY do you talk about these words, as > > if > > > > they are real, as if anybody who has at least half a functioning > > > > cortical intellect gives a goddamn about it? > > > > > > > > Ask JR, or SVP, and then watch 'em squirm, shuffle their feet, hum > > > > and haw, and >>change the subject<<. > > > > > > > > > I'm dumber'n a rock, Kid. I aint got sense enough to come in outta > > the > > > rain. I just thought Big Mama Judi was fully enlightened, like me. I > > > am totally enlightened. Have been goin' on a couple a months, now. > > > Aint nothin' to it. It's totally awesome. > > > > > > > > > > > > fuzzie > > > > > > P.S. I know, I know... everybody's rappin' aint nobody enlightened, > > > and, that's true, to an extent. But, you gotta be enlightened to be > > > able to tell there aint nobody enlightened, otherwise, you wouldn't > > > know that, you dig what I'm sayin'? > > >================ > > I agree fuzzie > > > > I have always been enlightened only my mind was telling me otherwise. > > Enlightenment is a thought, the mind. > > > > Now that my mind does not tell me I'm not enoightened I AM just a > > JOY of being the Nothing, Silence, that my mind will never > > understand because it, this Silence, is not a thought. > > > > -- thoughts from nothing > > > You're lucky. At least, you still got a mind. I lost mine. It got lost > when I went into samadhi and merged with pure awareness, > undifferentiated. The mind split and all it left me was alone. But, > I'm none the worser for it. Who needs it? That's what I say... > > > > fuzzie >============================ Kundalini (a mental dilution of the Self, Samadhi) blew my mind over four years ago. It was literally a universe-shattering explosion of JOY in which the thought of death should have killed me -- with laughter. Compared to that unfathomable JOY of thoughtless Silence -- and as you say UTTER AWARENESS -- and then laughter, this maya is, at best, a JOKE that this body has to play " in between " the pure JOY of Silence that I AM. -- and as thoughts come: if the gods only knew this joy and laughter they would be breaking down my, your, doors to give us their souls just so that they could also die laughing. gp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2005 Report Share Posted May 20, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Gene Polotas " <semmin@e...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz> > wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Gene Polotas " <semmin@e...> > wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " > <fuzzie_wuz> > > > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " fmraerdy " <mybox234@b...> > > > wrote: > > > > > Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " > > > <fuzzie_wuz> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Judi Rhodes " > > > <judirhodes@c...> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Moller, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And the point of your book I believe > > > > > > > <snipped> > > > > > > > Judi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, Judi: > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you like a realized master or something? You speak with > such > > > > > > authority. Are you " enlightened " ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, fuzzball: > > > > > Are you really daft or something? You write with such > imbecility. > > > Are > > > > > you " ignorant " ? > > > > > > > > > > (just funnin' witcha, fuzz...) > > > > > > > > > > But, to continue the funnin'... > > > > > > > > > > No one can BE enlightened, surrounded by quotation marks or > > > > > otherwise, anymore than someone can BE non-enlightened, > similarly > > > > > surrounded or not. > > > > > > > > > > People discuss these " favorite " terms, in the same exact way > and > > > for > > > > > the same exact reason, other people discuss their " favorite " > > > sports > > > > > team players - because it's fun to talk about stuff, > especially > > > out > > > > > loud (and on paper, or email qualifies as being " out loud " ). > It - > > > the > > > > > mechanical act of - releases pleasurable chemicals and > > > neuropeptides > > > > > that circulate in the brain, that we educated humans can > > > call, " fun " > > > > > and others know what we mean. > > > > > > > > > > (Everybody knows what " fun " means and can communicate an > episode > > > of > > > > > fun to another human, with ease. Conversely, NO ONE knows what > > > > > " enlightenment " means nor can communicate an episode to > another > > > > > human... though many still (unbelievably) believe otherwise, > > > which is > > > > > why so