His Holiness Sri Sri Sri Popeyeanandaji and Dharma Combat

April 19, 2005

Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz>

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033>

wrote:

> >

> > Direct knowing is all that matters.

> >

> > I posted those quotes only to show there was more to Niz's

teachings,

> > and one needs to take in the whole of his thought, not bits

> > that fit with what one believes.

> >

> > My understanding is that iam is not a landing place, is not

> > worth trying to make into an ultimacy.

> >

> > Allow it to evaporate between one's fingers, and allow the

> > fingers to evaporate. Now " allowing " evaporates as well.

> >

> > No affirmation, no negation *here* -- yet the world of

> > communication, affirmations and negations, relationships,

> > spins on in its spinning -- as *this* having no negating

> > or affirming quality won't negate the mental-emotionally

> > wrought world of relating and communicating, nor the

> > felt sense of being or iamness.

> >

> > Yet, this instant all evaporates.

> >

> > As Niz said, it all goes, and even being aware of the going -

goes.

> >

> > Now, nothing can be said about *this* ...

> >

> > ;-)

> >

> > -- Dan

>

> Alright, Dan:

>

> " Nothing can be said about *this*... " But, I bet you say a whole lot

> more about *this*, and, I bet you I still am, no matter how many

> people are in denial. There's too much 'appeal to authority' on

here.

> You and Toombaru tend to 'appeal to authority' to justify your

> beliefs. This is a common fallacy in logic and should be avoided

> unless one wants to fall into a kind of dogmatic, tautological

> circular logic. Most religions tend to follow that trend. Beware.

>

> I AM is self-evident. You don't need a holy man to confirm it for

you.

> You know it automatically; without trying; no effort. Anyone with

any

> sincerity can realize that they are, that they exist. That is

> self-realization. Subsequently, along with this being-ness is the

> accompanying awareness that one exists. And, that's all there is;

> being-awareness. Everything else is just icing on the cake, so to

> speak. I know, you'll say that some old holy man in Bombay said

> something to somebody sometime before he died and, therefore, a

school

> of thought has been cultivated around him and you must not betray

your

> faith and self-investment in this particular belief system and so

on.

> But, I am just asking you to look at the evidence. Forget about the

> ideology. Look at the evidence: You are. You are aware. That's all

you

> know. The rest is just the myriad " ten thousand things " , the eternal

> dance of Shiva, the illusory world of samsara, etc., etc.

>

> I AM what I AM and that's all that I AM.

>

> (Popeye had it right).

>

> Yours,

>

> fuzzie>>

The picture of Sri Popeye smoking his spinach bong (thanks to Anna's

link to the Popeye Dharma site) has been installed on my altar right

next to my other favorite Spiritual Hall of Famers, Ramana,

Nisargadatta, Ramakrishna and Jesus.

And fuzzie-wuzzie your brilliant post has kicked off my day in a most

wonderful way.

Your " dharma combat " dialogues with Toombaru and Dan are really

excellent and non-thought provoking.

If you guys keep this up, I will not get very much telemarketing done

for yet another week.

Oh well, " gainful employment " is just another conceptual construct to

be transcended anyway.

Who says I can't just sit in my rocking chair with my spinach beside

me and just read and post all day?

I mean, besides my wife?

The Totality of Functioning? The Big C ? The Absolute?

(Nah, I don't think they care.)

April 19, 2005

Nisargadatta , " misterenlightenment "

<misterenlightenment> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Direct knowing is all that matters.

> > >

> > > I posted those quotes only to show there was more to Niz's

> teachings,

> > > and one needs to take in the whole of his thought, not bits

> > > that fit with what one believes.

> > >

> > > My understanding is that iam is not a landing place, is not

> > > worth trying to make into an ultimacy.

> > >

> > > Allow it to evaporate between one's fingers, and allow the

> > > fingers to evaporate. Now " allowing " evaporates as well.

> > >

> > > No affirmation, no negation *here* -- yet the world of

> > > communication, affirmations and negations, relationships,

> > > spins on in its spinning -- as *this* having no negating

> > > or affirming quality won't negate the mental-emotionally

> > > wrought world of relating and communicating, nor the

> > > felt sense of being or iamness.

> > >

> > > Yet, this instant all evaporates.

> > >

> > > As Niz said, it all goes, and even being aware of the going -

> goes.

> > >

> > > Now, nothing can be said about *this* ...

> > >

> > > ;-)

> > >

> > > -- Dan

> >

> > Alright, Dan:

> >

> > " Nothing can be said about *this*... " But, I bet you say a whole lot

> > more about *this*, and, I bet you I still am, no matter how many

> > people are in denial. There's too much 'appeal to authority' on

> here.

> > You and Toombaru tend to 'appeal to authority' to justify your

> > beliefs. This is a common fallacy in logic and should be avoided

> > unless one wants to fall into a kind of dogmatic, tautological

> > circular logic. Most religions tend to follow that trend. Beware.

