Guest guest Posted February 16, 2005 Report Share Posted February 16, 2005 Anders wrote: My view of deep sleep is that we can actually never know if we ever have been in deep sleep. What we call deep sleep is a memory experienced now, or we could call it a gap in linear memory experience now. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% % Hi Anders, I'm new to the group though some will know me from elsewhere. The knowledge that we have been in a state of deep sleep is regarded as very important in Vedanta but on what is this knowledge based? Can it really be a memory for by definition we have to be conscious to have experiences which we later recall in the form of memories. What we didn't experience we can't remember. The other odd thing about our 'knowledge' that we have been in a state of deep sleep is that no matter how long we have been in that state according to the EEG machine it is only a point instant in consciousness because it has no features to give it duration. Stranger and stranger there is no ego, mind or witness (saksin) in deep sleep. Truly it is some sort of blank, nescient, dark samadhi. Best Wishes, Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Nisargadatta , ombhurbhuva <ombhurbhuva@e...> wrote: > Anders wrote: > My view of deep sleep is that we can > actually never know if we ever > have been in deep sleep. What we call deep > sleep is a memory > experienced now, or we could call it a gap > in linear memory experience > now. > > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% > % > > Hi Anders, > I'm new to the group though some > will know me from elsewhere. The > knowledge that we have been in a state of > deep sleep is regarded as very important > in Vedanta but on what is this knowledge > based? Can it really be a memory for by > definition we have to be conscious to have > experiences which we later recall in the > form of memories. What we didn't > experience we can't remember. > > The other odd thing about our 'knowledge' > that we have been in a state of deep sleep > is that no matter how long we have been in > that state according to the EEG machine it > is only a point instant in consciousness > because it has no features to give it > duration. > > Stranger and stranger there is no ego, > mind or witness (saksin) in deep sleep. > Truly it is some sort of blank, nescient, > dark samadhi. > > Best Wishes, Michael Hi Michael, What I was pointing to is that all we know is what we know now. Memories about having been asleep (or a gap in memory) is necessarily not the same as if we actually have experienced it. This means that we maybe have not experience _anything_ in an actual past, but instead what we experience as the past is only a quantum field experienced now. This idea is very difficult to wrap one's mind around because the mind thinks: " of course I have done this and that in the past.....I can feel that the Big Mac and Co I ate half an hour ago is still in my stomach, and I even have a stain of dressing left on my shirt.......and now you are telling me that I have not eaten that hamburger meal??? " What I am saying is: perhaps we have never eaten any meal, never been asleep, never been younger than we are now... All we know, _all_ we know is what we know now, and _only_ now. With this view there never has been any EEG recording done. Never, ever! " No one has ever bought any shoes. " -- Tony Parsons /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , ombhurbhuva <ombhurbhuva@e...> wrote: > > Anders wrote: > > My view of deep sleep is that we can > > actually never know if we ever > > have been in deep sleep. What we call deep > > sleep is a memory > > experienced now, or we could call it a gap > > in linear memory experience > > now. > > > > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% > > % > > > > Hi Anders, > > I'm new to the group though some > > will know me from elsewhere. The > > knowledge that we have been in a state of > > deep sleep is regarded as very important > > in Vedanta but on what is this knowledge > > based? Can it really be a memory for by > > definition we have to be conscious to have > > experiences which we later recall in the > > form of memories. What we didn't > > experience we can't remember. > > > > The other odd thing about our 'knowledge' > > that we have been in a state of deep sleep > > is that no matter how long we have been in > > that state according to the EEG machine it > > is only a point instant in consciousness > > because it has no features to give it > > duration. > > > > Stranger and stranger there is no ego, > > mind or witness (saksin) in deep sleep. > > Truly it is some sort of blank, nescient, > > dark samadhi. > > > > Best Wishes, Michael > > Hi Michael, > > What I was pointing to is that all we know is what we know now. > Memories about having been asleep (or a gap in memory) is necessarily > not the same as if we actually have experienced it. This means that we > maybe have not experience _anything_ in an actual past, but instead > what we experience as the past is only a quantum field experienced now. > > This idea is very difficult to wrap one's mind around because the mind > thinks: " of course I have done this and that in the past.....I can > feel that the Big Mac and Co I ate half an hour ago is still in my > stomach, and I even have a stain of dressing left on my > shirt.......and now you are telling me that I have not eaten that > hamburger meal??? " > > What I am saying is: perhaps we have never eaten any meal, never been > asleep, never been younger than we are now... All we know, _all_ we > know is what we know now, and _only_ now. With this view there never > has been any EEG recording done. Never, ever! > > " No one has ever bought any shoes. " -- Tony Parsons > > /AL PS. To really understand the possibility of what I am pointing to, it must, along the line with this investigation, also be pointed out that there never has been any Tony Parsons either. Tony Parsons is a person now and only now. The " past " Tony Parsons is a quantum information structure that gives a cohersive appearance of a seamless past, reaching back to the Big Bang, which is not a " real " past at all, but a timeless quantum " now " . This " now " contains the entire history record from the " beginning " of the universe up to present day. This " now " happens now. Even the past happens now, is " created " now. What appear like 16 billion years is " created " in " zero " seconds. " Infinite time compression " This timeless now is a web of information that makes up what is. Information in itself does not contain time. If you have an MP3 file on your computer with 3 minutes of music, that MP3 file does not contain time, but the information in the file is structured in a way that gives the appearance of time, and even when the file is played and sound is coming out of the loudspeakers there is no 3 minutes of music. The sound is now and only now. /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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