Guest guest Posted April 17, 2005 Report Share Posted April 17, 2005 All I know is in my consciousness. Even all the things I don't know is in my consciousness. Everything of what the world is for me is in my consciousness. Even the idea that there are things in the world that is not in my consciousness is in my consciousness! This means that there is no separation between the world an my consciousness. None. Your consciousness is the same. Everything you know about the world is in your consciousness. Everything. If you and I are experiencing the same world then our consciousness meet in the mirror of physical matter. Maybe our consciousness is one, observing itself in the mirror of physical matter. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > All I know is in my consciousness. Even all the things I don't know is > in my consciousness. Everything of what the world is for me is in my > consciousness. Even the idea that there are things in the world that > is not in my consciousness is in my consciousness! This means that > there is no separation between the world an my consciousness. None. > > Your consciousness is the same. Everything you know about the world is > in your consciousness. Everything. If you and I are experiencing the > same world then our consciousness meet in the mirror of physical > matter. Maybe our consciousness is one, observing itself in the mirror > of physical matter. > did it quench the thirst? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2005 Report Share Posted April 19, 2005 Nisargadatta , " hemantbhai100 " <hemantbhai100@h...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > All I know is in my consciousness. Even all the things I don't know is > > in my consciousness. Everything of what the world is for me is in my > > consciousness. Even the idea that there are things in the world that > > is not in my consciousness is in my consciousness! This means that > > there is no separation between the world an my consciousness. None. > > > > Your consciousness is the same. Everything you know about the world is > > in your consciousness. Everything. If you and I are experiencing the > > same world then our consciousness meet in the mirror of physical > > matter. Maybe our consciousness is one, observing itself in the mirror > > of physical matter. > > > > did it quench the thirst? No, I think we need to have an awakening of a global planetary consciousness. This planet is about to be born as an individual (me speculating). Right now we humans are just separate cells not yet integrated into a global mind, and that is why we feel as being separate. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2005 Report Share Posted April 19, 2005 - anders_lindman Nisargadatta Tuesday, April 19, 2005 7:48 AM Re: The mirror of physical matter Nisargadatta , " hemantbhai100 " <hemantbhai100@h...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > All I know is in my consciousness. Even all the things I don't know is > > in my consciousness. Everything of what the world is for me is in my > > consciousness. Even the idea that there are things in the world that > > is not in my consciousness is in my consciousness! This means that > > there is no separation between the world an my consciousness. None. > > > > Your consciousness is the same. Everything you know about the world is > > in your consciousness. Everything. If you and I are experiencing the > > same world then our consciousness meet in the mirror of physical > > matter. Maybe our consciousness is one, observing itself in the mirror > > of physical matter. > > > > did it quench the thirst? No, I think we need to have an awakening of a global planetary consciousness. This planet is about to be born as an individual (me speculating). Right now we humans are just separate cells not yet integrated into a global mind, and that is why we feel as being separate. al. Hi Al, come on, surely you jest. don't you feel that current, igniting another cell, and another, and another in your very own Being as the Global Consciousness? a. ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2005 Report Share Posted April 19, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > - > anders_lindman > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, April 19, 2005 7:48 AM > Re: The mirror of physical matter > > > > Nisargadatta , " hemantbhai100 " > <hemantbhai100@h...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > All I know is in my consciousness. Even all the things I don't know is > > > in my consciousness. Everything of what the world is for me is in my > > > consciousness. Even the idea that there are things in the world that > > > is not in my consciousness is in my consciousness! This means that > > > there is no separation between the world an my consciousness. None. > > > > > > Your consciousness is the same. Everything you know about the world is > > > in your consciousness. Everything. If you and I are experiencing the > > > same world then our consciousness meet in the mirror of physical > > > matter. Maybe our consciousness is one, observing itself in the mirror > > > of physical matter. > > > > > > > did it quench the thirst? > > > No, I think we need to have an awakening of a global planetary > consciousness. This planet is about to be born as an individual (me > speculating). Right now we humans are just separate cells not yet > integrated into a global mind, and that is why we feel as being separate. > > al. > > > > Hi Al, > > come on, surely you jest. > > don't you feel that current, igniting another cell, and another, and another in your very own Being as the Global Consciousness? > > a. > My consciousness is experienced by me as being separate. True there is interconnectedness that can be felt, but I am talking (speculating) about a true awakening of a global planetary consciousness. