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<<> > But as soon as I begin to say, " Well, what can I do to rewire

the

> > brain so that I can become...... " , I quickly come smack up

against

> > the Advaita concept that I am not the doer, and therefore have no

say

> > in the matter.

> >

> > A little confusing, even after all these years!

>

> You are the doer. Who else is there? :)

>

> /AL >>

 

You, Pete and Judy? Or are you saying that you, Pete, and Judy are

just ideas in my mind, along with everything else and so therefore

only I am?

 

Conceptually, that DOES make sense. However, about 20 years ago,

Ramesh managed to convince me that I was NOT the doer, although that

conviction has long since faded away.

 

While I still don't have the sense that I am the doer, it's not real

clear at all that anybody ELSE is the doer either. Can " doing " just

happen, without there having to be a DO-ER?

 

Thanks!

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Nisargadatta , " garyfalk1943 " <falkgw@h...> wrote:

>

> <<> > But as soon as I begin to say, " Well, what can I do to rewire

> the

> > > brain so that I can become...... " , I quickly come smack up

> against

> > > the Advaita concept that I am not the doer, and therefore have no

> say

> > > in the matter.

> > >

> > > A little confusing, even after all these years!

> >

> > You are the doer. Who else is there? :)

> >

> > /AL >>

>

> You, Pete and Judy? Or are you saying that you, Pete, and Judy are

> just ideas in my mind, along with everything else and so therefore

> only I am?

>

> Conceptually, that DOES make sense. However, about 20 years ago,

> Ramesh managed to convince me that I was NOT the doer, although that

> conviction has long since faded away.

>

> While I still don't have the sense that I am the doer, it's not real

> clear at all that anybody ELSE is the doer either. Can " doing " just

> happen, without there having to be a DO-ER?

>

> Thanks!

 

If doing just happens, where, what, are you then? Are you a non-doer

amongst doing happening? If everything is doing, and frankly all I can

see is doing happening all over the world, are you _excluded_ from

this doing? Where does the doing part of you end and the not doing

part begin?

 

/AL

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Gary wrote [[You are the doer. Who else is there? :) ]]

 

AL replied [[if doing just happens, where, what, are you then? Are

you a non-doer amongst doing happening?]]

** " .. though I am the author thereof know Me as non-doer &

immutable. Actions do not taint Me, nor have I a desire for the

fruit of actions. He who knows Me thus is not bound by actions.

Having known this the ancient seekers after freedom also performed

action; therefore do thou also perform action, as did the ancients

in days of yore. What is action? What is inaction? As to this even

the wise are confused. Therefore I shall teach thee such action -

the nature of action & inaction - by knowing which thou shalt be

liberated from samsara. [snip] He who seeth inaction in action &

action in inaction, he is wise among men; he is a Yogi & performer

of all actions. He whose undertakings are all devoid of desires &

selfish purposes & whose actions have been burnt by the fire of

knowledge - him the wise call a sage. Having abadoned attachment to

the fruits of the action, ever content, depending on nothing, he

does not do anything though engaged in activity. [snip] Content

w/what comes to him w/o effort, free from the pairs of opposites &

envy, even-minded in success & failure, though acting, he is not

bound. To one who is devoid of attachment, who is liberated whose

mind is established in knowledge, who works for the sake of

sacrifice - for the sake of God - the whole action is dissolved. " -

Bhagavad Gita 4:13-23

 

om peace!..

rudrani

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Nisargadatta , " rudrani " <rudra_yogini> wrote:

>

>

> Gary wrote [[You are the doer. Who else is there? :) ]]

>

> AL replied [[if doing just happens, where, what, are you then? Are

> you a non-doer amongst doing happening?]]

> ** " .. though I am the author thereof know Me as non-doer &

> immutable. Actions do not taint Me, nor have I a desire for the

> fruit of actions. He who knows Me thus is not bound by actions.

> Having known this the ancient seekers after freedom also performed

> action; therefore do thou also perform action, as did the ancients

> in days of yore. What is action? What is inaction? As to this even

> the wise are confused. Therefore I shall teach thee such action -

> the nature of action & inaction - by knowing which thou shalt be

> liberated from samsara. [snip] He who seeth inaction in action &

> action in inaction, he is wise among men; he is a Yogi & performer

> of all actions. He whose undertakings are all devoid of desires &

> selfish purposes & whose actions have been burnt by the fire of

> knowledge - him the wise call a sage. Having abadoned attachment to

> the fruits of the action, ever content, depending on nothing, he

> does not do anything though engaged in activity. [snip] Content

> w/what comes to him w/o effort, free from the pairs of opposites &

> envy, even-minded in success & failure, though acting, he is not

> bound. To one who is devoid of attachment, who is liberated whose

> mind is established in knowledge, who works for the sake of

> sacrifice - for the sake of God - the whole action is dissolved. " -

> Bhagavad Gita 4:13-23

>

> om peace!..

> rudrani

 

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