Guest guest Posted May 19, 2005 Report Share Posted May 19, 2005 Nisargadatta , Adithya K <adithya_comming> wrote: > > Realization, enlightenment, guru, disciple all are ...Mental Constructs ... > > > > All are product of duality and thoughts ... > > > > All are product of ...IGNORANCE. > > > > # > > > > To consider yourself to be a disciple is to be stuck in ...duality, in ignorance ... > > > > To consider yourself to be a guru is to be stuck in duality. > > > > To consider yourself realized is to be stuck in duality ... > > > > To consider yourself to be `un-realized' is to be stuck in duality ... > > > > > > `yourself' is Duality ... Oneness doesn't mean ... I AM you ... Oneness doesn't mean I am the World ... I am the Universe ... I am God. Oneness means ...I AM me, you, world, God, Universe all are ...product of duality . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2005 Report Share Posted May 19, 2005 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > Nisargadatta , Adithya K <adithya_comming> > wrote: > > > > Realization, enlightenment, guru, disciple all are ...Mental > Constructs ... > > > > > > > > All are product of duality and thoughts ... > > > > > > > > All are product of ...IGNORANCE. > > > > > > > > # > > > > > > > > To consider yourself to be a disciple is to be stuck in ...duality, > in ignorance ... > > > > > > > > To consider yourself to be a guru is to be stuck in duality. > > > > > > > > To consider yourself realized is to be stuck in duality ... > > > > > > > > To consider yourself to be `un-realized' is to be stuck in > duality ... > > > > > > > > > > > > `yourself' is Duality ... > > > Oneness doesn't mean ... > > I AM you ... > > > Oneness doesn't mean > > I am the World ... > > I am the Universe ... > > I am God. > > > Oneness means ...I AM > > me, you, world, God, Universe all are ...product of duality . Hi ac, Is there some thing or anything beyond words, thoughts? Lewis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2005 Report Share Posted May 19, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Lewis Burgess " <lbb10@c...> wrote: > Hi ac, > Is there some thing or anything beyond words, thoughts? > Lewis Hi Lewis, Is there some thing or anything beyond mental masturbation, verbal diarrhea? Do you think you'll ever " get tired " of stroking yourself in public - here, GR, AtoZ, elsewhere - or will you die the same way you lived, pleasuring yourself? Is there some thing or anything beyond self-pleasuring? Or do you think/believe, that all the human mind is " made for " is pleasuring itself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2005 Report Share Posted May 19, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Lewis Burgess " <lbb10@c...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Adithya K <adithya_comming> > > wrote: > > > > > > Realization, enlightenment, guru, disciple all are ...Mental > > Constructs ... > > > > > > > > > > > > All are product of duality and thoughts ... > > > > > > > > > > > > All are product of ...IGNORANCE. > > > > > > > > > > > > # > > > > > > > > > > > > To consider yourself to be a disciple is to be stuck in ...duality, > > in ignorance ... > > > > > > > > > > > > To consider yourself to be a guru is to be stuck in duality. > > > > > > > > > > > > To consider yourself realized is to be stuck in duality ... > > > > > > > > > > > > To consider yourself to be `un-realized' is to be stuck in > > duality ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > `yourself' is Duality ... > > > > > > Oneness doesn't mean ... > > > > I AM you ... > > > > > > Oneness doesn't mean > > > > I am the World ... > > > > I am the Universe ... > > > > I am God. > > > > > > Oneness means ...I AM > > > > me, you, world, God, Universe all are ...product of duality . > > Hi ac, > > Is there some thing or anything beyond words, thoughts? > > Lewis Hi Lewis, Is the THINKER ....a 'product' of its 'own' thoughts ? Second, ....Does the above answer your question? regards, ac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2005 Report Share Posted May 19, 2005 Nisargadatta , " fmraerdy " <mybox234@b...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " Lewis Burgess " <lbb10@c...> > wrote: > > Hi ac, > > Is there some thing or anything beyond words, thoughts? > > Lewis > > Hi Lewis, > Is there some thing or anything beyond mental masturbation, verbal > diarrhea? > > Do you think you'll ever " get tired " of stroking yourself in public - > here, GR, AtoZ, elsewhere - or will you die the same way you lived, > pleasuring yourself? > > Is there some thing or anything beyond self-pleasuring? > Or do you think/believe, that all the human mind is " made for " is > pleasuring itself? Let's see: There's self-pleasuring; or, getting fucked. Which is for you? There's, also, no-pleasure at all. But, that's boring... fuzzie jerkie P.S. It's all fun and games til somebody loses an " I " . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2005 Report Share Posted May 19, 2005 Nisargadatta , " fmraerdy " <mybox234@b...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " Lewis Burgess " <lbb10@c...