Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 <<> > But as soon as I begin to say, " Well, what can I do to rewire the > > brain so that I can become...... " , I quickly come smack up against > > the Advaita concept that I am not the doer, and therefore have no say > > in the matter. > > > > A little confusing, even after all these years! > > You are the doer. Who else is there? > > /AL >> You, Pete and Judy? Or are you saying that you, Pete, and Judy are just ideas in my mind, along with everything else and so therefore only I am? Conceptually, that DOES make sense. However, about 20 years ago, Ramesh managed to convince me that I was NOT the doer, although that conviction has long since faded away. While I still don't have the sense that I am the doer, it's not real clear at all that anybody ELSE is the doer either. Can " doing " just happen, without there having to be a DO-ER? Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 Nisargadatta , " garyfalk1943 " <falkgw@h...> wrote: > > <<> > But as soon as I begin to say, " Well, what can I do to rewire > the > > > brain so that I can become...... " , I quickly come smack up > against > > > the Advaita concept that I am not the doer, and therefore have no > say > > > in the matter. > > > > > > A little confusing, even after all these years! > > > > You are the doer. Who else is there? > > > > /AL >> > > You, Pete and Judy? Or are you saying that you, Pete, and Judy are > just ideas in my mind, along with everything else and so therefore > only I am? > > Conceptually, that DOES make sense. However, about 20 years ago, > Ramesh managed to convince me that I was NOT the doer, although that > conviction has long since faded away. > > While I still don't have the sense that I am the doer, it's not real > clear at all that anybody ELSE is the doer either. Can " doing " just > happen, without there having to be a DO-ER? > > Thanks! If doing just happens, where, what, are you then? Are you a non-doer amongst doing happening? If everything is doing, and frankly all I can see is doing happening all over the world, are you _excluded_ from this doing? Where does the doing part of you end and the not doing part begin? /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 Gary wrote [[You are the doer. Who else is there? ]] AL replied [[if doing just happens, where, what, are you then? Are you a non-doer amongst doing happening?]] ** " .. though I am the author thereof know Me as non-doer & immutable. Actions do not taint Me, nor have I a desire for the fruit of actions. He who knows Me thus is not bound by actions. Having known this the ancient seekers after freedom also performed action; therefore do thou also perform action, as did the ancients in days of yore. What is action? What is inaction? As to this even the wise are confused. Therefore I shall teach thee such action - the nature of action & inaction - by knowing which thou shalt be liberated from samsara. [snip] He who seeth inaction in action & action in inaction, he is wise among men; he is a Yogi & performer of all actions. He whose undertakings are all devoid of desires & selfish purposes & whose actions have been burnt by the fire of knowledge - him the wise call a sage. Having abadoned attachment to the fruits of the action, ever content, depending on nothing, he does not do anything though engaged in activity. [snip] Content w/what comes to him w/o effort, free from the pairs of opposites & envy, even-minded in success & failure, though acting, he is not bound. To one who is devoid of attachment, who is liberated whose mind is established in knowledge, who works for the sake of sacrifice - for the sake of God - the whole action is dissolved. " - Bhagavad Gita 4:13-23 om peace!.. rudrani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 Nisargadatta , " rudrani " <rudra_yogini> wrote: > > > Gary wrote [[You are the doer. Who else is there? ]] > > AL replied [[if doing just happens, where, what, are you then? Are > you a non-doer amongst doing happening?]] > ** " .. though I am the author thereof know Me as non-doer & > immutable. Actions do not taint Me, nor have I a desire for the > fruit of actions. He who knows Me thus is not bound by actions. > Having known this the ancient seekers after freedom also performed > action; therefore do thou also perform action, as did the ancients > in days of yore. What is action? What is inaction? As to this even > the wise are confused. Therefore I shall teach thee such action - > the nature of action & inaction - by knowing which thou shalt be > liberated from samsara. [snip] He who seeth inaction in action & > action in inaction, he is wise among men; he is a Yogi & performer > of all actions. He whose undertakings are all devoid of desires & > selfish purposes & whose actions have been burnt by the fire of > knowledge - him the wise call a sage. Having abadoned attachment to > the fruits of the action, ever content, depending on nothing, he > does not do anything though engaged in activity. [snip] Content > w/what comes to him w/o effort, free from the pairs of opposites & > envy, even-minded in success & failure, though acting, he is not > bound. To one who is devoid of attachment, who is liberated whose > mind is established in knowledge, who works for the sake of > sacrifice - for the sake of God - the whole action is dissolved. " - > Bhagavad Gita 4:13-23 > > om peace!.. > rudrani Lovely text! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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