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2005 Report Share Posted April 19, 2005 - anders_lindman Nisargadatta Tuesday, April 19, 2005 8:14 AM Re: The mirror of physical matter Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > - > anders_lindman > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, April 19, 2005 7:48 AM > Re: The mirror of physical matter > > > > Nisargadatta , " hemantbhai100 " > <hemantbhai100@h...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > All I know is in my consciousness. Even all the things I don't know is > > > in my consciousness. Everything of what the world is for me is in my > > > consciousness. Even the idea that there are things in the world that > > > is not in my consciousness is in my consciousness! This means that > > > there is no separation between the world an my consciousness. None. > > > > > > Your consciousness is the same. Everything you know about the world is > > > in your consciousness. Everything. If you and I are experiencing the > > > same world then our consciousness meet in the mirror of physical > > > matter. Maybe our consciousness is one, observing itself in the mirror > > > of physical matter. > > > > > > > did it quench the thirst? > > > No, I think we need to have an awakening of a global planetary > consciousness. This planet is about to be born as an individual (me > speculating). Right now we humans are just separate cells not yet > integrated into a global mind, and that is why we feel as being separate. > > al. > > > > Hi Al, > > come on, surely you jest. > > don't you feel that current, igniting another cell, and another, and another in your very own Being as the Global Consciousness? > > a. > My consciousness is experienced by me as being separate. True there is interconnectedness that can be felt, but I am talking (speculating) about a true awakening of a global planetary consciousness. al. " talk (speculation) is cheap " , what do you see? a. ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2005 Report Share Posted April 19, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > - > anders_lindman > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, April 19, 2005 8:14 AM > Re: The mirror of physical matter > > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > > - > > anders_lindman > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, April 19, 2005 7:48 AM > > Re: The mirror of physical matter > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " hemantbhai100 " > > <hemantbhai100@h...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > All I know is in my consciousness. Even all the things I don't > know is > > > > in my consciousness. Everything of what the world is for me is > in my > > > > consciousness. Even the idea that there are things in the > world that > > > > is not in my consciousness is in my consciousness! This means that > > > > there is no separation between the world an my consciousness. > None. > > > > > > > > Your consciousness is the same. Everything you know about the > world is > > > > in your consciousness. Everything. If you and I are > experiencing the > > > > same world then our consciousness meet in the mirror of physical > > > > matter. Maybe our consciousness is one, observing itself in > the mirror > > > > of physical matter. > > > > > > > > > > did it quench the thirst? > > > > > > No, I think we need to have an awakening of a global planetary > > consciousness. This planet is about to be born as an individual (me > > speculating). Right now we humans are just separate cells not yet > > integrated into a global mind, and that is why we feel as being > separate. > > > > al. > > > > > > > > Hi Al, > > > > come on, surely you jest. > > > > don't you feel that current, igniting another cell, and another, > and another in your very own Being as the Global Consciousness? > > > > a. > > > > > My consciousness is experienced by me as being separate. True there is > interconnectedness that can be felt, but I am talking (speculating) > about a true awakening of a global planetary consciousness. > > al. > > > > > " talk (speculation) is cheap " , what do you see? > a. > I see that evolution creates larger and larger structures. Our planet today is not really a structure, it is more like a chaos where we humans acts as separate cells. This chaos I believe is a deliberate part of a larger evolutionary plan. Out of this chaos this planet will be born as a new higher form of being through a process of metamorphosis. It takes 9 months for a human being to be born. A single cell is " born " in a much shorter time span. A planet is born in a much longer time span. Check out: http://www.calleman.com/ al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2005 Report Share Posted April 19, 2005 - anders_lindman Nisargadatta Tuesday, April 19, 2005 8:42 AM Re: The mirror of physical matter Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > - > anders_lindman > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, April 19, 2005 8:14 AM > Re: The mirror of physical matter > > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > > - > > anders_lindman > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, April 19, 2005 7:48 AM > > Re: The mirror of physical matter > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " hemantbhai100 " > > <hemantbhai100@h...