Anders The Only Immortality

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Nisargadatta , Insight <insight@s...> wrote:

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> > G: That's a good question. What method or practice of inquiry does

> > everyone use to come to their conclusions? How does it 'happen' for

> > everyone on the board. How does everyone arrive at their ideas and

> > conclusions. I'm just curious too.

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> ?AL:I came up with the idea of infinite intelligence by

extrapolating what

> J. Krishnamurti called the awakening of intelligence. Eckhart Tolle

> also talks about awakening of intelligence, a form of intelligence

> that operates both from within a person and also at the same time

> operates in the world, and that both the inner and the outer

> intelligence are the same intelligence in action. If that is true,

> then it must indeed be a great intelligence that can hold all

> particles in the universe with such precision and simultaneously

> operate within a person as the same intelligence. That is for me

> mind-boggling, so incredible that I call this intelligence infinite

> intelligence. But all I have as a ground for this idea is words from

> sages, and the fact that the intelligence that holds all particles in

> synch creating for example a bird is impressive.

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> ==Joyce: I rather think it's your own infinite intelligence

> recognizing itself. This is mirrored in the words of sages

> and we recognize the truth indirectly by inference. Just ordinary

> mind freed from conditioning. A type of knowing, original wakefulness,

> not tied up with seeing the present in terms of subject and object,

> me and mine.

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> So, one could observe how the knowing is. Is it tied up with

> subect and object momentarily, or is there no holding on to

> subject and object in the moment. Sometimes yes, sometimes

> no. Knowing isn't a function of ego, its a natural quality of mind

> in the same way that water is wet. " Ego " can also mean " owner " but

> intelligence functions without the need to own anything. When

> there is nothing in this universe but intelligence, what is

> there you don't already own?

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> If one followed the instructions to OBSERVE, one might see

> that when one actually looks for this " me " or " I " what we find

> is mind. And its this knowing quality we mis-label " me " .

> When the knowing quality is misconstrued it becomes " me " .

> When it is understood as just being what it is, then it is

> called intelligence, a pervasive, spacious, lively quality

> ever present and our cognizant nature is indivisible from

> the basic dimension of spaciousness. Can ANYTHING exist apart

> from your knowing of it?

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> When we learn of the story of the illusion of the rope and snake,

> or hear that the world is like a dream, it means that it seemingly

> exists without actually existing; it is mere appearance. There is

> somebody with a name doing his thing, but at the same time it is

> possible that there is no entity whatsoever. Yet at the same time he

> is here. Very magical! Without truly existing, things still seem to

> exist in this magical way. The reason for this is because of the

> empty essence of mind and its cognizant, intelligent nature.

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> The yardstick for samsara is that everything is measured from

> me-here-now. Not a me of the past or future but the moment to

> moment feeling that I am. Everything is measured from that -above

> me, below me, to the left and right of me. But if we look into that

> present, what is it? Do we find anything? Can one observe directly

> the awareness, the knowing quality of mind?

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> But you can gather everything, whatever it is, from all directions,

> into the present moment, then drop the present and see what happens.

> What do you observe when you drop everything? If you follow

> one thought, such as " Who am I " ? from its beginning through to

> it's end, where does it come from and where does it go?

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> Namaste,

>

> Joyce

>

 

I can see myself as perceptions of the physical world, the mental

world, and as awareness of both the mental and the physical world. To

drop the physical world one would need some weird mind-altering

chemicals or hypnosis or so. To drop the mental world is perhaps the

silence talked about in spiritual traditions. To drow awareness, well

that would be deep sleep or being unconscious or so.

 

With practice one can get closer to awareness. There is for example a

difference between thinking about something and thinking about

something while knowing one is thinking about that something. When one

is aware of thinking " Who am I? " , then one sees this thought as a form

and not as being oneself, but rather only being a small part of

oneself. The thought " Who am I? " then is recognized as just another

thought fundamentally not different from other thoughts such as

" What's on TV this evening? " . The common ground in which both of those

thoughts appear we can call awareness.

 

/AL