Guest guest Posted April 4, 2005 Report Share Posted April 4, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " garyfalk1943 " <falkgw@h...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " garyfalk1943 " <falkgw@h...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " sam_t_7 " <sam_t_7> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 4/3/05 12:37:39 PM, sam_t_7 writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seeker: > > > > > > > > If both dream and escape from dream are imaginings, what > > is > > > > > the > > > > > > way > > > > > > > > out? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maharaj Nis: > > > > > > > > There is no need of a way out! Don't you see that a way > > out > > > > is > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > part of the dream? All you have to do is to see the dream > > as > > > > > > dream. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seeker: > > > > > > > > If I start the practice of dismissing everything as a > > dream, > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > will it lead me? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maharaj Nis: > > > > > > > > Wherever it leads you, it will be a dream. The very idea > > of > > > > > going > > > > > > > > beyond the dream is illusory. Why go anywhere? Just > > realize > > > > > that > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > are dreaming a dream you call the world, and stop looking > > > > for > > > > > > ways > > > > > > > > out. The dream is not your problem. Your problem is that > > you > > > > > like > > > > > > > > one part of the dream and not another. When you have seen > > > > the > > > > > > dream > > > > > > > > as a dream, you have done all that needs be done. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -from " I am That " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: Even Maharaj wasn't above using bullshit as a > > > > > > teaching tool. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sam: The cheapest trick in spirituality is to dismiss the > > > > > unpleasant > > > > > > and the troublesome usage of bullshit as a teaching tool. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P:If you call everything a dream, what meaning could > > the > > > > > word > > > > > > dream have? > > > > > > > > > > > > Sam: That's what everybody is searching for isn't it? Or > > trying > > > > > to > > > > > > explain. The meaning of the dream. The meaning of meaning. > > > > The > > > > > > more appropriate question may be to ask yourself, What > > happens > > > > > when > > > > > > you have seen the dream as a dream and therein have done all > > > > that > > > > > > needs to be done? (using nisargadattas terminology of *need* > > > > and > > > > > > *done*) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wei Wu Wei tells us that there is nothing outside of the dream. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru>> > > > > > > > > How would he know? He's part of the dream himself. > > > > > > > > toombozo>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gary, > > > > > > > > > I know that....for an identified entity......what WWW says is a > > very uncomfortable thought. > > > > > > > > > If you find it disturbing.....try to let it soak in for a > > while........It can become almost unbearable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru>> > > > > Now even YOU are beginning to sound like a whiny little piglet. > > > > Why rely on WWW's understanding? Why don't you go get......... > > > > ...........your own? > > > > toombozo>> > > > Get my own understanding....... > > My very own personal understanding > > Take my little self out and get it some of its very own understanding. > > > > Hummmmmmmm > > > > Your naivete is showing...:=0 > > > > > toombaru>> So then.....it is understood.......that you will take WWW's understanding as your very own............................ ......but then.....was not.....WWW's understanding HIS very own............personal understanding?................. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm, little piglet, " my " " naivete " may be showing.....but so......is your......own......muddled and addled brain............:=O toombozo>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2005 Report Share Posted April 4, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombozo2005 " <toombozo2005> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " garyfalk1943 " <falkgw@h...> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " garyfalk1943 " > <falkgw@h...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " > <cptc@w...> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " sam_t_7 " > <sam_t_7> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 4/3/05 12:37:39 PM, sam_t_7 > writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seeker: > > > > > > > > > If both dream and escape from dream are imaginings, > what > > > is > > > > > > the > > > > > > > way > > > > > > > > > out? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maharaj Nis: > > > > > > > > > There is no need of a way out! Don't you see that a > way > > > out > > > > > is > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > part of the dream? All you have to do is to see the > dream > > > as > > > > > > > dream. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seeker: > > > > > > > > > If I start the practice of dismissing everything as a > > > dream, > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > will it lead me? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maharaj Nis: > > > > > > > > > Wherever it leads you, it will be a dream. The very > idea > > > of > > > > > > going > > > > > > > > > beyond the dream is illusory. Why go anywhere? Just > > > realize > > > > > > that > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > are dreaming a dream you call the world, and stop > looking > > > > > for > > > > > > > ways > > > > > > > > > out. The dream is not your problem. Your problem is > that > > > you > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > one part of the dream and not another. When you have > seen > > > > > the > > > > > > > dream > > > > > > > > > as a dream, you have done all that needs be done. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -from " I am That " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: Even Maharaj wasn't above using bullshit as > a > > > > > > > teaching tool. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sam: The cheapest trick in spirituality is to dismiss > the > > > > > > unpleasant > > > > > > > and the troublesome usage of bullshit as a teaching tool. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P:If you call everything a dream, what meaning > could > > > the > > > > > > word > > > > > > > dream have? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sam: That's what everybody is searching for isn't it? Or > > > trying > > > > > > to > > > > > > > explain. The meaning of the dream. The meaning of > meaning. > > > > > The > > > > > > > more appropriate question may be to ask yourself, What > > > happens > > > > > > when > > > > > > > you have seen the dream as a dream and therein have done > all > > > > > that > > > > > > > needs to be done? (using nisargadattas terminology of > *need* > > > > > and > > > > > > > *done*) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wei Wu Wei tells us that there is nothing outside of the > dream. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru>> > > > > > > > > > > How would he know? He's part of the dream himself. > > > > > > > > > > toombozo>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gary, > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that....for an identified entity......what WWW says is a > > > very uncomfortable thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you find it disturbing.....try to let it soak in for a > > > while........It can become almost unbearable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru>> > > > > > > Now even YOU are beginning to sound like a whiny little piglet. > > > > > > Why rely on WWW's understanding? Why don't you go get......... > > > > > > ...........your own? > > > > > > toombozo>> > > > > > > Get my own understanding....... > > > > My very own personal understanding > > > > Take my little self out and get it some of its very own > understanding. > > > > > > > > Hummmmmmmm > > > > > > > > Your naivete is showing...:=0 > > > > > > > > > > toombaru>> > > So then.....it is understood.......that you will take WWW's > understanding as your very own............................ > .....but then.....was not.....WWW's understanding HIS very > own............personal understanding?................. > > Hmmmmmmmmmmmm, little piglet, " my " " naivete " may be showing.....but > so......is your......own......muddled and addled brain............:=O > > > > toombozo>> Gary, I'm staring to see your problem. You are relating to the dilemma from the assumption that Wei Wu Wei and toombaru are automomous entities...... This erroneous assumption....along with the belief in a personal autonomy named " Gary " .....can be very confusing indeed...... (There never was a Wei Wu Wei.........its a pseudonym. " toombaru " is not real.....I made him up.) I'm afraid that you are locked in that hall of mirrors that is the mother and children of the dream of separation. There is no way out. You will die there. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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