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Nisargadatta , " sam_t_7 " <sam_t_7> wrote:

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><<snip>>>

>

> Sam: ..... even though the guy

> whol " killed Jesus " may have been bar-mitzvahed the one who gives

> the decree, or signs the memo in this case, takes the weight of it

> since if he, the ruling authotity, didn't sign it they wouldn't

have

> had a big crucifiction would of they? Since the Jews and Romans

> both did it maybe their accomplises.>>

 

OK, so me and my Sanhedrin buddies want to put out a contract on the

guy some lepers and a former blind guy call " The Nazz. "

 

If we just fit Him with a pair of cement sandles (remember this guy

walks on water!) and take him for a little boat ride on Lake

Tiberias, there might be a little backlash from the loaves and fishes

crowd.

 

However, if we can get the Legal Authorities (Pontius Pilate, J Edgar

Hoover, whomever) to sanction (grant us a warrant) the wacking, and

even get them to do the dirty deed themselves, we can distance

ourselves from the brutal crucifixion of " the Lord " , so we won't have

to worry about attendance dropping off at the Temple's Friday

services.

 

Sure you can call the Romans accomplices all you want but they were

unwitting accomplices to be sure. The Romans were played by the

Sanhedrin. As as been amply documented, Pilate would have been more

than happy to wash his hands of the whole thing, if only had he been

so able. Pilate though Jesus to be just another, garden variety,

religious fanatci and really didn't want to be involved in what he

considered to be a strictly intramural matter between the High

Priests and some religious upstart.

 

Pilate was a good administrator but a moral coward who was

manipulated by the Sanhedrin into signing off on Jesus' death warrant.

 

Nothing esoteric about it. Plain politics, pure and simple. It's all

about money and control. So vat els iss nu????

 

 

<<further snip>>

 

> I'm luvin Pete's explanation now. So true, the Heart Attack of

> Jesus wouldn't have made it past the 10th decade A.D.

>

> The old childhood game of clue comes to mind at this moment.

> Pilate did it .... in the temple ..... with a pen.>>

 

No. Judas did it.....in the garden......with a kiss.

 

Mr. E

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In a message dated 4/21/05 5:58:54 PM, sam_t_7 writes:

 

 

> Sam:    Ha hahahhahaha

> Judas in the garden with a kiss was my second choice.  REALLY it was!

>

> I have absolutely no idea why I'm currently interested in western

> christian history, [never thought that would ever happen to me] but

> here I am engrossed in these 3 books mentioned.  Just picked up the

> 3rd book today called, The book of Hiram, and it's reading almost

> like a Hardy Boys/Nancy Drew mystery and I'm tellin ya I'm

> rivetted.  Who knew? 

>

P: Well, let's indulge a little speculation (a la Al Anders) based

on some historic facts.

 

Fact # 1: Jesus died at the ripe old age of 33 (average life span

at that time was below 30) so natural death by one of the many

contagious deadly diseases running amuck at that time is

not out of the question.

 

Fact # 2: There is no historic record either in Judea, or Rome

that a Jesus lived, preached, and was executed for crimes against

the state at that time.

 

Fact # 3: The Roman bureaucracy ran a vast empire and kept

detailed records of all major events. It would have been in

Pontious Pilate interest to let the Emperor know he had

executed a rebel who claimed to be King of Judea. It

seems Jesus was either never crucified, or the records

of the event were so negative to his image that after

Constantine conversion to Christianity the unflattering records

were destroyed.

 

Let's imagine that the little caper with the Temple's merchants went sour,

and one of the merchants came after Jesus with a chair, and

knocked him dead. Well, you could not put that in the Gospels, it

sounds almost like the merchant was only defending his property like

any reasonable businessman would do. No drama there, no heroic

death. Could it be that the disciples went to preach to the Greeks

because everyone in Judea knew who Jesus really was, and how

he died. Just a wild guess.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " sam_t_7 " <sam_t_7> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " misterenlightenment "

> <misterenlightenment> wrote:

>

> Sure you can call the Romans accomplices all you want but they

were

> unwitting accomplices to be sure. The Romans were played by the

> Sanhedrin. As as been amply documented, Pilate would have been

more

> than happy to wash his hands of the whole thing, if only had he

been

> so able. Pilate though Jesus to be just another, garden variety,

> religious fanatci and really didn't want to be involved in what he

> considered to be a strictly intramural matter between the High

> Priests and some religious upstart.