many still waste oodles of time on these email lists, > > > wasting > > > > > more time trying to do it...) > > > > > > > > > > Caustic-to-a-fault (JR) may be having fun talking through her > hat > > > > > about " you name it " , in the same way Thin-Veneer (SVP) does, > and > > > > > countless others do, but to suggest she/he/anybody IS what > > > > > she/he/anybody might claim to be, is just silly. > > > > > She isn't, you isn't, it isn't. > > > > > > > > > > No one can BE a word, and words are all there is going on > here, in > > > > > print, in email. Words in print, black dots stimulating > transient > > > > > neural episodes in your own head as you hear/read them, that > you > > > can > > > > > neither control, predict, or comprehend, are more like mist, > > > vapor, > > > > > clouds, than anything substantial, like people. They just > happen, > > > and > > > > > when they do - on their own schedule - you have fun... or you > > > don't > > > > > (like when somebody, say, screams curse words at you and > calls you > > > > > stupid, ugly, and worthless). > > > > > > > > > > A better question to ask somebody - and then listen carefully > to > > > what > > > > > they reply, if at all - is, WHY do you talk about these > words, as > > > if > > > > > they are real, as if anybody who has at least half a > functioning > > > > > cortical intellect gives a goddamn about it? > > > > > > > > > > Ask JR, or SVP, and then watch 'em squirm, shuffle their > feet, hum > > > > > and haw, and >>change the subject<<. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm dumber'n a rock, Kid. I aint got sense enough to come in > outta > > > the > > > > rain. I just thought Big Mama Judi was fully enlightened, like > me. I > > > > am totally enlightened. Have been goin' on a couple a months, > now. > > > > Aint nothin' to it. It's totally awesome. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fuzzie > > > > > > > > P.S. I know, I know... everybody's rappin' aint nobody > enlightened, > > > > and, that's true, to an extent. But, you gotta be enlightened > to be > > > > able to tell there aint nobody enlightened, otherwise, you > wouldn't > > > > know that, you dig what I'm sayin'? > > > >================ > > > I agree fuzzie > > > > > > I have always been enlightened only my mind was telling me > otherwise. > > > Enlightenment is a thought, the mind. > > > > > > Now that my mind does not tell me I'm not enoightened I AM just > a > > > JOY of being the Nothing, Silence, that my mind will never > > > understand because it, this Silence, is not a thought. > > > > > > -- thoughts from nothing > > > > > > You're lucky. At least, you still got a mind. I lost mine. It got > lost > > when I went into samadhi and merged with pure awareness, > > undifferentiated. The mind split and all it left me was alone. But, > > I'm none the worser for it. Who needs it? That's what I say... > > > > > > > > fuzzie > >============================ > Kundalini (a mental dilution of the Self, Samadhi) blew my mind over > four years ago. It was literally a universe-shattering explosion of > JOY in which the thought of death should have killed me -- with > laughter. > > Compared to that unfathomable JOY of thoughtless Silence -- and as > you say UTTER AWARENESS -- and then laughter, this maya is, at > best, a JOKE that this body has to play " in between " the pure JOY of > Silence that I AM. > > -- and as thoughts come: if the gods only knew this joy and laughter > they would be breaking down my, your, doors to give us their souls > just so that they could also die laughing. > > gp I don't know what kundalini or samadhi or atman or brahman or any of that stuff is. I'm not a Hindu. I was just playin', before. I'm not any religion. I don't believe in gods or souls or any of that religious mumbo jumbo. All of that is just a continuation, a projection of the egoic mind. There is no self. That's all there is to it. Simply realize there is no self. But, it can't be forced; it cannot be made to happen. It has to happen naturally. No one can attain it on his own. There is no one there to own it. The idea of attaining it is absurd. fuzzie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2005 Report Share Posted May 20, 2005 There is no self. That's all there is to it. Simply realize there is no self. But, it can't be forced; it cannot be made to happen. It has to happen naturally. No one can attain it on his own. There is no one there to own it. The idea of attaining it is absurd. what makes you think that, Fuzzie? /KA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2005 Report Share Posted May 20, 2005 Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy> wrote: > There is no self. That's all there is to it. Simply realize there is > no self. But, it can't be forced; it cannot be made to happen. It has > to happen naturally. No one can attain it on his own. There is no one > there to own it. The idea of attaining it is absurd. > > > what makes you think that, Fuzzie? > > > /KA I don't know. What makes fuzzie think that? What makes fuzzie think? What makes fuzzie? What is? Is. There's no fuzzie thinking. There's just thinking. fuzzie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2005 Report Share Posted May 20, 2005 Hey you idiot ! Well, I started this post without using a name. Which body/mind organism was I addressing, that one which gave itself the nick " Kip " or that with the nick " fuzzie " ? The body/mind Kip seems to be more intelligent because it knows how to use names. Even a dog knows who was meant when his name was called. Werner Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy> wrote: > > There is no self. That's all there is to it. Simply realize there is > > no self. But, it can't be forced; it cannot be made to happen. It has > > to happen naturally. No one can attain it on his own. There is no one > > there to own it. The idea of attaining it is absurd. > > > > > > what makes you think that, Fuzzie? > > > > > > /KA > > I don't know. What makes fuzzie think that? What makes fuzzie think? > What makes fuzzie? What is? Is. > > There's no fuzzie thinking. There's just thinking. > > fuzzie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2005 Report Share Posted May 20, 2005 hello, maybe you could have a dog....would be a better understanding so.... Regards Marc Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > Hey you idiot ! > > Well, I started this post without using a name. Which body/mind > organism was I addressing, that one which gave itself the nick " Kip " > or that with the nick " fuzzie " ? > > The body/mind Kip seems to be more intelligent because it knows how > to use names. Even a dog knows who was meant when his name was called. > > Werner > > > Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz> > wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy> > wrote: > > > There is no self. That's all there is to it. Simply realize there > is > > > no self. But, it can't be forced; it cannot be made to happen. It > has > > > to happen naturally. No one can attain it on his own. There is no > one > > > there to own it. The idea of attaining it is absurd. > > > > > > > > > what makes you think that, Fuzzie? > > > > > > > > > /KA > > > > I don't know. What makes fuzzie think that? What makes fuzzie think? > > What makes fuzzie? What is? Is. > > > > There's no fuzzie thinking. There's just thinking. > > > > fuzzie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2005 Report Share Posted May 20, 2005 Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz> wrote: > > I don't know what kundalini or samadhi or atman or brahman or any of > that stuff is. I'm not a Hindu. I was just playin', before. I'm not > any religion. I don't believe in gods or souls or any of that > religious mumbo jumbo. All of that is just a continuation, a > projection of the egoic mind. > > There is no self. That's all there is to it. Simply realize there is > no self. But, it can't be forced; it cannot be made to happen. It has > to happen naturally. No one can attain it on his own. There is no one > there to own it. The idea of attaining it is absurd. > > fuzzie ************ See to your own lovelessness and all will be shown. Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2005 Report Share Posted May 20, 2005 Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy> wrote: > > There is no self. That's all there is to it. Simply realize there is > > no self. But, it can't be forced; it cannot be made to happen. It has > > to happen naturally. No one can attain it on his own. There is no one > > there to own it. The idea of attaining it is absurd. > > > > > > what makes you think that, Fuzzie? > > > > > > /KA > > I don't know. What makes fuzzie think that? What makes fuzzie think? > What makes fuzzie? What is? Is. > > There's no fuzzie thinking. There's just thinking. > > fuzzie I accept that you don't know. Thinking wrote: " There is no self. That's all there is to it. Simply realize there is no self. But, it can't be forced; it cannot be made to happen. It has to happen naturally. No one can attain it on his own. There is no one there to own it. The idea of attaining it is absurd. " mmmmh.....yes! There's only writing! Thank Godness!What a nightmare otherwise; spiritual hobgoblins preaching