> >

> > I AM is self-evident. You don't need a holy man to confirm it for

> you.

> > You know it automatically; without trying; no effort. Anyone with

> any

> > sincerity can realize that they are, that they exist. That is

> > self-realization. Subsequently, along with this being-ness is the

> > accompanying awareness that one exists. And, that's all there is;

> > being-awareness. Everything else is just icing on the cake, so to

> > speak. I know, you'll say that some old holy man in Bombay said

> > something to somebody sometime before he died and, therefore, a

> school

> > of thought has been cultivated around him and you must not betray

> your

> > faith and self-investment in this particular belief system and so

> on.

> > But, I am just asking you to look at the evidence. Forget about the

> > ideology. Look at the evidence: You are. You are aware. That's all

> you

> > know. The rest is just the myriad " ten thousand things " , the eternal

> > dance of Shiva, the illusory world of samsara, etc., etc.

> >

> > I AM what I AM and that's all that I AM.

> >

> > (Popeye had it right).

> >

> > Yours,

> >

> > fuzzie>>

>

> The picture of Sri Popeye smoking his spinach bong (thanks to Anna's

> link to the Popeye Dharma site) has been installed on my altar right

> next to my other favorite Spiritual Hall of Famers, Ramana,

> Nisargadatta, Ramakrishna and Jesus.

>

> And fuzzie-wuzzie your brilliant post has kicked off my day in a most

> wonderful way.

>

> Your " dharma combat " dialogues with Toombaru and Dan are really

> excellent and non-thought provoking.

>

> If you guys keep this up, I will not get very much telemarketing done

> for yet another week.

>

> Oh well, " gainful employment " is just another conceptual construct to

> be transcended anyway.

>

> Who says I can't just sit in my rocking chair with my spinach beside

> me and just read and post all day?

>

> I mean, besides my wife?

>

> The Totality of Functioning? The Big C ? The Absolute?

>

> (Nah, I don't think they care.)

For real, Mr. E.:

Nah, I aint doing no dharma combat or anything. There's nothing to

combat. People are in denial. You see it everywhere. How do you think

Bush got re-elected? See what I'm saying? And, these neo-Advaitins are

the same way. They are in denial of their own existence. The absurdity

of this kind of logic cannot be stressed enough. By their very denial,

they implicitly affirm their existence. But, Dr. E., it doesn't do any

good to combat them. Realization is something that has to happen on

its own. No one can make it happen. It happens by Grace, if it happens

at all.

So, I say, let it be. I know. That sounds trite and hackneyed. But, it

is the Way. Just be. You can't help it, anyhow.

Yours truly,

fuzzie

P.S. Keep them cards and letters coming, man. I need the laughter.

It's good for the immune system. Thanks.

April 20, 2005

> >

> > (Nah, I don't think they care.)

>

> For real, Mr. E.:

>

> Nah, I aint doing no dharma combat or anything. There's nothing to

> combat. People are in denial. You see it everywhere. How do you think

> Bush got re-elected? See what I'm saying? And, these neo-Advaitins are

> the same way. They are in denial of their own existence. The absurdity

> of this kind of logic cannot be stressed enough. By their very denial,

> they implicitly affirm their existence. But, Dr. E., it doesn't do any

> good to combat them. Realization is something that has to happen on

> its own. No one can make it happen. It happens by Grace, if it happens

> at all.

>

" Grace " is another word for:

" Someone.....pleeese help me " .

toombaru

April 20, 2005

Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote:

>

> > >

> > > (Nah, I don't think they care.)

> >

> > For real, Mr. E.:

> >

> > Nah, I aint doing no dharma combat or anything. There's nothing to

> > combat. People are in denial. You see it everywhere. How do you think

> > Bush got re-elected? See what I'm saying? And, these neo-Advaitins are

> > the same way. They are in denial of their own existence. The absurdity

> > of this kind of logic cannot be stressed enough. By their very denial,

> > they implicitly affirm their existence. But, Dr. E., it doesn't do any

> > good to combat them. Realization is something that has to happen on

> > its own. No one can make it happen. It happens by Grace, if it happens

> > at all.

> >

>

> " Grace " is another word for:

>

> " Someone.....pleeese help me " .

>

> toombaru

Yes! And by looking outside ourselves for support we give our power

away. I am not talking about asking someone for the way to a certain

address in a city or for asking someone else for help. I am talking

about the sense of who we are in the depths of our being. Why do I

need religion to give me meaning? Only when God is seen as something

outside oneself is grace needed. Religion has a vital function to

play, but only as a crutch until we are mature enough to be on our own.

al.

April 20, 2005

-

anders_lindman

Nisargadatta

Wednesday, April 20, 2005 6:59 AM

Re: His Holiness Sri Sri Sri Popeyeanandaji and Dharma

Combat