>

> Pilate was a good administrator but a moral coward who was

> manipulated by the Sanhedrin into signing off on Jesus' death

warrant.

>

> Nothing esoteric about it. Plain politics, pure and simple. It's

all

> about money and control. So vat els iss nu????

>

>

> <<further snip>>

>

> > I'm luvin Pete's explanation now. So true, the Heart Attack of

> > Jesus wouldn't have made it past the 10th decade A.D.

> >

> > The old childhood game of clue comes to mind at this moment.

> > Pilate did it .... in the temple ..... with a pen.>>

>

> No. Judas did it.....in the garden......with a kiss.

>

> Mr. E

 

 

Sam: Ha hahahhahaha

Judas in the garden with a kiss was my second choice. REALLY it was!

 

I have absolutely no idea why I'm currently interested in western

christian history, [never thought that would ever happen to me] but

here I am engrossed in these 3 books mentioned. Just picked up the

3rd book today called, The book of Hiram, and it's reading almost

like a Hardy Boys/Nancy Drew mystery and I'm tellin ya I'm

rivetted. Who knew?

 

Anyhow, this book sheds some different light on Rome at that time.

Apparently they were looking for a knew religion in order to control

the masses. At that time in the now [ever staying advaitta correct

LOL] church and state weren't separate as they are now, oops, I

forgot about Bush, oh nevermind -- so they needed a new religion to

call their own to keep control. They saw this new Nazorean/Essene

sect that belonged to Jesus,James,John etc., and saw it as a perfect

plan. One problem though, they had to kill the head guys because

they weren't giving their secrets out to those Roman guys. James

was killed later and Paul, so the story is now going, was actually

in league with Paul and Peter who had [for whatever reason, I can't

remember now] gone more over to the Roman side of things.

If your at all interested in this sort of history I highly recommend

this trilogy by C Knight. I have this sense of the theories put

forward in these books as being true, simply because it correlates

well with Roman Catholicism known history and Free Masonry history.

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote:

>

> In a message dated 4/21/05 5:58:54 PM, sam_t_7 writes:

>

>

> > Sam:    Ha hahahhahaha

> > Judas in the garden with a kiss was my second choice.  REALLY it

was!

> >

> > I have absolutely no idea why I'm currently interested in western

> > christian history, [never thought that would ever happen to me]

but

> > here I am engrossed in these 3 books mentioned.  Just picked up

the

> > 3rd book today called, The book of Hiram, and it's reading almost

> > like a Hardy Boys/Nancy Drew mystery and I'm tellin ya I'm

> > rivetted.  Who knew? 

> >

> P: Well, let's indulge a little speculation (a la Al Anders) based

> on some historic facts.

>

> Fact # 1: Jesus died at the ripe old age of 33 (average life span

> at that time was below 30) so natural death by one of the many

> contagious deadly diseases running amuck at that time is

> not out of the question.

>

> Fact # 2: There is no historic record either in Judea, or Rome

> that a Jesus lived, preached, and was executed for crimes against

> the state at that time.

>

> Fact # 3: The Roman bureaucracy ran a vast empire and kept

> detailed records of all major events. It would have been in

> Pontious Pilate interest to let the Emperor know he had

> executed a rebel who claimed to be King of Judea. It

> seems Jesus was either never crucified, or the records

> of the event were so negative to his image that after

> Constantine conversion to Christianity the unflattering records

> were destroyed.

>

> Let's imagine that the little caper with the Temple's merchants

went sour,

> and one of the merchants came after Jesus with a chair, and

> knocked him dead. Well, you could not put that in the Gospels, it

> sounds almost like the merchant was only defending his property

like

> any reasonable businessman would do. No drama there, no heroic

> death. Could it be that the disciples went to preach to the Greeks

> because everyone in Judea knew who Jesus really was, and how

> he died. Just a wild guess.

 

" History " is a few teaspoons of water...from an ancient...extinct

river.

 

 

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