the natural way of how to attain the unattainable. )) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2005 Report Share Posted May 20, 2005 Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz> > wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy> > wrote: > > > There is no self. That's all there is to it. Simply realize there > is > > > no self. But, it can't be forced; it cannot be made to happen. It > has > > > to happen naturally. No one can attain it on his own. There is no > one > > > there to own it. The idea of attaining it is absurd. > > > > > > > > > what makes you think that, Fuzzie? > > > > > > > > > /KA > > > > I don't know. What makes fuzzie think that? What makes fuzzie think? > > What makes fuzzie? What is? Is. > > > > There's no fuzzie thinking. There's just thinking. > > > > fuzzie > > > I accept that you don't know. > > Thinking wrote: > > " There is no self. That's all there is to it. Simply realize there is > no self. But, it can't be forced; it cannot be made to happen. It has > to happen naturally. No one can attain it on his own. There is no one > there to own it. The idea of attaining it is absurd. " > > mmmmh.....yes! There's only writing! Thank Godness!What a nightmare > otherwise; spiritual hobgoblins preaching the natural way of how to > attain the unattainable. > > )) What's your take on it, Kip? It IS only writing, is it not? If not, what is it? Do you believe that " Kip " exists outside of the imaginary realm of " spiritual hobgoblins " and " otherwise " nightmarish visions? fuzzie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2005 Report Share Posted May 20, 2005 Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz> > wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy> > wrote: > > > There is no self. That's all there is to it. Simply realize there > is > > > no self. But, it can't be forced; it cannot be made to happen. It > has > > > to happen naturally. No one can attain it on his own. There is no > one > > > there to own it. The idea of attaining it is absurd. > > > > > > > > > what makes you think that, Fuzzie? > > > > > > > > > /KA > > > > I don't know. What makes fuzzie think that? What makes fuzzie think? > > What makes fuzzie? What is? Is. > > > > There's no fuzzie thinking. There's just thinking. > > > > fuzzie > > > I accept that you don't know. > > Thinking wrote: > > " There is no self. That's all there is to it. Simply realize there is > no self. But, it can't be forced; it cannot be made to happen. It has > to happen naturally. No one can attain it on his own. There is no one > there to own it. The idea of attaining it is absurd. " > > mmmmh.....yes! There's only writing! Thank Godness!What a nightmare > otherwise; spiritual hobgoblins preaching the natural way of how to > attain the unattainable. > > )) The source of repetitive speaking of hysterical half truths remains unrealized. Fear's maw and fang is held at bay by howling at the moon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2005 Report Share Posted May 20, 2005 Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz> > > wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy> > > wrote: > > > > There is no self. That's all there is to it. Simply realize there > > is > > > > no self. But, it can't be forced; it cannot be made to happen. It > > has > > > > to happen naturally. No one can attain it on his own. There is no > > one > > > > there to own it. The idea of attaining it is absurd. > > > > > > > > > > > > what makes you think that, Fuzzie? > > > > > > > > > > > > /KA > > > > > > I don't know. What makes fuzzie think that? What makes fuzzie think? > > > What makes fuzzie? What is? Is. > > > > > > There's no fuzzie thinking. There's just thinking. > > > > > > fuzzie > > > > > > I accept that you don't know. > > > > Thinking wrote: > > > > " There is no self. That's all there is to it. Simply realize there is > > no self. But, it can't be forced; it cannot be made to happen. It has > > to happen naturally. No one can attain it on his own. There is no one > > there to own it. The idea of attaining it is absurd. " > > > > mmmmh.....yes! There's only writing! Thank Godness!What a nightmare > > otherwise; spiritual hobgoblins preaching the natural way of how to > > attain the unattainable. > > > > )) > > > What's your take on it, Kip? It IS only writing, is it not? If not, > what is it? Do you believe that " Kip " exists outside of the imaginary > realm of " spiritual hobgoblins " and " otherwise " nightmarish visions? > > fuzzie The perfect howl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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