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > All I know is in my consciousness. Even all the things I don't > know is > > > > in my consciousness. Everything of what the world is for me is > in my > > > > consciousness. Even the idea that there are things in the > world that > > > > is not in my consciousness is in my consciousness! This means that > > > > there is no separation between the world an my consciousness. > None. > > > > > > > > Your consciousness is the same. Everything you know about the > world is > > > > in your consciousness. Everything. If you and I are > experiencing the > > > > same world then our consciousness meet in the mirror of physical > > > > matter. Maybe our consciousness is one, observing itself in > the mirror > > > > of physical matter. > > > > > > > > > > did it quench the thirst? > > > > > > No, I think we need to have an awakening of a global planetary > > consciousness. This planet is about to be born as an individual (me > > speculating). Right now we humans are just separate cells not yet > > integrated into a global mind, and that is why we feel as being > separate. > > > > al. > > > > > > > > Hi Al, > > > > come on, surely you jest. > > > > don't you feel that current, igniting another cell, and another, > and another in your very own Being as the Global Consciousness? > > > > a. > > > > > My consciousness is experienced by me as being separate. True there is > interconnectedness that can be felt, but I am talking (speculating) > about a true awakening of a global planetary consciousness. > > al. > > > > > " talk (speculation) is cheap " , what do you see? > a. > I see that evolution creates larger and larger structures. Our planet today is not really a structure, it is more like a chaos where we humans acts as separate cells. This chaos I believe is a deliberate part of a larger evolutionary plan. Out of this chaos this planet will be born as a new higher form of being through a process of metamorphosis. It takes 9 months for a human being to be born. A single cell is " born " in a much shorter time span. A planet is born in a much longer time span. Check out: http://www.calleman.com/ al. I am familiar with this and have read some, (there are quite a few sites on the same subject.) Chaos is in the nature of Consciousness. Individually and Collectively as the evolution of Consciousness<<as the Self as World>>evolves. a. ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2005 Report Share Posted April 19, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > - > anders_lindman > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, April 19, 2005 8:42 AM > Re: The mirror of physical matter > > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > > - > > anders_lindman > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, April 19, 2005 8:14 AM > > Re: The mirror of physical matter > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > > > > - > > > anders_lindman > > > Nisargadatta > > > Tuesday, April 19, 2005 7:48 AM > > > Re: The mirror of physical matter > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " hemantbhai100 " > > > <hemantbhai100@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > All I know is in my consciousness. Even all the things I don't > > know is > > > > > in my consciousness. Everything of what the world is for me is > > in my > > > > > consciousness. Even the idea that there are things in the > > world that > > > > > is not in my consciousness is in my consciousness! This > means that > > > > > there is no separation between the world an my consciousness. > > None. > > > > > > > > > > Your consciousness is the same. Everything you know about the > > world is > > > > > in your consciousness. Everything. If you and I are > > experiencing the > > > > > same world then our consciousness meet in the mirror of > physical > > > > > matter. Maybe our consciousness is one, observing itself in > > the mirror > > > > > of physical matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > did it quench the thirst? > > > > > > > > > No, I think we need to have an awakening of a global planetary > > > consciousness. This planet is about to be born as an > individual (me > > > speculating). Right now we humans are just separate cells not yet > > > integrated into a global mind, and that is why we feel as being > > separate. > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Al, > > > > > > come on, surely you jest. > > > > > > don't you feel that current, igniting another cell, and another, > > and another in your very own Being as the Global Consciousness? > > > > > > a. > > > > > > > > > My consciousness is experienced by me as being separate. True there is > > interconnectedness that can be felt, but I am talking (speculating) > > about a true awakening of a global planetary consciousness. > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > " talk (speculation) is cheap " , what do you see? > > a. > > > > > I see that evolution creates larger and larger structures. Our planet > today is not really a structure, it is more like a chaos where we > humans acts as separate cells. This chaos I believe is a deliberate > part of a larger evolutionary plan. Out of this chaos this planet will > be born as a new higher form of being through a process of > metamorphosis. It takes 9 months for a human being to be born. A > single cell is " born " in a much shorter time span. A planet is born in > a much longer time span. > > Check out: http://www.calleman.com/ > > al. > > > > > I am familiar with this and have read some, (there are quite a few sites on the same subject.) > Chaos is in the nature of Consciousness. Individually and Collectively as the evolution of Consciousness<<as the Self as World>>evolves. > > a. > I think one has to be very sceptical about all spiritual information. However, hard scientific information is very narrow and constricted. So I like to check out fluffy new agie stuff as well as scientific discoveries. And one important fact I have been reflecting over lately is the inability of science to recognize the no-object side of existence. For example, what separates space from matter? Is there really a separation? al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2005 Report Share Posted April 19, 2005 - anders_lindman Nisargadatta Tuesday, April 19, 2005 9:19 AM Re: The mirror of physical matter Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > - > anders_lindman > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, April 19, 2005 8:42 AM > Re: The mirror of physical matter > > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > > - > > anders_lindman > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, April 19, 2005 8:14 AM > > Re: The mirror of physical matter > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > > > > - > > > anders_lindman > > > Nisargadatta > > > Tuesday, April 19, 2005 7:48 AM > > > Re: The mirror of physical matter > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " hemantbhai100 " > > > <hemantbhai100@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > All I know is in my consciousness. Even all the things I don't > > know is > > > > > in my consciousness. Everything of what the world is for me is > > in my > > > > > consciousness. Even the idea that there are things in the > > world that > > > > > is not in my consciousness is in my consciousness! This > means that > > > > > there is no separation between the world an my consciousness. > > None. > > > > > > > > > > Your consciousness is the same. Everything you know about the > > world is > > > > > in your consciousness. Everything. If you and I are > > experiencing the > > > > > same world then our consciousness meet in the mirror of > physical > > > > > matter. Maybe our consciousness is one, observing itself in > > the mirror > > > > > of physical matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > did it quench the thirst? > > > > > > > > > No, I think we need to have an awakening of a global planetary > > > consciousness. This planet is about to be born as an > individual (me > > > speculating). Right now we humans are just separate cells not yet > > > integrated into a global mind, and that is why we feel as being > > separate. > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Al, > > > > > > come on, surely you jest. > > > > > > don't you feel that current, igniting another cell, and another, > > and another in your very own Being as the Global Consciousness? > > > > > > a. > > > > > > > > > My consciousness is experienced by me as being separate. True there is > > interconnectedness that can be felt, but I am talking (speculating) > > about a true awakening of a global planetary consciousness. > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > " talk (speculation) is cheap " , what do you see? > > a. > > > > > I see that evolution creates larger and larger structures. Our planet > today is not really a structure, it is more like a chaos where we > humans acts as separate cells. This chaos I believe is a deliberate > part of a larger evolutionary plan. Out of this chaos this planet will > be born as a new higher form of being through a process of > metamorphosis. It takes 9 months for a human being to be born. A > single cell is " born " in a much shorter time span. A planet is born in > a much longer time span. > > Check out: http://www.calleman.com/ > > al. > > > > > I am familiar with this and have read some, (there are quite a few sites on the same subject.) > Chaos is in the nature of Consciousness. Individually and Collectively as the evolution of Consciousness<<as the Self as World>>evolves. > > a. > I think one has to be very sceptical about all spiritual information. However, hard scientific information is very narrow and constricted. So I like to check out fluffy new agie stuff as well as scientific discoveries. And one important fact I have been reflecting over lately is the inability of science to recognize the no-object side of existence. For example, what separates space from matter? Is there really a separation? al. (anna chuckles here) That's why one must also be an 'artist'. space defines matter. and matter defines space. (take any 'object'--the object is 'seen' by the space an object takes/rests in AND the space surrounding the object--giving its definition in form) i'll let you put this content into context.... ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2005 Report Share Posted April 19, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > - > anders_lindman > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, April 19, 2005 9:19 AM > Re: The mirror of physical matter > > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > > - > > anders_lindman > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, April 19, 2005 8:42 AM > > Re: The mirror of physical matter > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > > > > - > > > anders_lindman > > > Nisargadatta > > > Tuesday, April 19, 2005 8:14 AM > > > Re: The mirror of physical matter > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > - > > > > anders_lindman > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Tuesday, April 19, 2005 7:48 AM > > > > Re: The mirror of physical matter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " hemantbhai100 " > > > > <hemantbhai100@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > All I know is in my consciousness. Even all the things > I don't > > > know is > > > > > > in my consciousness. Everything of what the world is > for me is > > > in my > > > > > > consciousness. Even the idea that there are things in the > > > world that > > > > > > is not in my consciousness is in my consciousness! This > > means that > > > > > > there is no separation between the world an my > consciousness. > > > None. > > > > > > > > > > > > Your consciousness is the same. Everything you know > about the > > > world is > > > > > > in your consciousness. Everything. If you and I are > > > experiencing the > > > > > > same world then our consciousness meet in the mirror of > > physical > > > > > > matter. Maybe our consciousness is one, observing > itself in > > > the mirror > > > > > > of physical matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did it quench the thirst? > > > > > > > > > > > > No, I think we need to have an awakening of a global planetary > > > > consciousness. This planet is about to be born as an > > individual (me > > > > speculating). Right now we humans are just separate cells > not yet > > > > integrated into a global mind, and that is why we feel as > being > > > separate. > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Al, > > > > > > > > come on, surely you jest. > > > > > > > > don't you feel that current, igniting another cell, and > another, > > > and another in your very own Being as the Global Consciousness? > > > > > > > > a. > > > > > > > > > > > > > My consciousness is experienced by me as being separate. True > there is > > > interconnectedness that can be felt, but I am talking > (speculating) > > > about a true awakening of a global planetary consciousness. > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " talk (speculation) is cheap " , what do you see? > > > a. > > > > > > > > > I see that evolution creates larger and larger structures. Our planet > > today is not really a structure, it is more like a chaos where we > > humans acts as separate cells. This chaos I believe is a deliberate > > part of a larger evolutionary plan. Out of this chaos this planet will > > be born as a new higher form of being through a process of > > metamorphosis. It takes 9 months for a human being to be born. A > > single cell is " born " in a much shorter time span. A planet is born in > > a much longer time span. > > > > Check out: http://www.calleman.com/ > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > I am familiar with this and have read some, (there are quite a few > sites on the same subject.) > > Chaos is in the nature of Consciousness. Individually and > Collectively as the evolution of Consciousness<<as the Self as > World>>evolves. > > > > a. > > > > > I think one has to be very sceptical about all spiritual information. > However, hard scientific information is very narrow and constricted. > So I like to check out fluffy new agie stuff as well as scientific > discoveries. > > And one important fact I have been reflecting over lately is the > inability of science to recognize the no-object side of existence. For > example, what separates space from matter? Is there really a separation? > > al. > > > (anna chuckles here) > > That's why one must also be an 'artist'. > > space defines matter. and matter defines space. > > (take any 'object'--the object is 'seen' by the space an object takes/rests in AND the space surrounding the object--giving its definition in form) > > i'll let you put this content into context.... > We can see that physical objects and space are different in nature, hence there is a form of separation. Yet, if space is separate from matter, then there must be a relation binding space with matter. And such relation cannot be a separate thing because then we need another relation to bind the first relation with space, for example. And then a third relation to bind the second relation,... ad infinitum. Thus we can begin to recognize that all forms of separation must have a root in some kind of no-separation. And that no-separation cannot be space since space and matter appear as separate (where does matter end and space begin?). al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2005 Report Share Posted April 19, 2005 - anders_lindman Nisargadatta Tuesday, April 19, 2005 9:47 AM Re: The mirror of physical matter Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > - > anders_lindman > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, April 19, 2005 9:19 AM > Re: The mirror of physical matter > > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > > - > > anders_lindman > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, April 19, 2005 8:42 AM > > Re: The mirror of physical matter > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > > > > - > > > anders_lindman > > > Nisargadatta > > > Tuesday, April 19, 2005 8:14 AM > > > Re: The mirror of physical matter > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > - > > > > anders_lindman > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Tuesday, April 19, 2005 7:48 AM > > > > Re: The mirror of physical matter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " hemantbhai100 " > > > > <hemantbhai100@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > All I know is in my consciousness. Even all the things > I don't > > > know is > > > > > > in my consciousness. Everything of what the world is > for me is > > > in my > > > > > > consciousness. Even the idea that there are things in the > > > world that > > > > > > is not in my consciousness is in my consciousness! This > > means that > > > > > > there is no separation between the world an my > consciousness. > > > None. > > > > > > > > > > > > Your consciousness is the same. Everything you know > about the > > > world is > > > > > > in your consciousness. Everything. If you and I are > > > experiencing the > > > > > > same world then our consciousness meet in the mirror of > > physical > > > > > > matter. Maybe our consciousness is one, observing > itself in > > > the mirror > > > > > > of physical matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did it quench the thirst? > > > > > > > > > > > > No, I think we need to have an awakening of a global planetary > > > > consciousness. This planet is about to be born as an > > individual (me > > > > speculating). Right now we humans are just separate cells > not yet > > > > integrated into a global mind, and that is why we feel as > being > > > separate. > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Al, > > > > > > > > come on, surely you jest. > > > > > > > > don't you feel that current, igniting another cell, and > another, > > > and another in your very own Being as the Global Consciousness? > > > > > > > > a. > > > > > > > > > > > > > My consciousness is experienced by me as being separate. True > there is > > > interconnectedness that can be felt, but I am talking > (speculating) > > > about a true awakening of a global planetary consciousness. > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " talk (speculation) is cheap " , what do you see? > > > a. > > > > > > > > > I see that evolution creates larger and larger structures. Our planet > > today is not really a structure, it is more like a chaos where we > > humans acts as separate cells. This chaos I believe is a deliberate > > part of a larger evolutionary plan. Out of this chaos this planet will > > be born as a new higher form of being through a process of > > metamorphosis. It takes 9 months for a human being to be born. A > > single cell is " born " in a much shorter time span. A planet is born in > > a much longer time span. > > > > Check out: http://www.calleman.com/ > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > I am familiar with this and have read some, (there are quite a few > sites on the same subject.) > > Chaos is in the nature of Consciousness. Individually and > Collectively as the evolution of Consciousness<<as the Self as > World>>evolves. > > > > a. > > > > > I think one has to be very sceptical about all spiritual information. > However, hard scientific information is very narrow and constricted. > So I like to check out fluffy new agie stuff as well as scientific > discoveries. > > And one important fact I have been reflecting over lately is the > inability of science to recognize the no-object side of existence. For > example, what separates space from matter? Is there really a separation? > > al. > > > (anna chuckles here) > > That's why one must also be an 'artist'. > > space defines matter. and matter defines space. > > (take any 'object'--the object is 'seen' by the space an object takes/rests in AND the space surrounding the object--giving its definition in form) > > i'll let you put this content into context.... > We can see that physical objects and space are different in nature, hence there is a form of separation. Yet, if space is separate from matter, then there must be a relation binding space with matter. And such relation cannot be a separate thing because then we need another relation to bind the first relation with space, for example. And then a third relation to bind the second relation,... ad infinitum. Thus we can begin to recognize that all forms of separation must have a root in some kind of no-separation. And that no-separation cannot be space since space and matter appear as separate (where does matter end and space begin?). al. I would answer Now as to the where. but since time is illusory (there is only ever Now, the present) I would call the no-separation Being. (the ever-present object/subject, matter/space, continuum. a. ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2005 Report Share Posted April 19, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > .... > > > I would answer Now as to the where. > > but since time is illusory (there is only ever Now, the present) > > I would call the no-separation Being. (the ever-present object/subject, > matter/space, continuum. > a. > For me it has been an important discovery that this Being cannot be described using logic. I hope that realization can make my thinking to relax a bit. It matters not for how long or how far rational thinking spins away, it will always be hopelessly inadequate for explaining Being (which the thinking itself is an aspect of b t w). al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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