> > wrote: > > Hi ac, > > Is there some thing or anything beyond words, thoughts? > > Lewis > > Hi Lewis, > Is there some thing or anything beyond mental masturbation, verbal > diarrhea? > > Do you think you'll ever " get tired " of stroking yourself in public - > here, GR, AtoZ, elsewhere - or will you die the same way you lived, > pleasuring yourself? > > Is there some thing or anything beyond self-pleasuring? > Or do you think/believe, that all the human mind is " made for " is > pleasuring itself? Hi fmraerdy , Is there some thing or anything beyond mental masturbation, verbal diarrhea? Do you think you'll ever " get tired " of stroking yourself in public - here, GR, AtoZ, elsewhere - or will you die the same way you lived, pleasuring yourself? Is there some thing or anything beyond self-pleasuring? Or do you think/believe, that all the human mind is " made for " is pleasuring itself? mirror Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2005 Report Share Posted May 19, 2005 Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " fmraerdy " <mybox234@b...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Lewis Burgess " <lbb10@c...> > > wrote: > > > Hi ac, > > > Is there some thing or anything beyond words, thoughts? > > > Lewis > > > > Hi Lewis, > > Is there some thing or anything beyond mental masturbation, verbal > > diarrhea? > > > > Do you think you'll ever " get tired " of stroking yourself in public - > > here, GR, AtoZ, elsewhere - or will you die the same way you lived, > > pleasuring yourself? > > > > Is there some thing or anything beyond self-pleasuring? > > Or do you think/believe, that all the human mind is " made for " is > > pleasuring itself? > > > Let's see: There's self-pleasuring; or, getting fucked. Which is for > you? There's, also, no-pleasure at all. But, that's boring... > > > > fuzzie jerkie > > P.S. It's all fun and games til somebody loses an " I " . Hi fuzzie , Is there some thing or anything beyond mental masturbation, verbal diarrhea? Do you think you'll ever " get tired " of stroking yourself in public - here, GR, AtoZ, elsewhere - or will you die the same way you lived, pleasuring yourself? Is there some thing or anything beyond self-pleasuring? Or do you think/believe, that all the human mind is " made for " is pleasuring itself? Let's see: There's self-pleasuring; or, getting fucked. Which is for you? There's, also, no-pleasure at all. But, that's boring... fuzzie jerkie P.S. It's all fun and games til somebody loses an " I " mirror Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2005 Report Share Posted May 19, 2005 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " Lewis Burgess " <lbb10@c...> > wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , Adithya K > <adithya_comming> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Realization, enlightenment, guru, disciple all are ...Mental > > > Constructs ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All are product of duality and thoughts ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All are product of ...IGNORANCE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > # > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To consider yourself to be a disciple is to be stuck > in ...duality, > > > in ignorance ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To consider yourself to be a guru is to be stuck in duality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To consider yourself realized is to be stuck in duality ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To consider yourself to be `un-realized' is to be stuck in > > > duality ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > `yourself' is Duality ... > > > > > > > > > Oneness doesn't mean ... > > > > > > I AM you ... > > > > > > > > > Oneness doesn't mean > > > > > > I am the World ... > > > > > > I am the Universe ... > > > > > > I am God. > > > > > > > > > Oneness means ...I AM > > > > > > me, you, world, God, Universe all are ...product of duality . > > > > Hi ac, > > > > Is there some thing or anything beyond words, thoughts? > > > > Lewis > > Hi Lewis, > > > Is the THINKER ....a 'product' > of its 'own' thoughts ? > Yes. > > Second, > ...Does the above answer your question? An answer was not sought. It was your response that was sought. Thanks. Lewis > > > regards, > ac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2005 Report Share Posted May 19, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Lewis Burgess " <lbb10@c...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Lewis Burgess " <lbb10@c...> > > wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , Adithya K > > <adithya_comming> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Realization, enlightenment, guru, disciple all are ...Mental > > > > Constructs ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All are product of duality and thoughts ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All are product of ...IGNORANCE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > # > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To consider yourself to be a disciple is to be stuck > > in ...duality, > > > > in ignorance ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To consider yourself to be a guru is to be stuck in duality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To consider yourself realized is to be stuck in duality ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To consider yourself to be `un-realized' is to be stuck in > > > > duality ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > `yourself' is Duality ... > > > > > > > > > > > > Oneness doesn't mean ... > > > > > > > > I AM you ... > > > > > > > > > > > > Oneness doesn't mean > > > > > > > > I am the World ... > > > > > > > > I am the Universe ... > > > > > > > > I am God. > > > > > > > > > > > > Oneness means ...I AM > > > > > > > > me, you, world, God, Universe all are ...product of duality . > > > > > > Hi ac, > > > > > > Is there some thing or anything beyond words, thoughts? > > > > > > Lewis > > Is the THINKER ....a 'product' > > of its 'own' thoughts ? > > > > > Yes. Is this a `logical' answer ... a `rational' one ... a `spiritual' one ... a `mystical' one ... a `real' answer ... an `honest' opinion a `philosophical' one ... or, ....a mere attempt to Debate. A person who will `like' to debate ...'anything' ... Who will `debate' just for the sake of ..'debating' ....? Yes, all the above are really honest and genuine questions from my POV. Either, I haven't understood your `POV' or, I I have, then, you are " ........... " > > > > > Second, > > ...Does the above answer your question? > > > An answer was not sought. A " ? " is many times understood as `seeking an answer'. (as in your words above, .... " Is there some thing or anything beyond words, thoughts? " ) >It was your response that was sought. > > Thanks. > > Lewis > > > > > > > regards, > > ac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2005 Report Share Posted May 19, 2005 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " Lewis Burgess " <lbb10@c...> > wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " Lewis Burgess " <lbb10@c...> > > > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > > > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > > Nisargadatta , Adithya K > > > <adithya_comming> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Realization, enlightenment, guru, disciple all > are ...Mental > > > > > Constructs ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All are product of duality and thoughts ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All are product of ...IGNORANCE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > # > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To consider yourself to be a disciple is to be stuck > > > in ...duality, > > > > > in ignorance ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To consider yourself to be a guru is to be stuck in duality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To consider yourself realized is to be stuck in duality ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To consider yourself to be `un-realized' is to be stuck in > > > > > duality ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > `yourself' is Duality ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oneness doesn't mean ... > > > > > > > > > > I AM you ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oneness doesn't mean > > > > > > > > > > I am the World ... > > > > > > > > > > I am the Universe ... > > > > > > > > > > I am God. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oneness means ...I AM > > > > > > > > > > me, you, world, God, Universe all are ...product of duality . > > > > > > > > Hi ac, > > > > > > > > Is there some thing or anything beyond words, thoughts? > > > > > > > > Lewis > > > Is the THINKER ....a 'product' > > > of its 'own' thoughts ? > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > Is this a `logical' answer ... > > a `rational' one ... > > a `spiritual' one ... > > a `mystical' one ... > > a `real' answer ... > > an `honest' opinion > > > a `philosophical' one ... > > > or, > > ...a mere attempt to Debate. > > A person who will `like' to > debate ...'anything' ... > > Who will `debate' just for the sake of ..'debating' ....? > > > > > Yes, all the above are really honest and > genuine questions from my POV. > > Either, I haven't understood your `POV' > > or, > > I I have, then, > you are " ........... " Lewis: A yes or no question was asked in response to a yes or no question asked to me to you, which is as a good a response as any other you could have made since the dialogue continues. I answered the response/question in the affirmative. That is the answer given as I am at this moment. My POV at the moment is made obvious by the answer. We go on. > > > > > > > > > Second, > > > ...Does the above answer your question? > > > > > > An answer was not sought. > > A " ? " is many times understood as > `seeking an answer'. > > (as in your words above, .... > > " Is there some thing or anything > beyond words, thoughts? " > > ) Lewis: Yes. It can be assumed that the questioner is seeking answer to some own problem or interest. It also can be assumed otherwise as in this case. In any case, you answered the question from your POV or opinion or conception of what you think I am and what you thought I was asking. It makes no difference. The response composed of two questions was responded to as it goes. I answered in the way I took the questions to mean as you did as we do. > >It was your response that was sought. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Lewis > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > ac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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